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ChristisGod:
MOSES DIED IN DEUTERONOMY

Deuteronomy 34:5-7
[5]So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
[6]And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day.
[7] Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. [/b]His eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished.

THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATER, MOSES APPEARS TO JESUS BEFORE THE DISCIPLES HERE ON EARTH

Matthew 17:1-3

[1]Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
[2]and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
[3]And behold, [b]Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

NOTe: Moses had died thousands of years back but there appeared to Jesus. It means, though physically speaking, Moses died and was buried, yet he (Moses) still existed in the spiritual realm. All those who have died are still existing in the spiritual realm

Ammishaddai:
JW doctrine is the equivalent of Satan's daily sermon in hellfire

johnw47:
Jesus hinted many times that He is God
God's word Gives many clues, the blinded don't see them, or believe when shown

Jesus said, "only God is good", soon after that He said ,"I am Good":

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God:

Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

GardenOfGod:
Hahaha.... I got your point.
But mine was on heated argument.

However, on my Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ, He is God and not angel.

The Witnesses have their own belief system that is scripted far away USA by WatchTower.
Whatever their publishing company logically teaches them, is what they hold unto regardless of what other portions of the scriptures infer on the subject.
So it is for your own soul's sake to adhere to the advice of Paul to Timothy and Titus... Avoid them!

sagenaija:
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Splattering Bible verses does not amount to giving cogent answers to questions.

Proverbs 8 DID NOT start from verse 31.
Look carefully again from verse 1. It is wisdom personified. You can't pluck out one verse to the disregard of the entire portion.
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Before you were born, Trinitarian Geneva Bible referenced Proverbs 8:22-31 to John 1:1.

If you like reject the truth
The Wisdom of Proverbs 8 :22-31 was referenced as a "Craftsman" with the pronoun "I", "me" & 1 Corinthians 1:24 proven that the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-31 is Jesus Christ.

sagenaija:
See again what I earlier posted:

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Hebrews 1:3 NIV
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sagenaija:
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:5 NIV
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sagenaija:
But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 NIV
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The Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7 is the original copy of Hebrews 1:8. "Thy throne given of God/ Your throne is from God/ God is your throne"

sagenaija:
These CLEARLY show that Jesus is more than an angelic being, no matter the ranking. He is here portrayed as God.

In Philippians 2:6 we are told that his very nature is God, not of a creature which angels are:
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God [/b]something to be used to his own advantage;
Philippians 2:6 NIV

The quiz I gave is not another segment; it is still relevant to the matter at hand, but you appear to have missed the import of it. Johnw47 caught it.

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John 20:17, 14:28, 5:19. Rev 3:5,12,21.
At anytime in heaven & earth Jesus did NOT claim equality with God.
Philippians 2:6 Original verse reads " in the form of God", (see Screenshots)
"Form of God" is spirit, Jesus is spirit, Angels in heaven are spirits. They are all spiritual beings.
But them change Phillippians 2:6 to:
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;"
Trinitarians too dey TWIST the holy Scriptures

sagenaija:
These are what you said severally:
And then this:


So, is it accomplishment, LIKE I SAID, or is it closeness to God? Remember that I had said "that the ranking of the angels was as a result of their stand for God and accomplishment as a result."

When you said 'Yes' to this my question[b]: Are you saying that all angels are the exact representation of God's being? [/b]I wonder if you really know the attributes of God. For example, God is omniscient. Are all angels omniscient?

sagenaija:
Your explanation of
' "i and the father are one" statement is interesting! How come those who heard him didn't see it like you did? How come they picked up stones to stone him?

that they be one just as we are one"- Jesus and his Father are one just as the disciples are one, as Paul & Apollos are one,1 Corinthians3:6-8. )

sagenaija:
Equally interesting is your take on Hebrews 1:5:
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?

You said:

Did other angels speak to men after Jesus' ascension to heaven? The answer is a resounding 'Yes!'. This CLEARLY debunks this your position. And if this is so, don't you think you may be wrong on your other views?

But in this last days "(reference 2 Tim 3:1-7) "God has spoken to us through His Son", Bros, you see am for Hebrews 1:2?

sagenaija:
You made many statements you couldn't substantiate from the Bible such as:
1.
So, some of mankind were 'part of' the rebellion in the Garden of Eden and others were not?
Where are we told that Michael made human beings?

sagenaija:
2.
Where in the Bible did it say an angel had to be 'transformed into human' in order to save man?

sagenaija:
3.
[s]Your mere conjecture. Where in the Bible does it say this?[/s]

4.
The woman sinned first - 1 Timothy 2:14. So, where did you get this your statement from? The Bible?

sagenaija:
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In order not to be like a parrot repeating myself let me share these additional things:
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The Son, according to Hebrews, laid the foundations of the earth, and and the heavens are the works of his hands. Archangel Michael is NOWHERE said to be the one who did these. The Bible is so EMPHATIC about the fact that "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
John 1:3 NIV
Did you note that WITHOUT HIM nothing was made that has been made. In other words, no creation (including creatures) came into existence without Jesus's doing. Is Archangel Michael a created being? If so, he couldn't have been the creator.

sagenaija:
Jesus is also referred to as the LAMB OF GOD, but he is not a physical lamb and shared no physical characteristic with that animal. That expression had to do with the mission he had to accomplish.
"Lamb" references a creature but does that title of Jesus - Lamb of God - make him a physical Lamb?
Do you believe that Jesus shares any physical characteristics with the lamb?

livingchrist:
Is this what this thread is about?

and the Word was with God . . . (At least two Persons are in view here: one called “God” and one called “the Word.”)

. . . and the Word was God (The Word is distinct from God, yet He is also called “God.” The Word is divine in His essential nature.)

John 1:2. He was with God in the beginning (After the essential identification of the Word as God, once again the distinction is emphasized—He was with God when it all began.)

John 1:3. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made (Here, we see that the Word is actually the Creator. He made everything. In the Old Testament, we are told that God created everything—Genesis 1:1.)

It is this kind of biblical information that led to the formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity. When “God” is spoken of in the Old Testament, most people probably think of God the Father, but it would be more accurate to think of “God the Trinity.” In the New Testament, we see how each Person of the Trinity assumed different roles in the redemption of lost humanity, but the different Persons are always in complete agreement, acting as one.

Jesus is God, but Jesus (who is God the Son) is not the same Person as God the Father or God the Holy Spirit

MaxInDHouse:
When you guys read the Bible instead of meditating thoroughly before concluding you just look for supporting opinions from here and there!

@ Hebrews 1:5

For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”?

This is just a warning to all the angels not to speak to any human again because Jesus is the one and only son (out of all the angels) God introduced to mankind as His spokesman! Hebrews 1:1-2

That's the import of the verse you keep quoting and repeating!

sagenaija:
I believe its perfectly possible for members of the Godhead to share.
The pre-incarnate appearances of Jesus does not make him Archangel Michael. The book of Hebrews makes us to see that he is superior to every angelic being.

At Daniel 10:13 and Genesis 4:19, what is the meaning of the Hebrew lexicon 259 "one of/ the one "?

Answer : The first, the senior, the Head of angels leading them to Victory.

@ Daniel 10:13, Joshua 5:13-14,Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-9, Revelation 12:7-9.
Do you roger that?

Bishopkingsley:
Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

Psalm 145:13
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.

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Read it until you see it
ETERNAL realm or eternal kingdom or everlasting kingdom they are the same thing

God was there before he created heaven and heaven means spiritual place or spiritual kingdom
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God told you he is from everlasting /eternal
And your asking where it is

Read it until you see it

Bishopkingsley:
Great morning
Now you can see how JW are termed cult

Nancy2020:
IF you notice they place Jehovah name more that Jesus name which is not what God asked from believers.

Bishopkingsley:
the scriptures can not be broken

I said the truth

Bishopkingsley:
Yes Jesus name is the name used to do spiritual things but they are so angry with that name they replace it with Jehovah

God only said Jesus name is what you need to effect change

Nancy2020:
So they first perverted the Bible so that it Wil look like the teaching of angel is from Bible next they be little Jesus to angel.

Bishopkingsley:
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It all calculated it from the devil
Make it look like scripture said it changed many places but couldn't explain why Jesus called hold spirit he they don't know how to explain it

Bishopkingsley:
You are Janosky
[s]Made up of

Body
Soul
Spirit

Three on one

You can not separate the three but powerful spirit can separate it and you will understand how trinity works

God is the father God is the son of God is the holy spirit

Bible said God has a chair throne it shows it

That same Bible tells us that nothing can contain God because he has unlimited size he is limitless he is infinite is size

Bible also say God throne is actually the heavens of heavens

Lol..

You don't know God
If you think God only lives inside heaven lol[/s]

Bishopkingsley:
Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

Psalm 145:13
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.


In genesis God was somewhere (eternal/ everlasting kingdom) before he created heaven, heaven there in Bible means spiritual place
the heaven there refers to the spiritual realm and the earth there refers to the physical realm

Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the (universe) world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Psalm 90:2

there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then

the physical realm

God has no beginning he has always been God what was recorded in Bible was the beginning of God's creation not the beginning of God the village of God is called everlasting realm or eternal realm......
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Next time read your Bible or ask questions about what you don't know Janosky.....

Bishopkingsley:
You don't know Bible
ETERNAL is same as everlasting
But it not the same as spiritual heaven because God said he destroy even the heavens and create a new heaven

I don't know if it in your evil Bible too lol

Bishopkingsley:
Your problem is you don't know the difference between to be every where

And to manifest every where

God is every where
But he does not manifest every where

Because he want you to believe him by faith and not by sight

If there is emergency he will show you himself at any place that the emergency is required

Bishopkingsley:
Funny yes the eyes of God watch all
His hand touch all
God is equally saying his presence is in all places

Wake up

Isaiah 43:2 “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
And through the rivers, they will not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched, Nor will the flame burn you.”

When you pass through trouble God said I will be with you as you are passing through it

If you are a child of God

MaxInDHouse:
Beware of his two other accounts!
He will still switch and began monitoring you with either
©Betscoreodds or
©Kingsnairaland

Bishopkingsley:
Good News Bible
Jeremiah 23:23-24 GNT
Bible / Bible Versions / GNT / Jeremiah / Jeremiah 23 / Jeremiah 23:23-24
23 "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. 24 No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth?

Bishopkingsley:
Your Bible is evil Bible it show you God fill heaven and earth

But you don't know how to twist it

I pity you

Read easy translation to open your eyes
The time they wrote Bible the English is not the same English you use in school read easy English to help you

That why you won't read

[s]That why GB
Don't want you to go to school[/s]

I'm a graduate,many many years ago,one of the best in my class, by His grace.
Taking care of myself and my family by His Grace.
Bishop, cry me a river

Bishopkingsley:
Is it not the heavens and the earth that I myself actually fill?”+ is the utterance of Jehovah. 2

I know English is your problem that why I show you easy translation for you to read since the cult won't let you read to understand

Is it not the heavens and the earth that I myself actually fill?”+ is the utterance of Jehovah. 2

Your evil Bible said God fill everything everywhere hope you can see it

Bishopkingsley:
Isaiah 43:13 - I Am The LORD "God" From Everlasting To Everlasting.

Psalm 145:13
Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And Your dominion endures throughout all generations.


In genesis God was somewhere (eternal/ everlasting kingdom) before he created heaven, heaven there in Bible means spiritual place
the heaven there refers to the spiritual realm and the earth there refers to the physical realm

Before the mountains were born
Or You gave birth to the earth and the (universe) world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Psalm 90:2

there are three realms

the everlasting realm
or also called eternal realm then

the spiritual realm and then

the physical realm

God has no beginning he has always been God what was recorded in Bible was the beginning of God's creation not the beginning of God the village of God is called everlasting realm or eternal realm......
........
Next time read your Bible or ask questions about what you don't know Janosky.....

Bishopkingsley:
Even the evil new world translation says

Janosky
God is nearby you and not far away

New world translation
23 “Am I a God* nearby,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and not a God far away?”+
24 “Or can any man* be concealed in places of concealment and I myself not see him?”+ is the utterance of Jehovah.
“Is it not the heavens and the earth that I myself actually fill?”+ is the utterance of Jehovah. 2

Bishop, You want change the holy Scriptures?
@ Jeremiah 23:23 is "nearby" everywhere?
Is "far away" everywhere?
Jeremiah 23:23-24 , from where will JEHOVAH see the man concealed?

Proverbs 15:3

3 The eyes of Jehovah are everywhere,
Watching both the bad and the good"

Psalms 11:4
"LORD JEHOVAH is in the temple of the Holiness of LORD JEHOVAH; his throne is in Heaven; his eyes see; his eyelids examine the children of men"
Psalms 11:4 & Proverbs 15:3 ,
JEHOVAH in heaven, his holy temple sees all the activities of men.
Go, learn & receive SENSE.

Nancy2020:
So Jehovah witness don't believe God is omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresent. You are truly correct when you say they are not from God.

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1 AA
Your WatchTower has taught you well for equating "born" to "create" meaning that FIRST BORN = FIRST CREATE

LET'S ANALYSE IT
So we can rightly render
1. Colossians 1:18 thus: "...FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEATH..."

2. Revelation 1:5 thus: And from "Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the FIRST CREATED FROM THE DEAD..."

3. Isaiah 9:6 thus: "For unto us a child is CREATED...

4. Isaiah 7:14 thus: "... Behold a virgin shall conceive and CREATE A SON.... "

By that comparison of born to mean create; a woman could be conveniently said to have "create" a child instead of "born" a child

Jesus was the first to be "created" from the dead...

That's according to your lame and inconsistent comparison.

Since I responded to this false assumptious fallacy, none of them have the balls to confront me in foolish arguments again.

...Who still argues with thses false guys?

Just calm down, I don't reside on Nairaland 24/7.
1 AA.
Bros, did the Watchtower write Psalms 90:2 & Colossians 1:15 in your Bible?
Your own Bible testify that your claim is FALSE!

johnw47:
false jw's don't know God at all, most christians would know this

Bishopkingsley:
You don't need to blame him
Not everyone knows what God is
Some think he is only in one place

JW don't have ability to think that God can be in heaven and equally be on earth at the same time

They don't have faith to think how powerful God is so you don't blame them but pity them

I have spoken to you from heaven"

Matthew 6:9
"Our Father who art in heaven...."

JWs think according to the holy Scriptures.
"JWs don't have ability to think according to the traditions of gods of men".

Emusan:
As usual pilling up Mumbo Jumbo.

To your dull skull, Luke identy the Angel of the Lord to be Gabriel, do you need primary school pupil to explain that to you?

Anyways, no scripture yet that says Jesus is Michael but the scripture says Gabriel is Angel of Jehovah.

Sifia pained WAILER

Genesis 16:7 Amplified Bible.
Before you were born your Trinitarian mentors have known that Jesus Christ is an angel of the Lord, Jehovah.
ALL angels whether Gabriel, Jesus Christ the Archangel Michael are Angels of the Lord, Yahweh.
1 Corinthians 3:23, Jesus Christ belongs to who?