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Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by JeSoul(op): 5:37pm On Feb 07, 2013
^done. But...a very poorly thought-out argument imo.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 5:34pm On Feb 07, 2013
plaetton: Referering tot he bolded in red, did yahweh really say that? what world, this world? Save the world from what, if I may ask?

Save the world or wreck the world?

Jesus supposedly came and went, and........?

1. The jew rejected his messaihship, so obviously, yahweh miscalculated.
Not so?
2. There is no evidence that the world became a better place after Jesus.
Infact, one can make the argument that the world became a more chaotic and rancurous one right after jesus came and left.

Again, it would seem that yahweh and the scriptures are wrong.
Forgive me, but I think all your questions are of facetious intent - in which case any attempt at a response would amount to running a fool's errand. smiley cheers dude.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Embassy Pastor Apologises For Failing To Resurrect Dead Boy by JeSoul(f): 5:17pm On Feb 07, 2013
Christianity EtcRe: Searching The Scripture - DAKE Bible by JeSoul(f): 5:04pm On Feb 07, 2013
Finis Jennings Dake (1902–1987) was an American Pentecostal minister and evangelist known primarily for his writings on the subjects of Pentecostal (or Charismatic) Evangelical Christian spirituality and Premillennial Dispensationalism. His most well known work was the Dake Annotated Reference Bible.

Christian conversion and controversy
Dake became a Christian at age 17. Dake claimed that upon his conversion he received a 'special anointing' which allowed him to quote major portions of Scripture from memory. He preached his first sermon in 1925 and was ordained by the Assemblies of God denomination two years later. After working as a pastor and evangelist in Texas and Oklahoma, he moved to Zion, Illinois, in order to become the pastor of the Christian Assembly Church. In Zion, he also founded Shiloh Bible Institute, which ultimately merged with Central Bible Institute and which was located in the home formerly owned by controversial faith healer John Alexander Dowie.

During Dake’s ministry in Zion, he was the center of a controversy. In 1937, he was convicted of violating the Mann Act by willfully transporting 16-year-old Emma Barelli across the Wisconsin state line “for the purpose of debauchery and other immoral practices.” The May 27, 1936, issue of the Chicago Daily Tribune reported that Dake registered at hotels in Waukegan, Bloomington, and East St. Louis with the girl under the name "Christian Anderson and wife". In order to avoid a jury trial and the possibility of being sentenced to a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $10,000, Dake pled guilty. Subsequently, he served six months in the House of Corrections in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[1] Though he maintained his innocence of intent, his ordination with the Assemblies of God was revoked and he later joined the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee). While it is not known why he later ended his relationship with the Church of God, it is known that he eventually became independent of any denomination.

Writings
The Dake Annotated Reference Bible (1963) was the first widely published study bible produced by someone from within Pentecostalism. His annotated Authorized King James Version of the Bible took seven years to complete. The 35,000 notes in the Dake Bible are considered by Christian theologians to be personal, rather than Biblically-based, commentary. Along with Dake's annotated Bible, his other writings have been the source of controversy amongst theologians. While a small number of Christian theologians see his viewpoints on the gap theory and adoptionism to be possibilities, his interpretation of the Trinity is largely considered unorthodox and is rejected amongst Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians alike. Aside from the Dake Annotated Reference Bible, his other works include God's Plan for Man, Revelation Expounded, and Bible Truths Unmasked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finis_Jennings_Dake
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 7:13pm On Feb 06, 2013
[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]Thanks for your help. I'll also try to search for them myself.[/quote]You welcomes smiley.

Thanks for your exposition on the issue. But why did Jesus indirectly refer to the woman as a dog. He said "it is not good to take the children's bread and give it to the dogs" what did He mean by the statement?
Honestly, I don't have a good answer for that one. I must've read that a million times but never really saw it as a 'demeaning' statement - but rather as one that Jesus may have (in His usual sleek way) used to test or challenge the woman. I just did a quick google search and there are a few theories out there (here's one http://christianthinktank.com/qcrude.html). This one could be seen as trying to bend scripture to suit your own theologyhuh I don't know.

What I would say is overall, Jesus' words & actions all through the gospels are pretty much never discriminatory, condescending or demeaning, they are infact just the opposite. I would start from there and then try to reconcile that scripture. Perhaps this is another one of those verses that is lost/muddled in translation (context, culture, times etc). The woman herself didn't seem insulted, infact her answer may show that she understood Jesus' reply to be a challenge/test.

My 2 kobo.

Godbless!
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Commercial At The American Super Bowl! by JeSoul(f): 4:46pm On Feb 06, 2013
Hehe...evangelical pop-tart atheists at it again. Wasn't it the other day they released their atheist bible? lol... Say after me as many times as necessary: *atheism is NOT a religion* *atheism is NOT a religion* *atheism is NOT a religion* *atheism is NOT a religion* *atheism is NOT a religion* *atheism is NOT a religion*

*on another note, when did it air? I watched the SB start to finish and missed this...abi their moni no reach advertise between the 1st & 4th quarters? cheesy perhaps they need more tithes? grin
Christianity EtcRe: List Of People I Saw Going to Hell: Footballers & Fans, Musicians, Non-Tithers.. by JeSoul(f): 4:39pm On Feb 06, 2013
brother Highyo, I modified your title to be better descriptive. Cheers. (this your topic self ehn cheesy, no comment)
Foreign AffairsRe: Iran Launches Own Youtube-like Video- Sharing Web Site by JeSoul(f): 4:33pm On Feb 06, 2013
Hi Jlance, I modified the format of your post for easier readability - the content is still the same, just changed the layout. Cheers.
Christianity EtcRe: I Hate This Section... by JeSoul(f): 4:28pm On Feb 06, 2013
Acidosis: I used to be a regular poster on this section until the day I observed a very embarrasing thing...
Why would he (Seun) mix up the Christians, Pagans, atheists, Idol worshippers on a section excluding the muslims..? Is Islam not a RELIGION?
oh...mukina is a muslim anyway, and you? its obvious...you do not believe in God!

Gosh! I hate this section!

Why is it that atheists talk so much about religion? It strikes me that they are always going on and on about religion, sometimes more than the Christians.
If y'all truly believed that God does not exist, why do y'all spend so much effort, strenghts and time trying to defeat the idea of Him?
Why are y'all bitter about the beliefs of others who care less about your opinions on tithes, jets, pastors et cetera..? Why do y'all show bitterness towards Churches and Pastors..?

Seriously, why are you all obsessed with God? Every sentence is like 'God doesn't exist'. Who cares really? If you don't believe in God then that is your problematic problem and opinionated opinion but why bother going on about it so much?
What are your problemshuh

It's interesting isn't it? You atheists gravitate toward this section, which is about RELIGION, when y'all claim to have none! What a gross confusion! What a discombobulated disorientation!

And to the mods, have you guys placed sentimental embargo on bans? I mean, why can't you ban bigots? derailers? off-posters? atheists posting on Christian-related thread?

Finally, Christians, please stop arguing the word of God...especially with unbelievers... Stop typing argumentative epistles just because you wanna convince some persons with hearts of stone.. Preach the gospel, don't argue the gospel.

...always remember, all unbelievers are enemies of God & God is not a respecter of anyone!

#shalom!
Noted sir. I share your perplexion at the obsession of so-called non-believers with God & religion...the thing is truly a head-scratcher .... or is simply an indication (manifested by their constant presence here) of a restless conscience that is being pricked smiley - by what they know to be truth - but have deliberately chosen to reject it. We already know.

And please use the report button/post on mod thread - threads/links where posters are breaking the rules as mods may miss threads.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 4:18pm On Feb 06, 2013
@other posters on the thread, language please. NL is a 'family-friendly' site smiley. Thanks in advance.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 4:15pm On Feb 06, 2013
[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]^^^^ Gone through the link and the thread was fantastic (although Mazaje never replied your last post).
On the issue of Israel being the chosen ones, Romans 9 really helps us to understand what it really means to be part of God's chosen people but the thing is, it was later that it became so. It used to be about physical descendants of Isaac and not believers in God (remember that the Israelites just went off eliminating unbelievers without giving them the chance to come to know the true God). In another part of the bible, Jesus specifically told a woman that He only came for the lost sheep of Israel (physical descendants) and no one else.[/quote]Glad you found it useful dear. If not for time handcuffs me, I'd find several threads that discuss many of the questions you've asked here.

Back to the issue...was it ever really about the "physical descendants of Issac"? or perhaps it seems that way because the writers were primarily of Abrahimic lineage? Jesus (and the NT) expound on the OT and reveal to us God's true plans that were misunderstood by the 'traditional' Israelites who believed they were the one true "people of God". Think of it this way...as much as I believe the scriptures are of divine inspiration - it was also written by human hands - and yes subject bias too. There are many instances of non-Isrealites being shown as people of faith or acceptable to God in the OT - including the great Melchizedek, whom Jesus Himself was likened to! what greater an example could you get than that?

And when Jesus said "He came for the lost sheep of Israel"...His mission was first with the Jews. God had promised to save the world through the Jews, so Jesus had to begin with them. Much like I believe in the same way if I was on a mission, I would first go to the 'headquarters' and try to sort out the problem there first -and then allow the solution to trickle down out. It is the same Jesus who also said this in Luke 24:
45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Clearly what He meant in that verse was to simply start with the Jews - and then reach the whole world through His disciples (again, another case of not building on only one verse).

Cheers brother smiley.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by JeSoul(op): 3:50pm On Feb 06, 2013
@Logicboy, sorry dude, no can do sir.

Pastor Kun: Checked again,can't see the mail.
@Logicboy, sorry dude, no can do sir.

Question, are you "following" frosbel & vice versa? I've heard it speculated that you may not see PM's from posters unless you are 'following/a follower'. Try it and see if it helps...
Christianity EtcRe: Nigeria Football Federation Officials Thank T.B. Joshua For Super Eagles Win by JeSoul(f): 6:27pm On Feb 05, 2013
Lildav, how body now? I modified your title to be better descriptive (nice topic!) and untagged the post the spambot banned you for. Godbless.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 5:07pm On Feb 05, 2013
plaetton: Hhmmm!
Quite interesting coming from a christian.
Quite a number of folks on and off this forum would say that you are not a real christian, simply because you don't seem to be applying the so-called scriptural or spiritual reasoning to twist the bible to suit your whims.

We have been told numerous times that reading the bible is not an intellectual excercise, but a spiritual one.
Go figure that one!
smiley I would've probably given a very different answer from that a few years ago. There is room for disagreement/differing opinions in the body of Christ - the bible actually teaches this! (https://www.nairaland.com/1067959/either-unite-church-doctrine-against/1#12475365) Life, truth, understanding is a journey that will never end until death - and we are all learning. One of my favorite quotes is "One can only learn once he gives up the illusion that he already knows".

Personally, I don't believe faith in God should be a matter of compulsion or persuation - but rather conviction. It is better our brother Inspired let go of all his beliefs that he is unsure of, and slowly begin to 'rebuild' his faith (or not).


[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]^^^^ I'm not declaring atheism. I just find it hard to believe that the God referred to as a man of war in the bible is actually GOD. What is the point of having such a large universe if You are only going to focus on Israel? Why confuse the language of man because you don't want them to build a city and be united? And truth be told, I still don't understand why Christ had to be killed before we could be forgiven, and also if Christ took all our sins and died with it, doesn't that mean that He was a sinner at death? Why did Christ say that the generation that He was talking to 2,000 years ago would still be alive when He returned (are they not dead yet?). Questions just keep coming up.[/quote]All good questions. You won't believe what a great resource NL is (except this yeye search function doesn't work well, off to ask the admin about it)...All these issues you've mentioned have been discussed...on the issue in particular of Israel being God's chosen...see here...although Mazaje did not answer me after I showed him scriptures that contradicted his claims cheesy

https://www.nairaland.com/252783/gods-chosen-people#3655871
Foreign AffairsRe: Al-qaeda Fighters Arrested In Northern Mali by JeSoul(f): 4:01pm On Feb 05, 2013
Hi Mike, I modified the format of your post for easier readability. The content didn't change, just the layout. Cheers.
Foreign AffairsRe: US Plans Military Drills With 20 Nations In Mideast Waters: by JeSoul(f): 3:58pm On Feb 05, 2013
Hi Simongonner,
I modified the format of your post for easier readability. Cheers friend.
SportsRe: The NBA Begins by JeSoul(f): 3:42pm On Feb 05, 2013
[quote author=Mynd_44]Hello peeps.....

Up Spurs lol.

We rule the west jorh[/quote]^most boring team ever cheesy cheesy

joeydozzy: seriously, I miss those days of 40 and 50 pts.
See him forming LeBron undecided
he should stick to what He can do best, getting under 50% angry
Don't worry, a leopard cannot change its spots. Kobe passing the ball is like a fish testing out land - it will not last cheesy. When ish hits the fan, the real Kobe will be back - with a vengeance grin
Foreign AffairsRe: Malala Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize by JeSoul(f): 5:13pm On Feb 04, 2013
Maxymilliano: Gracias Muchas
de nada sir smiley. Thanks for submitting a nice topic.
Foreign AffairsRe: Malala Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize by JeSoul(f): 5:07pm On Feb 04, 2013
Fantastic nomination. She's really been through hell. I hope she's not targeted for the rest of her life...we all know how these extremists can be relentless.
Foreign AffairsRe: Comments? Questions? Complaints? Talk To The Mod Here... by JeSoul(op): 4:43pm On Feb 04, 2013
Maxymilliano: JeSoul can you push this thread to the front page?

https://www.nairaland.com/1182950/pakistani-girl-activist-nominated-2013

The 15 years old lady in question was almost killed for her beliefs in Girls education in a hostile terrain like Pakistan where such is considered an anomaly.

She has been nominated alongside others for 2013 Nobel Peace Prize coming up in October. We don't need to wait till she get the award before we celebrate her, the prelude to her nomination need to be aired and that's why I'm craving your indulgence.

I sincerely believes she will clinch the award due to the peculiarity of her case, it is not easy to have a near death experience with holes in your head and still remain the same, she just had a successful surgery where titanium plates was used to cover the holes left in her skull.

Her story is inspiring and she deserve all the good wish she can get from every part of the World... The title may be changed if need be.

Thanks in anticipation.
Done! and that is a fantastic story! give it a day or two to show on the HP.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Yahweh The True God? by JeSoul(f): 4:40pm On Feb 04, 2013
[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]Men, I never thought that I would go down this path but over the past few weeks I have been "drowning" in unbelief of who the bible says God is. I have become a skeptic. It seems like the God of the old testament was different from that of the new testament (but they are the same).

Firstly, God creates the heaven and the earth and everything in it, He also creates man in His image and puts him in a garden. He creates a woman to keep him from being lonely thus the first humans came into existence. He instructs them not to eat from a particular tree but the woman desiring to be wise fell for the devil's trick and ate the fruit. She makes her husband to do the same thing. They realise that they are naked (it seems like God doesn't know at this time). They heard the sound of "God's footstep" in the cool of the day. He asks "where are you??"(was He just asking for the sake of it or He didn't know where they were at the time?)
.......... To be continued...........[/quote]Firstly, let me assure you asking questions about what you believe is a fantastic thing. You are in a good position, now you will really figure out what your faith is made of and whether it is worth holding on to - to you.

The bible is a complicated book. All through history many have used it to their own ends - murderers have used it to justify their crimes, racists have used it to justify their hate, theives have used it to justify their greed, oppressors have used it to justify their tyranny and so on...the bible can say almost whatever you want it to say.

The OT in particular is tough. And I will not pretend to say I understand it completely myself - but what I do know without a shadow of doubt is that compared to the greatness & vastness of God, what I know is next to nothing. So when I struggle, I remind myself my knowledge is only but a grain of sand in a vast ocean. So keep an open mind. Don't draw definitive conclusions from only one angle. The OT was written by people completely different from us, in completely different times, under completely different circumstances and very important - in a completely different context & language. Much of the meanings - literal or figurative - I fear are lost or muddled in translation.

For example the issue of "God hardening Pharoah's heart"... which is it? because several (I think at least 2 other verses in Exodus) explicitly say that Pharaoh hardened his own heart! this is the danger of building a philosophy on only one or two verses. it is widely accepted among reputable scholars that practically everything was viewed as an act of God and therefore attributed to Him. Also there is another school of thought that says Pharaoh hardened his heart and God facilitated it - this takes into account both sides.

So in a nutshell - keep asking questions. But be careful of the conclusions you draw from short, limited or hollow study. If after you conclude your research and decide that God & the bible are not for you, then good too. Just be convinced about it - for you cannot be lukewarm. Godbless brother smiley.
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by JeSoul(op): 4:09pm On Feb 04, 2013
Muskeerow, tanka and tanka wink.



jackname: This is not funny, i cant comment, not me again, what can be done Mods?..... angry
Sawwry sis. It seems the spambot loves you undecided


prairie: pls mods y is 'christians chatbox' d only christian thread on fp, its sunday, thnx
Sister Prairie...haba! so because it is sunday the homepage should be flooded with Christian topics? what about those who celebrate Sabbath on saturday? they too will soon complain they're not getting enough exposure cheesy...

please post more links here on good quality christian topics and I will submit them to the supermods for HP consideration. Thank you! smiley
SportsRe: A Thread For NFL Fanatics - Daily News/Results....Rep For Your Team by JeSoul(f): 5:16am On Feb 04, 2013
Roland17: The Ravens deserve this, i predicted this game and i am glad they won, i would never forgive kaepernick

Joe deserves that new bumper contract, he's a new Flacco..
flacco played solid. Certainly deserves his credit. But he is not worth top QB money imho. We'll see what the ravens decide to do...

@jesoul

did u see the celtics today, THE TRUTH was awesome
my brother I see am oh. Truly impressed with how well the C's have stepped up, mostly the bench. I'm excited mostly for Green & Barbosa & Terry. Fellas can ball! On the other hand what's up with the Clippers? They're a hot mess without Paul.
SportsRe: A Thread For NFL Fanatics - Daily News/Results....Rep For Your Team by JeSoul(f): 4:59am On Feb 04, 2013
Wow. Fantastic effort by Sanfran to make the game decent. But Ray Lewis has his storybook ending smiley. Congrats Ray and Baltimore ravens. We shall meet again next year and take y'all out! Kaepernick, you have a bright future but you're not ready for the big stage yet. Those early miscues plus James fumble ultimately cost them the game.
SportsRe: A Thread For NFL Fanatics - Daily News/Results....Rep For Your Team by JeSoul(f): 3:42am On Feb 04, 2013
For reals. Good to see sanfran making this a game. Somebody was bribed to switch the power off lol
SportsRe: A Thread For NFL Fanatics - Daily News/Results....Rep For Your Team by JeSoul(f): 3:07am On Feb 04, 2013
^lol seriously. This is embarrassing for NO and the nfl. Somebody didn't pay their electric bill. Mayor Nagin probably chopped the money hehe.

I'm hoping the 49ners go on rampage, this has been a very disappointing showing so far.
SportsRe: A Thread For NFL Fanatics - Daily News/Results....Rep For Your Team by JeSoul(f): 2:47am On Feb 04, 2013
I trust ya'll -forry & Roland, watching the SB.

49ners did not eat their veggies this morning, I'm surprised how easy Baltimore is handling them. Kaepernick looks like a rookie caught in the headlights...stage is too big for him.

Meanwhile, NEPA has struck at the Superdome cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Who Do You Think Was The Most Powerful Man Of God In Those Biblical Era? by JeSoul(f): 11:14pm On Feb 03, 2013
Foreign AffairsRe: Hillary Clinton Resigns As US Secretary Of State by JeSoul(f): 11:02pm On Feb 03, 2013

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