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Doesn't make sense. Mastubation is mastubation. Imagination is imagination . The two are different ball games. Don't combine them . That's why in the court a man may commit an offence but have several charges against him on one offence. He may be free of some of the charges and be sentenced for some. They are careful enough to separate the offences involved .

Just as the disciples of Christ didn't fall down .when other people did

John 18:6
When Jesus told them, "I am he," the crowd backed away and fell to the ground,

Why didn't the des piles standing there fall also by the same power?

Where does the bible call it a sin?

diluminati:
But you said it is not a sin now.

That still doesnt justify it. There are many bad habits that are not sins against God in themselves . Such as drinking ,smoking etc. but they are still not good habits.

Coz you said its good if you do it less often i.e not all the time and its bad if you overdo it, so what are you saying there bongos?

I never said so. I only asked those who label it as sin if someone goes to hospital to do sperrm test and he has to mastubate to get the sperrm out ,is it a sin? And everybody has been dodging the question .

Lets be honest, Ego will not allow you to admit the help you need in this open forum. We can discuss in private . My email I below.

So you are also a lesbian! Good gracious. Your problem is much.

You just want to justify your habit abi?

diluminati:
i mas.tur.bate sometimes, i even have some intimacy gadgets. . .

I don't . But I help people stop it. I can help you.

Mastubation is a bad habit along just like drinking , smoking and peeing on the wall. But they don't co storytelling a sin against God. Nobody has been able to prove that biblically . Nobody should call a sin what God has not called sin against him. Thats wrong.That doesn't mean one encourages , drinking and mastubation or the rest.

Gadgets!!

I don't discuss with mockers pls.

2 Timothy 2:23
. . .But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

frosbel:
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"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." - Matthew 5:28

This scripture have been well used on this topic. It's being misapplied . Jesus was dealing with coveting another mans wife.

. . . committed adultery with her

you commit adultery only with a woman who already belongs to a man. Jesus was dealing with covetousness.

Let's stop using this verse for mastubation . I'm not in support of mastubation. I've helped many overcome it. But God didn't rate it as a sin against him.

My question is still open.

Mastubation for sperrm test ,is it a sin against God? Im yet to have a yes or no answer.

frosbel:
Ma.sturbation comes as a result of lust in the heart for the body of a man or woman that is not your husband or wife respectively.

It doesn't have to be. Lust is lust . Lust has to do with another person in mind. Mastubation does not have to do with another person in mind. Those who do are exhibiting lust ,those who don't are not exhibiting lust. If we are deling lust ,let's deal with lust. A man legally making love with his wife can imagine another woman that he lusts after. Physically it seems he is doing alright but inwardly he is playing with lust. Mastubation doesn't have to do with lust for another person. It's with himself. If he has imagination for not her person,it's a different ball game. Then the problem is not the mastubation But the unclean thought.

Ma.sturbation is also a direct product of a lack of discipline in bible study and prayer.

I agree It's bad habit, and Spiritual exercise,such as study , prayer and fasting can take care of it. But I will not call a sin against God what God hadn't called a sin.

goshen360:
I do not intend to go in details here as I have explained in details in other thread. Masturba.tion is fulfilling the lust and passion of the flesh and the works of the flesh are very clear in the book of Galatians 5:19

It's not every fleshly thing that is a sin. I agree that yielded ness to flesh may rob one of some spiritual advantage as a principle. But don't call a sin what God hasn't called a sin.

New International Version
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: intimate immorality, impurity and debauchery;

New Living Translation
When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: intimate immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures,

English Standard Version
Now the works of the flesh are evident: intimate immorality, impurity, sensuality,

New American Standard Bible
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

King James Bible
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Galatians 5: 21 went further to say:

New International Version
and envy; drunkenness, org.ies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

New Living Translation
envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

English Standard Version
envy, drunkenness, org.ies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

New American Standard Bible
envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

King James Bible
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

PLEASE, KINDLY LOOK UP FOR YOURSELF IN THE DICTIONARY OR ONLINE DICTIONARY TO SEE THE MEANING OF SinParty OR SinParties AND SEE IF YOU STILL REALLY WANT TO DEBATE THE WORD OF GOD OR JUST ASK FOR GRACE TO OBEY. MY BROTHER, WHEN WE COME TO CHRIST, OUR FLESH/BODY IS NOT BORN AGAIN AND NOT REGENERATED. THAT IS WHY THE FLESH IS ALWAYS AT CONSTANT WAR WITH OUR SPIRIT MAN. WE ARE ADMONISHED TO CONSTANTLY PUT OUR BODY UNDER SUBJECTION IN ORDER TO KEEP US AWAY FROM SIN. SO MY BROTHER, YOU STILL NEED TO PUT YOUR BODY UNDER SUBJECTION TO YOUR REGENERATED MAN (YOUR SPIRIT) SO AS TO FULFILL THE WORD OF GOD

You seem to be playing in words here without even knowing their meaning. Courosal,Orgiies etc. lasciviousness simply means wild parties not mastubation. Let's not roll it in.

Demain_man:
@Jo, Is this the Christ Embassy church position or is it you and your Chris personal opinion? If this is what your church teach you, well I am sorry for your soul.

Pls feel for your soul .

So whats the point? If he gets ssasinated,won't there be another pope? The church of Rome won't be pope less .

goshen360:
I guess you have misinterpretation of the truth.

No ,I think rather you don't know about the power of God. Have you ever healed the sick or cast out devil?

goshen360:
Where did God ever made people fall except by themselves in reference to worship as against someone pushing somebody?

The fact that somebody push doesn't mean. There's no genuine fall by the power of God. Why will you now use one mans mistake (if its true) to rubbish all of Gods manifestation

It's not or the church.

You don't have to fall down. It's a manifestation of Gods power , if God no fall you, don't Fall yourself .

@op
Why not go he the authorities in church first and compline

Pastor Chris didnt say it's ok. He told the guy to stop it. He only said its not a sin agaInst God.

READ THIS

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-876654.0.html

eddy1977:
the only passage of the Bible that has been used by "self righteous" believers to condamn masstturbation is Genesis 39;one of the sons of Judah wasting
his  spe rms on the ground during inntercourse with Tamar. God killed him as a result of this wicked action. this scripture can never be used in reference to mmassturbatiion.

God didn't kill Onan because his sperrm spilled on the ground.  He killed him because he would not raise children  for his dead brother according to so its not about the sacredness of sperrm touching ground . Some married men does thesame today by spilling it on the ground as a form of birth control.

As much As I don't see it as a decent thing to do , if God didn't call it a sin neither should we make Simone who did it feel e has committed a sin agsinst God.

All the people I know that goes for sperrm count test in the hospital tells me the hospital asked them to do mastubation in order to collect their sperrm for the test. I have asked the question I'm yet to get an answer.

If we say it's a sin against God,what of the medical test which requires mastubation? Those who do it ,have they sinned too?

coogar:
can you tell me what is remotely close to w@nking that was mentioned in the bible?
it's actually a bigger sin to twist the bible to suit selfish wet dreams than to w@nk.

waking up with a hardon every morning is a false statement.
you better go check yourself for impotency if you are not as hard as rock every morning. it means something is chemically wrong with your phallus,

Coogar I just asked a question and I'm waiting for their response. What of those who do sperrm test in hospital . They have to mastubate to bring the semmen out. Is it a sin or a medical or biological thing.

tlops:
usually one supplied with "relevant" materials for the test. except its just smear test.

Pls explain

Well for those who say self-service is a sin against God , what do you say about  Fluid test.(sperrm). After all you have ton self-service to bring the sperrm out

Is it a sin to do Fluid test?

coogar:
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throughout his lewd act, his mind was focused on his own wife which means his thoughts are pure. . . .has this man committed any sin?
i need answers.[

so you are saying beyonce has sinned because a man from obscurity had wet dreams about her? what the heck are you talking about?
it is the man who has sinned - it does not involve whoever formed his thoughts.
that is my point! a man who Were Intimate himself sinned against himself not his neighbour.

The mastubation thing is a biological matter, dealing with urge or pressure. But the imagination of the mind is a different thing , that can be termed as lust. A man does not need to have imagination to mastubate . What of virgins who mastubates , do they have any sexual experience to Imsgine? What of those who have wet dreams?