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JackBizzle:
Thanks.

I have explained myself on this issue and my opinion is based off of seasoned lawyers who have worked across Nigeria.


Thanks for resorting to making claims without any sensible evidence or logic. The buffoon here is evident.

The evidence is glaring.

Here's advice you would do well to heed. It's better to be quiet and be thought a f0ol than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Seasoned lawyers working across Nigeria my foot! You'd be hard pressed to find a lawyer that is strictly confined to his jurisdiction.

You should stop embarrassing yourself.

sonOfLucifer:
Oga Done.

Is a frontpage necessary? So far, everyone is in favor of one.

I don't know about necessary but it can't hurt.

JackBizzle:


Interesting. I know for a fact that record keeping of court proceedings in Nigeria is lackadaisical. I wonder why you would try to lie and save face on this issue.

I asked you about getting court records from state high court cases.

Guy, come off it. This is embarassing

Ignorance is bliss. You're making a buffoon of yourself.

JackBizzle:
Sir,

Thank you for pointing out the incompleteness of my arguments.

I was in a haste and just pointed out simple facts showing how confusing law can be.



Fleshing out my original 4 points and rebutting your arguments;

1) It is a fact that most people do not understand the law. The issue here is that law is a profession and therefore legal advice should come from a professionally qualified lawyer. Given the corrupt and 419 nature of scammers on nairaland, any fool can claim to be a lawyer and mislead any of those 90% of people that do not know the law. Are you going to beg Seun to verify everyone that gives legal advice? How do you ascertain who is a qualified lawyer on an anonymous forum


2) It is a fact that no lawyer can guarantee 100% chance of winning in most cases. What you need to understand is that technicalities and loopholes are many in law- too many for not only laymen but lawyers as well. That is why you see lawyers doing weeks of research before a big case. Lawyers in the UK do not do "internet consultation". You have to go to their offices and discuss the details of your case. Explaining your case well to your lawyer is important to winning in court.


3) Yes, lawyers only know the law up to a certain degree. A lesser degree than doctors know medicine. The law can change on a daily basis. Every judge's decision is a potential precedent for another case. States, counties and countries pass laws at different times. Medicine, accounting etc other professions are not as volatile.


4) Second opinions in medicine mostly end up getting similar conclusions because doctors universally understand the human body in the same way. The same in Accounting- there are international standards that all chartered accountants know. Law is another thing entirely- A case can be won or dismissed on numerous grounds. It takes only one technicality to get away with certain crimes. It is better to go to the office of your lawyer and explain your case.


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There are so many disadvantages to having a legal section on nairaland

1) Legal advice should be only given by qualified lawyers. How do we verify qualified lawyers?

2) Law in Nigeria is in shambles. We dont even keep records of many decisions by judges. Since you are a lawyer in Nigeria, please tell me how many court records or transcripts do you have from the state high courts knowing that a judge's decision in a court can set precedence for future court cases.

3) Trolling. Family cases, property cases etc should normally be kept private. Imagine someone seriously trying to get his house in order through the court and some fool comes to start laughing because a man has lost some of his assets.



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If you want to talk about human rights. Lets have a human rights section. A legal section is dangerous.

Your fleshed out argument is even worse than the other one.
You're asking of records, ever heard of law reports? Record of proceedings? Look I have neither the time nor the inclination to hold your hands through this discussion.

I see no reason to think that a legal section would be dangerous. The fact that someone seeks advice does not prevent a person from visiting a law office.

I doubt I would reply further but I'd like you to bear in mind that there is a health section here where people seek advice on their health issues and some people also market solutions. To the best of my knowledge, Seun has not verified any doctor on this forum, yet people have been seeking and giving advice. It's an informal forum, there's going to be good and bad advice. There will be trolls too. Does that mean that it has no use?

How do you enforce Human Rights if not by law?

And by discussing cases, I didn't mean discussing details of ongoing cases. I meant for instance sourcing authorities that might apply to a case.

winkmart:
does it state in any way that the Op is the visioneer?

Check the bracket.

JackBizzle:


Engineer? Bwahaha.

Law is a profession. A legal section on any Nigerian forum will cause serious problems given that
1) 90% of people do not understand the law

If this is true, there's no better case than for having a legal section than your first point. Nigeria has no strengthened legal system. Police and the military operate with impunity violating fundamental Human Rights and the population accepts it as normal. They pay bail money without knowing their rights and you say there is no need for a legal section? We can have a sexuality section but a legal section is not necessary?

Property owners take advantage of people who don't know their rights and we don't need a legal section?

2) The lawyers themselves can never guarantee a 100% chance of winning most cases

I'm not sure how this makes sense or what point it's supposed to illustrate. At best it shows your limited understanding of the operation of the law. Cases are won by proving with evidence and backing up your position with the law. There is never a "draw" in a case. If two lawyers feel they have proof, they go to court to establish it and the judge listens to both and gives a decision one way or the other. If all lawyers agreed there would be no need for court appearances. Besides there are little instances of procedure and technicalities that are not known by the layman.

We have a pet section and a sexuality section but somehow we don't need a legal section?

3) The lawyers themselves only understand the law to a certain degree

Doctors, mechanics, Engineers, etc only understand their professions to a certain degree. What is clear however is that they understand it better than the layman. No point here.
We have a dating and meet up section, a pet section, a sexuality section but there's no need for a legal section?

4) Two lawyers trying to secure a client can give contradictory assurances on a case

In medicine, there's something called a second opinion. Contradictory assurances are not unheard of. Try giving your car to two mechanics and watch them contradict themselves. Law is application, and that's what the court is for: to settle issues of the law. If all lawyers agreed with each other there would be no need to go to court. You might as well settle issues in the beer parlour or family meeting. No need for judges either.

We have the whole nairaland and no legal section?

I'm not sure what you think but the legal section isn't for soliciting for clients. It's for people to come ask questions about legal issues pertaining to them and to get them solved. For instance, how many times have we seen on front page "look what I found in an unopened bottle of coke/malt/beer" etc. Go to the property section and look at people who don't know what to do to prevent being scammed by land vendors. Look at the auto section and see people being scammed by Cotonou car agents. The list goes on.

Also lawyers could hang out in the legal section and discuss their cases , seek and share advice. In the end, nairalanders would benefit.

When you come here all small minded talking about legalese, I wonder what you're on about. DeepSight, Enigma, Kay17 are all lawyers on this section. They have different styles of expressing themselves but I cannot remember anytime any sort of legalese came up in discussions. Caveats are important when arguing against people who are great at building strawmen. Caveats don't count as legalese.

OP why would anyone need a revelation for something that is clearly stated in the Bible?

The Bible frowns against tattoos.

Meanwhile I'm trying to reconcile your signature with your ability to receive revelations (or even report them).

analice107:
I think the mentally deranged person here is you.

Perhaps.

God used to appear to people. Adam and Eve, Moses, Gideon, to name a few. Those were good times.

God no longer appears to people these days, he prefers to appear on toast, bathroom walls and other blurry and unreliable media. The only other thing that goes for his presence is claims by people of uncertain mental capacity that they received a revelation from God.

These are personal claims that are not objectively verifiable and can only be believed by those desperate enough to clutch at the slightest evidence.

Again I'll ask OP, why the double standards?

JackBizzle:


The message not the messenger. You are yet to justify why a Nigerian forum needs a legal section.

The world doesnt revolve around you and your opinion that the forum needs a legal section, either.

Listen to yourself.

JackBizzle:
A legal section? For what? To get conflicting and confusing advice from lawyers who will always preface their statements with caveats?


Sorry, I'm not too fond of lawyers or legal talk. I've lived with them for too long.

The world doesn't revolve around you.

Annunaki:
Lying pathological atheist, the lord's prayer calls for forgiveness of sin even as you forgive others who have sinned against you and not as you commit sin against others.

It doesn't change the substance of the argument.

truthman2012:
With what catholic are doing today, I don't believe they are on the right track. Their pope said Jesus was drunk. He went to Saudi Arabia and prayed islamically. Why do they still call themselves Christians?

The Pope never said that!

You really shouldn't believe everything you hear or read.

truthman2012:
Good observation.

Jesus taught the disciples the Lords prayer that included asking for forgiveness of sin when they were new in faith. Everything in the Lord's prayer was a prayer that is expected to form part of Christians' lives after maturity. After the advent of the Holy Spirit, the disciples began a life of perfection in Jesus and no need for repetition of the Lord's prayer. One of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to empower man to live holy. This is why Penticostals don't recite the Prayer because a Christian is not supposed to be sinning and asking for forgiveness. A 'true' Christian commits sin inadvertently and not as a habit.

Rom. 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall
we CONTINUE in sin, that grace
may abound?

The answer to that question is 'no'. That means a man of God is not expected to continue sinning and asking for forgiveness.

I John 3:9
No one born of God makes a
PRACTICE of sinning, for God’s
seed abides in him, and he
CANNOT keep on sinning
because he has been born of God.

As you can see, a man of God is not expected to make sin a habit like Muhammad did.

As it was written, Jesus said when you pray, pray like this. It wasn't written that they should pray like that initially. That is why Catholics and Anglicans still use the Lord's prayer.

It's also funny that you refer to other sources to explain something Jesus supposedly spoke clearly about.

musKeeto:
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It looks cool.

You might want to add a legal section to it, something this place is in dire need of but Seun can't see.

In the Lord's prayer taught by your Jesus, isn't there a place that calls for forgiveness of sins even as you commit sins against others?

Why the double standards?

DuchessLily:
I can choose oo. God has given me the power to choose

Ok oh no wahala.

Hope we meet again on another thread. Nice chatting with you.

DuchessLily:
I claim all my miracles, BUT NOT THIS KIND OF MIRACLE

But you can't pick and choose na. Better hold the one on offer first.

DuchessLily:
Mira.....wetin If I hear it!

Happened to one so called pastor in my office. He said it was a miracle. Who am I to argue?

Better claim your own miracle as e dey hot.

DuchessLily:
Lol....But did they not have premarital s£x?? Abi na 5mths preggy dey stay b4 birth?? Abegi, anyone who says that is not a hater but a truth-teller

End time pastor! He is lucky he wasn't killed

It was a miracle.

truthislight:
Well, the question is on you, will you endowed Your creatures with Freewill?

Why should that make sense to you?

Why would you set out on a seeming collision course?

Is such practical in our world today?

Why is doing such rational?

If I did grant my creatures with freewill, I wouldn't punish them for choices they make.

How can it be free will if you punish certain choices?

Amitex:
@ Barca, was there really any difference between Radio Chanji, Radio Kudirat and Radio Biafra
I remembered that some people also promised to form a parrllel government. Just wondering if we have different laws for different people or are we being hypocritical with the TRUTH

What became of MKO after he declared himself President?

Why were NADECO members wanted and they had to resort to fleeing the country.

Kanu got caught. That's the difference. Where is Kudirat today?

Kanu should count himself lucky that he can have his day in court. In days gone by, a few bullets would have turned off his sun.

killzone:
I know just tried to compare sorry am still learning

Apology accepted.

Now stop grabbing your crotch in photos.

FcMilan:
BRO ITS NOT ONLY DAT HOW ABT

RISE TO VOTE SIR

DEM PLENTY

From the Simpsons. Mensa.

Nice one.

yinkuscious:
This is interesting
#Some people won't get it

Before saying that some people won't get it, know what a palindrome is. It's not the only English sentence that reads the same front to back.

Alezy:
Oga. ...With due respect, ur the one clouding ur tots with sentiments.

We all agree that the previous government did nothing yes but let's call a spade a spade, does that justify the present government to be working at this stage? ?

listin, it's not all that criticise this government that's a gej supporter, some of us want the good of the nation and when it's not forth coming give us the chance to speak our mind.

He just entered is all I keep hearing, that was how gej did till four years was wasted. They have started again. How many months down the line already, still nothing to show and yet ur still preaching time.

Are you oblivious to the rot that has taken over Nigeria? Do you expect things to change overnight? Do you think short term solutions are the way to go?

The answers to these questions will point you in the right direction.

coolhamid:
You haven't answered the above question yet, how is the author of that post sentimental ? The BBOG of a thing got reduced under this present administration compared to Jonathan's administration. What could have been the reason ?

I answered the question. I won't spoon feed you.

vedaxcool:
The guy suffered a huge loss. So bear with him.

Lol.

agabaI23:
Nigeria stood behind him to take the power from Turai. Whoelse should they have stood behind? Turai?

The support ended after the election. The northerners wanted power back. lol

I was taught how to write essay and stick to the topic. There so much to talk about Oby and his BBOG. if you cannot stick to the topic, I cannot talk with you.

Well there you are. You've put a timeline to it. So my question is how long was it before the so called doctrine of necessity came into effect and the elections? That will give you an idea of how long Joe was supported.

By contrast, what have you guys done but vilify Buhari every step of the way.

You might have been taught essay writing but it seems you skimped on the debate club.

agabaI23:
What time? You never gave him any time. He never did anything right. Many turned against him because of the subsidy thing and APC exploited it. Sure-P did a lot.
I told you to create a thread if you want to discuss anything outside two faced Oby. You don't know how to discuss one subject or you always want to put a distraction?

It is OBY here my friend.

I need to go for work out tomorrow. Good night! Stop defending hypocrisy except you are a hypocrite

Issues are never that simple, unless you are talking to someone in kindergarten.

You can't discuss Oby in this context without bringing in extraneous factors.

Again I state boldly that Nigeria stood behind Joe until it became clear that he was a rudderless ship. Nigeria stood behind him while Turai oppressed him. Don't make it a personal issue. It's not about me or you.