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Emusan:
Where was it stated that Jesus is the Angel of Jehovah.

But it was stated clearly that Gabriel is the Angel of Jehovah.

So are you saying Jesus is now Gabriel?

Matthew 26:53, Does Jehovah have only one angel?

Genesis 16:7 Amplified Bible , write to your fellow Triune deity translators & don't forget to send your inquiry to publishers of Geneva Bible.
You don't trust the Bible well enough,
Your fellow Triune deities devotees will convince you shepaly.

Emusan:
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Just as your hatred for the king of Glory, King of Kings, The ONLY TRUE and Wise God, Our Savior Jesus Christ is taking sleep away from your eyes.

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Oponu....if Trinitarian are trying to keep people away from their secrets, why was Williams Tyndale Bible so close 99% with Other Trinitarian Bibles we have today than your demonic translation?

**1
Continue DECEIVING yourself,Mr LIENUS.
You have proven to this public forum that Jesus words @ John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12 did not reach your heart.
It ended on the pages of your Bible.

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Let's use Trinitarian Amplified Bible to compare William Tyndale's Bible.
I have given you the example of 1 Timothy 3:16.
Others are 1 John 5:7, Genesis 16:7,Malachi 3:1, Matthew 6:13. Mark 9:43.Amplified Bible.
I challenge you Emusan to produce evidence that William Tyndale's Bible agreed with the Greek1 rendition of the Trinitarian Amplified Bible in the examples given.

1 Timothy 3:16
16 And great, we confess, is the mystery [the hidden truth] of godliness:
He (Jesus Christ) who was revealed in human flesh,"

Emusan:
Of course we know the real Pharisees here, who always twist the scripture.

To the essence of say ALL ANGELS ARE EXCERT IMPRINT OF GOD'S IMAGE.

Something that even your demonic organization can never claimed.

[s]Lamentations! Our teachings don't yield positive results yet we are more in than your demonic organization of over 100years with fruitless efforts just because they're not ABIDE IN JESUS.[/s]

Mr LIENUS

Genesis 1:26 JEHOVAH said "let us make man"
JEHOVAH spoke to Jesus Christ the morning Star & angel of the Lord (Rev 22:16, Gen16:7,13) in the presence of other angels @ Job 38:1-7, who ALL saw the Creation of man & the earth.
Numbers 23:19, " God is NOT a man that tell lies."
@ Genesis 1:27, Job 38:1-7, Isaiah 44:24 & Proverbs 8:26. 1 Corinthians 8:6. Jehovah did NOT lie.

Jesus Christ is NOT the Creator.
Romans 11:35-36,JEHOVAH is the Creator of Jesus Christ
No twisting, This is Scriptural fact.
@Genesis 1:26-27.Job 38:1-7, angels are imprint of God's image.
"To the essence of say ALL ANGELS ARE EXCERT IMPRINT OF GOD'S IMAGE".

Genesis 1:26-7.Job 38:1-7, Isaiah 44:24 etc.
JWs can NEVER challenge Scriptural authority.

Emusan:
As usual attacking strawman.

JaNosense

Emusan:


One thing people know you for on this forum is that you never make any sense because your points always go off the subject matter.

Hosea and John have nothing in common.

The man who lied that Hosea and John have nothing in common.
Emusan LIENUS says Both Hosea and John were not inspired by God to write the Bible Emusan hides in his locker.

Dollarseeker:
when u kiss a cross or crucifix, it doesn't mean u worship the cross or crucifix but its a sign of love for what the crucifix or image represents. Have u kissed d pic of ur mum, dad or child before? its just a sign of love, it doesn't mean d pic is ur God or u worship it. I pray God to give u wisdom to understand

Bros, what of this, kneeling down & praying to Mary?
Or , PRAYING in front of the Fatima ?

Emusan:
One thing people know you for on this forum is that you never make any sense because your points always go off the subject matter.

Hosea and John have nothing in common.

Jesus is the word of God, any problem with that?

Both Men are JEHOVAH'S Servants inspired by the same God to write down your Bible.

Emusan LIENUS

Bishopkingsley:
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ETERNAL or everlasting realm or Bible also call the place everlasting God realm is where God is before he created spiritual realm.ETERNAL realm is more powerful than the spiritual realm



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I ask you simple question where was God before he created heaven

You refuse to answer it

**1.
Bishop is DECEIVING himself.
His theory not Scriptural.


*2
The spiritual realm precedes heaven his dwelling place.

Emusan:
Where was it stated that Jesus is the Angel of Jehovah.

But it was stated clearly that Gabriel is the Angel of Jehovah.

So are you saying Jesus is now Gabriel?

Juxtapose Hosea 12:3-4 & John 1:1 Greek interlinear screenshot.
Is Jesus the word the God?
"Emusan go dodge the Bible truth as usual."
Yes ,he did. He no fall my hand.

Emusan:
You mean Williams Tyndale isn't a Trinitarian?

This your delusion has graduated to another level.

Tyndale included 1 John 5:7 in his Bible

So what exactly are you insinuating about Tyndale?

Yet , your Trinitarian mentors burnt him to ashes.

Emusan:
I know some of what you say on this forum has no root in deep doctrine of your organization.

The claim neither none of your dead GB nor the ones alive ever made is what you're making here, yet thinking you're making sense.

LIENUS as usual.

Hosea 12:3-4.
Is the angel God ?

Jesus is angel of the Lord, JEHOVAH., Genesis 16:7
Emphasis on "OF", evidence of ownership.

Juxtapose Hosea 12:3-4 & John 1:1 Greek interlinear screenshot.
Is Jesus the word the God?
Emusan go dodge the Bible truth as usual

paxonel:
OK, watchtower has said it own without any scriptural reference, how will they go far ?

JWs have not shied away from admission of their mistakes.
In the holy Scriptures, JEHOVAH'S Servants will always make mistakes
1 Samuel 16:6.
1 Corinthians 15:12.
Matthew 26:31-35.
John 16:16-18.
Luke 24:21,25.
1 Corinthians 13:9
Galatians 2:11-14.

obonujoker:
Jehovah witness as usual with crap...

What you, obonujoker, doesn't understand is bigger than you.
1 Samuel 16:6.
1 Corinthians 15:12.
Matthew 26:31-35.

eplanning:
It's alright bro. Peace

Shalom aleichem.

RussellRutherfo:
Why do JWs have a problem with this?!
Since:
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©Men are not to worship Angels but these so called angels in Genesis 18 (one Jehovah who manifested as three angels) was worshipped by Abraham as he bowed to them. You see the silly word games GB plays that is why they have to constantly change some bible words like changing worship in some verses to Obeisance and leaving the word, worship in some other verses that doesn't give the problem explaining. **2
Now, since Jesus according to JW theology is the highest Angel called Michael then the Christians are also correct in worshipping Jesus or calling Jesus Jehovah since Hosea and Jacob did that.




What Janosky did not screenshot for you all was the correct Christian Understanding of Hosea 12:3-5 and this is it below:


and by his strength he had power with God; the Targum is, with the angel, as in Hosea 12:4; he is called a man in the history of this event in Genesis 32:24; not that he was a mere man, since he is here expressly called God, and afterwards the Lord God of hosts; and there it is evident, from the context, he was a divine Person, and no other than the Son of God; who, though not as yet incarnate, appeared in a human form, as a presage of his future incarnation; though this was not a mere apparition, spectre, or phantasm, as Josephus {t} calls it; for it was not in a dream, or in a visionary way, that this wrestling and striving was between this divine Person in this form and Jacob, but in reality; it was a real substance which the Son of God formed, animated, actuated, and assumed, for that time and purpose, and then laid it aside; which touched Jacob, and he touched that, laid hold on it, and held it fast, and strove with it, and had power over it, and over God in it; even over him that is God over all, the true God and eternal life, the Lord Jesus Christ; not a created God, or God by office, but by nature; as the perfections that are in him, and the works and worship ascribed to him, declare: now Jacob had power over him "by his strength"; not by his natural strength; either of his body, which could not have been equal to the strength of this human body assumed for the time, as it was used and managed by a divine Person, unless he had been extraordinarily assisted and strengthened; or of his mind and soul, not by any spiritual strength he had of himself; but by what he had from this divine Person, with whom he wrestled; who put strength into him, and supported and increased the power and strength of faith in prayer; so that he prevailed over him, and got the blessing, for which reason his name was called Israel, Genesis 32:28.

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When Rutherfo prostrates or bow down to his parents (as Abraham bowed down) does he Rutherfo worship his parents?

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Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus Christ instruct anyone to give him worship?

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The Jews and the Targum said God created the Spiritual being called "Wisdom" @ Proverbs 8:22 (the same Wisdom called Jesus Christ @ 1 Corinthians 1:24).
The Targum NEVER said Jesus is "uncreated", Mr LIENUS.

Does Rutherfo now agree with the Targum that at John 1:1 Jesus the word was "Divine Person"?
At anytime, did Jews believe Jesus is God Almighty?
This LIENUS, "The Jews said "Jesus calling God his own Father" @ John 5:18.
Is John 5:18 still in your Bible?

RussellRutherfo:
Since these angels you mentioned in Hosea and the encounter of Jacob bear the name of Jehovah directly which we know and you brought up in other to deflect the clear facts that it was Jehovah himself that came down in Genesis 18 and according to the Jehovah Witness Cult theology that Jesus is Angel Michael.

Since, according to the Jehovah Witness theology of Jesus being Angel Michael. The question is embedded here: then the Christians must bee the true followers and the Jehovah witnesses false followers since they call Jesus (Angel Michael according to JW). They call Jesus Jehovah.

Angel OF JEHOVAH, emphasis on "OF" , evidence of ownership.

All faithful angels, including Archangel Michael ,belongs to Jehovah and represent their Owner & Creator.


Hebrews 13:2 says the ones entertained by Abraham were angels representing JEHOVAH @ Genesis 18.
Scriptural theology.

Matthew 25:31, Jesus the Angel of the Lord leads who ?
2 Thess 1:7-9, Jesus the angel of the Lord is leading who?

Small boy

RussellRutherfo:
Small Boy.

Due to the strange doctrines of lies and wrong scripture quotations that GB has concocted for Jehovah witnesses to deviate and confuse their listeners.

Most JWs don't read outside the false lies of JW materials hence become ignorant of the facts. You would in no way know of the Two Powers known amongst the Jews before the Rabbis stopped the knowledge of that. The Word of Jehovah and the Angel of Jehovah or the Spirit of Jehovah all were Jehovah wherever seen in the Hebrew Scriptures but since as you usual you and MaxDintheHouse would reject these facts. Now, let me ask you one simple question because I have discovered that Jehovah witnesses are not allowed to use their brains. GB has to do all the thinking for them.

John 7:16 , John 15:15, John 17:17, Jesus Christ teaches JEHOVAH'S word he learned from JEHOVAH his heavenly Father.
But "the word" is a spiritual being different from his heavenly father.

Genesis 16:7, Genesis 18:1-3, Hebrews 13:2, JEHOVAH'S angels were entertained by men.

Your Trinitarian mentors said holy spirit is NOT the Father, JEHOVAH.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.

GardenOfGod:
WATCHTOWER ROBOT EVERYWHERE

Mr Perfect, Mumu post.

eplanning:
You are sick and in need of help.


Worship as used here doesn't mean MESSIAH is replacing the Most High YAH. The Greek word used in the passage is proskynēsousin from where you get the English prostrate. It refers to obeisance, to bow or go on your knees in reverence. It doesn't mean that MESSIAH is taking the place of the Most High Creator. REPENT.

This is worship according to those passages.

Sorry, Mr eplanning. That was a typo error.
That response wasn't addressed to you,Bros.
My apologies.

eplanning:
Worship as used here doesn't mean MESSIAH is replacing the Most High YAH. The Greek word used in the passage is proskynēsousin from where you get the English prostrate. It refers to obeisance, to bow or go on your knees in reverence. It doesn't mean that MESSIAH is taking the place of the Most High Creator. REPENT.

This is worship according to those passages.

Correct.
Matthew 4:10 (compare Mark 12:29-30) is immutable and sacrosanct.

Nicenancy:
Taking man like in your aforementioned examples,

Yes, you are body soul and spirit but you are ONE person

Taking Water, steam, block etc is still that same water

If these are the examples then God Is One Person

The polytheists who pretend to be Christians will come here and tell you their own Gods is 3 persons .
John 20:17 & Revelation 3:5,12, Jesus & John have rejected them & their Triune GIBBERISH.

GardenOfGod:
............... WATCHTOWER ROBOT..............
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SOME OF THEIR FALSE AND FOOLISH PREDICTIONS:
"The date of the close of that battle is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning date from October 1874" (The Watchtower, January 15, 1892, page 22) (The Watchtower, January 1, 1924, page 5).

I can only respond to WatchTower publications and not to you because you are their ROBOT!!!

You reject the holy Scriptures Matt 4:10 & Rev 3:12 and expose your bigotry.
Bros, continue

Afterall, 1 Samuel 16:6, the prophet Samuel made a FALSE prophecy.
2 Samuel 7:2-4,14, the prophet Nathan made a FALSE prophecy.
Matthew 26:31-35, the disciples failed the tests of scriptures and failed Jesus Christ too.
No be new thing.
But,
What is the message of the Bible rebuking the fictitious claim for this thread's topic?
Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 3:12.

Continue derailing this thread.

You, GardenofGod have already proven you lack SENSE

GardenOfGod:
Do you know how to solve a problem? You go to the taproot and deal with it. Then the problem will be forever solved.

I don't want to join issues with you, if I were to, I would ignore you and focus on the teachings of the WatchTower, which is the root cause of your insanity.
So excuse me!!!
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Here's the screenshot of where their misinformation emanated

You are a confirmed bigot.
The same message in your Trinitarian Amplified Bible & Geneva Bible @ Genesis 16:7 , Malachi 3:1 & Daniel 10:13.
Even before you were born

Bishopkingsley:
They won't teach you this things because they know you don't read Bible by yourself lol

God dwells in the spiritual realm till infinity.
You're DECEIVING yourself that eternal realm is NOT spiritual realm.
Bishop LIENUS,pls Continue

GardenOfGod:
................here's your source...................
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SOME OF THEIR FALSE AND FOOLISH PREDICTIONS:
"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from April 1878, A.D., and the first work of the Kingdom, as shown by our Lord, in his parables and prophecy (the gathering of his elect), is now in progress. 'The dead in Christ shall rise first,' explained the Lord through the Apostles; and the resurrection of the Church shall be in a moment"
(The Battle of Armageddon, Studies in the Scriptures Series IV, 1897, page 62)

This is the source of your insanity. Deal with that!

Is this thread's topic in any way connected to any JWs publication?

Is what you typed up there spoken by Jesus Christ @ Revelation 3:12 & Matthew 4:10?

You really proven you lack SENSE.

GardenOfGod:
Do you know how to solve a problem? You go to the taproot and deal with it. Then the problem will be forever solved.

I don't want to join issues with you, if I were to, I would ignore you and focus on the teachings of the WatchTower, which is the root cause of your insanity.
So excuse me!!!
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Until you prove that Revelation 3:12 & Matthew 4:10 the words of Jesus you reject in your own Bible was written by JWs, you are yarning GIBBERISH.

eplanning:
People go to the courts and worship the judge bowing down. They go to the Oba's palace and worship bowing down.
That's what that scripture is referring to. The elders worshipped the Lamb who was given (by YAH) authority, glory, honour and an everlasting kingdom.

Yes, HE WAS GIVEN...

Revelation 5:12
[12]Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain, to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 3:12 & Matthew 4:10, Jesus says you're correct.

GardenOfGod:
NOTICE THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN GOD AND JESUS IN DESCRIPTION

DESCRIPTION OF JESUS IN REVELATION 1:12-16
12 And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 and in the midst of the seven candlesticks One like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the breast with a golden girdle.
14 His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 and His feet like unto fine brass, as though they burned in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And He had in His right hand seven stars, and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword, and His countenance shone as the sun shineth in his strength.

DESCRIPTION OF GOD (ANCIENT OF DAYS) IN DANIEL 7:9-10
9 “I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days sat down, whose garment was white as snow and the hair of His head like the pure wool. His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him. Thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened

For your mind
Continue DECEIVING yourself

Bishopkingsley:
Repent before it too late

The dictionary definition of "kingdom" have exposed you wella.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.

Bishopkingsley:
God does things in nano seconds it a twinkling of an eye whala it appears

That the kind of God we serve

Which Scriptures & verses for this your heresy?

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus worship God... Jesus (God) coming to earth is to show us how to live life how to pray etc

[b]God is the word, the word entered Mary who gave birth to the word called Emmanuel, [/b]God with us, God then chose to call himself Jesus meaning God's salvation or Saviour

So, your Polytheists Gods committed sin ?

Dollarseeker:
nice, and Mary is the Mother of God....

Trinitarians oh sorry, polytheists such as "Bingbagbo" & "Garden of God" are quick to deny "One bag of cement" they foolishly refuse to admit.

GardenOfGod:
24 Elders in HEAVEN WORSHIPED JESUS... TEN THOUSANDS TIMES THOUSANDS, AND THOUSAND OF THOUSANDS WORSHIPED HIM IN HEAVEN.....
YOUR own mortal worship is insignificant my friend.

Was your Gods slain?

GardenOfGod:
God was worshiped by 24 Elders and beasts in Heaven Rev. 4:9-11
Jesus was worshiped by 24 Elders and the beasts in Heaven Rev. 5:9-13

God is a Man of War... Exo. 15:3
Jesus is a man of War (makes War) Rev. 19:11

God has Armies... Joel. 2:11, 1 Sam. 17:45.
Jesus has Armies... Rev. 19:13-14

God used the Voice of an Angel to communicate... Gen. 22:11-12
Jesus will use the voice of an Angel to communicate... 1Thess. 4:16

How many persons do you "GardenOfGod" worship?
How many Gods do you have?
Pagan deities devotees everywhere