Insane people hardly ever know that they are insane.

buzugee: no i am not insane. not even a lil bit

I see, so you are not a Nigerian, then? And i am here taking this person with a huge naija omplex on himself seriously. You think Nigerians need bible thumping fools like you to tell them how to live? Mtschew!!

Now i don't know which country you come from, nor do i really care to know, but do us all a favour and go back wherever that is and stay there. As long as you just steer clear of the forum of garbage eating Nigerians. We don't need you and your furcking yahawah in here. Thank you.

buzugee: if you knew how to eat you wouldnt be dying of cancer and heart diseases and diabetes. so yes you need the bible. especially you nigerians. you eat scavengers like snails. that is like easting dustbin. these are the scavengers of the world. pigs, lobster, shrimp, snails, pork. these animals were put on earth to be garbage disposal not food. thats why you be dying like chickens. cuz you dont know how to eat. read the levitical laws on what to eat and what not to eat.

I think Rossike is spot on, mate. No need to start calling him names. The creator of the universe has encoded the life manuals into the creation itself for all humans to read from as they grow up, not in some vile books that came to us from the middle eastern part of the planet via evil, slave trading oyinbos.

buzugee: The rantings of a myopic- carnal minded- pugnacious- im-becile. the answer to all the issues you raised is in the bible. if only you can get past admiring the pictures and actually focus on the text, you wouldnt have shown your azz as a non-reading heathen.

So, in your wisdom, you think we humans should read the bible to learn how to do the most basic things of modern life like eat, live, dress etc? How many people actually need the bible for all that? Only you, apparently. I definitely do not need that vile book to learn how to live a normal life. Experience teaches most people how to live and do those basic things that you mentioned in this existence, not the bible.

You are even farther out there in your thinking than i originally thought. So, without the bible, you wouldn't know how to talk, walk, eat, sleep, drink, operate computers(lol!), listen to music, read a book, use a telephone, get on a bus, on a plane, drive a car....

Dude, someone needs to put you on a time machine and send you back to year 4000 bce, since you and i feel you don't belong in this era.

buzugee: Bruh, the bible is not a religion. it is a book of history and prophesys and a manual of instruction in how to live. if you buy a fridge it comes with a manual of instruction. same with a tv and a computer. so why do you think the creator of man will not give us a manual of instruction in how to eat, live, dress etc ? all those are in the bible. how to eat, dress, live, treat each other and the repercussion of not treating each other well. thats all the bible is. a manual of instruction. out of this manual of instruction, when the romans took control of the world they used these scrolls to form religions so as to divide and conquer people. the romans formed the religion christianity and roman catholicism and islam. gerrit ? so religion as a whole whether it is christianity or islam or buddhism etc are all man made rubbish.

And lifestyles aren't manmade, buzugee? Any religion can claim itself to be a lifestyle, if you must know. Any group, sect, cult... Apple Mac usage is considered a lifestyle by mac users. It changes little in the end. Pap water na still pap.

buzugee: first off it is not a religion. it is a lifestyle. religion is man made invention

secondly, you worship the lord by loving your fellow man. that doesnt sound like idolatry to me. if i feed a beggar or if i help a widow fetch water from the well, or if i help an old man go get his medicine because he is wheelchair bound etc etc. these are how the lord wants you to worship him. any other extra stuff like gathering together in your best sunday attire and whatnot ? that is all man made. see if you read the bible properly you would know all these things. and i aint talking about only the new testament neither. start from Job and work your way through the major prophets like isaiah, jeremiah, ezekiel, daniel, then on down to joel, hosea, malachi, nahum, habbakuk, micah etc etc and then all the new testament. the old testament, especially the book of jeremiah is anti-pastors

Rubbish, burugee. There is no officially proper way of practicing that religion. It has always been like that since the 1st century. And moreover, worshiping the "creator", as you put it, is also idolatory. Afterall, you have to worship that creator in a place of worship, right?

buzugee: what they are practicing in nigeria is not christianity. get it right. what they are practicing is idolatry. they worship the created ( pastor chris tb joshua oledepo ) more than the creator.

The christian ways is the greatest recruiter/converter of the brethrens to atheism. Look at the OP, he is already tired of the "christian" ways he was brought up in which was the reason for having opened this thread. Christianity, especially the one practiced in Nigeria, is driving people to atheism and fast. The religion is becoming more and more obtrusive in their lives with the 6-7 days a week worship as well as the massive financial burden it is putting on them by demanding tithing each and every time they attend all these "extra-sunday" worship days. To the OP (and rightly so), the religion he is in is fast becoming a nuisance in his life. Everybody needs some privacy sometimes. Dedicating a day to service per week is more than enough.

But your bible god isn't perfect, so how do you expect her to accept what is basically false? You are a confused human being.

Mr_Anony:
You are dancing around again. How do you conform to your own character? How you behave is simply how you behave. You can only conform to a character that is not distinctly yours.
The thing with you is that you refuse to accept that God is perfect so you are trying to divorce Him from perfection. For you to successfully do that, you must provide a more-perfect-than-God entity that God must conform to.

Oh, i love god's teachings, especially his teachings on how to kill my fellow human in the bloodiest of ways. Fantastic.

No, frosbel, that is not true. YOU are the only way to YOUR own salvation. Each man is the only way to his/her salvation. Nobody can lead you to your own salvation but you. Jesus was just the finger that points you to this fact and nothing more.

Old buddhist saying; "The finger pointing to the glory of the moon is not the moon. It is just a finger pointing to the moon."

Jesus was just a finger, a sign board pointing each man down the path towards the glory of his/her own salvation that only he/her can journey to. Sorry folks, Jesus ain't going to do your task for any of you no matter how much you follow, grovel and worship. That is not how it works, frosbel.

I think the problem is that Nigerians are so pumped overfull with judaism light(christianity) and judaism arab version(islam) that they no longer know who or what they are, anymore. They are now spending the remainder of their lives living a life of lies and self-deceit. A tragic state to be in, but there you have it.

PAGAN 9JA:
Is Judaism the real culprit for giving birth to 2 of the naughtiest religions in the world: c___________ & i_______ .


and yes. i am back after a long break. Beware.

Lol! God witnessed it before he woke up.

Were they even ever related?

cyrexx:

but why not emulate his father Yahweh, how do you separate a son's character from his father's especially when the father has not disowned his son and the son never condemned his father's actions?

I can't emulate Jesus(even though i admire what he stood for) but the only thing i can do is be the best i can possibly be as a human being. More i cannot do. I am definitely not going to worship him. That's for sure.

Moreover, just for the record, i do neither believe nor accept that Jesus was the return of the butcher god Yahweh. Jesus was his own man and that showed in his ways which was far far away from that of the bloodthirsty butcher god of the OT.

Mr_Anony:
God ticked that box when He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ. I give you Jesus Christ as your standard for morality. Emulate Him and you can never go wrong.

Who are you? You are that you are, i guess.

Mr Anony, this is for you.

A person, whatever that person might want to be known by(angel, deity, fairy, whatever), who wants to be seen as a source of moral authority, must be ready to live an open life full of such wise and humane acts and deeds that every other human being would aspire to copy and emulate such in their own lives. That is my own idea of a moral authority personified or deified. This person or deity called yahweh is neither such a person nor such a deity.

RAF (Religious Allied Force) more like it.

cyrexx:


nice and commendable coalition both of you in the S.A.F. (Spiritual Allied Force)

He does not have a name, yet you go on to say that his name is I AM or YAHAWAH? Is that not a name? Haven't you pigeon hole him already? Make up your mind and stop going round in circles, dude.

buzugee: you still dont get it. the lord does not have a name. you cant pigeon hole him with a name. he has no name. so what he was trying to tell moses by saying 'i am' sent you, is that he is everything you see in the universe. i am the whole world. i am the universe. i am the creator. i am the be all and end all. i am the beginning and the end. gerrit ? so he has no physical name, so we call him 'i am' meaning he encompasses everything in life. its what he calls himself and it is what we will call him. I AM. YAHAWAH

Are you sure he still knows who he is? He's been pumped so full of the shyte that he no longer knows what or who he is.

Martian:

lmao, you'll just treat it like you treated slavery and try to redefine what it mean.\
Negro, you're black. Stop bending over backwards in order to defend jewish shenanigans found in that book.

That is because using your jewish deity as an authority in morality is absolutely nonsensical. That is why you do not deserve a better answers than the ones i gave you. Your god is a moral stinker. Satan is a better moral authority than he was, according to the scriptures you hold dear, that is.

Mr_Anony:
God's laws are subject to Him. He is not bound by them. He isn't trying to win public approval, He is already supreme.

Lol, this is not even worth a response.

c) what is evil must always be evil and what is good must always be good i.e good is rewarded and evil is punished,= how is this going to occur when your jewish god himself is the epitome of evil. That alone has totally discredited him from the onset.
Remember, you haven't yet defined evil based on our criteria, so you are not justified in calling God evil.


Again more nonsense from you. I will advise you to go back to the beginning of the thread and go through it so that you can argue in context. You emotional responses are poor.

The jewish deity was confronted with a pesky jew demanding to know his name and he sidestepped him by telling him that he is what he is and that has turned to his name? Oh man!

If i don't want to tell you my name, buzugee, i would probably tell you the same thing. "I AM WHO I AM", as my first name. And, "SO STOP ASKING ME S.T.U.P.I.D QUESTIONS", you might as well take that as my surname. My name would then be, for short, I AM SO STOP!!

buzugee: God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

'I AM' has sent me to you. i think that is self explanatory

You are not in your mind either. "I AM WHO I AM" was never a name and the jewish deity never put it forward as his name. Please wake up and reread what you wrote there. If anything, the jewish deity refused to give his name to Moses in that statement.

buzugee: i see you done finally lost whats left of your mind bruh

exodus 3 vs 14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

I AM is not a name, buzugee. Even in the scriptures, the jewish deity never introduced himself with the name, I AM. He did not say, "Hello. My name is I AM, but you can call me Yahawah/Yahweh/Jehovah for short." It is just people putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 10.

buzugee: I may as well call him SANGO if the name is not important. scripture says And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved JOEL 2 VS 32. that name is important bruh. we aint worshipping no yahweh. Yahawah is the name of the lord. scripture says he said 'I AM'. I AM is then translated in the original hebrew language called lashawan qadash and that means YAHAWAH. get the name right

Thank you o jare! This Mr Anony is living in his own lala land.

Kay 17:

LOOL!! Total unsatisfactory!

If murder is not God's nature, why is the Bible filled with commands of murder?

Pap water na still pap. Whether it is Yahweh or Yahawah, they are one and the same. Leave the name game play for children.

buzugee: i dont worship yahweh. i worship Yahawah. Yahawah is Lashawan qadash for 'I AM'

The point of Christianity is to keep people blind, in darkness and in bondage so that they can't know their left from their right. The more victims it can garner, the more people will be walking on this planet totally blind and in bondage. That is the point and the purpose of christianity and it's likes.

Cheers01: Seriously?

If there is nothing you can do that an atheist/agnostic can not do, what is the point?

What is the point if majority of all pastors and priests from the beginning of christianity (from the popes in the 2nd century to Pastor Chris/Creflo Dollar) are frauds that have been caught molesting, stealing and distorting?

Seriously?


What is the point when creationists have been caught lying and distorting to make their claims scientific?


What is the point when the bible has been exposed with its contradictions (e.g, incest is bad but Abraham married his step sister, Sarah?)

What is the point of christianity when every investigated miracle turns out to be a hoax or scientifically explainable?

And which side is the "right" side? Yours? How do you know that yours is the right side? Don't you support and worship the evil Yahweh? And you say you don't want scoffers and scorners.

Very well then. I will use your own criteria.

a) It must not waver and must not change with the wind i.e. what was once evil will not suddenly become good and vice versa(note this is different from it's permissiveness): = Your god wavers. He flip flops. He does not keep to the moral standards he set for normal jewish people himself. And don't dare tell me that he does not have to because he is a deity. If he wants to be seen as a deity, then that is exactly what he has to put himself under; LIVE AND LEAD BY EXAMPLE. Something he was not matured enough to pull off.

b) The ultimate judge must be firm. = Firm in what? In flip-flopping? The only thing he was firm in is indiscriminate and senseless butchery of innocent human beings.

c) what is evil must always be evil and what is good must always be good i.e good is rewarded and evil is punished,= how is this going to occur when your jewish god himself is the epitome of evil. That alone has totally discredited him from the onset.

d) but this doesn't mean that If the judge chooses to be merciful and not punish an evil, that it automatically makes that evil good because the judge allowed it for the time being. = your jewish god is a juvenile delinquent and should crawl back to his mama. When we are talking about moral authority, he should never come into mention.

Next!

Mr_Anony:
Then please judge my God by those criteria, point out where He fails and then provide a better moral judge. We have been throwing lots of gods against those standards for some days now. Be my guest, join in the fun.

So what makes you think that your jewish god fits any of these criteria? The same bible - his own words, allegedly - clearly shows that he does not come even close to fitting any of the criteria. So on what grounds are your arguments based, because i don't see any. An authoritative source of morality who himself is immoral, evil to the core and parochial is only worth considering as a piece of butt joke.

Mr_Anony:
Please before you butt into the argument from outer space please, read the criteria we set for the ultimate moral judge in pages 2 and 3.

Like the unholy lust that occurred amongst the bible god's own people, the alleged first family?

Mr_Anony:

There is a huge difference between love and lust my friend. No relationship whatsoever can exist without an amount of love. for incest to occur, an unholy lust must come in.

If only he were nicer, more intelligent and wiser, he would've made Mr Anony's endeavor of convincing us of his authority a whole lot easier. But as it stands...

thehomer:

Are you seriously saying that the God of the Bible is an authoritative source of morality? I ask because there are good reasons why he isn't worthy of being a source of morality.

Haven't you guys been through this topic a million times before? You are all yet to be any wiser. So what is the point? If the bible god is the origin of life on this planet, what is the origin of his life? If nobody can know the answer to that, why keep asking the question over and over again? Totally senseless.

noetic16: Okay the crux of the debate has been the existence (theism) or nihilance (atheism) of God. You would agree with me that after a long while on this forum, atheists have been unable to produce any credible or plausible evidence to either support their assertions that there is no Jehovah God or to back up their theories with regards to the source and origin of life. This is quite disheartening, considering the level of noise atheists make on this forum.

You would also agree with me, that logically the best way to analyse the God question would be to answer the question of the origin of life. Because if for instance, there is plausible and exceptional evidence or logic which proves that the universe or life has no creator, catalyst or super-intelligence behind it, then it would once and for all assert that there is no God. But at the moment, everything logical illustrates the influence of a super-intelligence behind the present material world (universe) and life itself.

The floor is open. There is just one question; what is the origin of life as we see it today?