₦airaland Forum

Originalsly:
Are you sure this report was not taken from a Nollywood movie script? You guys have two doctors on the panel and accepted this?...and are suggesting that these people steer the way?...and carry out "targeted chemotheraphy"? Bro...even if is stage 4 cancer...to India he must go and not for chemo...chemo is a no no.

What exactly is he going to do in india if not chemo when there is pictorial evidence that it has spread?

alutacontinua:
If it has metastasized, it's possible that they see the secondary sites, but not the primary site. Most especially, if the ct wasn't done towards the primary site. E.g. if an abdominal ct scan was done and the primary site is in the lung, they might not really be able to see that from the ct.

Jaybee, which organs have been affected?

Are you a Dr Sir? if yes then send us an email so we can share the CT scan with you

aisha2:
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Cancer is cancer nothing spiritual, its just sad it was discovered late, if it was earlier he would have had a better chance hence the need for us to take our health and check up seriously.

What we should all pick from this thread is to stop taking panadol for everything and go to the hospital for routine check ups regularly so things can be found early and treated, turning this into a spiritual issue when it is an identified illness will be counter productive.

Early detection saves lives

That's the koko. I'm just angry at the fact that something can be allowed to get to this stage just because luth wouldn't treat/investigate him cos of lack of funds.
It's just pathetic really that our Government don't provide the facilties to treat emergency patients.

olu4life:
Me I never hear of this kin thing. Sorry o,I no b medical dude but how wont they know d type of cancer and go ahead to say its cancer? Abeg make una help us non-medical fellows

I didn't mention type Sir. I said source is unkown and the extent of the spread was discovered via the result of the CT Scan

alutacontinua:
If it's not something to be kept confidential, what kind of cancer does he has?
Also goes a long way prognostically!
And how much metastases are we talking about?
Which organs have been affected secondarily?

if you have agreed to keep this confidential, kindly say so!

There is nothing confidential at this stage Sir. The report we got on the 12th is that "he has stage 4 cancer of unknown source and it has spread and there really isn't much that can be done but to improve his quality of life. The only way to identify the source is through a laparotomy which they are uncomfortable to put him through hence the chemotherapy suggestion that will be targeted at the affected parts"

aisha2:
Oga good now how much more on the average do we need to raise to at least have a good chance of flying him out?

It's not just about money even though money is a challenge. Let's assume for example the cancer has spread to 3 vital organs, it would be a challenge for doctors to completely remove the cancer cells since it's claimed to be aggressively spreading. The body can only withstand so much surgical stress as well as being exposed to so much radiation.

Phew... Only God can guide us to be honest

aisha2:
Even if it's one percent chance of survival I am ready to put my money in it. I will sleep better at night knowing I did my best for this brother instead of putting my hand on my head and saying its over for him

No one has said it's over for him. I mentioned palliative and chemotherapy at diifferent times in my earlier posts. They will also need money and if chemotherapy is the only thing that can be offered in India so why narrow our option to that if he can get exactly the same chemotherapy here?

aisha2:
I disageee donations cant be done blindly. Funds were rolling in till the money was spent mostly on test, I cant go through the whole thread but at one point we said lets know where this is going before we push in more funds.

If we have an estimate Instead of sending N10000 i can say no the money needed is much more let me gather more money see where i can look for and send something more.

Again instead of back and forth lets have motivation in form of an estimate to guide our giving.
People won't just send money when we don't even know whats going on.

Again this endless debate serves no purpose lets have an estimate, let us start looking for stones to turn over and get money to help this guy

The money wasn't spent mostly on tests. Majority of the money was spent to stabilise him. Hammed is way better than he was when he was at eruwa. He can now pass his body waste unaided

From the top of my head, i think we still have somewhere in the region of 1.7M left. We will publish the exact figure hopefully by tomorrow

Caracta:
Thank you ma. God bless you too.

@jaybee3, let's look at the flying him abroad option while we wait for other results. Is funding the only problem with that? Do we have an estimate of how much we need to have? With the reports sent to India, is chemotherapy the only available option? Can we contact more than one hospital with the new result we have since we have been working with wrong diagnosis(?) all along? Babyosisi and the other doctors can help with this or even some of us.

I just don't want us to wait. Let's have a back up plan.

Is funding the only problem here?

Stage 4 means it has spread and it's aggressive. The second hospital in India is offering chemotherapy which can also be done in Nigeria so why should we rule out the Nigerian option if the treatment plan is exactly the same?

Fund restriction is a major issue as it's in 2 phases,
Treatment - The cost is going to be in the region of 4M+. Stage 4 means chances of cure is slim (Based on published research)
Post treatment - we can't cost as we can't predict the dynamics

Should in case things go horribly wrong (hopefully not) there is also additional cost to return the body to Nigeria.

Like i said earlier, it's very complex and we have to be practical as well as following steer from his doctors at LCC

Stage 4 cancer is unfortunately complex and thus needs to be approached carefully.
It's impossible to get him flown out without adequate funds and he needs to continue with his current treatment plan.
We will continue working with the LCC doctors and go with their steer on way forward.

Though the prognosis is somewhat dire but miracles do happen

eliment:
how dumb could you be, do you know how much was made in the last five years more than the entire earnings in the last 15yrs

You can't simply remove such amount from an economy such as ours and not expect her to break down completely.
Engage your brain Sir

It's almost impossible for the 3 to embezzle $50 billion.

Originalsly:
@Jaybee3....you guys (TeHN) need to understand that perception is a priority in our situation. Whether true or not....the perception is Emmysexxy's update prompted you guys to post an update and no amount of explanation can erase that perception. Let's leave that one alone. On an update....the nitty gritty that you have to sift through is of little importance to us...that's not and should never be our business. That should be between the medical team and to to a far lesser extent the patient. We just want to know the headlines..."DJ is being Flown to India Jan 25"....we're not interested in where the ticke was booked...which airline....how many suitcases...what he wore and why etc..get my drift? ..just let's know what's goin down. At the moment we're yet to hear from you guys on how he's doing...a bit better?...not as good?...seem tired and fatigued? Please...let's commuunicate and don't leave us in the dark and cause us to speculate. To all...please get off Emmysexxy neck....and stop the personal attack. Not saying we must all agree.....if you don't agree with someone's message or opinion I encourage you to counter it with your own. "If you don't agree with the message do not attack the messenger."

We are not trying to change perception as it's really of no importance to us.
We have a responsibility to tell our side of the story so as to clear misconceptions.
It's really up to you guys to derive your own conclusions based on information given.

The quote provided to us by the India hospitals at various times in the past suggested that route is very difficult to pursue as we simply can't afford it as well as not having any sort of guarantees considering he is now supposedly at stage 4.

Our thinking though not final at the moment is improving his quality of life as well as providing an adequate palliative care to improve his health

Lastly, DJ insists he is feeling much better and we pray that remains so

Just to clear up some misconceptions;
We haven't spent 70% of the funds donated as claimed. Total expenditure is barely 50% and the question of good value for money for what was spent will surely be addressed much later.

We did investigate the India option on 2 seperate occassions with enquiries on treatment cost for what would have been a misdiagnosis as it now appears.

Just to clarify hopefully once and for all, emmysexy's post didn't trigger our update.
I take full responsibility for delaying the update and i apologise if you felt you aren't being carried along.

The fact of the matter is, as a team (TeHN) we always have to ensure we've covered all nitty gritty details before communicating so we can ensure our message is consistent and concise.

Timeline of events for those interested.
9th Jan - 11th Jan
The analyses of the first set of results (blood tests) done by the doctors working with us coupled with hammed's utterances about how he was feeling much better suggested he only TB and the treatment he was on was already working wonders.

Week begining 12th Jan
DJ's other results (CT Scan) came through last week with a caveat that they had to seek second opinion from their counterpart in NY. We couldn't have updated you guys at this point simply because it was quite possible for second opinion to differ from the initial.

We had to give the doctors working with us ample time to go over the 220+ pictures from the scan so they can give us their expert opinion considering the fact that the new angle came as a shock since the blood tests and every other tests gave him a somewhat clean bill of health.

Once we became convinced of the dire situation with regards to the cancer diagnosis, we had to facilitate a meeting for hammed to see the LCC doctors so they can take him through the results as well as counsel him. This was done on wednesday

We started working on our draft communication to you guys on thursday. I agree that the draft shouldn't have taken long but as a team, we always ensure everyone's view and input is captured before publishing hence the regrettable but necessary delays.

Lastly, we understand your frustrations and accept criticisms even if they aren't merited but be rest assured we are doing everything we possibly can within our capacity to ensure DJ gets better.

Thanks for your support

Una dey negotiate death matter?

Choiiiiiii

Live a good life

Majority of your claims are along the line of he (GEJ) silently did this and that, not having an effective communication strategy bla bla bla....

How exactly do you want him to communicate something that isn't being felt personally?

Don't you get it, Action speaks louder than words?

@Matthew

I want you to look at this scenario and be very honest with your reply. A father has a notorious son that steals every single meat in a pot whenever he enters the kitchen. Would you suggest the father hides the pot, lock the kitchen or simply use punishment as a deterrent from that act of stealing.

Simply hiding the pot or locking the kitchen mean he will simply extend the stealing outside if and when he gets the chance.

You keep talking about measures and systems but forgetting the simple fact of human (especially criminal minded Nigerians) factors

The first step of fighting corruption is education. The president needs to retract the statement he made on common stealing isn’t corruption. Stealing is bad and all criminals should face the wrath of the law

Tell us something new

Make i begin save biko

These RR's are on point

softysparky:
Don't tell me you are broke cos I don't do broke guys.

What exactly do you do then and what do you have to offer them in return for their supposed generosity

Stop playing devil's advocate sparky... This is a serious thread and young girls need to be mentored through re-orientation

@all young gyals
Absolutelly nothing wrong with getting your own damn money

You will be respected and valued for being a strong woman

Matthewbriggs:
I would answer this question on a thread I am currently cooking up.

Aii bro

Matthewbriggs:
Goodluck Ebele Jonathan may not be perfect. But he is the best thing that has ever happened to Nigeria. Call me anywhere I can defend it.

I would chose a man whose approach to solving corruption is centred on building systems checks and balances that makes it harder for corruption to take place.

Than a man who thinks jailing corrupt people is the most efficient way of solving corruption.

Which is cost effective during autesrity times, systems or robust policies?

You keep forgetting the same whole set of corrupt folks are going to be the ones setting up these systems.

Robust policies isn't just about jailing people, it's about encouraging whistle blowers, strenghtening our judicial systems by making sure they can't be compromised and of course allowing the law to come hard on any public officials found guilty as charged

skywalker888:
who is this bush man saying poo because he's guilty of the charge ?

Na me be the bush man ooo but pictures (@ your dp) don't lie sha

Na beach interview you wan attend?

ireneony:
broke guys be like

see as you fine like mammy....

How do you even come up with all these ridiclulous gibberish?

tosyne2much:
1. I love my girl friend so much and she's the best lady that has ever come into my life.. Ask him why he loves her so much & he will say " she's not demanding at all" # e no go beta for brokeness #

A well trained girl don’t go into relationships and starts making demands like it’s her freaking birth right. Most girls that demand as well as have a false sense of entitlement are always in the relationship for personal gains. We aren’t stupid

tosyne2much:
2. If you send N100 recharge card to your girlfriend and she doesn't call you with at least N50, it implies she's using the credit to call other male admirers/suitors # God punish brokeness #

Why would you invest in something then be comfortable when dividends ain’t coming ya way? makes no damn sense

tosyne2much:
3. I'm contended with my torchlight phone because I'm not one of those using expensive phones just to impress ladies

It’s perfectly reasonably for some rich folks not to embrace the foolishness that comes along with constant relentless pursuit of ever changing phone technology. So long as the phone can provide the basic functions that phones are meant to do then GBAM. At the end of the day wealthy folks don’t indulge in things that wouldn’t necessary ad zeros to their bank account. Invest Invest Invest

tosyne2much:
7. Money is not everything. I don't have money but no lady can make me feel less of myself

Yes money isn’t everything. Loyalty and trust which is very rare is

winniz:
Buhari is not the Change Nigerians need. It's GEJ all the way.

Thank God you only have one vote

#Next

winniz:
You APC supporters are very uncouth and aggressive, it's most of u Apc clowns that will change monikers after FAILBUHARI loses again.

We are aggressive because we believe we need to open y'all individual skulls to drill in the need for our nation to rise again.

Most of you guys can't name 3 things you've benefited as a citizen of this country in the past 6 years but still want us to thread the part with hopeless hope of getting a different result.

You folks are very stubborn and most of your supports are either along ethnic or religious line meaning you don't give a Bleep so long as your kinsmen is on the throne.

Pay attention as the wind of change has arrived and y'all shall be blown into oblivion

odun4love:
Do not conclude to that,is more complicated that's why I asked such question

Do you know why i can't take you serious?

You can't possibly love someone you barely know...

Just stay friends with the girl and see where that takes you.

No point stressing over nothing