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Paul didn't marry ,will you follow that example? Can you be humble enough to admit you're wrong?

@Goshen

goshen360:
@ Joagbaje,

I cannot dig deep with you because you are holding on to a certain believe. There are things I cannot say here on this forum because it will mean a different topic altogether.

The word of ahold is open before all of us dear. It's not personal. If I'm wrong I'll accept but if you're wrong can you accept?

]The same Paul you quote simple said,

But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me. I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of this boast. 1 cor 9:15 (NIV)

Study. . . Study. . Study. . That was Paul personal choice and it only happened in Corinth.  He didn't do that in other churches. The reason he did that was because of carnal nairslanders who would call him thief . There are other things Paul did as personal sacrifice. HE WAS CELIBATE! He denied himself marriage. Are you married ? Why don't you pick on that to condemn marriages. . . See what I'm saying.

jedisco:
@op
Can you deny the fact that support can be in form of salary?

I doubt.

1 Timothy 5:17 (JB PHILIP)
Elders with a gift of leadership should be considered worthy of respect, and of adequate salary. . . , )

@Goshen

goshen360:
Bolded. You are right on spot. Support is exactly what the bible says. Why not stick to what the bible says. Support can be in many forms and will not interpret salary. I hope you get my point here. Truly Jesus received support not salary.

It doesn't make sense. Salary,allowance, support is only a play on words. It's only for administrative purpose. In every organization ,there has to be financial management . The salary ones out of th general support. Either big or small , it's for order, there has to be a structure by which the support that comes in is handled.  

2. Elder worthy of double honor. How does this translate into double salary? Honor means honor and you know what honor means.

It means salary. Either it's daily or monthly allowance. There's need for structure. And orderliness .

2. Elder worthy of double honor. How does this translate into double salary?

Yes, precisely !

Honor means honor and you know what honor means.

Honor is wages, honorarium , allowance

1 Timothy 5:17. JB PHILIPS
Elders with a gift of leadership should be considered worthy of respect, and of adequate salary

3. And the laborer is worthy of his reward. what is the reward for a preacher preaching the gospel?  money or lost souls or treasures in heaven?

Don't use human mind for the word of God. What does the bible say? The reward in context here is pay, welfare, don't try to spiritualise it. That's adding to scripture.

Try read it again in context or other translations , read the two verses.

1 Timothy 5:18
18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

The same Paul said this in case we need to rightly divide the word of truth. Listen to what Paul himself said about same REWARD.

1Cr 9:18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.

These are two diffetent things .I will only say . Study. . Study. . . Study. . . Your interpretation is very funny . Let's take scripture for what it says.

God doesn't punish us with evil

goshen360:
Now let me answer your question since you have nothing to contribute. how I expected a full time pastor to pay his bills is in the word of God, The just shall live by faith. God knows how to provide for whoever he calls into ministry and that can go beyond monthly salaries from church people. If you are not satisfy with my answers, let's open the word of God and I show you probably what you dont know.

I agree with you that the just live by faith. I know pastors who have salaries and use it as seed . Trusting God that their live is more than the salary.

But the fact that the just live by faith doesn't negate the idea of salary. Jesus recieved financial support as well as apostles . You are trying to give impression as though it is wrong to recieve money . If that's your idea ,you are wrong.

@ betabeta

"'When a man has an emission of Fluid, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has Fluid on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of Fluid, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening. (Lev 15:16-18)

Notice verse 18 deals with seminal emission during intimate intercourse, but verse 16 is speaking of a seminal emission that does not occur as a result of intercourse. If this is indeed a reference to self-service, the matter-of-fact way in which God deals with this matter certainly indicates that no feelings of shame should be attached to it. He simply said, "Go take a bath."

It seems to me that if God were really bothered by such a practice, then He missed a teachable moment here in this passage. Since He clearly condemns intimate intercourse between men in Leviticus 18:22 and says "that is detestable", I think that if He had really wanted us to avoid this particular practice, He would at least have said something like "That is disgusting" instead of "Go take a bath."

self-service has been around for a long time, and since God does not clearly condemn it, I would not be too bothered with it either. self-service is practice far more than adultery or fornication yet God is practically silent on the issue. This ought to tell you that God is not overly concern with it.

However, let me caution you against addiction to self-service. Just like most things, self-service can turn into an addiction. If you find yourself constantly—several times a day—self-servicing then you can be reasonably sure that you have a intimate addiction. Paul said, "'Everything is permissible for me'—but I will not be mastered by anything" (1 Cor 6:12). This includes self-service. Also, you should never use Indecency to self-service, and if you are married, keep your thoughts on your wife. It is the same sin to make love to your wife while thinking about another woman as it is to self-service while thinking about another woman. Concerning single people, I have no advice other than a prohibition to Indecency.

If a believer uses self-service to alleviate intimate temptation that's far better than actually being tempted to commit fornication or adultery. I would rather have a man self-service than go to a LovePeddler.

Another thought, if self-service is sinful, then you would expect there to be bad health consequences to it, such as found in adultery, homosexuality, and fornication (diseases for one thing). Instead, research has found that self-service serves to release intimate tension. If a man is prevented from having intimate release, then the seminal fluids can back up, causing increased intimate tension and physical discomfort. It also increases the risk of prostate inflammation. This might explain why priests who practice celibacy and who view self-service as sinful have a higher rate of prostate cancer.

Since there are proven medical benefits to self-service, it is difficult to make a biblical and reasonable case against it.

Your exhortation is food for thoughts. I love your balance

diluminati:
But the same Jesus said freely you receive, freely you give. why are you confusing yourself? so what he says doesnt mean much to you any longer? look at you talking about spiritual things. what a shame!

I thought I quoted the bible . Are you angry with me or with Jesus .

diluminati:
I strongly disagree with Jesoul. Why would you disobey the words of Jesus and follow Paul? Cant you see there are two different doctrines? Please use common sense

The kingdom of heaven is near.' Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Matthew 10:7-8 (NIV)

Are you aware Jesus recieved financial support?

Luke 8:3
3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod's administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

I told you to leave spiritual discussion for spiritual people.

IT'S A MALICIOUS LIE

Oyakhilome was asked by one of his pastors how one could overcome self-service and he replied that “the reason you are thinking of stopping it (self-service) is because you think it has become a habit for you… self-service is not more than a habit than any other habit.

“So once you make up your mind that you want to break a particular habit, you just do it, you make up your mind… in fact the best way to break a habit is to replace it with another habit.

Firstly ,it was not a pastor who asked the question. It's a live online programme  where someone asked about mastubation. If its a sin or so and how to stop. And pastor chris made it clear that though it's not a sin agsinst God ,it's a habit,and you can stop it by just stopping todo it.

Pastors in Nigeria have lambasted the founder, Christ Embassy, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome over his comment that self-service is not a sin against God but a mere habit that God is not angry about.
Since the controversial pastor made the comment recently, angry reactions have been pouring in from Christendom over

They simply have to prove from scriptures if God ever called it a sin. None have been able to do that yet. Some have called smoking a sin , taking of wine a sin etc. but these man made laws even though they are moral have no biblical backing. Pastor Chris does not support mastubation but he will still not call it a sin if God hadn't called it one. And anybody who feel its a biblical sin should simply prove it biblically. That's all.

Most pastor these days have their own professional jobs or business but there are still some who May not be able or allowed of God to work by the virtue of their responsibility. They have to devote full attention to the ministry . Such will require support  from the church. And it's according to scripture . Jesus himself Recieved financial support, likewise Paul and other apostles .

Luke 10:7
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.

1 Timothy 5:17-18
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

goshen360:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thess. 2:9 (KJV)

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 2 Thess. 2:9 (NIV)

Out of point.

The Pentecostal movement says when the Spirit comes upon you it will overcome you with power, slaying you, hence making you to fall under the anointing and power of the Holy Ghost.

Stop being manipulative. Is it a must to fall? After all it's not every body that falls. Why blame a pastor for what someone he minister to experienced. Ive seen unchurched people fall . Muslim fall in christian meeting. It's the presence of God. The holy spirits work in the church hasn't ended . He still does his things.

If peter hadnt used his shadow to heal and If  someone use shadow to heal the sick today. You would have said  it is Antichrist.  But now you may say it's ok if someone does it since Peter did it. But is Peter God? Did jesus use shadow? It's not an issue with Peter its the holyghost.  Peter didn't know about singing in tongues , but paul came with singing in the spirit etc. you can't deny the power of God in people lives by your limited knowledge or experience. It's the holyghost who does these things.

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

frosbel:
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https://www.raymondibrahim.com/ibrahim/pics/large/144.jpg

Obama bowing before the Saudi King, 2009.

Bowing is a costumary greeting in different cultures . It doesn't suggest anything about him being a Muslim .

goshen360:
The verses are very clear. The case of Saul, i explained in my article. He, Saul was over shadowed with the great light. A similar thing to the kind of mount of transfiguration. They were overshadowed by great light of glory but today's church blow breeze into microphone. When this kind of falling happens in the church, it is biblical because fall under the glory of God and without being arranged.

That settles my point.  

It happens by the leading of Spirit of God not an anointed person trying to show off some power.

You're still in line

The case of John in the book of Revelation is also falling in reference and worship as it is obvious he fell at Jesus' feet. John's falling was also personal by himself, no one touched him. This shows the falling was in reference to the glory of Jesus he saw. When we interpret the bible in context, we get the message.

Brother there's spiritual fall ,and it's by the spirit of God.

Awaiting Jo for explanations to this and above comments I made.

I believe you understand better now.

A life without Christ is a life of crisis either within or outside.

Psalms 14:1
1 THE [empty-headed] fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable deeds; there is none that does good or right.

I love the bible

goshen360:
@ diluminati,
Don't be arsh on Jo, let us proof it biblically.

The illuminaty you are palling with is not a believer either in the bible of the christian God. You already have unholy alliance

@ joagbaje,
Demon is the most that I see knock people down in the bible.

It's the holy spirit that does it not the demon

Others are believers who fall consciously by themselves in reference or worship to God and his power.

John 18:6
6 When Jesus said to them, I am He, they went backwards and fell to the ground.

Was it a demon that fell the soldiers? Or the power of God.

We must be careful how we validate certain things. The bible is very complete. We should at least find two instances where a believer is knocked down by the power of God in the bible.

The knocking down is not the main issue, it's not an achievement. It's only a manifestation. When the power of God comes on people they cam fall down. It happen in Jesus ministry.The holyghost can manifest in different ways. It doesn't have to be written . Where was it written that a shadow can heal? Where did paul read it that a handkerchief can heal? These manifestation are spiritual. Where is it written that demons can come out by vomit or by fart! . These are manifestations. When you minister in the name of Jesus anything can happen.

^^^^
Do you believe in praying for the sick , healing the sick or casting devils out , speaking in tongues. If you do, all these manifestations will be common occurrence. You are the one that need a holyghost filled church to attend. Not a religious and spiritually dead assembly. The gospel is in power.

1 Corinthians 2:4
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

diluminati:
Joeagbaje has not logically defined this Unknown Tongue. ok now for example, an unknown tongue can be a malay language right but to the speaker he doesnt know but it is a language right? so are you saying an unknown tongue is not a language but the kind of incoherent words you say?

Leave spiritual matters for spiritual people.

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the man who isn't a Christian can't understand and can't accept these thoughts from God, which the Holy Spirit teaches us. They sound foolish to him because only those who have the Holy Spirit within them can understand what the Holy Spirit means. Others just can't take it in.

God2man:
@goshen, Some people may even fall and will not be able to do anything, they will just be on the ground like that for some time after that they will wake up again. During the time they are on the ground, deliverance is going on in the spiritual realm. What i am telling is not a story, i am telling what i see with my eyes wide open. It is the annointing of God that break the yoke.
The power of God can be faked.
God bless you. God2man.

Pls tell them. Those who haven known the power of God feels manifestations are faked. The power of God does knock people down. Either to expell evil or to impart good.

Those no doubt the power should rather ask those who fell hy they fell. That's simpe common. Sense . I have layed hands on people and they fell. I have even asked some why they fell and they have several reasons . "a force pulled me down " or " I don't know how I got the floor" "my legs became numb" "my legs became weak" " etc.

FXKing2012:
You force people when u call them out, ask them to stand up or ask them to raise their hands if they are not partners. You dont have to put a gun to somebody's head to force the person to do what u want, u can embarrass (or attempt to embarrass) somebody to do your will.
In order to avoid embarrassment people can do anything.

I agree with you .its not right. You don't embarrass people . You simply Teach the bible,Inspire and encourage people if theres a project for the church to do. It's left between them and God. It's God that can make people give,if God has not stirred a man to give, no body should.

@mr bible

MrBible:
Are you saying that 'praying in tongues' is allowed in the church? There is no mention in the Bible of praying in tongues, so why make up this 'praying in tongues'.

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Tongue was used for several things ,there is singing in tongues, prophesying in tongues , preaching in tongues ,etc

mabell:
@joagbaje, what's the gift by the way?

I will sing a special number What's your answer by the way

ayodele123:
Most of the time,it happens through the demonic pastors who use it to proof that they are anointed 'men of God''
That a person ''falls under the anointing'' is no proof of the presence of the Holy Spirit
Its the Spirit of the Last days at work.
Do not be deceived. The Bible says that in the last days,false Christs shall arise and shall perform great and lying wonders to the effect that even the elect shall be deceived

So the demon has power to knock Christians down . With all the holyghost in them? Very funny . What you don't know you should keep quiet about it. Or rather ask question . Don't  act as though you know in the area you lack Information

hightechbiotech:
from my experience i fell down when pastor chris blew his breeze on me during atmosphere for miracle. Till now as am writing this i still cant believe why me and everybody he touch fell that day, because i actually joined the line in curiousity to meet him one on one and see if i will fall too as am sure am not posses, but to my great amuzement immediately he blew his breeze i couldnt stand amymore, i was like did i just fall?

Pls tell those who doubt Gods power.

Micuilles:
@joe, go ahead with your question sir.

How many books has pastor Anita written? I have a gift for the first correct answer.

FXKing2012:
I was invited to a church today and when I got there the pastor laid so much emphasis on partnership,

That's not a problem

he even went as far as forcing people to partner and he made some of them pay right there.

I don't like it when we over exaggerate . How can someone force anybody to partner. Pls explain. Every giving is a choice. And it's by individual faith.

Now that got me wondering, is partnership even in the Bible because so many pastors and churches are now making it a very big issue.

Philippians 4:15
. . . only you Philippians became my partners in giving and receiving. LNT

And why must partnership only be in the form of money? Can't people partner through some other means?.

Why would you not want to give for the gospel .If you believe in the gospel you ought to give for it. But you can also give other things . Prayer ,intercession and personal work of service. But why would a christian not want to his money

FXKing2012:
Lost is calling someone else confused (lol)

what an accurate description.

Can I ask a question? House?

I love this part,

1 Thessalonians 5:13
. . . .  And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake,

You know those in the flesh will call it idolising 

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You missed out the living bible translation

1 Corinthians 14:15
15 Well, then, what shall I do? I will do both. I will pray in unknown tongues and also in ordinary language that everyone understands. I will sing in unknown tongues and also in ordinary language so that I can understand the praise I am giving;

thanks for the cortesy anyway.

You're welcome

Anti-PastChris:
this page is live he copied mine crossman9 thank for the help

Crossman is still thesame psycho called anti pastor chris na. he doesn't even know how to disguise himself