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maximunimpact:
Na that imperfection umbrella funny pass

maximunimpact:
[s]That's to show how much they have been brainwashed!
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By the way, both MaxInDHouse & Janosky are now apostates from their ORGANISATION standpoint

They're not supposed to engage in endless arguements with "christendom" neither are they allowed to "reason bible together" with mentally ill persons, but they have broken the golden rule and now "mingling themselves with apostate views"

Don't be surprised in a year or two both will either be disfellowshipped or they'll simply resign, i've seen this play out many times in the past

achorladey:
Out of the abundance of his heart his mouth and fingers type. When shown his fictitious claim and plagiarist thief, he will run and hide under IMPERFECTIONS

true2god:
Why did watchtower call others ‘mentally ill’, ‘apostates’, ‘Harlots’ etc if they believe in religious freedom? Why is the watchtower organization not attacking Islam?

Gideon, Joshua, David, Samson, etc were all sent by God and were military men. Jesus healed the centurion’s (a colonel) daughter and never asked him to resign his job as a solider. What’s your point?

Read this book and clear your ignorant (Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich : Sectarian Politics under Persecution
by M. James Penton)

THEWRITERSMIND:
Understand what exactly

You are talking rubbish obviously thinking the fight is JWs vs other religions, Lols

I have seen more than 100 proof here that have underscored your organization as chronic liars.

It has always been Good vs Evil and never Organization vs Organizations

true2god:
Even if it explained to you 50times you would rather hold onto the watchtower narrative instead of independently looking into the scripture.

So you mean it is wrong to address the followers of Christ ‘Christians’ because it was onlookers that gave them the name. You are a Nigerian (if I am right), who gave the name ‘Nigerian’? If my mother call me ‘True2god’ and I have been known with that name for 2000 years, do you mean it is not acceptable before God because God didn’t inspire my mother to name me such? Think and think bro!

What is wrong with people calling you a name that can be identified with your leader? Show me where God condemned the name ‘Christian’ in the Bible.

The divine name of God is not Jehovah. The Jews never called God Jehovah in their over 4000 years of existence. Show me a single Jewish source (either the Torah or the Talmud) where they call God Jehovah. The Jews don’t have letter ‘J’ in their alphabet so your organization is ignorant of what they are pushing out as ‘Bible Truth’. The tetragrammaton (YHWH) has no letter ‘J’.

Jesus didn’t command his disciples to go out and be selling books to the public, or seeking for ‘voluntary donation’. Show me, from the Bible, where the disciples were selling books and soliciting for financial assistance while preaching to the people. Show me where they were writing down their preaching activities and hours spent on the field and same given to Jesus for appraisal.

Let me shock you, I have seen many JWs visit me drunk. Did Jesus ask his disciples to drink whisky before going for preaching work?

Most of them, especially in Nigeria, ended up poor and in debt.

It is not self-imposed because your organization passively forced them into the field with an utopian promise to escape the coming armaggedon. Most of them regret their poor decision at old age and I pray you won’t be a victim.

Irrelevant and diversionary.

achorladey:
Now you want to discuss the name again.

Which name are we to bear and suffer according to the first "governing body member" of Jehovah's organization aka Mr Peter aka deputy Jesus

Which name was it that that your current religious leaders say you should bear that shows you are a TRUE FOLLOWER of CHRIST?

What is the cursed bastardised and name given by confusionist doing in your books and correspondence since it is not the Divine name given by JEHOVAH

Finally......

After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians

Where and how does the word DIVINE PROVIDENCE get into the NWT.

Will you agree the name CHRISTIAN is a divine name as supported from the NWT you carry?

A. Yes

B. No

C. I choose to look elsewhere.

D. My post are UNREASONABLE

Thanks for telling us they are advised to drop. . That is what is REASONABLE to you. Simple they will be dropped from that assignment and all the privilege that comes with it goes as well. This one I said is UNREASONABLE

Your report is not just demands . You shall must show that the comment is UNREASONABLE. It is not just demand yet a member that misses one month goes under the tag IRREGULAR PUBLISHER.

Then, this your use of SELF IMPOSED captures why you need to learn to listen to others about the organization you belong. You can never tell what they have seen and read. You can only say something is self imposed when you know the history of it and even if you cannot look for it history reality tells you that any would-be member of the organization you belong must preach and report such field service for good 6 months or more to be considered ready for baptism. The reason you have the name UNBAPTISED PUBLISHER. Do you have anything of such in the Bible? Was Charles Russell reporting for Field service? Did Rutherford report his field service? Pe le ti e and self imposed palaver.

true2god:
You are the one who is lying or failed to understand the points the guy was making. I know you understood him but you have to play the JW games on him.


It is good to point out evil but you have no right calling me ‘mentally ill’, ‘apostates’, ‘harlot’, and other derogatory names, for my believe in the Trinity, the Holy Spirit as a person (and not an active force) and Yeshua as divine (as not an angel). Your organization call them bad names for holding onto these believes, which even your founding fathers (including Jaze Taze Russel) accepted as ‘Bible Truth’.

You are diverting bro! You are not dealing with kids here. You are creating a hypothetical and utopian scenario to drive home an irrational argument. Mind you, the world is not made up of JWs and ‘other Christians’. We have Muslims, Buddhist, African traditional religionists, Christians, etc in every country and in every sector of their lives. You are making a very dumb argument by rehearsing watchtower’s talking points.



You said RCCG pastors will bless weapon of war in both countries if there is a hypothetical war between Nigeria and Ghana? Show me a single instance where an RCCG, Deeperlife, Assemblies of God, Hose on the Rock, etc pastor bless a weapon of war.

Mind you the watchtower organization in Germany, during the Nazi regime, showed active support to the third Reich. Read your hidden history. Google watchtower and the third Reich.

You have been thoroughly brainwashed bro!

true2god:
This is not an admission that you understood what the guy was talking about. In case you want to divert, in your classic JW style, the guy said that you guy has given other Christian sect bad names like ‘apostates’, ‘mentally ill’, ‘harlot’ and ‘the great beast’. You have not addressed why your organizations has officially decide to give other Christian sects bad names and at the same time shout ‘Persecuted’. We have what we call ‘Religious Freedom’ in a secular democracy. You have no right calling other people who disagree with you bad names. This is evil and hypocrisy.




You have been thoroughly brainwashed [/b]bro!

Kingsnairaland:
lol don't worry we know at least this is the first time he is acknowledging God rather than the devil of a Governing Body or nonsense organization lololololol

maximunimpact:
JWs neutral in politics in the day but active at night

achorladey:
All I need is faith yet the same hands and fingers of yours keep asking Christians of all other Christian denominations to point to a better performing group

Where was your faith palaver before? Na your way and mode of operation be that.

I will remind you the essence that led me and you into this discussion this afternoon. Here it is below.....

There are reasonable questions that will make the listener think deeply and respond to the level of his knowledge. But when you're not specific with your quest you give your audience no option than to ignore you.
So if truthfully you want to discuss let me know the topic and purpose of your discussion by so doing you've prepared the mind of your listener already to know that there is something he/she is missing out. All what you've been doing on this forum is just to antagonize the JWs so how do you expect me to take you serious?


By now you should see that you will rather dance to the interpretation of your religious leaders than to what the scriptures says. So don't hide behind ANTAGONISM of the religious leaders or organization. When what is discuss don't sing the songs you like you yourself will turn it to ANTAGONISING your beliefs and organization

maximunimpact:
Incase anyone is wondering the contents of the attached Watchtower books and magazines below is a perfect examples of what you'll find


Will the men of Sodom be resurrected?

Watchtower 7/18/1879 p. 8 = Yes

Watchtower 6/1/1952 p. 338 = No

Watchtower78/1/1965 p. 47g = Yes

Watchtower7 6/1/1988 p. 31 = No

Live Forever (old edition ) p. 179 = Yes

Live Forever (new edition ) p. 179 = No

Insight, volume 2, p. 985 = Yes

Revelation book, p. 273 = No

achorladey:
Oga MaxInDHouse no fall my hand by choking on a simple question aided with many multiple choice to pick from. When you asked yours, the options were just Yes/No.

Pick one out of my options. Here it is again.....

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Your next topic is about God.

The below is also about the God you and I serve (my YES)

To MaxInDHouse who is a friend/neighbor of a madman, were, asinwin and asiere here on nairaland.

Here is another question as it relates to that God you and I serve( my Yes).

Is your God the one described below?

So God said to Moses: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.”+ And he added: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘I Will Become has sent me to you.’”.................NWT

God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”......NIV

A. Stay with my YES grin

B. Keep to your No grin and Deny the God you serve.

C. I won't continue chatting with a mad man grin.... MaxInDHouse.,2021

D. The question is UNREASONABLE grin

E. I keep mute/dumb cheesy

F. I look away.

G. Report to the mod for not calling you MAD/WERE.


Don't divert me to pharisees palaver. Pick your option. You gave me 2. I was kind enough to give you 7. Provide my answer. I did for yours repeatedly and stick to it.

The Hebrew language translation confirmed authenticity of NWT " I will become"

DUBIOUS alignment of John 8:58 to Exodus 3:14 is untenable.
Exodus 3:15, Acts 3:13 & John 8:38.

Achorladey na Polytheist.

BassReeves:
He admitted that:
'God is one being (a divine being) but with distinct persons.

Just as you and your earthly father is one being (human being or mankind), but you are a distinct person from your father.

This is the second time I’ve answered this question today.'

Bishopkingsley:
You said Christian Dom That what jehova witness call us any way since you denied them

There are some things I don't surport in your view like God is formless nope rather God has no limits next God the make up of God using lay man language is God is trinity

[s]Any other way God will appear will be based on this holy spirit projecting God notice when God spirit fell on Jesus notice Bible said the holy spirit rest on him like a dove

So any other dimension that God will show himself will be the holy spirit doing it not another new manifestation..


Now on spirit of a man God said he placed eternity in man's heart that prove man spirit is equally infinite... Now If man spirit is finite then we can't stay with God in eternity because our spirit will receive God to the point of us having limit then we won't receive any more from him since our cup is full...

No...

That why we have our cup over flow.. Continues because of the eternity we can stay with him forever and he will continue to fill our eternal heart for all ages

You are free to believe otherwise[/s]

BassReeves:
Daniel specified that he saw, while David said nothing of the sort, so you had to help David and the bible along inserting words into their mouths and making them say what you to believe in. Smh.

John 1:18
'No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]'

OR

'No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.'

1 John 4:12 a
'No one has seen God at any time.'

1 Timothy 6:16
'He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will.
All honor and power to him forever! Amen.'

Argue with the Bible

HISSCRIBE1995:
Is your own one God theory different from the church's version, yes or no?

Kingsnairaland:
JW is a cult not a church

They hate Jesus the same way Satan hate Jesus

All cult hate the name Jesus

HISSCRIBE1995:
Were you called by God to live a Jewish life (traditions of men) or the life of the son of God? Galatians 2:20
[20]I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Was It alcohol that christ turned water to or was it wine?
Which of the two is it?
(you might want to say alcoholic wine )

achorladey:
Added to this is they thinking God cannot make correction in other Christian denominations because they are the only religious ORGANIZATION God has dealings with

maximunimpact:
I stand with this

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

You can't be JWs more than governing body

Maximumimpact ,'Christian' who worships Jesus, says he can't stand with the words of Jesus @Luke 24:21,25 , & the inspired writings @ 2 Samuel 7:3-4, 1 Samuel 16:6, 1 Corinthians 15:12.

Bros, the evidences in your own Bible is telling everyone that you, Maximumimpact are a bigot.
Objectivity is far from you.

2 Samuel 16:6, Samuel made a false prediction.

2 Samuel 7:2-3, did Jehovah tell King David "do whatever your heart pleases"?
Is 2 Samuel 7:3-4, Jehovah's message to King David?

Luke 24:21, who made that false prediction?
Luke 24:25, what did Jesus call them?

1 Corinthians 15:12, some believers taught & believed a false doctrine.

Luke 24:21,25 ,2 Samuel 7:3-4, 1 Samuel 16:6, 1 Corinthians 15:12, the mistakes recorded by servants of Jehovah in your Bible is the same you accused Jehovah's servants of doing.

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maximunimpact:
Why do I need a GROUP when i can go down on my knees in prayer to My God and savior Jesus Christ!

I believe that Jesus died for my sins and through faith in the ransom sacrifice i am saved.

What else does it require?
D

maximunimpact:
Imagine JWs as-is is the only way to salvation it will be like asking me to climb the great wall when its obviously impossible to accomplish.

instead of derailing why not straighten this extract from watch-tower spiritual meal:

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

It must be tough giving up your own salvation in the hands of men who speaks from both sides of the mouth

That Bible in your shelf was written by men who spoke from both sides of the mouth.

Bros, is your eyes and heart open to admit that Matthew 26:31-35 is the very same accusations you made against JWs?

1 Samuel 16:6-7 , prophet Samuel prophecied from both sides of his mouth.
Bros, Roger that.


Matthew 26:31-35 We have confirmed it must be tough for you , Maximum impact putting up your own salvation in the hands of men, Bible writers who spoke from both sides of the mouth against Jesus Christ.

true2god:
Do you notice a pattern? Anytime they want to contradict themselves they use another arm of their publication. They will make a claim on their watchtower magazine and contradict same in Awake! magazine. These people are clearly taking their blind followers for fools.

true2god:
What thing about life is that we can never have shortage of fools and the watchtower authorities know this fact. Even if you present 100 contradictions in their own magazines they won't bulge. Why? Their loyalty is to watchtower organization and never to God. God cannot permit and tolerate brazen and boldfaced lies as always been peddled by the watchtower society.

maximunimpact:
You mean to say watch-tower lying machine vindicated you?


Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.

Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we neame ed outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981)

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

achorladey:
worshiping in the right place scripture for this?

Which group? Scripture for this?

maximunimpact:
Our next topic below house:

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

In light of the above quote from Watch Tower, putting into consideration of all predictions made by Watch-tower that have failed to come to pass do you think they true messengers of Jehovah?

The floor is open for discussion.....

KNOWMORE56:
"Anything" that possesses all the qualities of original gold is ORIGINAL GOLD!

If "Michael" has all the qualities of the true God, then He's the true God.

As simple as that!

achorladey:
Did you have another option before?

I thought you want to JAPA after attaining the position of Ministerial servants. Wetin hold you down for here? Enjoying meetings with faceless people and studying Bible with faceless people.

Imagine you on ZOOM during your meetings with that SUSPICIOUS mind that some amongst you are HYPOCRITE . What a feeling of loving, peaceful and joyful group to associate with it.

paulGrundy:
Guess what It's a lie..lemme give you a proof. Your "FDS" prided themselves in predicting the end of WW2.

"In 1942 the "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up." Watchtower 1960 Jul 15 p.444

If it had been the other way round, they would have screamed false expectations, can you now see the double standards/hypocrisy??



When the watchtower claims that all contained in it's literature is from Jehovah God and then in that same literature claims that the chronology that led to it's failed, now discarded prediction is from Jehovah, what sense do you make of that?

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327


"… this chronology is not of man, but of God. … the addition of more proofs removes it entirely from the realm of chance into that of proven certainty. … the chronology of present truth [is]… not of human origin." Watch Tower 1922 Jul 1 p.217

https://www.jwfacts.com/images/w68_1975.JPG

1 Samuel 16:6, Was Eliab anointed by Jehovah?
What sense do you make of prophet Samuel's FALSE Prophecy?

2 Samuel 7:2-4, what sense do you make of prophet Nathan's failed message ?
Did Jehovah command King David: "do whatever your heart pleases"?


Luke 24:21,25, what sense do you make of the disciples failed prediction?

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i stick to faceless social media!

Because it helps me know that there are so many associating with us but whose hearts are far away from us!

Emusan:
Paul claimed inspiration that is why you and your 8 men can agreed that Paul's writings are INSPIRED & infallible.



Paul didn't acknowledge TO BE PERFECT

But did Paul CLAIMED THAT HIS TEACHINGS AND WRITINGS not PERFECT after claimed to be INPSIRED?



Capital NO!

MY question: Did Paul later claim that His teachings and writings not perfect and fallible after claimed to be INSPIRED?



[s]Laughable Janosense!
No wonder you're so restless and deluded like your 8 men in Brooklyn [/s]