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achorladey:
wey say Jesus Christ lied @ John 3:16

Hahahahaha water never dry on the response you get on that post

In a nutshell you mean every JW are SINNERS and LIARS?

You know the answer already just look at your post I am responding to.

Achorladey is suffering from sifia pains

This is what you have been reduced to as you see how your ORGANIZATION'S ABSOLUTE truth becomes LIES

livingchrist:
You are all idolaters!
Eww such dirty and foul organisation

johnw47:
fraud jw janosky

big mumu, you alread made it clear that you believe the Holy Spirit is a "it"
that Father God is a "it"
but you duh one want to repeat it, kool

emkz:
Folks, I ask this question due to an earlier thread where it was reported that a pastor was jailed for defrauding a UK-based woman.

Is there any record in biblical text showing the Lord Jesus Christ collected tithe and offering?

What is the justification for it in modern-day churches if they are supposed to be modelled after Christ? Why are they emphasized in pecuniary terms (with many churches having envelops for tithes and offering).

I am not a Bible scholar nor a religious apologist nor am I a follower of Daddy Freeze (I am indifferent to him). I just want to understand why it is so important.

johnw47:
johnw47:


more than a fool replies to a post 8 years old
on page 1 of 13 page thread, to a person
not seen on this site since july 2015


the same greek word "pneuma" that is used for the Holy Spirit
is also used for Father God/a Spirit:

Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

so you fraud janosky say that Father God is neuter, a "it"


1Co_12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit(pneuma) of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost(pneuma).

truly God is not a "it", oh great spreader of lies

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

First things first, I refuse to join issues with JohnW who said he is foolish to reply to 8years old topic on this thread.

In the holy scriptures, Jesus Christ, Moses and pagan king Pharaoh knows that holy spirit is God's finger , ( Exodus 8:19 ,Luke 11:20,no finger has life independent of the owner. Is your finger a living person?),
Your 1 Corinthians 12:3 quote says "Spirit of God", the word "of",is a Preposition. Bros , go find out it's meaning in a sentence.
Also,Bros, go and argue with Moses, king Pharaoh and Jesus Christ.

drupleez:
Satan is in charge of this world

johnw47:
^^^
more than a fool replies to a post 8 years old
on page 1 of 13 page thread, to a person
not seen on this site since july 2015

Pro_26:12  Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Pro_29:20  Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
Ecc_2:14  The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness:
Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

Image123:
Selective amnesia worries most of you. Does a finger speak? Do you lie to fingers. So when God says a man is His battle axe, the man is no longer living?

Anas09:
According to you God lied by saying these?
Psalms 24:1 The earth and everything on it, including its people, belong to the LORD. The world and its people belong to him.

1 Corinthians 10:26 The Scriptures say, “The earth and everything in it belong to the Lord.”


Did the Lord Jesus lie when he said this?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Maximus, the Kingdom the Lord Jesus meant there has already come. It came on the day He was raised from the death. The Kingdom is the Church.
When He established that kingdom, he handed over the power which satan stole from Adam to His followers, the Christmas. And since then, we the Christians have been live in (daul parallel kimgdoms.
Jesus is the King of that Kingdom, the eternal High Priest.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Here is the Lord telling us about that dual kingdoms we as Christians will live in until he returns in person to rule for 1000yrs.

achorladey:
Anyone looking through that awake of 1970 will see how pages after pages the Catholic religious beliefs and policies were brought under scrutiny by your ORGANIZATION. They were using them as case study for how ABSOLUTE TRUTH becomes LIES.

Now

When your very [b]ORGANIZATION beliefs and policies are brought under scrutiny by other religious DENOMINATIONS using the JW ORGANIZATION as case study of how ABSOLUTE TRUTH become LIES.

Your response becomes


E dey pain am ,Achorladey sifia pains. Bros, quantirinu to Wail.

Where did you keep your FRAUD and WAYO stuff?

Emusan:
Anger! You must be describing your hopeless situation.



So when they were BORN OF SPIRIT they still remain as HUMAN until they received the promise of becoming spirit being at Resurrection.....

Your brain is actually paining you.

1 This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you WHO SHARE THE SAME PRECIOUS FAITH WE HAVE. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior. 2Pet 1:1 NIV

Do you SHARE the same precious FAITH with the apostles or not?

Once again 4 verse is for ALL THOSE WHO SHARES TJE PRECIOUS FAITH with them and if you don't everlasting fire is your abode.



Apostle Barristter07 the lying liar like his darling Daddy the devil.



You need your head examined!

Again, there is ONLY ONE TYPE of resurrection which is "SOWED IN HUMAN BODIES but RAISED in spiritual body"

What you sowed at Resurrection is what you raised, you can't sowed HUMAN BODY and raised SPIRIT BEINGS.

Get that into your empty skull.



Mediate on that John 1:12-13 you can tell that IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE in Jesus Christ everlasting fire is your abode and once you BELIEVE IN CHRIST EVEN IN HIS NAME you're BORN(REBIRTH) AGAIN OR by God Himself.



Yes spiritual body and that's the ONLY TYPE OF RESURRECTION, NATURAL TO SPIRITUAL.

So if you think the spiritual is what Jesus have definitely ALL BELIEVERS will have SPIRITUAL.

That's why I'm still demanding for the verse where it is stated that "SOWED IN NATURAL AND RAISED AS NATURAL"



Just like I said earlier, @living4christ has tutored you people on spiritual stuff, no time to waste time here.

You can refresh your empty skull on that.



Olodo oshi...

Now he has jump to Greek but if we start dragging him with Greek, you'll see him chicken out like his fake GB who translated NWT with absolute Zero of Greek understanding.

Of course after resurrection we're still HUMAN just as Christ is still HUMAN in heaven now.

But the point here is that God will reside with His people and leave your spirit beings people in everlasting fire because the verse says "Look! The residence of God is among human beings."

ogoamaka99:
@ Frosbel
Sorry, frosbel you are confused and you are writing to confuse others. What you are writing is an evidence that you are not a Christian as you have no relationship with the HOLY SPIRIT.. If not how can one who deny the HOLY SPIRIT claim to be a christian? Outside HOLY SPIRIT how can you know the BIBLE.
You may have been a christian but are now possessed with the spirit of error.So i advice you to go and read the following Scriptures- John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: [/b]but ye know him;[/b] for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you".
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the[b] Spirit of truth,[/b] which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, [b]he will guide[/b] you into all truth: for he shall [/b]not speak of himself; but whatsoever [b]he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Acts 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away [/b]Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 21:11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, [b][b]Thus saith the Holy Ghost, [/b]So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
Please answer me, can you use HE for someone that is not a person.?Can someone not a person give instruction? Can someone not a person say something? Please go and repent and stop deceiving people.

Barristter07:
" Finally , brothers , continue... to be readjusted " 2Corinthians 13:11 well done brother

achorladey:
The Scriptures gives us instances where Jehovah's servants practice and teaching stuffs contrary to the Scriptures

the same Janosky practice and teaching


Peter led some believers "astray" & deviated from "the truth of the gospel", is that the teaching of Jesus Christ


the same Janosky practice and teaching

achorladey:
I know rottennaija will definitely pick something to consign you as well

Here is where I am going though

Matthew 5:5, did Jesus Christ teach you that spirits will inherit the earth?

Emphasis on..........spirits will inherit the earth

Here is what your GB teach about Matthew 5:5 as captured in the image below

Oga Janosky who will inherit the EARTH?

A. Spirit

B. Flesh

C. Spirits and flesh

D. I decide to look elsewhere

Whatever option you choose put the GB and you in an interesting situation based on this question of yours..... Matthew 5:5, did Jesus Christ teach you that spirits will inherit the earth

How will one read the below image and not see LANDLORDS(144,000) and TENANTS( great crowd of OTHER SHEEP) situation unfolding.

Millions of others who do not have the heavenly calling TENANTS, however, will inherit the earth in the sense that they will be allowed (by the LANDLORDS) to live here forever in perfection, peace, and happiness.

brocab:
We don't witness to any JW-it's pointless to help them make a difference..

PaChukwudi44:
What brand of weed are you smoking?
JW is not even up to 3 centuries old.

DarkWritings:
Don't you think so? I think so! he has a heart of stone and he's hell bent on destruction!!

He loves war and chaos and he's looking for every opportunity to involve any country or nations or people into war with them, just that he didn't have so much of that opportunity.

He has a way of convincing people in confusion, see how he led so many Christians astray.. Unmhmmmm! Even the scripture says so, that the elect will be deceived!

We need to open our eyes to see who he really is!!

rottennaija:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12689869_greatcrowdheavenlywt1927jan15p20_png956f99ad9ab4db6147eb2b44397b52fa

https://www.nairaland.com/6157851/after-jesus-resurrection-body-flesh/67#96104348

With reference to the above WT teaching (now consigned to the dustbin in your kind words), when you say something is fact, it means "it is known or proved to be true." If it were not fact, then it wasn't true. WT religion lays exclusive claim to truth and being led by God's spirit, it says other religion are false. For such a religion to claims something to be fact and then decades later, it's follower and prime supporter dismissed such believes as "not having a proper understanding of Jesus teachings", begs the question, did the religion have God's spirit when they taught such as fact? Are they really faithful, discreet?

Let me tell you something my erudite Janosky , should you have a messenger who goes around tell people things, calling it fact or truth, demanding absolute loyalty to the message and destruction to those who question/reject it, but it later turns out from the track record of the messenger, that its messages have always have k-legs, you should really apply Psalm 146:3-7, 1 Thessalonians 5:21 and 1 John 4:1-6. Let me also let you on a big secret, your beloved religion and its' governing body is never going to ask to to test their message against the bible. Now ask yourself, if you meet a church goes who tells you his religious leader forbids him from investigating his religion, what impression will that leave you?

You asked citing Jn 16:16-18


The answer is no. Jesus disciples didn't understand everything he taught. But did they go around teaching people things they didn't understand calling it facts? When you do not understand or really know something, you call it your opinion, stating clearly that you don't have fact about it. When in the future, new pieces of information comes into play, you can incorporate such into what you already said. Obviously, you refrain from the use of the normal "light gets brighter" excused. But you should understand this about facts, truth and God's spirit...

Russell eloquently wrote in the WT article...

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

When you call something facts, you mean you know it to be truth.

However, as it turns out to be, based on current believes of your religion, it was not fact, it was not true or truth. If you are trying to use the excuse of not understanding at the time, how is the governing body of JWs faithful and discreet when they go about teaching things do they not "understand" as fact when it is not? Is it really discreet (wise) to ask for unquestioning loyalty to itself and it's teaching when they do not teach truth?

For example, despite clear departure from bible teaching and despite being reminded and told such teaching is from the devil and is false, they continue the falsehood that Jesus is not a mediator for millions even billions of humans (but only for a few selected people themselves inclusive), based on their false believes of heaven/earth dichotomy. This apostate, false teaching was introduced around the 1980s by WT VP Fred Franz. Since that time till date, it has been the duty of those whom the organization named tag "apostate" to teach JWs that such believe goes against what the bible teaches. In the future, a new governing body will track back to bible teaching that Jesus is the mediator for all humans, then, that time you will claim they did not understand everything.

Have you seen this WT article title "Changes That Disturb People" before? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101970282?q=Now+the+pope+and+our+priests+are+telling+us+this+is+not+the+way+to+believe+any+more&p=par

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12694343_changesthatdisturbpeople_jpeg5b891ed73d7e05a04b1958effc38a680

Using WT words, Ask your bible students, “how can you have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just 10, 20, 50 years ago, JWs believe they had the absolute truth, they put all their faith in this. Now the current governing body and the organization are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in 5, 10, 20 years?”



Scholar Jozzy4
Erudite Janosky
Emusan
achorladey
maxindhouse
Barristter07

Blabbermouth:
I don't swallow that, neither do LivingChrist.
He said that when your brothers keep peddling the error that angels are the same in everything as Jehovah, except some scepter of Authority that Jehovah is holding.

He wasn't sommersaulting, he was trolling your brothers' somersault all around the thread.

Blabbermouth:
Janosky, if thou art been here two days ago, your JW brothers won't have become a laughing stock.

It seems you are well aware that all flesh is not the same and all spirit is not the same.

achorladey:
That is to angels too are HE CAUSES TO BECOME WHAT THEY WANT TO BECOME

livingchrist:
so Jehovah is an angel
Chai!

livingchrist:
na wa, I thought they had one thought! So much for wayo one thought process see how they are contradicting themslves

livingchrist:
Jehovah witness org teaches that the name 'Jehovah' means he causes to become

Now, in another publication they stated that the ability for Jehovah to become anything he want fo do is a reflection of his own nature

But again they say ,Angels has same nature with Jehovah, which means Angels are Jehovah.

Cc blabbermouth, Emusan, anchorladey, rottennaija

rottennaija:
[s]Please my enlightened Scholar Jozzy4, tell me what were the facts, what were all the facts as seen below in this watchtower publication?



Emusan
achorladey[/s]

livingchrist:
authority and nature are not the same.
Nature is what something is, authority is the right to do something.
A son can be a president and be greater than his father in authority but both of them has same nature as humans.

livingchrist:
bro nah you talk am,
Angel and Jehovah get the same nature
So Jehovah has servant's nature?
Clown

livingchrist:
, Do you still need bible quotations after tons of scripture has proven your teachings as fraudulent over and over again.

Since Jehovah and Angels has nature then Jehovah automatically is an angel nah,
when Jesus took the form of a servant wasnt he a servant?
So when Angels and the resurrected take the true God's form, then they become true Gods like Jehovah nah is that one too hard for your brain again.

Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

livingchrist:
clown! You people are comic relief seriously, If Jehovah and Angels has same nature, then Jehovah is an angel.

Authority is not a nature, president has to do with position, but Godhood is not position but nature.
Godhood is a form just like humanity,

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:



So according to you people Jehovah is an angel.

DappaD:
Do righteous human beings and wicked human beings have the same nature, since they are flesh? There you go.