The "miracle" is the trick.

Joagbaje:

At least we agree it's a miracle , not a trick. The question now is by what power?

Mark 9:39-40
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

And you think that that is a challenge because...?

Weed-r-us.

Your god can decide to "test your faith", you know. He has done it to many in the bible OT, so why not you?

Tenderly1: what kind of a question is dis?anywayz my God won't ask me 2 do such a thing.

Mr Anony probably will. After all, the order will be coming from the highest "moral" authority.

I think you will want to ask dead persons that. They are the ones in better position to tell you. Or perhaps you want to find out for yourself.

FMK: last time in our municipal church yard we went to dig a grave to bury one of our brother of the organization(choir) but it happened when we have been digging we found bones and skull of someone had been burried several years before blunkets and some woods of cofin we wonder ourself questining each other what happens when someone dies ? not sure that we get a life in hale and scheol where we go when we die ?

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They would appreciate that very much.

MsDarkSkin:

oh yeah.
the atheists would find themselves staring @ me face to face...when in doubt.

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That is hardcore, but transparency is gold, i guess.

Omo Alata: I would expose all false prophets and pastors immediately and publicly. From out of their own mouths, in full view of their congregation, I would make them proclaim, "I AM FAKE"; "I USE JUJU-POWER" or something like that

Thirded. Transparency is gold.

manmustwac: Seconded

Why do i have to define anything? If a kidnapper wants you to vanish without a trace, you will do just that. It is not impossible.

And why should god "grab" you or anybody else for that matter? Abi your god don turn kidnapper?

Sam Milla:

How do you define a kidnapping without a trace?
How do you define rapture with a trace?
If i am walking alone and a kidnapper grabbed me.... And if i am walking alone and God grabbed me,
Can you tell me the differences since no one saw either of them.

E don start to dey happen? Shey na rapture you dey talk of or kidnapping?

Sam Milla: This question is for my Christian brothers and Sisters who believe in Rapture.

Why do you people report to Police, radio stations and TVs whenever someone from your family disappears?

Just a question.

LOL!! Who needs a prophet for this, anyway?

MOST HIGH??!!

oluyolah: Our Most High Prophet T.B JOSHUA at exactly 04.55pm during the Live service on Sunday 26th August 2012 Announced to the Whole World that People should not leave their Laptop On while sleeping on the bed to avoid been Overheating and it can result in Burning Down every thing in the house. he continue warning people that many people have died because of the overheating from the laptop.

Ha! BLASPHEMY!!! You no no sey Jesu na proper IT geek? IBM laptop made in conjunction with Apple na. One of it's kind in the universe.

Delafruita:
if i may askk,what sorta computers would the "lord" use on the last day to pull out all the files?will the computers be transported from earth or is it been assembled in the heavens?when next you "see" yeshwa,do warn him not to get softwares,especially the operating system, from china.they might be pirated

Besides, there is no man without his maker. He is only without religions which attempt to create his maker for him. Every man has his maker no matter what his school of thought is.

None. I don't do divides. I don't strive in strifes. I work with wholeness, mate. It is all about holarchy with me. Everything is intertwined. Why create divides where there is none?

mkmyers45:

What divide are you on?

LOL!

Not unwittingly at all, brethren. I know exactly what i said. Without creation there will be nothing to do the reasoning to begin with. Think about that.

I do not come from the atheistic side of the divide, by the way. In fact, i am not part of that divide.

Mr_Anony:
Unwittingly, you have just made the theist's argument
which is: without a creator, there will be no creation including man.
without a creation, there will be no reason to believe that a creator exists.
The creation therefore is evidence that there must be a creator.

If he could, why hadn't he? Why does he bother so much with living sentient beings like us humans to worship him? Perhaps because we are the only ones who could make him feel like a deity he so wanted to feel like? Stones can't talk, sing and praise. Your god would look an ass with stones standing in front of him immobile. Is he that desperate? If he is that desperate, now that would be a shocker.

Omo Alata:

God can raise up stones to praise & worship Him. Now, there's the shocker!!!

Are you sure that what you have been told is god is a spirit? Are you sure about that?

Billyonaire: With due respect. Can you expand on what you mean by "The mind of the creator is the universe." Spirit is far beyond the emotional plane of existence where mind is applicable. What we call "God" is spirit, and spirit is far beyond mind and the mental consciousness.

Man is nothing without his creator, you are quite right. Now comes the shocker, the creator is nothing without it's creation.

Jentiliti: What do you have to say about man's making it without God in the system of things? Share your views and lets know what you think.

To torture himself for the day.

lavita2:
Then why are you there in the first place?
What's the point of it?

The mind of the creator is the universe. Or maybe i should say the universe is part of the mind of the creator. Making this kind of distinctions is nonsensical, therefore. Next!

Billyonaire: I am here not to analyze anything but to ask honestly in order to seek level of understanding of the consciousness of forumites before chipping in some hard truth:

Which is greater. Is it God or the Universe ?

Tory. What about catholic mafia bosses? They are in service repenting while their thugs are out killing people at the very same time they are carrying out their repentance. Brethren, repentance guarantees nothing, either.

truthislight:

restitution does not gurrantees that the person will not repeat it in the future.

Consider an individual that money is no object that goes on a pedophilia.

If and when cought he makes restitution and off he goes.

But when the opportunity presents itself in the future he is more then willing to repeat the same acts cus he has the money to make restitution.

So, you see the vices cant stop it simply goes on.

But repentance is an inward thing that comes from the root of the action the "heart"

once the repentance comes from the mind of the person the hatred for such action is then develop and sustain and is difficult for the INDIVIDUAL to cotinually do such things deliberately all the time cus it will be troubling the persons mind.

You must be talking about the abrahamic versions, no?

obadiah777: ATR are strong delusions. these fools are in a trance. they are spiritual zombies.

The will not go into extinction but they will go underground. Going underground is by no means new to them, anyway. They've been there before and if needed, they will return there. But it will never go extinct.

souldust: with the rapid growth of the abrahamic religions in africa and the crusade against the Gods of the land, what do you think is the future of the ATR.

I do think the ATR will never go to extinction. This is just my take on it.

Yes, i did.

jayriginal:

Did you read everything I wrote on the subject or just that post ?

This is such a lie and you know it. It seems, in your view, that everybody should pick only two sides set up by two different groups based on what their beliefs and non-beliefs are. Absolute crock. Agnostics don't have to follow any of the two groups. That would be intellectually dishonest. Jayriginal, you will never get any more intellectually honest with yourself if you learn to say to yourself, i am not sure. That leaves room for further research and investigation on the subject. The mind is always open and searching not closed up. That is how to learn. It is quite amazing how similar the religionists and atheist are, really. I thought, for a moment, that i was replying to a religious fanatic there.

jayriginal:
The truth is, there is no halfway between belief. You either do or you dont. The "maybe" answer is actually a no, but sounds non commital. You cannot maybe believe or maybe not. Saying you dont believe there is a god is not the same thing as saying you believe there is no god.



Lol

I'd have to say you are wrong about agnostics by your proclamations here. Agnostics, unlike atheists, do not completely reject the notion of a supreme creator. They are just not sure about it but still keep an open mind about it.

Quite different from atheists who have completely closed up their mind to the possibility of the aforementioned concept. That is how atheists got the label they go around in, no? An agnostic says, "I don't know. I can't say anything conclusive on the existence of a supreme creator because i do not have enough data to utter anything conclusive on the matter but i know that there is something responsible for this existence." An atheist, on the other hand, utters conclusively that there is no such being. He/she has to do that to justify his/her own label as an atheist.

What is an atheist without that which he/she rejects?

jayriginal:

An agnostic is an atheist.

An agnostic does not believe in god.

As LogicBoy jokingly put it, an agnostic is an atheist without b[i]a[/i]lls.

Oh, it does have relevance. If your god is so omnipotent, he would not have wasted his omnipotence trying to show it to humans of the time through wicked deeds against them just to impress... and of today like yourself for instance who is obviously greatly impressed by the misuse of power by this psychopath you call your god.

Moreover, if your bible god were so omnipotent, he wouldn't have had to be so afraid of losing the loyalty of humans to other gods so much. "Thou shall worship no other god but me".Does that sound familiar? That is the sign of a very insecure deity who knows that he is anything but omnipotent.

Mr_Anony:
I fail to see how your comment is relevant to this thread. The thread is about God's omnipotence as relates to a particular verse.
If you have a problem with God's behaviour, vex and go and create your own universe.

Whether you "fear" god or not, you will reach that eternal life. Fear is not the key to eternal life. Whoever who tells you that is your enemy and is THE BEAST.

vizman4i: make we fear GOD now and reach enternal life....