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Emusan:
[s]As usual very shallow and incoherent reasoning and application of Scripture.
Oponu the great JaNosense!
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I said Williams Tyndale Bible agreed with 99% of Trinitarian Bibles ,can you see the reason why you're a deluded and ignorant somebody?

So Amplified Bible is part of 1%

Now, why did the same Williams Tyndale Bible so DEFER from your NWT demonic translation?

Emusan:
[s]JaNosense, I wonder how you pass your O'level and I just pray your children won't inherit this dumbness.
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I'm still looking for where Bible called Jesus ANGEL, just your delusional idea.

Emusan:
But Jehovah used him to CREATE other things

Is this not self deceit?

And Jesus created you....which means He is your creator.

But forcing scripture to say Jesus is archangel Michael, isn't that a granular delusion?

Mark 19:4-6, Jesus Christ says you are LYING.
Jesus Christ further confirmed Genesis 1:27, Genesis14:19, 1 Corinthians 8:6 is true.

Jehovah God the Creator used him (Jesus Christ), his worker, Craftsman.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and [b]the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me".
Jesus Christ is a messenger/angel of Jehovah his Father
John the Baptizer is Jehovah's angel, Matthew 11:10,Douay-Rheims Bible
"For this is he of whom it is written: Behold I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee".
Greek lexicon 32, aggelos

Emusan:
I just love the way you're exposing your shameless lying mouth here.

The question is, where did the scripture says Jesus is Michael? You haven't be able to provide that.

You can keep salivating on your ignorance, the same Amplified Bible and Geneva Bible say Jesus is God, and Jesus can't be both God and Angel, definitely it's your wack tiny brain that couldn't grab their messages as usual

Genesis 16:7, Malachi 3:1 Amplified Bible.
When your Trinitarian mentors & his friend KNOWMORE56 can't save Emusan from his DELUSION,no one else can.
Bros, Where did your Trinitarian friend, KNOWMORE56 learn that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael?
Go meet them for tutorials.

Isaiah 6:6-8 proven that Yahweh is NOT angel, rather Yahweh sends angels.

sagenaija:
Let me make it easier for you:
In john 1: 18 what is the Strong's number for the 'God' translated there in two (2) places?
Are there two different numbers for the two times it is used or one and same number?

Bros, you are still dodging these questions:
In the John 1:1 Greek interlinear, did you, sagenaija, see the supreme divinity ?
@ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is a "god" the Supreme divinity?
In your Dictionary, is "a god" the supreme divinity?


@ Greek John 1:1, John 14:1 & John 20:17 is Jesus Greek 3588 Greek 2316 ?

@ John 1:18 "Begotten theos (god)."
Sagenaija, No proof, ooo.
More so, most Bible versions renders verse 18
"Only begotten son."
Begotten in the spiritual realm.
Who beget his God & Father?

Mark you, the word "g1510 g2310 a god", divine/godlike.

sagenaija:
At 2316 did you see "especially the supreme divinity"? Why skip that from the source you pasted?

@ Greek John 1:1, John 14:1 & John 20:17 is Jesus Greek 3588 Greek 2316 ?

sagenaija:
I didn't know that you know all things and rely on no other person.
Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.
Proverbs 15:22 NIV

When your colleague Janosky pasted someone else's material are you saying he's cheap or immature too?

If you don't have much data just watch only the first ten minutes of the video. Ten minutes should not cost you much; should it?
However, if you are afraid of having your faith in your position shaken then you may run for cover.

What the man is saying is this: those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 into "the Word was a god" in other portions that had the same Greek wordings, even in the same John's gospel. The question is: How come?

I hope I've helped you a little.

Cheap FRAUD of a Sage & his LYING mentor.

Greek lexicon 1510 2316
= was (g1510) a god (2316).
John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is the same exact Greek wordings.
Sagenaija go & confirm this fact @ Acts 28:6 & John 1:1.

aminulive:
POLITICSNIGERIA.COM

A man identified as Bright Ben has taken to social media to accuse the General Overseer of World Bank Assembly, Pastor Moses Adeeyo of 'snatching' his wife and kids, POLITICS NIGERIA has learned.

Ben, in a statement on his Facebook page, revealed that he was a full financial member of the church alongside his wife, Mrs. Tina Bright nee Everest, and they had been attending the church for a while.

He alleged that trouble started after his wife was given an 'appointment' and she quietly moved out of the house with their two children. He claims that he had been searching for her adding that he even called pastor Adeeyo to seek advice on the matter but at a point the pastor allegedly seized picking up his calls and blocked his line.

Mr. Ben stated that he found out about his wife's whereabouts on Sunday after seeing pictures of Pastor Adeeyo's marriage to Tina. Bright and Tina have been married for 12 years.

https://politicsnigeria.com/popular-pastor-in-hot-water-for-marrying-church-members-wife-in-rivers-photos/



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=996692707764969&id=100022727478100

BigDan69:
This is really emotional. He really did dedicate his life for barca, fans wer see and heard chatimg his name and chasing him while leaving barcelona for good.
#TheGOAT

Bishopkingsley:
Revelation 21:1-2
King James Version
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

A new heavens and a new earth Also in Isaiah we are told of the creation of a new heavens and a new earth . This is also referred to as the new Jerusalem (cf Revelation 21:1-2). It is a habitation into which shall be gathered people from all nations (Isaiah 65:17-19, 66:19-22).

This new world is what Peter calls "the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" (2Peter 1:11), and what our Lord himself referred to when he said, "I go to prepare a place for you" (John 14:1-3).

Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away but my word won't

Peter Speaks as Isaiah Speaks

Isaiah tells us that God who made the heavens and earth, will also destroy the heavens and earth. He has brought destruction upon many wicked peoples, and will continue to do so. One day, however, he will bring destruction upon the whole world and banish every evil person from his sight. Those who are righteous will enter a new heavens and new earth where there will be no evil. This joyous world will last forever.

Peter speaks as Isaiah speaks. His message is the same. It is "the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Saviour spoken by your apostles"

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

New Living Translation
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had disappeared. And the sea was also gone.

This study deals with the nature of the "world" or "heavens and earth" whose destruction is linked to the second coming of Christ. We are especially considering Peter's prophecy about the heavens and earth being destroyed by intense fire (2Peter 3:1-18)

2 Peter 3:1–18
7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Fire will destroy both heaven and earth
During judgement season

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

New Living Translation
But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.

You call "born again" a new creation (Never destroyed & recreated) to dwell in your new heaven and earth whereas you claimed that God will destroy his sinless heavenly throne and recreate new heaven and earth, this Bishop you are scamming yourself

Ammishaddai:
You are wrong sir. For no one knows the hour or day. But we are given hints as to the time. And as it stands , those hints have already manifested themselves . In fact ,the stage is set for the arrival of our great God and Savior , Jesus Christ . So get ready

oranget:
"I and the father are one", "...and the word was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
Does it ring any bell? This isn't confusion, rather you are the one who needs to calm down and understand.

Jesus spoke Revelation 3:5,12 .
Why does your God Almighty have a Father & his God in heaven?
Why does his God Almighty not have a God or Father?

kramer:
Thanks for that. I actually read the verses but didn't see where it said we should serve Jesus for all eternity

I did, however, notice that he referred to God as "my father" Matthew 25:34

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

kramer:
Thanks for the clarification here. Quite interesting indeed.

Did Jesus say all of these things? Or did man decide these things after his death? I'm particularly interested in point 6. References to the relevant Bible verses would be most appreciated.

Nancy2020:
jW will never see revelation from the Bible because they can't read Bible by themselves.

Bishopkingsley:
When God destroys the heaven and earth

Bishopkingsley:
Then the new heaven and new earth will be in the place of the eternal state

The original plan of God

Bishopkingsley:
Heaven is a spiritual place in fact heaven there means spiritual place

So God created a spiritual realm and a physical realm

But the place God was before this was not created because only God occupied that place.
It called everlasting

Kobojunkie:
I would rather enter a discussion on this or any other topic with the one you call GB over you than with you.
So let me know his social media handle so I can engage him when I am able.

Perfectbeing:
Yet he received their prayers like he did Steven's.

Also also Jesus himself didn't ask any body NOT to pray to Him

Kobojunkie:
John 15 vs 1 - 14, will clear it up for you. When you ask Jesus Christ for a thing, it amounts to praying to Him.

Mikecold:
what Christ was doing with the Lord's prayer was to prepare the minds of the Jews at that time to have an understanding of God as their father

Remember before now even Jews dared not go into the temple unless the high priest that still had his limits.

Keep in mind Christ was not yet crucified so how could he have possibly tell the Jews to pray in his name when he hadn't paid the price for them to access him in prayer

Mind you they could pray to him, desire him to do things for them which he could do because he was on earth with them, but anything regarding prayer in closet they couldn't call him name because he hadn't gotten a liscence

So essentially he was preparing them for a new kind of relationship with God not really about the prayer per say

When his work was finished it means the Jesus who was already prayed to on earth when he was around can also be prayed to in heaven

freshboi88:
First question to u is tell me what u believe in respect to the divinity of Christ ? And then tell why u think trinity is not scriptural.

Perfectbeing:
Why then did Stephen prayed directly to Jesus to receive his spirit as he was being stoned?

Tohsynetita1:
I dont know why we argue on things that arent making us grow spiritually, i think things that can cause sin should be the bone of contetion.
If jesus is God; Have i sinned by the statement?
And if i say Jesus is not God, have i sinned? Once we've not sinned, i dont think their should be room for this wasteful discussion.

Mikecold:
If you as a human being does not believe in Trinity then you are a joke to yourself

You don't believe because God can't be three even though he created humans in his own likeness (replica) of three

You still can't grab how you are three in one as a human being yet appear to be one seamlessly?

Can you tell me why science is yet to bring dead bodies to life?

According to science all dead bodies are lifeless because something happened to their internal organs (weakned, shut)

So how difficult is it to replace perphas a heart, kidney, or some biotech gadget insert blood, oxygen and get the dead bodies back to life

Oops, I forgot they have been trying that but ended up disappointed with an obvious conclusion that life is not air in itself.

Life is a spirit when taken out is beyond man's effort.

Does this mean that man has been living all his life with Atleast two entities yet keep asking how the God who created him and said man is in his likeness can exist in more than one entity

Have you ever asked yourself why man's life on earth can not do without water?

What's the big deal about water sef because even a baby born today would thirst for it with his soul.

So don't you get chills to know the purest thing you can't do without contains H20 (Two hyrogen, one oxygen =3)

If you wish i can give you countless narration where Jesus referred to him self as the water of life

So what's the big deal about water on earth?

It's God's signature of his Trinity and man's inability to exist without his Trinity.

Yaweh is a God of symbolism, water is H20

Oxygen is on its own in water (this is Yaweh) yet exist with two hydrogen (Jesus, Holy spirit) and they do same job

Jesus Christ is the water for the spirit that also needs spiritual water




Food for thought

Ddokie:
It appears Reno is Jehovah Witness"ish".

Na only dem dey read bible like that - from right to left.

You can't pray to Jesus but you can pray to a judge in a court. Ndi okpo.

There isn't any need to join issues with these ones or any other person throwing up controversial arguments aimed at showcasing their independence in the study of scripture.



Truth is that if we concentrated on the good that we all have come to accept and shun controversies that end up tearing down without building up, the world would have been a much better place.



They read bible from right to left (meaning they start on the right path, but pride ends up taking them to the wrong destination).

seunmsg:
Christians pray to God through Jesus Christ and not to Jesus Christ.

midolian:
1/10

oranget:
Which kind wahala be dis one now?
Since prayer is the communication between man and his God, and according to the Bible, Jesus is fully God and fully man, He is also the second person in Trinity. Then why should praying to him be wrong.
This Daddy Freezer always finding excuses to justify his unbelief.

silibaba:
you better go back to your bible and stop watching too much bbnaija

IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD.

AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD.

AND THE WORD WAS GOD.

AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH (THROUGH MARY) AND DWELL AMONG US.

John 1:1

go and read deep cos am not ready to elaborate the caplock

othermen:
First, when people asked Jesus for miracles in the bible, they were praying to Jesus.

''Jesus! make me see'', ''Jesus! make me well'', ''Jesus! If I could touch your garment'', ''Jesus!, raise this dead."

John 14 ''Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.”

To God, there are three members, God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit... This is the trinity. Jesus is the begotten of God; the son, this is clear.

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
in verse 14: “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us”

Romans 9:5 Apostle Paul describes Jesus as “the Christ, who is God overall, blessed forever.”

In John 10:30 Jesus claims that “I and the Father are one,”

In John 14:9 Jesus says that “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

In Mark 2 dealing with the man’s paralysis he first says, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Only God can forgive, of coz Jesus is a member of God.

In order that your prayer is through to God the father, you should pray in the name of the son, for it is through the son, we are granted access; and the holy spirit shall be there to guide, to guide in your prayers and that you may ask that which is appropriate.

Even then, Jesus Christ is the answer to our prayers.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17, Even Apostle Paul prayed to Jesus saying “May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father. . . encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.” In 1 Thessalonians 3:11–13, there was a similar prayer to Jesus.

John 5:23 ''Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.''.

You don’t need Omokri or Daddy Freeze to know God or know more about Christ. What you need is a personal encounter with Christ, and you only have to accept Christ. He is knocking at the door. The Holy Spirit shall then be the guide.

Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 20:17, did Jesus Christ reject your claim @ John 1:1?
Is Jesus your God?
Or, the One Jesus calls "my God and your God?"
According to your claim on John 1:1, you are also saying that at Hosea 12:3-4, angel is God. Bros, you can't shift this goal post for John 1:1 & Hosea 12:3-4

kramer:
I feel that Christians have really missed the road on this. When Jesus was asked a simple question, "how do we pray?" .. he responded with the way it should be done, starting from "Our Father" ... He didn't end it by saying "in my name we pray" or anything of the sought. But over the years humans have changed everything and added their own spin and understanding to the original word. Now we have Catholics, latter day saints etc all of who have deviated from the original way of praying.

RussellRutherfo:
GardenofGod.

I hope you are not swayed by this wrong understanding that this small boy, Janosky is saying to confuse you.

There are many things that I would love to say to you about the understanding of the Jews of the Spirit or Angel of Yahweh as Yahweh [/b]but this knowledge is now made taboo by Rabbis as in several passages of the Hebrew Scriptures you will see this element very well which shows the Godhead or what some Christians call Trinity is everywhere in the Bible even in the old testament.

The Rabbinic Jews before the New Testament of which they don't accept or accept Jesus [b]knew that the Angel of Yahweh [s]or the Word of Yahweh or the Spirit of Yahweh [/s]was also Yahweh. These JWs don't read deep. They are only caged with their false teachings so as unaware of what Hebrew Scholars know about this.

You can do more research on this. This Scholar will help you start up your journey as regards this:

Dr. Michael Heiser.
Check him out.

Zechariah 3:2 ASV — And Jehovah said unto Satan, Jehovah rebuke thee, O Satan; yea, Jehovah that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?


There are many more like this to see in the Old Testament.

Also, follow Dr. Anthony Rogers. He is a Greek grammarian and titan on the Godhead concept even in the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures.

RussellRutherfo:
You don't deal with Jehovah Witnesses by avoiding them. You study more and go head on with them. They will be the one to avoid you as soon as they notice you know all their lies, history and also know the Word of God and can't be deceived by them. People like Janosky are usually sent out by their congregation to go and tackle people that they feel gives the average JW tough time but when I meet his time. They are usually small fries as pour over the lies in their materials and also bring out all my Bible translations, theirs in my possession, publications with their lies, etcetera.