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johnw47:
ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool


[s]lost fraud jw janosky

talk about a dummy, you don't understand God's word at all[/s]

"The Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger," God's finger there is referring to God's Power Who is the Holy Spirit
just as Jesus Christ is not literally a lamb, the Lamb of God is referring to Jesus' innocence and to Him being offered up

Luk_11:20  But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Joh 1:29  The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

John W dunce ADDING to the holy scriptures
John W LYING miscreant : Holy Spirit is not literally God's finger.

Jesus said: holy spirit is God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28).

Jesus said the scriptures can not be broken.
Oga, carry your IBERIBEISM komot from this public forum.

Gabrielshow24:
As regarding the Holy spirit your argument does not hold water because from scriptures we can see from the analogy of Paul has regards the spirit of men knowing about men how much more the spirit of God which searched the deep things of God (paraphrased a little)!

Answering your question on the Nicene Creed.
The Nicene Creed is a way to come to terms the fact that Jesus existed before time and space with God.

Creation as we know it came along with time and space hence Jesus was not created.
And anything that isn't subject to time is timeless and automatically becomes an axiom.

But the bible revealsna peculiar relationship between the Son and the Father where reverence is made to the Father even by the son hence this suggests the Son(in the same substance as the Father humbles himself before his Father giving honor to Him)

Now the mystery now lies in how did Jesus become begotten of God?

That's the real question not all this perambulation

Sand2022:
We will look at col 1:17

Colossians 1:17 He existed before everything else began, and he holds all creation together.

A creature cannot possibly do that. Heb 1:3 tells us more.

Hebrews 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Notice that Jesus is here said to uphold ALL things by the word of His power. This is not just elevating all things, but the point is that Christ sustains ALL things, universe, humans, animals etc, by the word of His power. So after creating all things, He also sustains ALL things.

Also take note of the Power aspect. Such power must be the Highest form of power there is. For the power of a creature cannot possibly sustain all things.

This doesn't sound like what an ordinary creature can do. Does it?

Tags: Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker.

Luke 13:2
Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all (OTHER) Galileans "

JW's have done justice to the holy scriptures for the purpose of clarity @ Colossians 1:17
Or
Remove "OTHER" from Luke 13:2 in your own Bible.

If NWT Colossians 1:15 dey vex you, pls delete "Origin" from Micah 5:2.
Delete "first born" from Colossians 1:15 & "beginning " from Revelation 3:15 to agree with your bias about Colossians 1:17.

Bill Mounce, your fellow Trinitarian & Greek scholar have posited "the Colossians were taught by Paul that Jesus is NOT fully God."
Still, Jesus is NOT fully God @ Hebrew 1:3.
Photocopy remains a photocopy. Not Original.
IYKYK.

Nah the same Paul write Colossians 1:17.
What a frank rebuttal of Colossians 1:17 !

Gabrielshow24:
Jesus not knowing the hour is part of the aspects of his humility taking up a lower form and subjecting himself to his Father and not expressing his full nature; that doesn't mean if he asked from the Father at that moment in Time it won't be given him but he rather have his Father declare it(further showing his humility).

Gabrielshow24:
What don't you understand about the Nicene Creed?

The answer to your questions are in the bible!

What do you expect him to say? 🤨That he is greater than his Father.

He paid homage to the Father which gave him all things - it doesn't negate the fact that he has all things

And he said the father is greater because the Father "gave" him all things. Showing a flow

Emphasis on "gave".
From heavenly standards it's better to give than to receive. He that receives his technically spiritually lower than he that gives.

Hence understandably so. He(Jesus) didn't give his Father his authority but rather the Father gave him all Power and Authority!


A better question would have been along the concepts of him being with God before the beginning.

I fail to see how this is hard to understand!

MightySparrow:
In all your responses you show ignorance more than knowledge.

What gender is God or any angel?

Did any angel have one on one conversations with a human being in your Bible?
Yes.

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Did Jesus Christ a spirit being in heaven had one on one conversations with Saul on earth @Acts 9:3-6?
Yes.

Did Jehovah God, the Supreme Spirit Being had one on one conversations with Moses @ Exodus 6:1-3?
Yes.

Oga Sparrow wey get knowledge, where is the verse & chapter of your ghost deity one on one conversation with a human being in your Bible?
None.

God's finger (Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:28) is not a being.
Your Trinitarian mentors made God's finger a deity in 381 AD.Go & verify.
Dummy Sparrow

Emusan:
Jesus is God Almighty who crated everything in the universe including YOU!



Jesus has been Almighty before creation of time.



Just as Jesus admitted that Him and His Father ARE ONE! Which even your lie lie organization understood to be "ONE IN INTENT" which means even before the Father took the decision the Son already knows as well.

Olodo...

Sand2022:
You seem to miss out on the fact that when the Watchtower says God chose not to know the Sodomites, that was not what the Bible says. The bible says that God will go to find out if what he has heard about them is the way it is, I am paraphrasing here. And if it is true, the verse says "I will get to KNOW IT". So from the scriptural phrasing, one can also say that God do not know it until He came to investigate. That place didn't say "well, I decided not to know it or I chose not to know it."

So that Jesus says he doesn't know shouldn't make you to conclude that He cannot know. He didn't say I CANNOT know. He is the one who will destroy the world, mind you. How is it that he CANNOT know?



While God and the angels are spirits, this doesn't mean they are the exact FACSIMILE of God's VERY BEING. heb 1:3. God is not a creature. So no creature can be described as having the EXACT Facsimile of his not very person, but very BEING.

The Bible tells us more as well. The bible says that ALL the FULLNESS of DIVINE Godhead (theotes) dwells in him.

As a JW, do you remember the often quoted ROM 1:20? I guess you do. Now in that verse, "Godship" is mentioned there in reference to God. Remember? Good. Now the word that appeared in that ROM 1:20 for "Godship", is the exact same Greek word that appeared for Jesus at Colosians were it is said that ALL the FULLNESS of the divine Godship dwell in him.

Now how can you run away from that strong scriptural evidence of Jesus being much like facsimile of Jehovah?

FACT:

Oga Sand2022, your ghost deity never gave Paul a conflicting info @ Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3.
Oga Sand2022, your interpretation of Colossians 2:9 & Hebrew 1:3 is very faulty,built on quicksand.

The Evidence is this:
Trinitarian Sand2022:
@ Colossians 2:9, "Jesus is fully God".

Trinitarian Bill Mounce:
@ Colossians 2:9, Jesus is NOT fully God "

Why is the same ghost deity invented in 381 AD confusing Sand2022 & Bill Mounce ,Greek Bible scholar?

Trinity is a FRAUDULENT doctrine invented by men.
"The Colossians (2v9) were taught that Jesus is NOT fully God,& this is the very reason for the caution against false philosophy" of men.

Oga Sand,Go and convince Bill Mounce, your fellow Trinitarian.
Nah your ghost deity give am the Intel conflicting with your claim about Hebrew 1:3 & Colossians 2:9.

MightySparrow:
Isa.44.8 - Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa.45.5 - I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me : I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Isa.45.21 - Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

MightySparrow:
Your NWT version presents two gods: God and god.

MightySparrow:
The dubious translation presents idolatry. The translators have no identity neither do we know their proficiency in Greek language.

Your organization is harassing people up and down with nonsense.

MightySparrow:
I stick with KJV of the Bible. King James himself took a bold step for making the book accessible to his world. Within the limits of human errors and translation, it is not easy to accurately translate word for word from one man to another.

MightySparrow:
King James is still the best and most popular today for language and arrangement and presentation. I don't really see any other versions that can dethrone it.

MightySparrow:
In all your responses you show ignorance more than knowledge.

What gender is God or any angel?

MightySparrow:
The doctrine of Trinity is contained in the Creed. So you don't understand the Trinity you criticize?
What is the noise about?

Is Nicene Creed & Trinity "contained" in the holy scriptures?
No way,Sir.
Very reasonable to step up that noise jare.

Emusan:
One thing about you is how shameless you can be with no remorse.

You first accused English translators for changing it to 'ANCIENT' but when you were provided with your own very NWT that used the same 'ANCIENT', you change mouth and begin to hide under Hebrew something something.

Well, you're not JaNosense for nothing.

Emusan LYING miscreant, repent nau.

"ETERNITY" is the wrong term you are desperate to import & fix into Micah 5:2 to distort the Hebrew text.
Read the screenshot evidence against you, LYING miscreants.

MightySparrow:
I agree Jesus is the firstborn of every creature not every created.

MightySparrow:
Anyway, Jesus created everything according to the scriptures.

If Jesus created everything by His word, (Heb. 1:2; John 1: 1 -3 ) with what material was He, Himself created?

Please answer directly with relevant scriptures.

Oga Sparrow,why do you quote Heb. 1:2; John 1: 1 -3 conflicting & contradictory with your claim?

Please consult kingdom Greek interlinear & find answers directly with both relevant scriptures (Heb. 1:2; John 1: 1 -3 ).

What is the meaning of Greek DIA antou @Heb. 1:2; John 1: 1 -3 ?

How many spirit beings are mentioned in Hebrew 1:2?
Which spirit being in Hebrew 1:2 is the creator?

Oga,When you are ready for the truth come back here & admit your findings.
That's your assignment for now.

achorladey:
It is still TRINITY your religious organization lacks that consistency that's why till tomorrow they will keep debating about the TRINITY even your publications against it have been marked to be DESTROYED.

In case of Jehovah's Witnesses your [b]Jesus = Angel Michael = Pope = Angel Michael that's part of your werey peddling brains as a result of the concocted lies and manipulations packed into your mumu and no get sense peddling brains.

achorladey:
Whenever he wants to cover up his lies, he starts to looking for Greek and Hebrew words.

Simple primary school work

Words synonyms
Old ancient

He wants to start more lies and manipulations.

Achorladey supported Micah 5:2 Hebrew text with his post .. he is turning around to label as "more lies and manipulations."


achorladey post:

"What is another word for days of yore?
ancient times bygone times days of old good old days old days olden days".

Achorladey awon WEREY para mode.
Shame on you, evil man, go & delete your post nau.

achorladey:
He must have been looking for what will bring spark to his Janosense peddling brains last night.

achorladey post:

"What is another word for days of yore?
ancient times bygone times days of old good old days old days olden days".

Oga, continue WAILING, you provided the compelling evidence against Emusan dunce,LYING miscreant you follow upandan, tied to your apron strings.
Birds of a feather

Emusan:
I've noticed that, he usually come online whenever the brain percentage is almost empty or completely empty.

I only reply him whenever he made a comment when the percentage is still high like 5-10%.

Emusan:
You can see how they will quickly abandoned their lie lie translation NWT and quickly embrace another when in reality they dare not do so in their hall.

NWT used 'ANCIENT TIMES'

If it's not ETERNITY what is the meaning of ANCIENT as used in the scripture?

MindHacker9009:
But your organisation have female apostles going from house to house but not one female in their GB

Sand2022:
Having that authority is not the issue, but that He doesn't know it at some point according to JWs, so God is not omniscient. That being the case, Jesus can also chose not to know.

Sand2022:
Another implication of this is that he doesn't know
doesn't mean he is not God, just as God didn't know whether Adam will sin doesn't mean he isn't God.

achorladey:
The usual community delusion as produced by those GODS of men housed in USA

MightySparrow:
Same as
All spirit beings?
Of all the spirits, Holy Spirit is the only force not being

God the spirit being had a conversation with Adam your ancestor , Genesis 3:9-13.
Jesus Christ another spirit being had conversations with Saul,Acts 9:4-6.

Oga, if you get liver,in your Bible from Genesis to Revelation, which person did your ghost deity have conversations with?
None !!!
IT is not an entity.

Oga,Is "team spirit" a person?
None!

@ John 14:16,26, "him or he" is not in the Greek manuscripts to reference your ghost deity.

Carry your WAILING & IBERIBEISM komot from this thread.
.

MightySparrow:
All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence

So all humans are beings except Janosky that is a weed.

MightySparrow:
Why are afraid to paste the Nicean Greed?

Oga,Why are you afraid to paste that man made invention you believe in?

Which chapter and verse is that delusion called "Nicene Creed" written in your Bible?

Emusan:
Once you see them behaving in such way, just know that the truth has hit the right spot, they've swallowed the truth but as you know truth and lie can't coexist then the typing finger will begin to demonstrate the nature of fight going on btw the truth and lie in them.

Jehovah God his Father has no beginning. Psalm 90:1-2.

Micah 5:2 is about Jesus Christ
"His origin ( start beginning) is from old, the days of yore (long time ago)

Sink that info from your Bible into your skull until you comprehend it.

Or
Enter WAILING mode

MightySparrow:
Are you afraid of pasting Nicean Creed?

See this WAILING WAILER
Wetin concern JW's with a man made invention of the 4th century?
Are you so dummy?
Slave of Nicene Creed

Bring the chapter and verse in your Bible, you refuse.

achorladey:
Your werey peddling brains and you will never have order in your life can't answer his question you started asking questions your own werey peddling brains won't readily answer

achorladey:
The height of werey peddlings of your brains. When caught in their lies and manipulations they start running helter-skelter like Janosky the you will never have order in your life

MightySparrow:
Are you afraid of pasting Nicean Creed?

achorladey:
When cornered he start asking questions.

achorladey:
Days of yore = ancient still hiding your no get sense peddling brains

MightySparrow:
You dey mind them?
Deluded people

Emusan:
He already knows he has killed and buried his own lying mouth and delusion.

Reason why, he couldn't answer my question

I love that.

Sparrow & his Faithless miscreants IBERIBEISM.
Emusan posts is a classic example.
They always argue against the holy scriptures
When the bible says it is white, they will claim that it is cream.

MightySparrow:
Are a dummy? Slave and master are thee same human beings.
.

MightySparrow:
You cannot say that angels are greater than humans. .

MightySparrow:
What is the commonplace of for comparison?
On this context, He was talking about His father to be of the same essence. I asked you or your brother to paste the Nicean Creed, you are afraid to paste it.
The idea of Trinity of trinitarian is different from the JW's.
Paste the Nicean Creed.

All spirit beings share the same essence just as all human beings share the same essence.

Why should JW's paste the Nicene Creed molded on the textus receptus FORGERY of 1 John 5:7?

The Nicene Creed claimed that Jesus was begotten not created (made).
Oga, do you agree that Isaac was begotten not procreated ?
Oga, Which Bible verse did you & your Trinitarian mentors see "one in being?"