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MaxInDHouse:
Did Jesus' teaching stop all people from doing the wrong thing?

NO!

But as many as those OBEYING him these are the ones who will have everlasting life. John 3:16

So whether the world OBEY Jesus or not i and my household will forever remain OBEDIENT to Christ Jesus!

impeccablephili:
Please read more on IVF and artificial insemination, and know the difference before you come and continue the argument. You are confusing artificial insemination with IVF. IVF is what is used in surrogacy.

achorladey:
Your werey peddling brains is controlling your fingers now from Jehovah's witnesses said to 1 Timothy 3 confirmed.

Your werey peddling brains mixed up with wailing peddling won't allow your mumu and no get sense peddling to get headway .

achorladey:
Lies and manipulations na their area of expertise. They know in their quest to manipulate so many things they get stucked in some areas where they go silent or refuse to discuss it

He said they put spirit in footnotes

What is the spirit doing in footnote when it was written clearly in the original. Manipulators and liars na their way

achorladey:
Agenda must be created and supported using any means available including inaccurate rendering.

impeccablephili:
Also surrogacy is different from artificial insemination

achorladey:
It is Jehovah's witnesses that said 1 Timothy 4:1 is the inspired word not the Bible itself. That's what we have been saying but your werey peddling brains cannot comprehend it despite how big we make it so you can see and comprehend.


You see your werey peddlings, peddling wailings up and down over the manipulations and lies of Jehovah's Witnesses about 1 Timothy 4:1 now

achorladey:
That's why wailing and wailers peddling cannot depart from you because the very same thing you do that you declare yourself righteous is what others do and you declare them unrighteous. I know your werey peddling brains cannot process because it is too jammed with lies and manipulations laced with self righteousness

achorladey:
Too many werey peddling disturbing this one.



When you cannot remove the rope attached to the neck of that your religious organization and its leaders the next step is to ask questions you know you cannot answer




I can only blame this on your werey peddling brains loaded with lies and manipulations by your GODS of men housed in USA. Your kingdom interlinear and their kingdom interlinear used spirit. You said your religious organization put it in footnote and you started defending lies and manipulations of the scripture and their cooked ideology and school of thought why they did so



Just like I said above, your werey peddling brains cannot answer the question above when I said religious organizations your werey peddling brains cannot process it.



Since Janosky aka JaNosense have a werey peddling brains that cannot tell which religious organization Achorladey belongs

Michael547:
Below is 1 John 4:1 in the screenshot below.
Is the rendering of NLT wrong?

What is the meaning of 'spirit' in that verse?

Does that verse mean that both demons and holy spirit speak directly with Christians or that people are inspired by demons or holy spirit to speak so that a Christian can test to perceive which is from God?

MightySparrow:
There is nothing like humility with an organization that is inconsistent with doctrines. Your organization subtly discards doctrines and pretend as people don't know. Thanks to God written materials don't lie.

I would have loved your brother to take the points one by one and refute them. There is nothing in his response that was not pointed out.

Sparrow continue LYING ;
LYING miscreant deceiving himself making false claim about Acts 8:29.
Oga,Acts 8:26-29 is in your Bible. Study it thoroughly.
The angel in Acts 8:26 is the spirit that spoke to Philip in verse 29.

Stop LYING and deceiving yourself.
Until you admit that you lied about Acts 8:29, don't expect any other response to that your lengthy post.

achorladey:
The way most of these religious organization are set up are based on a prepared school of thought or ideology. The Bible is made to fit the ideology or schools of thought.



You see the above, of recent I see the below......

How should I plead?

Achorladey,Which religious organization are you always spending your life time bashing on Nairaland?


Why are you not bashing the religious organizations whose school of thought or ideology removed Gehenna from the gospels of Mark, Luke , Matthew & Bible book of James?

Did the removal of Gehenna from the Gospels fit the ideology/school of thought of the religious organizations that Achorladey supports?

Achorladey's hypocrisy speaks volumes.


Achorladey won't accuse his own religious organization of "lies and manipulation" because he is a hypocrite.

achorladey:
Janosky said the spirit in the footnote says........ 1 Timothy 4:1 but the lies and manipulations packed into the werey peddling brains of Janosky cannot stop peddling mumu and no get sense of the scriptures through distortion and additional errors to support the agenda of his GODS of men housed in USA

impeccablephili:
You don't need to sleep with the woman, you can do IVF, the egg of the woman with fertility issue and the male semen can be fertilised outside the womb replanted back into the surrogate mom womb after weeks of fertilisation.

The reason why some may decide to have sex with surrogate mum is to avoid legal issue, because some surrogate mum may bond with the pregnancy and not want to release the baby, but if the man had intercourse with the lady he can easily claim back his child.

When Sarah gave her Abraham her slave to bear child for him, did God count it as adultery or fornication.

Oga,read your Bible and understand it.
Matthew 19:3-9.
Nah Abraham you dey follow?
Matthew 19;3-9,Abi nah Jesus Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
For we have partial knowledge and we prophesy partially" 1Corinthians 13:9

So this means all Jewish religious groups in the first century also have God's approval since they all prophesied PARTIALLY right?

Ọmọ the reason why first century disciples of Jesus are the only true religion is not because of their prophecies buy they were fulfilling what God promised for that time period!

So Jehovah's Witnesses fulfilling what God promised in our time makes them the only channel God is using no prophesying can make any religion true or false that's what Paul is saying here!

Sand2022:
You can't claim to be the only channel and run when the only channel sends a false message and makes false predictions. If you're God's channel, then that channel is obviously inferior as the channel doesn't know the future. Considering the amount of errors, the God label is an insult to the Almighty God.

God of the bible sees the future accurately without flip flopping. So the church deserve to be called out as false prophets.

impeccablephili:
Did you ask him where it is written in the Bible that surrogacy is a sin? Since when doing people favour and getting compensation in return becomes a sin?
My advice to you is this learn not to rely on your pastors for advice, they are humans too and some of them are not exposed, you might be the first person to introduce the term surrogacy to him.

MightySparrow:
There is nothing like humility with an organization that is inconsistent with doctrines. Your organization subtly discards doctrines and pretend as people don't know. Thanks to God written materials don't lie.

I would have loved your brother to take the points one by one and refute them. There is nothing in his response that was not pointed out.

Sparrow in sifia pains.
God Himself is Unchangeable Changer.
God changes what HE wants.
JW's are on the right track.

Your gods of men know.
Screenshot evidence.

achorladey:
Because Gehenna = inspired word = Spirit. Deflectors items
Your werey brains is filled with wailings and wailers peddling.

MightySparrow:
Matt.3.16 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove,
1. Holy Spirit can be seen and lighting upon him:

Matt.4.1 - Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2. Holy Spirit can lead, having a sense of knowing and control

3.John.16.13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

4. The Spirit has self awareness, and consciousness, and can take decisions.
These are words of Jesus Himself.

5. Isa.40.13 - Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

Even in the Old Testament, the spirit is not viewed as a force,

Isa.48.16 - Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The Spirit can single handedly or jointly send a person on an errand.

Ezek.8.3 - And he put forth the form of an hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted [/b]me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.

[b]7. Acts.8.29 - [b]Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

The Spirit talked, not inspire, talked to Philip
[/b]
8. Acts.23.9 - And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel [/b]hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

The Bible people did see angels and spirits as brings though, the word spirit means wind also.

9. Another word for Holy Spirit is Holy Ghost

Acts.19.2 - He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Spirit and holy Ghost in any language is seen as a being, in a class of unseen essence but real. They are used interchangeably in the Bible.
Jesus Himself, the creator of all things, confirm the existence of ghosts or spirits as beings only the do not have flesh and bones.

Luke.24.39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; [b]for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

10. Holy is added to the name ghost or spirit to give clear identity to a particular spirit. A name is primarily for identity.

11. So how come that all spirits are beings and only the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit is an essence?

Sparrow illiteracy about the holy scriptures.
Empty WAILING WAILER seeking attention and making noise

The English word "he" is not in Greek scripture at John 16:13, MUMU WAILER

Acts 8:26-29, Jehovah's angel in verse 26 is the spirit in verse 29, MUMU WAILER deceiving himself.

@ Ezekiel 8:3, Jehovah used holy spirit to lift up prophet Ezekiel in the form of a hand and also used it to empower Jesus in the form of a dove @ Matthew 3:16.

Sparrow LYING miscreant,
Jehovah God the Supreme Spirit had one of one conversations with Abraham, Genesis chapters 17&18..

Jesus Christ a life giving spirit had one on one conversation with Saul on the road to Damascus.

God's angel a spirit had one on one conversation with Gideon and Mary,as well as other believers.

Oga WAILING WAILER Sparrow, I challenge you to show proof of your 3rd ghost deity having one on one conversation with any believer in your Bible.
You just dey deceive yourself.

achorladey:
We know you cannot afford to leave werey peddling with your brains filled with wailings and no get sense peddling.

Now he deflects into GEHENNA. The usual mode of operation of Jehovah's Witnesses when caught in lies and manipulations. Oh we are not the problem. Christendom too always do it and we as Jehovah's Witnesses must do copy copy and yet say we are special. Your werey peddling brains attached follow come delusion charger

AntiChristian:
Are you saying there's no error whatsoever in any other versions of the Bible?

MightySparrow:
Hahaha. Janoskololo 😂
Honestly review your post.
That a word is used for so many things does not mean, you don't know what is referred to per time per use. 😂.

PMS is called spirit.
Alcohol is called spirit
The core of a living being is called spirit.
The attitude with which a thing is done is called spirit.
None of these has Hebrew interpretation for spirit. I
In fact, from Aramaic/ Hebrew to Greek to English is something else.
So English has so many words that has many meanings.
Playing with such make you to dishonesty support and tout your ideas and community truth.

Hebrew ruach the word for spirit meaning breath,wind.
Sparrow LYING miscreant go and educate yourself.
Bible study tools is the reference work of your Trinitarian mentors.
Empty WAILING WAILERS make the loudest noise to cover up their IBERIBEISM.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/pneuma.html

The screenshot evidence have exposed your half baked illiteracy.

You are WAILING about JW's 1 Timothy 4:1, but you kept your mouth shut while your Trinitarian mentors removed Gehenna in Mark 9:43,45,Luke 12:5.
@Matthew 5:22. ...
@Matthew 5:29. ...
@Matthew 5:30.

Sparrow WAILING WAILER, I won't allow you to dodge & deflect this fact.

MiddleDimension:
its good you now know that both Kumuyi and Olukoya know wrongly about the subject.

MaxInDHouse:
The Author of the Bible purposefully inspired the writers to pen down words that even the writers can't comprehend:

Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so I said: “O my lord, what will be the outcome of these things?” Daniel 12:8

So God only instructed them to pen down the words and conceal it because it's meant for His true worshipers in the end time:

Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end. Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." Daniel 12:9-10

So it's not be understood by all kinds of people only faithful ones {2Thessalonians 3:2} but how can faithful people identify their kind in the end time?

God answered:

"At that time those who fear Jehovah spoke with one another, each one with his companion, and Jehovah kept paying attention and listening. And a book of remembrance was written before him for those fearing Jehovah and for those meditating on his name" Malachi 3:16

Jehovah said in this way they will identify their kind among humankind:

And you will again see the distinction between a righteous person and a wicked person, between one serving God and one not serving him. Malachi 3:18

But what will they be doing after identifying themselves?

God answered again:

They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3

After identifying themselves they will us God's word as yardstick to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the making, buying, selling and using weapons against their neighbors and vow never to raise weapons against their neighbors again!

This is the reason why God gave mankind that book called Bible not for each individual to say:

"I understand God's word because Holy Spirit interpreted it for me"

But when Satan comes with his schemes like politics and racism to make you hate your neighbour you trash your Bible and join others in fighting and killings your neighbours including your so called fellow believers! Revelations 6:3-4

That's why Jesus said only those doing the will of God will be saved not those calling him "Lord Lord" Matthew 7:21-23

So if you don't know the purpose of God's word you will choose whatever interpretation that pleases you but such will never help you to RECOGNIZE the gathering of Holy Ones! Luke 17:37

The post is not meant for you rather it's meant for other followers who may wish to know why Ezra need to add meaning to the reading of God's word!

Ezʹra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was above all the people. As he opened it, all the people stood up. Then Ezʹra praised Jehovah the true God, the great One, at which all the people answered, “Amen! Amen!” and lifted up their hands. They then bowed low and prostrated themselves to Jehovah with their faces to the ground. And Jeshʹu·a, Baʹni, She·re·biʹah, Jaʹmin, Akʹkub, Shabʹbe·thai, Ho·diʹah, Ma·a·seiʹah, Ke·liʹta, Az·a·riʹah, Joʹza·bad, Haʹnan, and Pe·laʹiah, who were Levites, were explaining the Law to the people, while the people remained standing.  And they continued reading aloud from the book, from the Law of the true God, clearly explaining it and putting meaning into it; so they helped the people to understand what was being read. Nehemiah 8:5-8

This is why only Jehovah's Witnesses can act in line with God's will by doing all what the above prophecies listed as if they own the Bible whereas all other religions can't confidently point to the FINE WORKS their faith is producing in line with God's word!

Sparrow is seeking attention he has been missing from JW's.

Sparrow hypocrisy speaks Volumes because he has never queried his Trinitarian mentors for their bias @James 3:6.,
Luke 12:5. ...,
Mark 9:43. ,
Mark 9:45.,
Mark 9:47,
Matthew 5:22,
Matthew 5:29.,
Matthew 5:30,
Him mentors no agree to put Gehenna for the Bible where the word Gehenna must be.
But Sparrow keep quiet & no challenge them.

Sparrow WAILING WAILER, charity begins at home.

MightySparrow:
Whenever, a person wants to take a wrong inheritance, he must tell a wrong story.
___a Yoruba adage.

For JWs to arrogate to themselves what they are not, there must be a scriptural distortion to backup such claims.;.

achorladey:
Their own Kingdom Interlinear also use spirit.....

MightySparrow:
However, the 'inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statementsa and teachings of demons,

The attempt to make Jehovah's Witnesses present to their congregants a text to promote their bias in the interpretation from the original texts, some obvious mispresentation and translation is easily observed. One of such is the passage of the Bible above
Bearing in mind that Paul was writing to Timothy, to avoid that the Spirit was the one speaking, being a force, that cannot talk, or having consciousness, it has to be replaced with the ' inspired word'. The inspirer was removed. The rendering makes the meaning watered down. Which inspired word was Paul referring to? Was Paul quoting some texts or was it his personal revelation by the spirit he was communicating to Timothy?

Sparrow hypocrite, your WAILING and empty tantrums is a cry for attention.
For 3 major reasons, sparrow hypocrisy must be exposed.

*1
@ 1 Timothy 4:1 NWT,"spirit" is in the footnote.
Oga, How many of your Trinitarian mentors placed Gehenna in footnotes in their translations?
Spirit @ 1 Timothy 4:1 is not a being.

"I love wine and spirit" .
The statement doesn't mean nor imply that "spirit" referenced any being.
"The Journal said", "the Newspaper said,(you hear this statement every day during newspaper headlines reviews, but you Sparrow doesn't fault it. ).
The Journal or the Newspaper are not beings.
I said "his anger speaks volumes does not mean that his anger is a being or any being

Jesus said "wisdom bears children" neither imply nor suggest that wisdom is a being..

3
@James 3:6, James the apostle wrote Gehenna, did your Trinitarian mentors write Gehenna?
No , is the answer.

@Luke 12:5.
..@Mark 9:43. @Mark 9:45.
@.Mark 9:47. ...
@Matthew 5:22. ...
@Matthew 5:29. ...
@Matthew 5:30, all these verses, Jesus Christ said Gehenna, did your Trinitarian mentors write Gehenna that Jesus said?
No.

Oga Sparrow,go and query your Trinitarian mentors for their bias @James 3:6.,
Luke 12:5. ...,
Mark 9:43. ,
Mark 9:45.,
Mark 9:47,
Matthew 5:22,
Matthew 5:29.,
Matthew 5:30,

Sparrow hypocrisy smells more than carbide.
Very nauseating

MaxInDHouse:
You're expecting me to join you rolling in the quagmire of shame but i won't allow you change the subject.

Jesus said himself, his father and his disciples are One. John 17:22

Next time you won't engage me with no scriptural knowledge!

Dtruthspeaker:
See more display of madness thereby proving that jws are mad people.

This Speaker guy nah nutcase.
Jesus said himself (Jesus),the disciples& his Father are One, John 17:21

John 17:21
"That all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us

achorladey:
That man made Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses indeed becomes an object and thing to deify. The whole thrust of Governing Body indoctrination over the years.

The lies and manipulations filled brains of this particular elder will climb the platform to lie and manipulate the congregation he attends that Jesus Christ is God's greatest gift to mankind here on nairaland he is advancing delusion consciously and unconsciously indoctrinated by his GODS of men housed in USA that

ORGANIZATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES = the now 11 members of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Achorladey Awon WEREY para mode.
Achorladey say no " God's organization" for him Bible.
Achorladey ever seen "Bible" in any verse and chapter of the holy scriptures?



Achorladey too MUMU.

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Aemmyjah:
We're seeing the reality na
World power of corruption and poverty and bad government