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Kingsnairaland:
What did Jesus mean by that? Simple. He tells you in the previous chapter. The servant is not greater than his lord. He that is sent is not greater than him that sent him. You see this scenario? This is exactly how we are going to figure out exactly what Jesus meant.

Now, let me ask you. Is Jesus the servant or is Jesus the lord? Remember, the servant is not greater than his lord. Or is He greater than Him that sent Him? So I will ask you again, is Jesus the servant or is Jesus the lord?

Now, what did Jesus say before? John 13:13 (New King James Version) says, "You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am."

You call Me master and lord, and you say well, because that is what I am. But wait a minute. Jesus also said, "The servant is not greater than his lord." So is Jesus the servant or is Jesus the lord? Answer: Yes. He's both.

Kingsnairaland:
What did Jesus mean when he said, "My Father is greater than I"?



What did Jesus mean when he said, "My Father is greater than I"?

Let's give a biblical explanation. First, we won't use the weak explanation that Jesus was simply talking about His flesh nature or human nature. That is a weak explanation to use. We are going to use the word of God in the Bible to explain it.

John 14:28 (New King James Version) says, "You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you.' If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father,' for My Father is greater than I."

Kingsnairaland:
There is nothing that can make you understand the mystery of godliness
As long as you don't understand how you yourself are a trinity

NNTR:
So you rather aim for the leg or foot and kick them, as opposed play and kick the ball, hmm?

Suspect you've just stumbled on the phrase '... trying to be clever by half ...' as you soon will continue to use it

To the best of your understanding and considerable knowledge, dignify me please the sum of what God and/or god means in the context of Hebrews 1:8-9? (i.e. leave no stone unturned)

Thank you in advance for your humble, honest, mature and sincere answer

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Please open the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible at Psalms 45:6 & Hebrews 1:8 and realize the folly of your claims.
You have been deceived by the Trinitarian rendition of Hebrew 1:8.
This fact was exposed in the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible.

GothamCities:
Only demons talk like this.

johnw47:
they write dark sentences

small example:

^^ no light in that, just a never ending babble of lies and abuse, continual darkness

Gothamcities & John W MUMU Low IQ Dunce.

LYING miscreants wedded to IBERIBEISM and delusion.
Just negodu these retards

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool

lost fraud jw janosky

you fearful false jw's are forever running away from the truth and replying with the same old confused babbel and lies, of course:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

Wetin concern Revelation 1:1 with your misquote of Revelation 21:8 & 20:15 & 1 Corinthians 14:33?
John MUMU W dunce

johnw47:
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false teacher, lost fraud jw janonsense[/s][s]
what a lot of twisting and confusion, of course:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


@ rev 1:1, Jesus Christ didn't give the revelation to angels who in return gave the reveltion to the seven churches in asia, as you lie and say
@ rev 1:1, Jesus Christ gave the revelation to His Angel (not angels) who gave it to john (not to the seven churches) to show the things that will happen (prophecy):

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, 


false jw, concerning the messages to the Churches in ephesus and smyrna etc.
it is john who wrote to the seven churches, telling of what Jesus said, (it wasn't angels sent by Jesus)
Jesus messages to the churches was partly about their condition, How Jesus is not happy with some things they are doing, but happy about other things:

Rev 1:11  saying (to john), "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Captain4Jehovah:
Yes. What about the bolded?

johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


confused fraud jw janosky

u dum dum call elderly person "kid", of course;

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

John W dunce ADDING delusion to his WEREY.
You & that kid you support,una MUMU break speedometer.

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

i don't have trinitarian godfathers, but of course you can never stop lying like your father the devil:


Jesus is a messenger for His Father

Jesus/the Word, made all that is made which includes the angels,
God and the Word made man

Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

gen 1:26 "Let Us make man in Our image"


lost false jw, no need blaspheming the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all over the place, you are lost from the very first time:


i don't have 3 deities/3 gods, and neither is the Christians Father and Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible
3 deities/3 gods, but you clearly love repeating your lies and blasphemies:

The Bart Ehrman Blog
https://ehrmanblog.org › pauls-vie...
"Jesus as an Angel
But where does it say that Jesus was an angel before he was born on Earth? ... And yes, church Fathers did indeed talk about Christ as the Angel of the Lord."

topicsinbiblicalstudies.com
https://www.topicsinbiblicalstudies.com › ...
Jesus identified Himself as the angel of the Lord - Topics in Biblical Studies
31 Jul 2024 — "Jesus identified Himself as the angel of the Lord when He said that the Father had given Him the Father's name, when He said that the Father was in Him."


John W LYING miscreant ,3 screenshot evidences against you.

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

whether angels witnessed the creation of man or not, they did not make man with God, the Word did
"Let Us make man in Our image"


dum false jw, the Word made the angels and everything else that was made:

Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 

so does man, but man never made man either oh dum dum

talk about a mumu dunce, you are the king of all, aren't you oh false accuser like your daddy the devil:

Your Trinitarian godfathers believed that Jesus Christ is an ANGEL OF THE LORD JEHOVAH , Genesis 16:7.
Screenshot evidence in agreement with Psalm 103:20 & John 14:24, Jesus Christ an angel DOING & SPEAKING the words and command of Jehovah God his Father like other angels sent on a mission.)
Jesus Christ is an angel & morning Star alongside other sons of God who rejoiced at creation.

Jehovah God @ Job 38:7. Job 2:1. Job 1:6 OMITTED your 3 deities invented at Nicene.

John W MUMU Dunce no want him brain to function.

Sand2022:
Don't forget that the given authority is during Jesus incarnation. People do miss the fact that Jesus performed two functions, one as human for the salvation of man, and one in his Divinity. During Jesus Christophany, as we see in the Old Testament, Jesus doesn't come at that time as if he was given authority by God. He came as God intoto. Consider his appearance to Adam and his wife. Did you see Jesus then saying, God told me to tell you? He came as God. Even Jehovah's witnesses acknowledged that Jesus may have been the one appearing then.

I think Jesus Redemptive role is what people mistake and I see why many see it that way, I saw it so before.

If we read the praise given to Jehovah at Isaiah 6:1-3, we will think the person on the throne is God the father right? But John 12:41 tells us that Jesus was the one there. So don't confuse Jesus Redemptive role with his Divinity.

John 5:43. (Compare judges 6:11-23 & Psalm 103:20.
"I have come in the name of the Father"

Isaiah 6:6-8. Psalm 103:20 & Judges 6:11-23, are these scriptures making the strong evidence that Jehovah always sends an angel to do his bidding and command?
@ John 5:19, did Jesus make the same point?

Even the Address wey Minister for Education read for UNIAbuja Convocation, the news story is "President Tinubu said.....".
Is the Minister for Education President Tinubu?

Oga, you don't have to like janosky but I must say what is in your own Bible you don't want to hear .

johnw47:
truly as dum as they come lost fraud jw janosky, God said "Let Us make man in our image" to the Word
and not to angels, angels created nothing with God

the angels cheering at the creation of the earth is nothing to do with God saying "Let us make man in Our image"

johnw47:
Gen 1:26  Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image,

johnw47:
truly most dum and lost fraud jw janosky

Yahovah didn't make man with the holy angels
yahovah made man, and all of creation with the Word/Jesus Christ Who is the image of God:

Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

2Co 4:4  in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


false jw, what a confusion you make of scriptures, which you don't understand,
the angels cheering when the earth is being created is not to do with gen 1:26,
which is God saying to the Word: "let Us make man in Our image"

Job 38:1,4,7
"Then Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Bible Evidence 1:
Did Jehovah say that your 3 deities rejoiced @ Job 38:4-7?
Bible Evidence 2:

Did Jehovah hold a meeting with your 3 deities @ Job 1:6 & 2:1?

From Genesis to Revelation,Not even one record of Jehovah holding meetings with your 3 deities,
John W MUMU Dunce

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

you people sure love to deny the Word/Jesus Christ,
and because you don't understand scripture, you contradict God's word all over the place


Gen 1:26  Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image,

God did not say; “Let us make man in our image", to other spirit beings dwelling in the spiritual realm
God said; “Let us make man in our image", to the Word, Whom He made all things through:

Joh 1:3  God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.

Joh 1:10  He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 
Col 1:16  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 
Col 1:17  He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Mat_10:33  But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven.

1Jn_2:23  Anyone who denies the Son doesn’t have the Father, either. But anyone who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Kingsempires:
They can't answer the question because they know that they are contradict the bible if jesus was the first creation that is why the bible call him first born son.so why did God say he will make david the first born son so they are trying to tell me that God has two first born sons.i am waiting for their answer

Kingsempires:
:oLike i ask on this thread are you jws under christianity or another religion or your own.the bible called Jesus first-born son\col 1:15/and let me caught you now i know so christian have not come across this part in the bible.psa89:26-27 :he will sayto me,you are my father and my God;youare my protector and saviour(27)i will make him my firstborn son,the greatest of all kings.so my other question to jws is that if you people say that Jesus was created because the bible mention that he is the first-born son.so why did God say to david that he will make him the firstborn son?i don't know whether you jws have come across this part in the bible.so please give me a clear answer.mat28:19 go,then,toall people everywhere and make them my disciples baptize them in the name of the father...

Oga, second born and last born would not be creatures ,going by your faulty logic about first born
Is the first born of every child,a child?
Yes.
Jesus the first born of every creature is a creature.


From Genesis to Revelation,did your own Bible use the term "BORN" to reference God our Father?
No !

Jesus is first born of God, Hebrew 1:5.
Eve the woman is last born of God @1 Corinthians 11:3, The hierarchy is there in your Bible.
Psalm 90:2 God BORN the mountains.
Born (Hebrew yalad) @ Psalms 90:2 meaning create.

Steep:
How can God be created? Are you hearing yourself

Kingsempires:
Anybody that is using the bible and saying Jesus is not God am sorry for that person.what was john 13:31 explaining?

Oga,You want pretend as if John 7;16 & John 14:24 & John 17:4-5,22 is missing from your Bible.

For instance, your Son you sent was glorified (applauded) for his diligence and obedience, are you his Father glorified that you have a diligent and obedient son?
John chapter 17 verses 4 to 5 & verse 22 , Jesus Christ did not support your faulty claim.
The same glory is for Jesus, the disciples and God our Father. Nah Jesus talk am. John 17:4-5,22.

Kingsempires:
Oga no border yourself i don caught them if your see what i wrote up there You will see i don caught them

Steep:
The father is greater than Jesus in position based on the fact that Jesus took a lower position (Phil. 2:7) not in his divine essence which is same with the father.

Steep:
You don't see the contradiction in your statement. How can the Jehovah be the only true God and yet there are other smaller ditties?
If the Jehovah is the only true God does that not make every other god a false god?

Oga,No contradiction except in your imagination
Deuteronomy 10:17 (compare Joshua 22:22)
For Jehovah your God, he is God of gods, and Lord of lords, the great God, the mighty, and the terrible, who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.

Oga Steep, is there the word "false" in the Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 10:17?
No

Jehovah the only true God is the God of gods.
His sons are gods, Psalms 82:6.

Jehovah's sons are gods.
Matthew 4:8-10, do NOT worship his sons.
Oga, You are making unreasonable argument in a futile bid to circumvent the holy scriptures.

gohf:
Maybe that's why people can believe and worship someone called Olumba Olumba as their god and Messiah because they believe God will come in the flesh to be worshipped

gohf:
"by him all things were created" meaning someone used him to create other things and that's understandable seeing that Jesus is the word of God and God created the world through his word. Abi?


Exodus 20 God spoke, He YHVH is God and there is none like Him nor should we have any besides Him.
Was He lying?

John 1:3 like I said, it still didn't call him the creator but the means by which the creator made what was made. For example I can't send you this message without a phone, network, data, technology etc. I used this to reach out, do you understand.



so you do understand and by the way the subject here isn't the divinity of Jesus but if he is God. Of course there is only one God and then only one mediator and son, Jesus Christ.


What exactly did I write or quote, anyway I am certain I wrote and you read that Jesus is at the right hand of God and not that Jesus is God.

Saying that because Jesus did what God can do makes him God is like saying everyone from Moses to Elijah is God. Do not forget to read verse two that it is God who appointed Jesus to that very position and not Jesus himself.


not surprised you do not understand the humility of Jesus



I don't recall the said scripture, what I do know is that representing God doesn't make him God, just as representing Jesus doesn't make me Jesus

johnw47:
giving false prophecies and false date settings is not the religion practising what Jesus taught:
Mat 7:15  "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

How 1919 is Derived; jwfacts..com

Portentous emphasis is placed on 1919, this being the year that Jesus is said to have chosen Watchtower and its Governing Body to represent him on earth. Yet, the minimal Scriptural backing Watchtower uses to support this year is both flimsy and illogical.

1919 is described as a time of spiritual deliverance, the year the Watchtower Governing Body were appointed as the faithful slave.

"Since 1919 of our common era, the slave has been put in charge of some belongings of Christ." "In Whom Do You Trust?" Mar 2018, Gerrit Lösch jwb.201803-2.v
“The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.” jw.org 2012 Annual Meeting Report

"Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation." Revelation - It's Grand Climax (re) p.184

"His eye has been upon them constantly since their spiritual deliverance in 1919." Watchtower 1994 Mar 1 p.17

Jehovah's Witnesses are told they cannot understand the Bible without the guidance of the 'faithful slave" that was chosen by Jesus in 1919. No scripture is referenced in many of these mentions of 1919, and Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to accept that the basis for the year 1919 has been explained elsewhere.

Is there Scriptural support that the year 1919 holds prophetic significance? The basis of 1919 relies almost entirely on Revelation chapter 11. Revelation 11 describes "two witnesses," a period of 1260 days, a period of 3 1/2 days, and great fear for the nations.

Revelation 11
"3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.” ...
7 the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them. ...
9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues* and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days ...
11 After the three and a half days, spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them.

The following outlines the steps Watchtower uses to justify why Revelation 11 applies to itself and Jesus' selection of its Governing Body in 1919. The bullet points identifying how each is a failure in logic. (Note that some of this reasoning changed in 2013, which will be discussed later.)

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

i don't have pastorpreneur's, god's of men, false prophets, or false teachers
but you fraud jw's cannot ever stop lying, just like your father of lies the devil:

johnw47:
lost fraud jw janosky

i don't have pastorpreneur's, god's of men, false prophets, or false teachers
but you fraud jw's cannot ever stop lying, just like your father of lies the devil:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

of course many of those lies and false accusations you accuse others of are true of you oh false accuser , again like your father the devil:
Rev_12:10  Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

you people claim to be Jehovah's witness, yet when you lie like this all over the place
you make Jehovah Who you say you witness for, to be a liar

you people don't witness for Jehovah.
with all your lies, you are the devil's witnesses

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

FxMasterz:
He made a fantastic point. That was what I eventually discovered after I challenged you. You truly don't abuse them, you simply tell them what their brains peddle according to their own words. The JWs are just a filthy lot with very abusive tendencies, yet they're the best of performers.

FXMasterz & his WAILING WAILERS Commune "are just a filthy lot with very abusive tendencies"
FXMasterz that is your stock in trade.

Ozuo pro max, gerrouta here.

GothamCities:
This is exactly how Freemasons talk. You just confirmed to us now that you're a Freemason.

I'm most probably older than your father. So, I have seen life much more than you do.

johnw47:
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:
Mat 7:15  "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.


about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife dot org

Joseph Rutherford

Joseph F. Rutherford became president upon the death of
Russell and led the organization until 1942. Under his
leadership, it grew quickly.
In 1931, Rutherford changed the name of the organization
to Jehovah’s Witnesses. In the early days, they were known as
Russellites, Millennial Dawn People, and International Bible
Students.
Rutherford predicted that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
would be resurrected in 1925 and he built them a mansion —
which he occupied when the patriarchs didn’t show up!
Rutherford was an alcoholic.

^^ russell a immoral false prophet and a proven liar, and rutherford a alcoholic false prophet
started the sect which is known as Jehovah's witnesses, and persons follow this group still today

johnw47:
studying the Bible with so called Jehovah's witnesses is studying the Bible with false teachers/false prophets:
Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

about the so called Jehovah's witnesses; wayoflife..org


False Prophecies

“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the
word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet
speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not,
nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not
spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou
shalt not be afraid of him” (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).

Jehovah’s Witness leaders have marked themselves as false
teachers by their false prophecies.