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coogar:
oga sir, you don't even need to say a word.
people would say all sorts to discredit their neighbours without any shred of evidence or fact. . .and they expect people of their ilk to believe what they say.

Thanks Coogar . Ive come to know that those who get into personal attacks ar only exhibiting their emptiness within. Be ause if a man has substance on the Inside, he will communicate it with joy and clarity. But when they have no back up for their stands.

What about mosques and their horn speakers blasting the air

diluminati:
hey what do you know.
Abeg leave Matter for Matthias.

Joeagbaje is fake as they come. I caught him using the werepeleri handle and he knows though, so i know what i am saying. The man is a fake prophet (according to your bible though)

Exodus 20:16
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

All these Just because I said the gadget you use to be DOING  IT YOURSELF is a Bad habit.     . Sorry Oo. Continue doing it o.

Natasha,,:
[size=20pt]lastly you said joe was right really? hahahahaha JOE SAID self-service IS UNCLEAN please READ THIS PORTION OF THE BIBLE
Galatians 5:19-21 , "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, adultery, fornication, UNCLEANESS, lasciviousness ,  of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
 IF MASTURB@TION IS UNCLEAN AND THE BIBLE SAYS THEY WHO DO SUCH THINGS WHICH ''UNCLEANESS'' IS A PART WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.  PLEASE KINDLY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW MASTURB@ION IS NOT A SIN SINCE IT IS UNCLEAN  if you can't then ask Joe to please explain to me, he said it with his mouth you can go back to the other pages for clearance     [/size]

Don't misquote me pls. When I say unclean. I'm talking about ethics not spiritually. So don't link the uncleaness I'm talking about to spiritual uncleaness of galatians  . There are several dirty habits . Or indecent behaviors. But they are not necessarily sins against God.  Ddrinking,gambling,over eating,lack of body hygiene , dirty mouth etc are all dirty or unclean habit. They have nothing to do with God.

Natasha,,:
lol you're right I shouldn't waste my time to reply rhymz there heart is made up and thanks to pastor chris they have all the whole reason in the world to masturb@te.  

Pastor chris had preached against bad habits on several occasion. He never encouraged them. He imply told the guy how to stop it.  He said if you want to stop a habit ,JUST STOP .

He only made it clear to the guy it's a habit but not a din against God because the person was having such problems of feeling God is agsinst him.

I had said earlier, I have helped many people out of such habit. Nobody encourage any bad habit . But we should not label something a sin which ahold has not label as a sin. In the old testament God labelled maturbation as unclean alongside with mensturation of women and other fluid discharge from the body.

@stepo707

stepo707:
Its written clearly there that the devil took jesus to the holy city.What i dont understand is how that is possible it is for the devil to take Christ up? I see something wrong there.

So the devil carried Jesus on his shoulder ? Far from it. of course something is really wrong there.

The temptation of Jesus took place in th wilderness . He didn't come out of wilderness until his fading and temptation was over. The temptation were in the realm of the soul and thoughts . Jesus didn't climb the temple to jump down . He imagined it.

Th devil also showed him the kingdom of the world . How did he do that ? . They flew in a jet plane round the globe in 80 minutes?. No.

It was in the realm of the mind. Satan has access to suggest thoughts and imagination to our minds. We counter it with Gods word.

Satan caught them young. They left church choir for musical fame. Signed contracts nd signed their lives away. Drugs was their solace and escape for the frustrations. And finally When they rebelled against their captors ,he destroys them.

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They didn't go to the temple.Jesus was tempted in his heart just as we are.


James 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Hebrews 4:15
. . . but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

A man with the Adamic life is a sinner,

dare2think:
ha ha  ha ha ha ha

LOL, Joagbaje, I swear you must  have been a comedian in a past life. I mean seriously!!!!

So, who has the right? You? Oyedepo?

@Poster,

It is within [b]your right [/b]to direct the affairs of your family in whichever way you deem fit.

Dont let some fraudulent institution come between you and your wife

Speaking in tongues and prophecy are not family affairs. It's a spiritual affair . when you get to know the holyghost ,your story will change

goshen360:
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This is the true story and please stop spreading false information. Thank you.

This thing looks like a piece of art work. It's not alive as they claimed. I heard it was speaking. But the video shows its lifeless

FROM HORSES MOUTH

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It's a lie. I recieve same picture on my bb. And they claim a girl who slept with a man in a hotel turned to this snake monkey creature

Life is based on choices and callings. If God calls me to serve among the peasants, so be it. I will forsake the city life and fulfill my calling. If God clls me to minister to the big boys flying first class so be it. Everybody should focus on their assignment and stop judging another.

The apostles live the life they lived some denied themselves marriage and other pleasure. It's between them and their master.

You cant sop her. You have no right to stop her. If you use you office to force her, it's an abuse of office as husband. You should rather desire the move if the spirit too. Aftersll every christian ought to speak in Tongues ,

@image 123

Image123:
@Jo
Oops, running. I recall asking "Jo, what makes it a bad habit?" and you saidI thought your explanation already qualifies the act as a sin? What is 'indecency',

There  are several habit that are not good but might not necessarily be a sin against GOd. For instance; gambling, overeating, smoking, and several other habits that people cultivate, like people drinking their urine and all, despite the fact that they are not good, they are not sins against GOd and GOd would not send them to hell for it.

Is it okay for the flesh to rule over a person? Cos you've just said that mastu.rbation is Just the flesh ruling over a person. Is a christian supposed to indulge self or deny self daily.

The issue with the flesh is, when a person is yielded to the flesh, he suppress the dominion of the spirit  and by that, the person starts dieing to spiritual things But the more a person works in the spirit , the lesser the dominion of the flesh. So that is the danger of yielding to a fleshly rule. Thats why we fast, to exercise dominion over the flesh, and that is one of the best ways to break a bad  habit is by fasting with the Word of God.

werepeLeri:
JOAGBAJE

Why do you bother? God does not seek or need their opinion or anyone's else.

Why not leave everyone to their own mind?

Thank you jare, I wonder   why people can't just discuss or pass there point across in a civic way. I've been waiting for them to prove it biblically. Is it a sin against GOd or not. for me there are several habit that people have; it could be drinking habit, drug habit, eating habit, smoking habit etc, that does not necessarily make it a sin against GOd. But if anybody feel it is a sin against GOd, show from scriptures. And not from personal assumption.

Don't get personal with me, if you have something to teach or contribute, do it and leave it there.
The question is ' is it a sin against GOd, prove it and leave joagbaje out of the matter.

musKeeto:
Uncle JOe, if you say self-service and thinking are two different things, no verse from any HOly scripture in the world will be sufficient to convince you 'self-service' is a sin. I don't believe it's a sin like I explained earlier, but that's my view, I stated earlier my views aren't biblical. The differnce between both of us is you claim to have Biblical verses to support that. Goshen has explained why it's a sin from a Biblical point of view. I can't do better than that.

Goshen didn't explain anything . The bible didn't make reference to maturbation. The only reference to it is in the old testament law. God says if the sperm touches a cloth or a man . He should bath and remain unclean till evening.

All the scripture he quoted doesn't relate to it.

diluminati:
Just me and you now, lets decode this once and for all. Lets prove if it's a sin or not with our Q&A session. I ask, you answer. is it ok?

No,

If you have a point prove it or teach it.  Don't ask me any question. Insultive people don't have good questions.

2 Timothy 2:23
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Mosquito

Pls prove it that its a sin against God. That's all. If you can . I want to learn

diluminati:
Jocircumnavigate, that is your new moniker. always dodging the real issues. Your fellow christians are watching and waiting or you to explain why it is not a sin according to the spiritual principles you always touting all over this board.
Jocircumnavigate again. You have just failed sha! as a pastor, this is the best defense for your oga! fake pastor  

Pls no vex for me o. you and your gadgets. Ok for you no be bad habit . Hope that makes you feel good.

goshen360:
@ Jo,
Just gave you bible verses above and you can as well see my comments from the beginning of this thread . You can as well tell me to prove abort.ion is not right because the bible didn't specifically say so. You and your pastor are spreading false teachings and it is obvious.

You're just being manipulative to get support . You have no point to prove. That's why you're taking a jab at me personally.  When you go that direction , I will stop responding to you.

2 Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Ozegbe:
when you self-service you think of many things like past sex, Unclad indecency photos and video you have watch and even some perspn you might have seen and lust after. Remember jesus made it clear that you dont need to Be Intimate with a woman to commit fornication which is a sin, just lusting after her or thinking about it you committed that crime already. So WTF is self-service not a sin?

These are two different things. Sef service and immoral thinking are two different things. You dont have to think thoughts to have self service. It's and urge and a release. If you think thoughts ,you c
Only chose to.

The immoral thinking can happen between husband and wives.  Are you aware. So it's not connected to self service? They different.

diluminati:
i mas.tur.bate sometimes, i even have some intimacy gadgets. it is not a sin or unclean habit for me coz i am not bounded by doctrines.

But when you are bounded by some teachings and you are supposed to live by those teachings, then i will judge you by them. So it's kinda absurd for pastor joe and pastor crisis to say its an unclean habit and not a sin, because following from the bible they abide by, it clearly states its a sin. sin begets sin just as lustful thoughts beget mas.tur.bation, judging you from your bible. somehow you wonder where is the righteousnesses, piousness, and salvation they preach.

I think fake pastor joe agbaje just goofed on this one. a very dirty stain on ya  

So what is paining you is the fact that I say it's unclean habit. Well I will still tell you anyhow. IT'S UNCLEAN HABIT BABY

goshen360:
Abeg help me tell joagbaje o. I can't believe the kind of Christians Christ Embassy and their pastor is breeding. New Testament Pt 2. Lord Jesus.

Pls stop getting personal ,manipulative or tendency to insult.  If you have a point prove it biblically. Stop calling names . Focus on topic and not on persons . It's not personal . It's a forum. Discuss topically pls. Supposing you're right. Prove it. Don't insult .

Thanks

Image123:
Jo, what makes it a bad habit? Is it the spilling or the angle of the hand?

It's the indecency. And it's a sign of dominion of the flesh. When flesh rules a person.

goshen360:
@ Joagbaje,

Honestly, I can't believe you can defend your pastor in this matter and please stop beating around the bush. Am very sure if the bible had not said fornication and adultery is a sin, you and pastor Chris would have also said it is a bad habit. The bible is the standard. If the bible doesn't condemn it , it's not a sin. Do you use your feeling to create a law for people.

[quote[You can as well say abor.tion is not a sin against God, just because the bible didn't specifically mention it and call it bad habit.

Well it depends. When you have to abort a baby to save a mothers life what do you call it?. It depends on specific cases.

It's a bad habit just like doing drugs. Or drinking .But it's not a Sin against God.

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Ps read my post again

It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.  But that's the point he was making  there. Helping someone deal with the condemnation of the devil. There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you"  you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

For those who feel its a sin against God. I ask . What makes it sin? Is it the Fluid coming out ?  What of those who have to do it on medical ground. "S.emen test" does God cancel the "sin" against him on medical ground? We should consider these before our axe start falling. It's a discussion not war.

Onan didn't die because he spilled on the ground , he died because he was selfish and would not want to procreate for his late brother. What of husband and wives who spills the Fluid on the ground as a form of birth control?

Also what about those who have wet dreams . Is God angry at them? . I'm not in support of self-service. I have rebuked individuals for it the way I will rebuke them from other unclean habits. I have helped individuals stop it. But we still have to say the truth. God  never Called it a sin.

goshen360:
Because you are always found defending your pastor Chris on every issue as he is your pastor. You often see everything he does as right. Can you defend his statement here ?

It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.  But that's the point he was making  there. Helping someone deal with the condemnation of the devil. There are several unclean habits that may not necessary be a sin unto God. But that doesn't mean he encourages them. He has taught against unclean habits, drug ,drinking, but he will still say even though they are not sin against God in themselves "they are not for Kings like you"  you are royalty etc. We do right because we are royalty.

For those who feel its a sin against God. I ask . What makes it sin? Is it the semen coming out ? What of those who have to do it on medical ground. "S.emen test" does God cancel the "sin" against him on medical ground? We should consider these before our axe start falling. It's a discussion not war.

Onan didn't die because he spilled on the ground , he died because he was selfish and would not want to procreate for his late brother. What of husband and wives who spills the semen on the ground as a form of birth control?

Also what about those who have wet dreams . Is God angry at them? . I'm not in support of masturbation. I have rebuked individuals for it the way I will rebuke them from other unclean habits. I have helped individuals stop it. But we still have to say the truth. God never Called it a sin.

 
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