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shadeyinka:
I know that you wouldn't listen

Revelation 20:10,
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Argue with this scripture and explain how the unconscious devil, the beast and the false prophet were tormented day and night.

"As it was in the days of Noah", so the coming of the Son of Man would be", Matt 24:36-39.
Bros, says Jesus doctrine is not true.
Phil 3:19, 2 Peter 2:5-6, their destiny is destruction.
Bros, says Paul and Peter na lost dog.

The Bros says a lake of fire will torture a spirit creature, the devil.
Wetin fire fit do a spirit? Nothing !!

The Bros says fire will torture death.
Bros, is death an object?
Is death a spirit?
Is death a person?
What will fire do to death?
Absolutely nothing!

Hell /Hades/Grave is thrown into the lake of fire.
Are they objects, a spirit or persons?
Never !
What will fire do to hell, grave or Hades?
Absolutely nothing !!

"False prophets" in Revelation is symbolism too.
What will fire do to a symbolism?
Nothing !!

Rev20:10-15 "lake of fire" is a symbolism meaning "second death", byword for Destruction. (Compare Jude1:7.)..

The Greek (G928/930) word for "Torment/Torture" (basnistes/basanizo, Matthew 18:34. Revelation 11:10. 20:10 ) is synonymous with restraint and confinement, (same as Greek "Abyssos (abyss) "
The devil will be under restraint/confinement before his destruction.[/b]

[b]Hebrews 2:14 , Genesis 3:15 is the Devil's fate- Destruction.

sonmvayina:
I am asking what was the general belief in 400BC you are quoting what happened in 350 AD ...

You are man living in 400Bc..what was the general belief . give me old testament quotes..

Bros, since you may know, please proceed.. tell us.
There is no biblical evidence, the Hebrews had diverse believes about divine punishment in Noah's and Malachi's time.
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shadeyinka:
I said it and I am not supprised:
I said it:
As usual, you will ignore the two questions in RED and begin to regurgitate your memory verses




A lost dog who will not hear the hunters whistle...!

Yahweh made Adam & David from the depth of the earth, the same place they both returned. (Psalms139:13-15. Psalms 6:5.. Genesis 3:19. Psalms 86:13 will not save your Fraud.

Bros, your question have been answered , Hebrew tahtiyah the foundation of your False claim, means "depth",it doesn't change the meaning to compartments of hell.
Which compartment dey for grave ?
Did you not see the Screenshots of usage of Hebrew "Tahtiyah"?

It's very DUBIOUS of you to claim "depth of hell (grave)" means compartment while "depth of the earth" (Psalms 139:13-15. Genesis 3:19) you assign a different interpretation to Psalms 139:13-15.
Psalm 86:13 is the same meaning in Psalms 139:15.
Bros, your claim is FALSE and very DUBIOUS

shadeyinka:
I said it:
As usual, you will ignore the two questions in RED and begin to regurgitate your memory verses

You should at least answer the questions rather than evasion and doing cut and
paste.

BTW, you should have used an interlinear translation at least it will be free of doctrinal bias

Bros, Psalm 86:13-14 no dey your Bible again?

According to your claim, the Grave (hell) is compartmentalized, do you Bros,vagree that (Psalms 139:13-15, Yahweh had "woven you together from the lowest compartment of the earth?

shadeyinka:
There is no direct equivalence of Hades and Sheol

Sheol (HEBREW): is where everyone goes at death. It also has a section called the "lowest part of sheol"
Ps86:13
For great is your mercy towards me; and you have delivered my soul from the lowest hell (sheol)
Lazarus and the Rich man were both in sheol but Father Abraham says "an impassable gulf demarcates the two)
Lk16:26
26And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.

Hades(GREEK): is never reported in a positive sense unlike Sheol. It is always a place of torment with synonym like Gehenna.

Every man will go to Sheol but not every man will go to Hades.

Doesnt scripture abound for godly people going into Sheol?
Can you try and find a single place where it is reported that the righteous go to hades or Gehenna?

The "Rich man & Lazarus" story wey him own Bible called "parable" ,
Hades (Grave),is earth (dust), heaven is above, the Bros say dead people in the grave dey see everything in heaven .



Jesus NEVER preach Gehenna is a place of torture and torment.
Gehenna is not synonymous with man made Deception you call "hellfire".

You forget that Psalms 16:10 (Sheol, Grave) is synonymous with (Hades, Grave) Acts 2:27.
Have you forgotten that the dead were resurrected from Hades?
The Dead suffering your Fictitious torment and torture have they ever come out of your Fictitious hellfire?

color=#990000]"Every man will go to Sheol but not every man will go to Hades"
Story for the gods.
TUEH !

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shadeyinka:
Read what I wrote and don't ascribe erroneous doctrine to my name. Did I ever define Sheol as the place of torment?
Secondly, see how you jointly defined Hell, Sheol, Pit, Hades as GRAVE!

If SHEOL means strictly the Grave, does the Soul of man go into the grave or his body?
Ps16:10
10For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol the grave , nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

If SHEOL means strictly the Grave,
1. What is the lowest sheol grave?
2. Why did David say his soul was delivered from the lowest sheol grave?
Ps86:13
For great is your mercy towards me; and you have delivered my soul from the lowest hell (sheol)

As usual, you will ignore the two questions in RED and begin to regurgitate your memory verses

#1
Pulpit Commentary
Verse 13. - For great is thy mercy toward me (see ver. 5). And thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. The actual deliverance was from death (ver. 14); but death involved descent into Hades, so that those who were delivered from the one were at the same time delivered from the other. The expression translated "the lowest hell" means no more than "Hades which is beneath the earth." No comparison is made of one part of Hades with another"

Shadeyinka has assigned his own personal twists to the Psalms 86:13 Hebrew tahtiyah = depths.
Sheol/Grave no get compartment or department.
KJV translation gave the Bros a Twisted understanding.




#2
#1 explanation from the screenshot Evidence shows that #2 is unnecessary and pointless.

Emusan:
Jesus is human now in heaven, a flesh and bones is human.


The deluded JaNosense is here with his baseless and unconnected words.

Emusan sifia pains

John 17:4-5, Jesus Christ exposure of your Jesus human body in heaven, is your nemesis.

sonmvayina:
Forget about this new testament bull shiit, assuming we were living at the time of prophet Malachi..what is the general belief about the after life...

Do you really understand Matthew 24:36-39 & 2 Peter 2:5-6?

Is Malachi older than Noah?

Emusan:
Jesus is human now in heaven, a flesh and bones is human.



As you have lost your thinking faculty.

We will be patterned AFTER JESUS Glorified body
And again, 1 Corinthians 15:38 is to cure your delusion on that.



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John 17:4-5 ( compare1 Corinthians 15:44-45)
"4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed."

Jesus Christ confirms he is going back to receive the glory in the spiritual realm as a Spirit, shame on your False,LYING claim.
Mr LIENUS

shadeyinka:
You wont listen to true doctrine Except you are fed with deceptions as it comes from those at the headquarters.

Sheol is a general name for the place where people are domiciled after death.

Grave could mean literal grave/tomb- Under the ground or inside a hewed from the earth or rock or Sheol depending on the context.

Hades- is the Greek equivalence of Sheol and it could mean1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay
2. The Place Of The Punishment For The Wicked 3. Possibly As A General Term For The Unseen Realm Of The Dead

Gehenna- is the valley of Valley of Hinnom. An accursed place where some kings of Judah sacrificed their children. These later in history became a refuse dump that was continuously on fire.

Hell is not Lake of fire.

Sheol seems to be divided into two compartments. One is a place called Abraham's Bosom and the second compartment is Hell (a holding place for evil people). There is a gulf of separation between them.

[b]Lake of Fire - it is the final place of rejection of those who have rejected God. It will contain both Hell, satan and the fallen angels and everyone whose name is not in the book of life. The lake of fire is EMPTY as of now.
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Now, looking at your questions, your confusion is betrayed
1. Is Adam suffering everlasting torture in hellfire?
Who told you that Adam is in hellfire?
Gehenna- is a synonym for Hell or Hellfire or the literal valley of Hinnom.
I don't know where you took your doctrine from.

Abel died and yet his blood speaks, how?

2.Was any living person tortured forever in Gehenna?
Are you speaking of the literal Gehenna- or hell or Hellfire?

See how you muddle up context in simple asking of questions!

Matthew 24:36,37,39, Shadeyinka says Jesus doctrine is "Deception" & "is not true"
Bros , in the words of Jesus Christ:
"As it was in the days of Noah,so it will be at the coming of the son of Man"

They knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away (destruction)"
That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man" Matthew 24:36,39. 2Thess 1:7-9.
Bros, " as it was in the days of Noah" , which persons did God torture and torment in your hellfire ?


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Your lake of fire is under construction. Lake of fire is empty indeed .

Hades ,Sheol (Grave,6 feet deep) is the realm (world) of the dead.

Gehenna is not a synonym for hellfire. No correlation at all.
Gehenna is synonymous with destruction.
(Marry Matthew 24:36-39. 2 Thess1:7-9. Jude1:7 & 2 Peter 2:5-6. Romans 6:23. Phil 3:19.
Key word: Destruction of evildoers.
That is the only example set by God).

You teach Hellfire is a place of perpetual torture and torment.
Bros, 2 Peter 2:5-6, has God ever set an example (precedence) with perpetual torture and torment? Phil 3:19 Their destiny is what ?

CrazyMan:
Hell was created for Satan and other fallen angels who rebelled against God not man.

God's ultimate plan isn't to put man in hell but man is a free moral agent. Meaning man can make his own independent choice in life. We all have a choice to either follow God or join satan and his fallen angels in hell for all eternity.

So if you choose to join satan how does it make God a bad person?

God prescribed death/destruction as punishment for man/Satan (Gen 3:15,19. 2 Thess1:7-9. Romans 6:23. Matthew 24:36,37,39), una say God no know wetin Him dey do.
Issorait !

johnw47:
you said the Holy Spirit is a "it" and not a person
because the greek for Holy Spirit is "pneuma"

well the greek for Father God/spirit is "pneuma"
so is Father God a "it"? oh one of nairaland's bigest false jw mumu fraud's

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JohnW LIAR.
Greek for Father is patér.
Greek for God is Theos.

Lie lie FRAUD man.
Greek for spirit is pneuma.

johnw47:
The Holy Spirit is God:
Act 5:3  But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 
Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God

God is the Father and the Word:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Christians that have the Holy Spirit living in them
know that they have God living in them - the Father and the Word(become Jesus Christ) Living in them:

Joh_14:23  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Wacky post .

John 14:23, Did Jesus tell you holy spirit is God?
He didn't even mention holy spirit in that verse.

For your mind, God will leave heaven and dwell inside a foul mouthed JohnW bigot.
Even your fellow Trinity devotees are not safe from your foul mouthed rants.
Triune 3 spirits idol worshipper.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.

OLAADEGBU:
Translation

And it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful. And they took for themselves wives from any they chose. And Yhwh said, "My spirit will not remain with man indefinitely, in that he is flesh; his days will be one hundred twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—whenever¹ the sons of God went in to the daughters of men, who bore to them children. They were the mighty men of antiquity, men of renown.

Continue reading here

The same expression "sons of God" , (bene Elohim in Hebrew)" is @ Job38:4-7, Job1:6, Job 2:1, meaning "angels".

Wetin concern pagan mythology & Holy scriptures?

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://media./images/c140420a1d306e8985d809ba56087e00/tenor.gif[/img]
Please you both don't make me laugh.

Motor emits smoke, you dey lie say the Smoke is the Motor

Bros continue dey laugh at yourself.

MuttleyLaff:
I said it before nah that the more you look, the less you see, lmso. "projected, protube & youtube" ko, "projected, protube & youtube" ni

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/11/82/7c/11827cb74c0f17e6da44e97d4b1e8b0c.gif
"Exerchomai" à la carte (i.e. Emanate)

You shot yourself in the foot by pasting screenshots of how the Greek word "exerchomai" is clearly described in the Thayer's Greek Lexicon screenshot(s) to mean:
1) to go or come forth of
1a) with mention of the place out of which one goes, or the point from which he departs
1a1) of those who leave a place of their own accord
2b) to come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of
2d) to come forth (from privacy) into the world, before the public, (of those who by novelty of opinion attract attention)
2e4) to come forth
2e4a) emitted as from the heart or the mouth
2e4b) to flow forth from the body
2e4c) to emanate, issue
2e4c1) used of a sudden flash of lightning

Even your pasted https://www.dictionary.com/browse/emanate?s=t screenshot vindicates me, lmso
1/ Emanate
verb (used without object)
- to flow out, issue, or proceed, as from a source or origin; come forth; originate.

2/ Emanate
verb (used with object)
- to send forth; emit.


You cant flow out from yourself. You cant proceed out from yourself with your body being a source or origin. You cant come forth from yourself. Only one Being can do all of these and its God, lmso. You cant send yourself and be in more than one place physically at the same time, lmso. Only one Person, is able, capable and easily can do that. It is God, lmso.

What comes forth, EMANATE from The Source is a product.

That Product is NOT the Source.

For example, the proposal EMANATE from the Committee.
The Committee is the Source .
The Proposal is the product.

Muttley GIBBERISH/ FALSEHOOD claims that the proposal is the Source.

River Niger flows out from Mount Futa Jallon ,(the Source ) but Muttleylaff DECEIVES himself that River Niger is Mount Futa Jallon
The FALSEHOOD of Trinity laid bare.
Muttley DECEIVING himself

brocab:
You are deafeningly dancing with the devil-this is a sure factor-you are reading the wrong bible-anybody that believes-can truly understand the simple things in life..
When we are married we are no longer two but one-even a child could find this simple to understand. Jesus preached just as His Father directed Him too-being on the same page together-they are of one Mind one soul and one Spirit in all..
Just like you-dancing with the devil-you become hand in hand together-preaching the same message in no-mans land.

brocab:
"Jesus is the High Priest, and the lamb and that same God

"God Almighty Jesus preached just as his Father directed him".

Bros, your brain well ?

shadeyinka:
Jesus taught more about hell than anyone else in the scriptures.
If some people at the headquarters says Jesus is wrong and they are believed, how great is this delusion!

Is Adam suffering everlasting torture in hellfire?
Was any living person tortured forever in Gehenna?
Since una no agree to learn SENSE from Jesus Christ teaching @ Matthew 24:36-37,39
@ 2 Thess1:7-9,
Continue DECEIVING yourselves

IntersexSherry:
Love should start from the family. Was my family even together? All i saw was my mum keeping conflict with all her siblings and telling us not to communicate with any of them.
My mum and dad always fighting and we the kids rushing out to separate.
My dad cheating on my mum severally, doesn't even bring money for anything in the house. My mum always complain to us how she regrets marrying him . She was the bread winner in our family. She is strong and independent.
Wish they paid more attention to their kids especially me.
Then we go to school? All the bullying i faced from other kids there, i was strong too like my mum so i never let their bullying win over me.
Though you may ignore bullies but they can really damage someone's mental health.
My childhood was no fun, all i did was study just to pass grades.
There comes my elder brother who also bullies me at home too.
Hanging out with family and friends? No
Partying? No
Dating/having sex? No
I lived like a nun, was in so much isolation. This was when i learnt to start isolating myself.
Then i found out am intersex, another big problem in my life. I had to drop out of school due to the bullying i faced for being different.
My mum had to tell me to leave, she couldn't bear to keep on seeing me like this. At least my mum and younger bro were the best people that ever happened to me.
I left home long time ago, started surviving in this cruel world alone looking so androgynous. Everyone would stare at me wondering ''is that a girl or a boy"
Difficult for me finding a job or making good social relationship. Everyone was confused about my gender.
So then i had to stick to the female gender i identified with the most then most of the bullying and society stigmatization became less.
I still need to do lot of surgeries on myself but so far am still thriving.
It been hell so far and loneliness.

The disjointed background you're from, has messed with your head and self identity/esteem.
It is convenient to attach any label to console yourself.
You're still not sure who you really are?

You have to conduct discreet investigation to get solid proof that the so called Mom, the single man & only girl child are not fiction.... For the sake of your sanity.

Better confide in your Mother now in case of....

Do you know his friends and family members?
(I don't mean those who claim to be & interact with you to convince you...)

Don't commit the Gross error to go visit them alone, better meet them with (in company of 2 of your friends ) in a public place where all eyes can see you.
I dey draw your ear sounding this warning

johnw47:
[s]fraud jw janosky
u r a confused know nothing/no understand anything liar, of course
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i see, so God's finger is a "it"
and God's eyes are a "it"
[s]God is a "it"

such a confused fraud jw:
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[s]you false jw's constantly twist and make a mockery of God's word
your constant twisting is nothing more than constant lying:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

God is a living spirit person/being.
His eyes and finger are not living persons.
Confused JohnW Fraud.

johnw47:
[s]fraud jw janosky
you satans mob would rather stay in your lies
than admit to the truth:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.[/s]

More twisting & GIBBERISH.

johnw47:
[s]very great big fraud and twister of God's word, false jw janosky
yes i took note of the preposition "of", it's speaking of the Spirit of God
not the spirit of an angel or human

and God is not two: "Father and His Spirit" as you falsely teach
God is One, and God is a Spirit, God is not the Father and the Spirit of the Father.
God is the Father who is a Spirit


God is one
Mar_12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

God is a Spirit
Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



you false jw false prophets(and we know of your many false prophecies) are of course false jw teachers:

false prophets:
Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 

false prophets false teachers:
2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.[/s]

Twisting & GIBBERISH as usual

tytachile:
I'm sure want to hear the story of emperor Constantine and Catholicism as state religion then I won't be gibberish again. hahahahah I laugh you well well. no be me and you your brain too small to know God!

tytachile wey know God is afraid to tell us what Jesus Christ told him about Almighty God in John 20:17, John 17:3 & John 14:28.

Bros T ,

chatinent:
It is unfortunate you'll have a problem understanding easy things.

No mind the Muttley Bros posting GIBBERISH he "projected, protube & youtube

MuttleyLaff:
"... Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving"
- Isaiah 6:9b

Have eyes but do not see, have ears but do not hear. The more you look, the less you see, lmso

Janosky, seriously I half expected you quoting John 14:28's “My Father is greater than I am” instead of the John 10:18 you are trying to make a non existed point with, lmso.

Watch this Janosky. If you Janosky, miraculously have the power and ability to remain being Janosky and at the same point, in time, you "
[/[b]s]exerchomai" (i.e. you projected, protruded,[/b]
[s]externalised) yourself out, to become still remaining being your self, but in the external form of a son (i.e. Lil' Janosky) who is co-existing with you. Now tell me, Janosky, in spite of the phrase: "like father, like son", who in your understanding and in regards of conventional wisdom between Janosky, the father and yourself coexisting in the form of your son Lil' Janosky, is greater, lmso? From who, does you, yourself as Lil' Janosky, have authority to do whatever?

You see to fulfil all forms of righteousness, sons are submissive to fathers. They give in to the authority and will of fathers. Sons are influenced by their fathers, hence why fathers are greater, lmso. In this case, though Janosky, the father and Lil' Janosky, the son, are the one and same person, you, Janosky, as the father, is greater than, you, Lil' Janosky, as the son.
Capisce now? lmso.[/s]

Bros, today, once & for all time, the truth must bury this FRAUD you always call "projected ,protube" & youtube

Greek Exerchomai= To EMANATE, to issue"

Greek "Exerchomai" has ZERO affinity to Muttleylaff "projected , protube"
In the screenshot Evidence, make una wear goggles and point out "projected, protube" wey Muttleylaff post dey claim.



Muttley GIBBERISH projected everywhere.
For the same reason Isaiah 6:9b fulfill on him head

lopsoj:
the doctor says it can take the mother's life....

Doctors are human,them no be God Almighty, Yahweh Ha Elohim.
Almighty God has the final say.
Pls, Cry out to your Maker "to Prove to be what He shall prove to be", to your unborn baby, to your wife and to you.

Isaiah 59:1, Exodus 33:19. Psalms 128. Psalms 66:18-20.

May Divine Mercy& Favour prevail, to the glory of Yahweh.

MaxInDHouse:
Control is about the majority!
People vote for whom they want as ruler, if we're to go by people's attitude, Satan is the ruler of the world because 99.9% is always on his side.

Brother Max, are you a Pastorpreneur, gods of men ?
How will they pay heed when you are not one of them gods?

Zzor:
hmm

Philippians 4:6-9.

Shalom

Zzor:
I grew up mostly in the church, I was that child participating in several church activities, I loved God and Godly activities but ever since I grew up into a full grown woman, it has been a battle for me between worldly activities and Godly activities, I always feel dragged, like the devil is after me and also God wants to use me. I always encounter problems each time I go weird and worldly but always run back to God, my life has been like this for long now. I want God to take full charge of me, I'm so down and confused. Happy Sunday to you all

The war of sinful flesh (untamed raging hormones of youth) vs Godly devotion influenced by God's holy spirit.


Galatians 5:16-25 , Matthew 6:9-15. 7:7-8. Philippians 4:6-9.

Shalom

DeOTR:
How do you plan to steal a gaze at someone in an unapproachable light? The Glory makes Him invisible, not that He actually is. Jesus Christ is now in His glorious body and now immortal, but He's not invisible, that's why Revelation 1:7 says, Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Every eye can not see the invisible One.
And for the record, Pneuma and Ruach mean, air, breath, wind, and not used in the context of invisibility.

Bros, no !
Every eyes will see his execution of righteous judgment, but Jesus and the angels would be invincible
2 Thess 1:7-9