miketayo:


so how far did u go?

Secondary School

miketayo:


Embedded systems/programming
Software engineering & microprocessors
I did all these in my BSc
although u must have gone deeper doing all those mnemonics assembly language, but if u studied in Nigeria, i can bet u didn't do intense practical on it

I didn't study in Naij

miketayo:


aside from C & C++ wat other languages did u study, was there a course on algorithm or data mining.. computer Sci is way bigger than u think. Engr is a good course, its just useless in this part of the world

Embedded systems/programming
Software engineering & microprocessors


Been a while bro..I don forget.. finished the first degree in '03

Coincidentally, my MSc in Information Engineering (EE) had more computer science modules

miketayo:


wat type leverage ? yeah some comp engr can code but not like the comp sci programmers except for the ones with other computer certificates.
how many developers has a computer engr degree? In africa comp engr is almost useless and in the outside world u have to be extremely good and still end up working for other engr related companies. the entire IT world is still within the comp sci syllabus (programming, networking & ADC) so wat r we talking abt here.

Computer networking is the only restrictive module from either syllabus

miketayo:


even at dat, how many known computer engineers can u mention in d real world today? one more thing u require a lot more capital to start a company that requires computer Engrs than one that need computer scientist.. u can simply seat in ur house and make money as a programmer

You think computer engineers aren't also programmers?

That skill isn't mutually exclusive to either career but you certainly have more leverage with computer engineering degree

As an EE engineer working as a programmer, i had extensive knowledge of C++/C whilst studying which has since enable me to use that transferable skill to easily pick more programming language needed to succeed in my current role.
It's all about pre-requisite knowledge which can be transferred and applied accordingly

miketayo:


lol did u just say computer sci is restricted? to wat exactly because it encompasses electronics, mathematics, Networking, Programming, Data analysis & algorithms also Database concepts. how is that restricted ?
Computer engr is like a sub sect of elect, they do little programming, nd talk more on computer hardware. Zinox is d only company I knw that gives Computer Engr feeling company in Nigeria nd most of their products r still imported

Ignore the modules for a sec and think deep on how they are applied in real world alongside industries requiring such knowledge and/or experience

I guess your view is valid since Nigeria isn't necessarily a manufacturing economy but it's advisable to always embed flexibility of approach into decision making

geekybabe:


Yea. I get that. I am only trying to give a laymans explanation to a jambite. A fan as an electronic device does not accept or process data. Simple.

And thks. Tho I know what PICs mean. I'm a techie.

hahhhaha what if you introduce timers?

I know you are and it's important you include other components of the fan into the argument

Chukwuka16:
Of course. The right combination of skills is necessary for predictive analysis. I left the UK in January. My last job was as a data management consultant for a Russell Group University. Working on my doctorate now. Thanks for the offer though.

aiight...Stay safe bro!!!

miketayo:


Isnt it a waste of time studying computer engineering in Nigeria? Certificates wont teach u everything u need to know abt computer science but just a branch of a course in computer science.

Computer engineering encompasses a lot of things as it's a multi-discipline profession whereas Computer science is relatively restricted in absolute terms

My argument is, why spend 4 years at a university studying computer science if the skills needed to work as a database analyst is your knowledge and experience of relational programming?

Chukwuka16:
I realise that anyone with some substantive knowledge can claim to be a data scientist but you get me wrong. You do realise that the key is not just being a scientist but making good and valuable use of such data in decision making. There is a reason data analysts are paid handsomely. The key lies in their ability to take data and be creative with it. Their ability to fairly quantify the contribution of varying factors to a model and achieve some accuracy makes them tick. Furthermore, the ability to be good at establishing a nexus between human behaviour and data models is key. My MS is in EEE with bias in energy management systems optimization and No, I am just seeing the diagram for the first time.

You've sort of explained data Visualization which is great but my reason for introducing data science into the argument is so you understand that you don't necessarily need to be an expert in any of the fields required as that will only make you a specialist. All you need is a combination of skills as that's what's required for predictive analysis in machine learning

I have a couple of vacancy in the UK if you have the right skills and permission to work in the UK

My first degree was in EEE

geekybabe:


Whats d difference between a desktop computer and a standing fan?
Electronic devices are devices powered by electric energy. Simple. A computer is a type of electronic device that can accept input and output. An electric fan cannot accept digital input or output

errmmm actually some fans are a little more advanced right?

Fans have control circuits and don't necessarily rely on conventional switches

Your remote controls still rely on digital electronic principles for effective actions

Some use PICs which as you know requires programming for it to work

Chukwuka16:
Very good question @OP. However, you have to do your home work thoroughly. Considering the fact that you want to study in Nigeria, the Engineering option is preferred for the obvious reason that it is a professional course and allows you to become a registered engineer which might be useful in the future. Aside that it offers no further significant benefit. For Computer Science however, it is the 'in thing' now. I have an engineering background for my first two degrees but I'm currently doing a doctorate in CS and I can tell you the opportunities are immense. This is due to the increasingly role of big data and machine intelligence/artificial intelligence/data mining etc. in our decision making process. These research areas are offering a very promising future and Nigeria is really a fertile ground for such disciplines. You may thus consider an engineering option but with dedicated and disciplined focus on learning some programming languages like Python, Matlab, R, C/C++ etc. and further building immense capacity in mathematics/statistics especially problem formulation/modelling and toy with some basic AI program and apply them in basic optimisation problems. What I have been saying is this - do well to graduate with good grades in Comp. Engr but build immense capacity in your programming skills but with practical application to everyday issues. Do not forget to update yourself with the trends in CS (data management and AI) by being a registered student member of IEEE to have access to some open access journals. Also trail papers for free from academia.edu to researchgate on AI/machine learning. You need to do a serious research on what you want and make up your mind. Ultimately, never forget to always consult your creator - God to ask for direction. He made you and thus knows what's best for you. You can never be wrong taking His advice. All the best!

You do realise you don't have to be a specialist in any of those fields to be a data scientist right?

What's your MSc in?

Have you come across this Venn diagram?

geekybabe:


Computer Engineering is not about fixing or repairing computers. Dat one is for computer village boys.

Computer Engineering in practical is about designing building hardware systems, and integrating with embedded software.

In a Nigerian uni, you'll be taught basics.

You sabi die

Embedded systems is the buzz word...Very difficult course that must be mastered before you can make in-roads in the industry

I guess a lot of people don't understand the word computer as they automatically assume/conclude it's restricted to personal computers

What's the point in studying computer science degree for 4+ years when you can do acquire targeted certificates that usually come with practical experience for your desired industry?

Food for thought right?


Computer science is strictly software whereas computer engineering is best of both worlds (software and hardware)

saladel:
Computer scientist are programmers, while computer engineers fix computer problems either software or hardware. A computer engineer can also do communication engineers job and a few of elect elect. You'll learn how to program, but not as much as computer scientists. With a comp engine degree you can also do masters in comp science but you can't do masters in comp engine if you have a bsc in comp science. Comp engine can do most of comp science, communication engineers and elect elect jobs.

What's your level of education?

Your answer will determine how i respond to your quoted post

Xmen149:

Lol,.thats where an Engineer comes in,.if you havent had real life works with that system believe me your knowledge in Engineering (troubleshooting from the start of the circuit)wount kick in.

Another thermal guy never had his installation cooling to expectation after all checks.

but what he never knew and was never in the manual is that for every bend on the pipe on the lenght of run adds and additional leght to the total length of run of the pipe to be used.he ends up using more than the total lenght stipulated for the unit thereby reducing cooling.

what am saying is,if you havent been there forget the manual there are extreamly little details that if you havent encounterd them on the site you will always get that you design and all wrong.

Do you need real life work with a system to check if you are getting the expected output?
You employ a single step approach to fault finding when dealing with a complex system without a monitoring control unit.

barlinbuchi:
well that is thoughtful of you,just graduating as an engineer is not the issue but knowing your area of specialization is another credict to certificate,I will advice you to go run a program called MEP,I don't know if this program is obtainable in Nigeria, but in UAE were I based the program have help alot of Engineers like Mechanical And Electrical Engineering graduates to have full knowledge of their field ,the full meaning of the Acronyme is called Mechanical,Electrical and Plumbing design, you will learn all about HVAC design ,Electrical design and plumbing design,just long around for this,though little expensive,

He didn't study building services engineering though and he hasn't said if he specialised in power as that's his only way into the HVAC stuff.

TheLordIsGr8:
Find an electrician in your area and register as an apprentice.

Start now and continue till you graduate. Dabble into video game consoles, flatscreens and computers if you can. In other words, experiment with as many things as you can. There is no shortage of electrical panels for you to experiment with.

Go to youtube and watch videos if you have data.

Don't miss the electrician part. That is where you get the best practical knowledge.

Thank me later.

Electrical/Electonic Engineers aren't technicians bro.

Engineers are meant to be designing/delivering solutions to identified problems

What's did you specialise in, robotics, comms or power?

EEE is very broad so you need to consider your ambition against the listed specialisation above in narrowing down your options

UjSizzle:


I'll send you a mail shortly.

Thanks ever so much

sben2308:





I know 5 zeros ain't big and that's y am working harder to increase the figure.,

God bless your hustle my guy

coolestchris2:
Ask

How would you cure concrete and the reason for curing it

You can give me 3 examples

coolestchris2:
I supervise ok,stop been pessimistic on the civil engineering way of life

Make i ask you a civil engineering question?

This is your chance to prove yourself ooo

coolestchris2:
I have various plans i design with revit and auto cad,if u have money come and buy ok

How does that make you a civil engineer though?

Delivering plans and using autocad makes you computer literate not necessarily a Civil Engineer


Engineering no be moin moin

coolestchris2:
Supervising and learning ,i am also into other things,looking out for where the gold mine is?

You haven't answered my question Sir

Let me rephrase, what exactly (products) have you delivered technically as a civil engineer?

sben2308:




Oga grammerian, oga olodo discoverer, oga dundy I finished with a 3rd class n not by choice but financial n emotionally issues and today I can say with all boldness am better than hundreds of first class out there.Take note before u open ur mouth again n make a fool of urself I v my Masters already n all glory b to God in d highest I earn an avrg of five zeros monthly. Am just trying to let u know that in d world today 3rd class r better than 2.2 n 2.1 u c out there. Shalom

You've done well for yourself by specifically upgrading the 3rd class in order to open more doors

5 zeros ain't a biggy though so slow down on that one for now

coolestchris2:
Civil engineers wont even tow that line of embarrassment...as a civil engineer.my works will speak for me not paper

Civil engineer building houses under the regime of non existent regulations abi

What have you been doing as a Civil Engineer?

MVLOX:


I do but all am saying is that a 3rd class is not a death sentence in fact it's a wake up call.... A call to find an alternative, a call to seek btw plan B - Z, a call that opens one's eyes to so much hidden and beneficial potentials.....

It isn't a death sentence and it's almost certainly inconsequential/irrelevant as a determinant factor in predicting life's possible outcomes

Having said that though, you shouldn't underplay the importance of having a competitive edge when you can't factor practical experience to tip you over the scale

No right or wrong answer but the statement that you are more likely to be on a successful trajectory with a solid education is factual

vani86:



And yes degree do not justify success in life at all, but it definitely a stepping stone where you can launch your career.

"Ernst & Young Removes Degree Classification From Entry Criteria As There’s ‘No Evidence’ University Equals Success"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/07/ernst-and-young-removes-degree-classification-entry-criteria_n_7932590.html

https://www.glassdoor.com/blog/no-degree-required/




okay...I'm just looking for your trouble since it's better to present oneself with a competitive advantage in an increasingly shrinking labour market

I'm still on ya side!!!!!

vani86:


I never said they are failures, show me where i said it. What I have always hammered on is that its not meant to be celebrated, if not for dino's certificate exposure do you think the OP will open this thread.

He is proud that he is an3rd class holder because dini in senate is one.

Freaking think and realise how stupid that is

Actually he/she isn't stupid for aligning with someone of comparative academic standing for their benchmark of success since success in its entirety goes far beyond academic excellence

However, the stupidity comes from he/she believing they will equally get the same chance like Dino whom in all ramifications was elevated by the corrupt system to a position beyond his capacity

In a nutshell, the 3rd class didn't get him where he is today ....end off!!!!

TPAND:


Thank you brother. First class guys have no impact in Nigeria. I basically see them as waste. The are less intuitive and all they do is read read read cram and never understand

What makes you think read read read or whatever you call it doesn't lead to the following competencies (Dedication, innovation, problem solving, et al) needed to succeed in brutal corporate world ?

MVLOX:
I graduated with 3rd class too but will be the HOD at my work place from next month.... The question is who cares so long u do ur job very well a 3rd graduate will head even a 1st graduate

Possibly but mostly always highly unlikely

I'm sure you understand Stats right?