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Martinez39s:
Like, I don't know why people keep confusing how a female goes about her lust with how she goes about her survival and committed relationships. The rules are different.

When it comes to lust, a female will choose the guy that turns her on and gets her in the mood regardless of his social class. That's why a rich woman will fùck a hot gym rat that turns her on even though he is barely struggling to pay his rent and isn't fit to tie the shoe lace of her beta husband financially. Lust is a short term thing and what matters at that moment is the satisfaction of that lust, not your ability to pay the bills and give her expensive gifts. Such a guy can be above or below her in social status, rich or poor.

When it comes to committed relationships, particularly courtship and marriage, a woman will choose the best financial option available to her. It doesn't matter if he is a beta, alpha, redpillers or simp. All that matters is financial stability, her comfort and survival, which all boils down to your resources. You ability to satisfy her lust doesn't count as it cannot buy bread. If you are a redpiller with a great sexual appeal and a masculine frame made of adamatium or vibranium, the woman you are discussing marriage with will overlook you and pick the man that has more resources than you even if he the most pathetic simp and he is so unattractive and disgusting. She will pick him even if she has to share him with other women. Women don't marry based on lust and your ability to satisfy them in bed, they consider your resources and what you can provide, and they will keep swinging, at any time, to the better financial option available to them. This is hypergamy. Hypergamy is innate, it only cares about now and it doesn't sleep.

Martinez39s:
People will do well to their due diligence on what the red pill is all about and acquaint themselves with this space and the terms used here if they have made up their minds to pitch their tents here. Lack of due diligence leads to facetious statements and points, and it painfully causes painful repetitions of basic stuffs by redpillers to correct ignorant and off point talk. Due diligence would have eliminated this and it's an eyesore when this happens.

People who take time (as they wisely scheduled) to painstakingly read this thread from the first page instead of succumbing to the urge to comment and spread their wings don't have two heads. GOSH!

Will Smith is a king in his field. He has maximised his potential and amassed a fortune, yet he is a beta and simp as far the red pill is concerned. What does that tell one about who the alpha is as far as the red pill is concerned? (Remember, this thread is "strictly redpill" What does that tell one about the bearing wealth and success have on determining who is beta or alpha? There are other men, even famous ones, who are successful and are kings in their fields, but are betas and simps as far as the red pill is concerned.

Wealth and success don't stop one from being simp and beta, and they alone don't make one an alpha as far as the red pill is concerned.

The word "alpha" is indeed a contextual term generally. The man who is an alpha in the business world or academic world is not necessarily an alpha in other areas, even as far as the red pill is concerned. People must understand that this is a red pill thread and they must understand what terms (eg beta, alpha, simp) mean in light of the red pill. What the word "alpha" means in the business world is different from what it means in the red pill. In the chess world, the alpha males are the top grandmasters, and the alpha among them is the world champion. The world champion can be a beta and simp as far as the red pill is concerned.

Being a red pill alpha doesn't mean you shouldn't be an alpha in other areas; no redpiller said one shouldn't. Telling people what the red pill alpha is doesn't mean that is all one must be. We even champion the idea that one should put himself first and make money. People should let the red pill be the red pill. People should stop acting like the red pill is an all-encompassing manual that teaches you how to be the ideal man in all aspects of life and it dictates your behaviour in all these aspects. As one is learning the red pill, one must also try to learn other things because the red pill doesn't teach everything or concerns itself with every thing. Red pill doesn't cover all aspects of life. Red pill spaces are not where you try to sound worthy and feel good about yourself. Learn!

Even you Ubunja and others have explained this several times (I brought two links out of many and one picture below). People should let the red pill be the red pill.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048178/reality-every-guy-need-know/1248#110516968

https://www.nairaland.com/6048178/reality-every-guy-need-know/1242#110474155

Martinez39s:
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Let's say you have read the The 48 Laws of Power. Someone who has read The 48 Laws of Power will have success implementing what he has read against others and even against you to some extent if you are unaware of his knowledge (sometimes we losen up and don't always analyse, read meaning into and suspect everything; and we don't remember vividly all we've read). However when that person tells you he/she has read the book, you become alert and might find yourself reading meanings in his/her action to see where he/she is possibly applying these laws... and you wouldn't want to fall for his/her "tricks (who would?). If the person has been pulling such moves on or plans to pull such, you are more likely to notice it. You see him/her in a slightly more machiavellian light than before, unlike when you thought he/she was a bit clueless and being honest in some of their actions. Sometimes, even when they are not pulling any "tricks" from that book and doing things honestly, you are still reading certain unnecessary intents to their actions and speeches. This analogy shows you additional effects (additional to the previous paragraph) of letting a woman know your source.

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The notable exceptions to my write-up are as follows:
(1) if she has no other options and your association with her is very beneficial (especially financially), you can leverage on this to make some rules and put her bullcraps in check. However, she will yield unwillingly because it ensures the benefits, but her pùssy won't get wet for you ever again. Showing her sexual best to you and doing the nasty stuffs —that she would have willing done to the alpha— will be unavailable to you; you are a turn-off.

If left to her, she would have distanced herself from you sexually and still want the benefits. The difference between you and the perceived natural alpha is that she yields to him of her own accord and readily makes herself available because he inspires genuine desire and her feelings are involved. Your leverage (the benefits) can only go so far.  Genuine desire can't be negotiated. To experience profound and maximum success in your new red pill awareness IN ALL ASPECTS, starting afresh is the only way.

(2) If you made all these mistakes as a little kid in school and many years elasped before you met again; you can create a new impression. If the simping was minimal and wasn't a big-time, blatant mistake, the better chances you have at correcting them.
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I am not advocating divorce or the dissolution of your relationship. I am just reporting on how I see things. Even in marriage and relationships, there are things that you do that will irreversibly damage sexual attraction from your woman and level of respect as a alpha; despite this, relationships and marriages still continue despite the damaged because of financial benefits from the man, investments, convenience and diminished options. Heck, even betas are married to women who don't find them attractive and worthy of respect, but they move along because he has the benefits she married him for. A lot of husbands have lasting marriages, but they will never get to the sexual results and unalloyed lust from their wives that an alpha has gotten and can get from her. A woman's heart and pùssy can desire someone else, but she will endure a lifelong marriage if it benefits her.

I am just reporting as I know things are.

I welcome counter opinions; let's compare notes. I am forever opening to learning and reorientation.

Martinez39s:
^{NB: my write-up applies especially to spinning plates and maintaining rotation; you know, when it is all about lust and fùcks. To a good extent, it can also be applied to serious relationships and marriage since your respect, your frame and sexual attraction from your woman are important components of the dynamics.}

I might want to add some clarification for the sake of discussion. First of all, I COULD BE WRONG, sajmark was probably not referring to marriage; you know most people, even I, in this country use "relationship" and "marriage" differently. Na so e be for naija and some parts of the world even though marriage is also a relationship. That being said, l move to want to duscuss.

If you have been simping (especially big-time simping) to a woman; if you have been a confirmed beta to a woman; if you have defied certain red pill principles to the detriment of her attraction towards you (eg crying, telling her your emotional problems); and she has "seen you finish," your simp/beta status is indelibly registered in her psyche. It will be impossible for her to perceive you as an alpha again and yield positively to your red pill/alpha moves. When you try to make alpha moves, she sees you as a beta who is acting a borrowed script and trying to be what you are not; as a result, she will perceive that you are manipulatively playing a game on her or, precisely put, trying to play a smart one on her and cross your boundaries. Your new efforts will fail for two simple reasons:

(1)  Your past beta self has become your identity and innate personality to her so that it now comes across as unbelievable and fake when you gyrate like an alpha and make red pill/alpha moves. She won't buy it. You are forever a turn-off. You simply can't command from her the respect, willing compliance, genuine desire (aka lust), and sexual openness an alpha commands. This is why in order to experience profound and maximum success in your new red pill awareness in all these aspects, starting afresh is your best and easiest option. If you apply red pill newly with that female you have done all those beta, simpish and nonredpill stuffs for and it is not working, move along and don't stress yourself. Women plenty.

(2) Female ego naturally won't condone succumbing to what she perceives as tricks and fakery coming from a man she perceives as a simp and beta in and out. Women take glory in playing the simp/beta, not the other way round. Women are wired to only willingly succumb and yield sexually to the man who she thinks is naturally an alpha, a man who naturally "gets it" and who she thinks have alpha/red pill sharpness and qualities in his DNA and isn't faking it. This can be called a natural feminine fantasy since no man is natural endowed with red pill awareness at birth and such has to be acquired with experience and exposure. As a result of this, women will willingly give the pùssy to, yield to and break rules for the alpha guy in whom she has seen no traces simping and weakness. He, unlike the beta and simp, gets the utmost sexual openness and her hòe side without much effort and spending a penny... genuine desire (aka unalloyed lust). This is why first impression matters and would set the tone of the encounter. This is why in order to experience profound and maximum success in your new red pill awareness, starting afresh is your best option.

Remember, only alphas can succeed with alpha moves. Betas can't get away with or succeed in making alpha moves; they will meet failure and stiff resistance from females who have seen them as betas.

My point in (2) is the reason why some guys would have noticed something: when you are running game on women and things are going smoothly, everything goes south when she discovers that you are watching and reading red pill contents and materials. In her mind, she is like "He is probably a beta and not a born alpha who naturally "gets it, hence he depends on online help and tricks from others to teach it game and manly frame. He has probably been tricking me and faking it all along and he isn't a natural alpha." She would lose interest rather than risk being a "victim" of the tricks and fakery of a beta and simp; she wouldn't risk it or give you benefit of doubt as her ego is at stake.

This is why many redpillers will advice you to never tell a female you are gaming that you are learning and consuming red pill contents and materials (online or offline). Don't let her see you reading or watching them or find out by any means that you are consuming them. Seal your mouth from using terms that shows your are learning of consuming red pill. Hide your red pill books and sources. Instead, be silent about your red pill awareness and let your actions speak for you from the first impression so that it looks as if they come naturally to you. This will make things easier for you and, sometimes, even less likely for her to intercept, anticipate or be aware of what is going on while she is focused on dealing with the alpha. She won't fear any beta tricks since she thinks you are a natural and she will drop her guard and yield

Let's say you have read the The 48 Laws of Power. Someone who has read The 48 Laws of Power ....

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Skepticus:
Saviolamemphix, it's the same thing Junnior and a few others are hinting on. There is no 50/50 equality in marriage. Anyone who believes that is very ignorant. One would exceed each other. In this case, it's my advise for men to take the highest share while the woman takes the a minimal portion to be "invested" except you are super-rich or being born into wealthy royalty where the woman doesn't even have to drop a kobo or do domestic duties (like a trophy wife) and won't also cheat as there are severe social consequences of she doing that.

DEMZEE is talking about total dominance - Hard Patriarchy which is highly impracticable in the 21st century except you are going to pick a wife from some pre-modern society in the amazon or some hyper-rural parts of Africa. Even to the woman, he is still a HIGH VALUE SLAVE trapped in the insecurity of his ego. With the modern woman already exposed to tropes of women liberation and feminism, it's a waste of valuable time and unnecessary accumulation of mental stress for a man to seek total domination of a woman. It's possible though but you have to work yourself flat out to be mega rich which is not entirely within your control.

Money makes a lot of thing easy for a man and men must strive to make it, though in reality, only a minimal percentage of men would make money to last his lifetime and death. There would always be rank and class among men. The basic thing for a man is to have his own space (SHELTER either yours or rented) and a means of earning income. If you are not there yet, strive to achieve this, from there, you can move into building bigger things within which time, chance and effort can afford you.

That said, I'll clear things up here being red pilled means putting your own needs first as an individual whether rich, managing or flat out broke. I see people talk about making money and self improvement (which is very good) but those are not exclusive to the red pill. Miserable blue pilled SIMPs can find the motivation (like every other men) to make money and self improve. There are a lot more of these types, than rich red pilled dudes. I've also seen super-broke young men who don't seem to chase money or even self-improve but put themselves first among their peers and in their relationship with women - the core of the red pill. To the surprise of some men who think they are high value because they are super-educated and wealthy, they see so-called "low lives" run their own space with beautiful submissive women at their beck and call. It's the same thing that happens when some folks see motor park touts getting wealthy and being influential in society and think because they have PhDs, they deserve to be rewarded more. The reality of life doesn't work that way.

Go for what you want and get it. Even though factors beyond your control may sometimes get in your way, at least you know that you tried. However, in what ever state you find yourself, try to be in control of what is within your limits (taking responsibility), try to get some influence among your peers and strive to get better. A man in charge of his life, space and pushing his needs regardless of what society thinks is HIGH VALUE.

Martinez39s:
My bad. I thought you were seeking guidance on what to do next after the redpill. I thought you assumed upping your game with the redpill was automatically the next step, and I was merely pointing out that it isn't.

MGTOW is a lifestyle that shuns marriage, cohabitation with women, and romantic relationships with women (short and long term). Such lifestyle doesn't fault or forbid men from using escorts, prostitutes, and porn. A mgtow man can have sex with anyone he wants as long as the sex is consensual. Such a man can have sex with prostitutes, his neighbor's grown daughter(s) (or any girl next door), his course mates (or any Bleep buddy) etc. It is not limited to prostitutes, porn and escorts. Personally, I find paying for sex to a foolish thing, but any mgtow man is free to do such if they want... it's their money. It also doesn't condemn a man for being sexually aroused and having sex.

Men don't NEED sex. A man won't die if he doesn't have sex. In accordance with tenets of self-improvement, a man must reach a level where his sexual desires, which will always be there, cannot influence him against his will and always dictate for him. Such a level is possible as every man is ultimately responsible for his actions even when Hot. Can a man stay for many decades without having sex with a woman? Yes. If I can do it, what's anyone's excuse?

Stop this misinformation. Being sexually aroused doesn't mean you must find a release [with a woman]; and sexual starvation isn't the driving force of rapists. I have never had sex in my entire life, I never plan to, and I have never thought of raping any woman. Konji are like waves— they always come and go. Sexual desires will always be there, but it's up to you to determine whether you succumb to them or not. Even when Hot, you are still responsible for your actions. What kind of life would a man live if he succumbs and seeks release to every fine pùssy and konji that rises in his body? Too bad males are not taught the vital discipline of mastering themselves and maintain their ground during sexual arousal; instead, males are praised for their high body count.

Whether one likes it or not, konji will always come once in a while, but it will die down shortly (usually when you have made up your mind not to succumb and let the little man lead). The longer you have practiced being in control of your decisions even when on heat, the lesser the grip of your sexual desires on your decisions; I speak out of experience. A man need not be a slave to his inherent sexual impulses. If men can learn to master themselves during heat (a act that is very possible), and stop being smitten by any fine pùssy, part of his problems with women will be eliminated.

As far as I can tell, no one (at least not mgtow men) shame men for being Hot. Being Hot is something that will always happen once in while. Higher testosterone levels is not an excuse to let your sexual desires be your master. Sexual desires will always be there, but a man must be the master of his decisions and resolutions even when on heat. I ask again, what kind of life would a man lead if he succumbs to every fine pùssy and seeks release for every konji that rises in his body?

NB: I am not against men being involved in the game. However, let's not be misinformed and be slaves to something (our sexual desires) that we are supposed to be masters of. Cheers.