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Harddiskng:
Use fact to refute your opponents argument. That’s sound logic.

So based on your little research what is the terminal velocity of a bullet from an AK-47 sir?

There are so many variables. I can't possibly use values when bullets are shot at closely horizontal angles. But for vertically shot bullets, at roughly angles 90 degrees, terminal velocities of 50ms to 100ms has been flown around, including for AK-47s.

I've agreed before that even at that speeds, they could cause injuries, even significant. But deaths from that is highly unlikely.

There was a report that a falling bullet killed a 4 years old girl in 2012. But you can that may not be the case if it were an adult.

If the bullets are fired at angles closer to 45s, I'd be more dangerous because it could hit stomachs, faces, necks, and chests. And most importantly, there's a horizontally component of the velocities which could be the same as a bullet fired horizontally but has traveled a long distance, so the force (momentum) it strikes a person is less but could hurt badly.

thebosstrevor1:
Another paid subversive instrument.

Your fans can't afford nothing. They only know how to loot and destroy.

This is the same Wizkid that abused and criticize rekado banks for announcing a collab between them during the #endsar palava

See what he doing, doing similar stuff

Exactly my taughts. Such a damn hypocrite.

Harddiskng:
Why TF are you mentioning rain-drop (a liquid), how does that compare to a metal traveling at more than speed of light into the air then coming back down. If you mentioned hail which by the way reaches no where the speed of a bullet i would have even given you a little credit.

At the bolded: all my facts are correct from the weight to the max distance reachable. Google is at your disposal too. Please double check (screenshot attahced: you can see my screenshot even stated a higher number 715m/s).

I am beginning you to think you don’t understand terminal velocity (let me help you with a simple definition: Terminal velocity, maximum velocity attainable by an object freely falling through a gas or liquid).

I ask you again given that all facts i stated about the bullet checks out, at what speed would it hit the ground all things being equal?

The raindrops point, you completely missed it because you have to really be aware of some of the facts somewhat to appreciate what I was driving at. Anyways, it was a digression so don't bother.

GrossPrice:
Here you are.

Distilled and chilled. Damn

Harddiskng:
Why TF are you mentioning rain-drop (a liquid), how does that compare to a metal traveling at more than speed of light into the air then coming back down. If you mentioned hail which by the way reaches no where the speed of a bullet i would have even given you a little credit.

At the bolded: all my facts are correct from the weight to the max distance reachable. Google is at your disposal too. Please double check (screenshot attahced: you can see my screenshot even stated a higher number 715m/s).

I am beginning you to think you don’t understand terminal velocity (let me help you with a simple definition: Terminal velocity, maximum velocity attainable by an object freely falling through a gas or liquid).

I ask you again given that all facts i stated about the bullet checks out, at what speed would it hit the ground all things being equal?

Wow wow wow. Slowly does it.

There's a big difference between muzzle velocity and free fall velocities which invariably leads to terminal velocity.

The screenshot you attached, it was clearly stated that an AK-47 has a muzzle velocity of 715ms I think. NOT terminal.

Muzzle velocity is the velocity it leaves the gun, shot as if you're trying to kill.

Terminal velocities has much to due with gravity and height of travel than anything else. How can a bullet attain a terminal velocity of 715ms if shot vertically into the air when the only quantities responsible for it's velocity is gravity, height and medium resistance?

GrossPrice:
Oga ... . I apologized.
I misunderstood your post because it was incoherent, not because it was lacking in facts; it was poorly presented.

Please send an address where I can have a bottle of Schnapps delivered as a peace offering.
We may have never met or will never meet, however, I am very comfortable admitting my wrongs.

Still, I am sorry for the derogatory language I used.

I was typing that very reply when you apologized, so I didn't see it until after pressing send.

Wow. Why is it so tempting for us to try and name, or qualify things? Incoherent, poorly presented [intelligent]...

However, I do actually love Schnapps though, it's my own alcohol. Where's here again...

Harddiskng:
I like the word high-unlikely.

But with a crowd of people, the chances of it happening sky rockets. One of the determining factor for it causing injury is the bullet point.

From your talk about terminal velocity do a little math, a small object weighing 0.03kg was fired, it travelled at an average of 1,500 miles per hour (670 meters per second): about double the speed of sound. Knowing that a bullet fired into the air can reach up to 10,000 feet. At what speed would it hit the ground, all things being equal (acceleration due to gravity).

If you calculated that then, We have established that while coming down a bullet has more velocity than a stone thrown with human effort haven travelled thousands of miles into the air. Depending of the bullet’s point it more likely to puncture the skin.

...and all know what the bullet point of AK-47s look like.

NB: In no civilized country is shooting live ammunition into the air used to dispersed a crowd. They have even stopped using rubber bullets because of injuries, most civilized countries resolve to water tanks or at most tear gas. Get your facts rights.

When the conditions for terminal velocities is attained, the height of fall doesn't matter any longer. 10000 feet or million feet. Terminal velocity for a given object under the same conditions is going to be the same.

(Think about raindrops, though liquids, they fall from unimaginable heights, if terminal velocity is dependent on height every step of the way, what do you think the impact would be on us? Remember the difference between those bigger, earlier drops from the subsequent, smaller ones when they strike us? Mass)

Your numbers about bullets conventional bullets reaching 670 meters per second, you should check that again. Those are enormous velocities that a bullet or similar projectiles certainly can't obtain. Conventional speeds are 50-100 metres per second.

Now, a bullet can actually penetrate the skin even at 50ms. So, injuries could occur honestly. And if the pointed end strikes eyes and other fragile areas, it could be fatal. I did assume that the angles of projection is roughly 90, I know those soldiers could have fired at more horizontal angles which can be very dangerous for those further back.

You're correct with the NB. I should edit my post perhaps. Police still shoot celebratory bullets into the air, even in the US. Both not on protests and it's not legal anyways.

Points taken.

GrossPrice:
For anyone who did not use a special center or bribe lecturers for bsc/ba, pgd, msc/ma
https://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/calculate-the-range-of-a-projectile-fired-at-an-angle/
Calculate the Range of a Projectile Fired at an Angle

Maybe you're actually intelligent. But I highly doubt that because the word CONTEXT don't exist in your dictionary. I was answering to a direct quote. (I'll admit that I did assume the angle of projection is roughly 90. That's best practice considering the situation)

Now, you come up with how to calculate range! Horizontal distances when the angels could even be 45 degrees? Does our individual position honestly assumed the same conditions.

You can deduce I was focusly on height, free fall, and the effect of momentum on impact. Learn to see the context.

GrossPrice:
Re-read the rubbish you just wrote.

I've done so, you can point out the rubbish. Maybe you can teach me something new today.

SalamRushdie:
Simply the science of failing objects , the higher a bullet goes the more velocity it will fall with , a powerful rifle fired at a higher angle of fire will fall with a velocity higher that bullet fired from a pistol at same angle ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFP3npxlJVk

Thank you for the video. However, it just so happens that I did a lot of physics in school so...

Objects falling from a height will eventually fall with terminal velocity. This means the speed of fall will become constant irrespective of the height of fall. Don't forget there'll be a time the the object's velocity will be zero at maximum height. Then, all objects are been pulled down due to gravitational pull which is constant at 9.8ms'2.

Now, can a bullet kill?, possible. But highly improbable. That's because the mass of a bullet is considerably small and the quantity that'll kill a human is the bullet's momentum. And momentum is mass * velocity. So, you see the mass is small than say, the mass of a sledgehammer or a car or big rock.

Even in civilised societies and in movies too, shooting in the air to disperse crowd or draw attention is practiced because they know it's relatively safe. It's highly unlikely a person dies from the hit of a falling bullet.

SalamRushdie:
OP you are just ignorant about projectile trajectory and science behind it ...A Bullet shot into the Air will fall with almost the same lethal velocity depending on the angle of fire ..Yes Bullets shot into the air can kill anyone it falls on

This is the most fascinating physics I've heard in 7 years. Really?

vikkimimi:
my friend and former course mate couldn't sleep last night till 5 am....steady gunshots everywhere

I hope for the innocents but are you surprised? It's this town the same that beheaded and burnt a policeman yesterday. We didn't hear the ethnicities of the people who perpetrated those beastly behaviours yesterday but we are now told today it's fulanis.

CoolAmbience:
You just got served the transcript...

Have you got any other worry apart from his accent?

I am not surprised that you now prefer a common transcript to a live speech that you all wanted so badly as though your lives depended on it.

Una matter eh....

You'd shake your head in unbelieve when you see that 90% of the commenters are more interested in his accent rather than what the contents actually says.

If a heavily accented Scottish man speaks the language to this people do they think they'll comprehend anything? A people mostly concerned about trivialities.

The speech was more or less what I expected. For those wondering how we got here, read the written speech if you can't understand his accent. Forget trivialities for once.

For those of you who did read the speech, from point 1 to 7, do you consider the actions (or inaction) of the government as those of a party in a dispute who wanted the situation to degenerate to this?

sidonlook:
Thank you president General Muhamadu Buhari.

I am disappointed in the speech. He came telling us things we already know.
If he has achieved so much , why is there so much poverty in the land and so much joblessness in the country.
His speech is also insultive to the international community , that they should say what they know.

His speech was like his usual speeches in the past.

He claimed right and unnecessarily legal.

I feel he did not give enough regard to the youth struggle and the president 's handlers are a bunch of disappointment .

I am disappointed

Yes, his speech was made considering the international attention the situation has degenerated to.

You seem interested in making sense of his position so I'll urge you to read the speech again up to the first 7 point. If the government was truly uninterested in the ENDSARS protests, they wouldn't have conceded that far.

From the 8th point, all he did was to highlight one of our deep rooted problems as a people: NOT KNOWING WHEN TO STOP. We always indulge in anything even if it ends bringing everything down in the long run.

I came across a video on nairaland where it claim protesters (wannabe protesters) brutalized and finally burnt a policeman alive in a part of Igamu in Lagos.

I didn't watch it because I couldn't bear such graphic violence. This is insane. We are insane as a people. I can't be part of such madness in the name of ending a group that's now effectively defunct.

if you're in support of all this madness, is the action of those protesters on that policeman the price you want to pay for your future? I can't be part of that future. There's nothing peaceful about any of this.

hakeem4:
I was never in support of them locking the streets. But killing people is uncalled for now.

I believe you and agree with you. That is where a sensible man applies reason and WISDOM. I'm saddened by the turn of events but I'm not surprised. It was always going to come to this as long as people remained on the streets. We have to admit to ourselves that we as a people don't know when to STOP.

The protests started peacefully and in my opinion, achieved it's initially objectives easily without much bickering from the government. It made no sense for people to demand for what is already theirs. It makes no sense now.

hakeem4:
Anarchy you want and anarchy the youths shall give!

Why would armed soldiers be shooting in the street with live ammunition’s? What happened to rubber bullets ??

At least 90% of us witnessed the Hong Kong protest and we saw how peaceful it was.

Belarus is on day 72 protest. Ordinary 12 days protest. Buhari doesn’t want us to rest.

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Modified, I’m not in support of totally blocking the roads. But why bring live ammunition’s to kill unarmed people why

Why can’t you flog them off the streets

Look at the societies you made example of; Belarus, Hong Kong; they are all light years ahead of us. Do you sincerely in your heart, think ours here is anything similar to theirs with the turn of events recently?

Besides, they in Hong Kong never got their demands and I don't think the Chinese government will ever listen to them. Here, we had this very same Lagos state governor protesting with the youths and traveling to Abuja to table their demands to the President and FG.

The IGP did the unthinkable (officially) by disbanding the squad. For Fuckss sake, what's are people still doing on the streets?

Acidosis:
Any hoodlum that goes after private businesses and critical infrastructure should be seriously dealt with.

I won't lose a minute sleep over any hoodlum that loses his life while destroying people's businesses. The Nigerian army should learn to identify the main enemies of the State. Placard and flag carrying protestors are not your enemies!

And how do they do that? There have been violence already and destroying of private properties. In my own vicinity, people even took goats from the streets, loot shops and extort monies.

Nobody is really surprised at the turn of events. I don't think a sense of responsibility has ever been a strong suit of the average Nigerian before. give us a yard and we would Demand 10.

Perhaps, there's something I don't understand. Is this still a protest or a call for revolution?

obehi247:
The Nigeria government have quickly addressed the international community to enable them use the military...

The organized and simultaneously take over of the peaceful protest by the government is a clear sign that we must continue to speak untill our voices are help

Therefore, we should highlight our demands and send them to the official social media accounts of the international community...

The few oligarchs can not over power our collective voices...

Please copy, paste and share....



*LIST OF WHAT NIGERIA YOUTH WANTS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO BEFORE THEY CAN CALL OF THEIR PROTEST*

October 16, 2020

1. END SARS

2. SACK SECURITY CHIEFS

3. IMPROVE SECURITY

4. FULL DEREGULATION OIL AND GAS
SECTOR TO ALLOW MORE INVESTMENTS FOR JOB CREATION

5. IMMEDIATE PASSAGE OF PIB

6. FULL DEREGULATION OF POWER SECTOR TO ALLOW INVESTMENT CAPITAL FLOW TO GENERATE, TRANSMIT AND DISTRIBUTE MORE POWER AND CREATE JOBS

7. SHOULD HANDS OFF PETROLEUM PRICING TO ENABLE FREE MARKET DETERMINATION OF PRICING

8. CLOSE OUR NORTHERN BORDERS TO STOP FREE ENTRY OF FULANI HERDSMEN AND BANDITS

9. INCLUSIVE GOVERNMENT FOR ALL TRIBES AND REGIONS OF NIGERIA WITH 50% YOUTHS IN CHARGE OF GOVERNANCE

10. ALLOCATE MORE FUNDS TO EDUCATION SECTOR TO PROVIDE BETTER TEACHING TOOLS AND TO PAY BETTER SALARIES TO END ASUU STRIKES

11. CHANGE OUR ACADEMIC CURRICULUM TO REFLECT MODERN DAY REALITIES

12. ALL POLITICIANS SHOULD BE PLACED ON MINIMUM WAGE TO ATTRACT GENUINE PUBLIC SERVANTS

13. MIGRATE TO 100% ELECTORAL REFORMS WITH ELECTRONIC VOTING TIED TO OUR BVN AND GSM

14. RETURN NIGERIA TO REGIONAL GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE OR RESTRUCTURE THE COUNTRY AND EMBRACE TRUE FEDERALISM. STATES AUTONOMY MUST BE PARAMOUNT.

15. DISBAND THE BI-CAMERAL LEGISLATURE AND ADOPT UNI-CAMERAL

16. IMMEDIATELY REFORM NIGERIA POLICE FORCE AND LET EVERY STATE OR REGION CREATE ITS OWN POLICE SERVICE

17. NO MORE BUDGET FOR RUNNING PRIVATE AFFAIRS OF ELECTED AND APPOINTED PUBLIC SERVANTS

18. ENTHRONE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION AS MINIMUM QUALIFICATION FOR PUBLIC OFFICE HOLDERS AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT FROM PRESIDENT TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WARD CHAIRPERSONS

19. STRIP EX-GOVERNORS AND ALL ELECTED AND APPOINTED PUBLIC SERVANTS OF ALL BENEFITS AFTER OFFICE.

20. INCREASE SALARIES OF OUR DOCTORS, NURSES, TEACHERS, POLICE, MILITARY OFFICERS, AND CIVIL SERVANTS

21. GOVERNMENT SHOULD HANDS OFF 70% OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF PUBLIC BUSINESSES AT ALL LEVELS.

22. NAME AND SHAME LOOTERS AND MAKE CRIMINAL OFFENDERS, AND LOOTERS FACE TRIAL IN THEIR HOME STATES AND VILLAGES TO SHAME THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES

23. STOP FOREIGN MEDICAL TRIPS FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS. LET THEM BE TREATED HERE IN NIGERIA. WHEN LAST DID YOU HEAR AMERICAN PRESIDENT OR BRITISH PRIME MINISTER VISIT NIGERIA FOR MEDICAL TOURISM?

24. AGBERO SHOULD ALSO BE BAN IN LAGOS AND ANY OTHER STATE THEY EXIST IN NIGERIA. NO MORE AGBERO

**************************

So, you honestly, sincerely and reasonably think all this can be achieved within days?

This are all the problems that's wrong in Nigeria since time immemorial, before you and I were probably born. To think they can all be wished away in the twinkle of an eye, because people are on the streets sound as a joke.

I supported the movement earlier on. But all I see is madness from both sides that have been the bane of this country. We are all products of this malfunctioning society. To wake up one day and suddenly demand a different society is bordering on laughable.

There's almost no hope for this our society. Monetary value is the first thing most commenters here are likely to base their decision to keep or not keep such gift. What a shame.

Gifts are what they are but they MUST BE APPROPRIATE. Most especially for kids who are still in primary school. A playstation is never an appropriate gift for children at that age. Then the expensive monetary value of it doesn't teach them financial discipline and responsibility.

Nigerians have a problem with living within their means and contentment. That's why anything and everything that brings money is OKAY.

For those shouting 'poverty mentality', If you decide to collect expensive gifts without discretion, that doesn't make you any richer. It only means that you have something in your possession that you may 'want' but don't 'need'. And probably can't maintain.

Parents gifting primary school kids playstation 4, that's like telling them they'll stumble upon wealth in High school.

shaybebaby:
For someone who created a post about general intelligence you are displaying some serious lack of it.
The fact that you cannot make a logical deduction that bollywood is a real world matter makes me embarassed for you.
Bollywood is second largest movie industry after hollywood. Even if it wasn't, the fact that its an industry says that it is a part of the economy and a contributor-generating revenue and contributing to the coffers of the nation. Also apart from actors, there are a range of other professions that make it possible for those movies to be released. From the lowly cleaner, to the professional make-up artist, who by the way would have to brush up their art to work in such an industry.
The demand for the make-up by the artists, generates growth for the beauty industry( their products are selling), consumers of the movies want to look like the actors, that is something fashion houses tap into and to work in that industry, you need to know your chiffon from your crepe, haute couture to street style and be able to predict trends.
I could go on and on and I have never watched a bollywood movie yet could make that leap.
So much for your "intelligence"

Obviously, you are what that OP is not. Sadly, finding people (women, men) who sees "intelligence" from the perspective you highlighted is even more difficult.

JIMMY1393:
What is imposter syndrome?

And have you started making money or still learning ??

A feeling were an individual doubts their talents or abilities, and fear they will be exposed as a fraud or not good enough.

You make money as you learn. You learn as you make money.

Vyzz:
Right now...

How big are u in the programning world...

Do u think u have known almost everything u should in the world.... Like if it was a course, u are the lecturer?...

I don't really get your question. But it general, you can't know all. In tech or programming in particular, things move very fast. It's impossible to keep up with EVERYTHING that's going on. Hence, IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW ALMOST EVERYTHING.

Vyzz:
Did u learn programming online?

I use video courses, and I read books and web articles.

That method works for me because I prefer to learn alone from an already prepared guide, rather than from a tutor like the way we were taught in formal schools (or code bootcamp)

Ayilara1:
Who will answer my question, please.

Data analysis or the html, css and JavaScript route?
Which is better.

I should neglect both and move to something else?

Good advice please.

Take anything you can from this piece:-

When you start using words as 'better' to differentiate two different fields which solves two different problems, it's the first sign that you're approaching with an undesirable mentality.

Considering the topic of discussion and your questions, I think you're about to take a very important decision that will shape your future somewhat from here on. So, it's naturally that you're seeking for advice here.

When I was deciding to learn an IT skill, I literally spent more than a week doing my research and studying up to get a solid "overview".

I read articles on medium specifically. Medium is like the IT world playground. Read articles upon articles. I came across a 108 minutes-long articles on everything IT. It was the longest article I've ever seen written. ALL this I did before STARTING the journey proper.

I went through all those trouble because the last thing you'd want to do is second guess your decision to learn to code or do data science. You may end up spending more than a year without learning anything because your head and heart is not in the right place initially.

It may take you years to grasp any of the path you're contemplating. So take a few days to read ALL WHAT you can about data science and web development, independent of each other.

So don't start asking Google which is BETTER. Instead, ask what is web development and what is data science.

Whether you neglect or do both, focus on asking the right questions first. Don't take shortcuts when you're doing something like a 'feasibility study'.

Since I started on the programming pathway, I've only face what we call the 'imposter syndrome'. But I've never had self-doubt as to whether I made the right decision or not. And you can only give yourself that level of self-assurance when you know the PROS and CONS of what you're into.

Good luck

OJEEMAH:
He can be exciting to watch atimes though. He's not entertaining cos his game is simply about goal scoring unlike Messi that plays with so much flair.

Exactly. Unfortunately for him. The euphoria from a goal only last a few moments and there can only be so many goals in a match.

Breaking News: Chelsea reaches agreement to sign Kai Havertz **

https://www.goal.com/en/news/chelsea-reach-agreement-to-sign-havertz-from-leverkusen-for/19lbwmkdpu62w10a3m7rr51wx3

OJEEMAH:
Not just your vicinity bro. Ronaldo's move to juve changed a lot otherwise Juventus is a boring team to watch. I rarely watch their games except in UCL when they play against tougher opposition.

Obviously. I also only watch if they play a good team in UCL. And CR7 is not in my top 10 exciting players to watch anyways.

freedomeniola:
They don't mark Messi out they most times stop the ball from reaching him

You're right. I've hardly seen any team mark Messi out. Even Mourinho never managed it. You can only stop the ball from always reaching him.

Besides, if he's joining City, I don't know how you'll stop the ball from reaching him. Those guys are pass masters.

[quote author=OJEEMAH post=93422983][/quote]Common man, Hazard makes assists. But I get the overall point

Messi actually does it better in every single point in that facts than those individuals could actually manage. Yes, a better playmaker, a better assist maker, a better dribbler and a better goalscorer (goals per match).

If people around my vicinity now watch Juventus match because of Ronaldo, how much more Man City's matches that people already watches? And more so, Messi is THAT PLAYER you pay to watch. Because as soon as he touches the ball. Expect Magic!

As a football fan, I want the City deal to happen with all my heart. The chance to watch Messi week in week out in the EPL is simply too Legendary to miss out. I'm a Chelsea fan but I want City to pull it off as soon as possible. There are my least hated rivals in the EPL.

People who are trying to compare undermine the impact a 33 year old Messi can have in the EPL are in for a rude awakening. If a 35 year old Ronaldo or a grandpapa Ibrahimovich can have such a huge impact on their teams at Juventus and AC Milan, how much more a Messi, the single most Outstanding and unbelievable football player most people have ever seen? Coupled that with the fact he's presumably going to Man city, a team that already scores 100+ goals in the EPL alone in each of the last 3 seaaons.

City play football the Barca way better now and they have brlliant players already, especially in attack. Imagine Messi not bothering himself too much with laying assists but instead, Focusing on finishing the ones debruyne, Bernardo silver, Gundugan lays for him! Messi will be on debruyne's right hand side while Aguero and sterling on Messi's left, perfect arrangement.

IF City go get Messi and a center back like Koulibaly, I'm sorry. The EPL is over. They'll win it again. For sure their problem was defending and not scoring. But with Messi, they'll start scoring THAT crucial first goal. I don't think City ever losses IF they score you first.