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Lets all follow our convictions on this topic. I rest my case

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The meaning is clear from the construction. Honour the lord with. . . . .
If it says Honour him with dance ,it simply means ,to give him dance, same with clap or praise. All the verses you quoted are still saying the same thing with me, none of them suggests the meaning you're giving it. Let's look at youngs.

Young's Literal Translation
Honour Jehovah from thy substance. .

To Honour means to give .

East:
In addition, i will recommend this book at this site
http://www.firesprings.com/passionprayerbook.pdf
Be encouraged brother.

That's great . It just reminds me of EM. BOUNDS. If you read EM.BOUND book on prayer you can't help but pray.

Here is a link to one of his books

http://www.jesus.org.uk/vault/library/bounds_power_through_prayer.pdf

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. . .  Joagbaje i am getting way to angry hope your ok

Sometimes I don't understand your English o, i used to think youre a nigerian , what country are you from? are you using google translate?

garyarnold:
Honor does not mean "with gifts." Honor means respect.

Proverbs 3:9 (KJV) “Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:”

The verse reads HONOUR the Lord with thy substance (wealth), not give to the Lord your wealth. The verse does not say honour the Lord with a tenth of your wealth, or give to the Lord a tenth of your wealth.

Honour and giving go together m you Honour with = giving, have you heard of honorarium?

Giving to parents were one of the givings commanded in the bible. But it goes beyond a command . It's a spiritual principles. Principles are for ever. The are divine truths.

Jesus had to rebuke the Pharisees for changing that law.

Mark 7:11-12
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

How does one honor the Lord with their wealth? I believe the best way I can honor the Lord with my wealth is to be a good steward of that wealth and use it to glorify the Lord the best I can.

You are just trying to win an argument by twisting the meaning . Try read it in other translations and see what Honour means.

Proverbs 3:9 LIVING BIBLE
9 Honor the Lord by giving him the first part of all your income, and he will fill your barns with wheat and barley and overflow your wine vats with the finest wines.

goshen360:
Ok, agreed. Now.Jesus is our new high priest right? I am sure we both agree the answer is yes. All through Jesus' walk on earth, HE NEVER DEMANDED TITHE AS THE NEW HIGH PRIEST even though he is the best person to do that or even typify it and Jesus would have taught tithing to His disciples either. Should Jesus want us or His early disciples to tithe, He would have taught it. Can you justify this please?

Jesus would not take tithe because he wasn't a high priest while on earth . There was a priesthood structure . At the death of Jesus the church became the pillar and ground of truth. And people had to relate with the apostles that way too.

Paul made it clear that the way people responded to the priest and Levites in the old testament ,the same way they should respond to the church.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


What were the things of the temple ? .  Simple , tithes and offerings .

Honour for parents Is different from obedience. It is to Honour them with gifts,  it shows value. It's a form of giving under the law.

The New Testament tells us to honor our father and mother, but it doesn't tell us to continue tithing.

the point is , that your claim saying tithing went with the law doesn't hold water. The point is , it's not everything that went with the law. Only the things Jesus fulfilled went with the law. But things which are spiritual principles in God transcend dispensations.

Having different races was not his plan to start with. It was a judgement on man. So interracial marriage is not a problem with God. He doesn't recognize races now. There are only two races before him which is spiritual . It's either you are born again or not.

I'm a black skinned saint

FXKing2012:
What I still dont get is how these tithers choose to continue with tithing and discontinue with animal sacrifices to God. They both predate the law and they were both acceptable unto God during those days; ?

God explicitly was clear on that fact. That the blood of bull were to be done away with. They were shadow of the blood of Jesus . Now that real blood had been shed, there's no need for shadow.

Tithing didn't typify anything. As long as theres is a high priest there will be tithing, Priesthood may change,order may change but the institution of tithing remain valid. Just as honoring your father and mother remain a valid principle in both testaments.

@ Mabel I just browse through some testimonies in Wikisozo and I was very touched by this from Ezinne John

HOW I GOT BORN AGAIN
Comment (0) EZINNE JOHN

It was a great day for me and was victorious after through reading someones testimony and hearing it about how she got born again through reading rhapsody everyday and saying the prayers and confessing the word. I got inspired by that testimony and immediately i took it up to myself that since someone through reading rhapsody is now born again me too i can and must be a born again. mia testimony is about a gril who cannot control herself in talking what does not belong to her i. e she is a"kleptomaniar "wherever she passes, you must look for something around that area.

I decide that it was time for me to give my life to christ and become born born again and on a sunday morning my pastor prayed for those who want to give thir life to christ and when he started the prayers iffelt that annointing in me and received christ as my lord and personal saviour. I became born again i have stopped believing in word things but Godly things that will change my life. am living testimony and since then,sucess has always vivisted and awaited me anytime anyday and anywhere. praise the lord, halleujah! .

mabell:
. . . not forgetting the copies for the blind.

Thank you , I like that rhapsody in Braille !. And recently the Audio rhapsody for those who cannot read. They can now hear exhortations in native tongues!

Grey Beard:
CE churches likewise place a ROR quota on each of their cells and "strongly" encourage the members of each sell to buy up all the copies in their quota for that month in order for the church to meet its own quota.
Obviously the selling point is the fact that "millions" are being touched by this "word" etc, etc, etc - however, each church is under a unique pressure to shift all the RORs allocated to it as its quota.

We have a website called Wikisozo . Where we share testimonies of our salvation . I shared my testimony there of how I it saved by FEAR OF ANTICHRIST ' and I read the testimony of others how they got saved. I read the testimony of many who Got saved by reading rhapsody . You don't need Someone to tell you of the impact of rhapsody in our world, except those few who refused to see it.

This is one of the testimonies below
http://wikisozo.com/story/read/809/how-rhapsody-got-me-born-again

crossman9:
The only reason you are saying this book is number 2 is because Pastor Chris told you so there is more newspapers sold in the world than this book now most people I try to warn about the evils of Christ embassy outside of the African churches don’t have a clue who pastor Chris is and more most have never heard of the church or the book now that is not very good for your marketing department get a grip please the man talking about the “mimshach” anointing  is very right I was about cover this part very soon keep up the good work the truth must prevail in the end?

You analysis is not correct. October edition last year alone we printed and circulated 15 million copies distributed free in nigeria alone. That's jus one month in print format in nigeria alone, just one month. Ive not mentioned the e downloadable format. Rhapsodies produced have crossed billions .

Is water baptism and communion not based on piritusl laws ? But we do it physically .whst about prayer and worship. Are they not done physically

garyarnold:
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Give me the scripture that YOU follow when you "tithe."

I' don't really want to  enter this tithe debate thing, because I see it as waste of time. It's seem it's more like who wins argument instead of seeking pure truth. And we keep going round repeating ourselves . Let everyone be convinced in his own mind. There are more important thing than tithing . Let's look at our perfection. World evangelism,intercession .

But to answer your question. I'm not tithing based on the law. Tithing is based on spiritual principles . Just like prayer,worship ,godliness. Etc. spiritual  principles or spiritual laws came before the law of Moses  by revelation through men of faith. And there's no place the bible ever condemned them or God . If God didn't put an end , why should we condemn those who express their faith in God in a way that is working or them.

Pastor Kun:
Pastor Joagbaje you have to remember you are on NL were people think and ask questions. You are not talking to your deluded and brainwashed ce congregation so take it easy on the lies.

Kunle oshobi, rhapsody,has highest circulation worldwide . It is also the most translated devotinal book in over 150 languages of the world. Both in print and elctronic. Apple has even included it in their iTunes stores .

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=rhapsody+reader+itunes&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fug%2Fapp%2Frhapsody-reader%2Fid463739646%3Fmt%3D8&ei=FbUyT7qYNI-r-Qbm_smkCA&usg=AFQjCNEaTGoY_VLkSVWQbwKfqRbFs3BZPQ

I will probably get sources for you.

Goods plan are always good. He has good destinies for his own. But the bad destinees, he didn't put your name there. Several things are involved , there has to be a human cooperation . Smeone has to betray jesus ,but God didn't put judas name there . If Satan had to hunt for and insider to use for Jesus ,judas still had a choice. But Satan used his lust against him. Judas had his pride and list for money.,

Satan looked for his weakness and used against him. Just as he looked for an animal with cunning character in Eden to posess. It was written that an insider had to be used against Christ but judas still had a choice . He had options. His sin was not as bad as Peter. A man of many mistakes. It was just a kiss. But Peter denied Christ. The difference. Peter had a heart to repent , judas could have repented as well . but judas was too proud to face it. He would rather die . He took his own life.

mabell:
AHA!
What is the issue with the kiddies rhapsody costing more,are you aware the kiddies rhapsody is not for one month alone!
you have nothing to talk about
you really have a twisted mind and mouth and thats why you go about writting gibberish and out of your nonsestical ideas.

Rhapsody is the most circulated book in the word after the bible, what do you expect Satan to do. Congratulate you?

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I will be in uk later this year ,we cam see , and i really want to know yhe truth of your complains .but if you happen to be in nigeria before then, i will glad to host you , hope you will be ready to discuss without Abuse and insults

BERNIMOORE:
@ joeagbaje,

Exodus 21:17

17 “And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.

IF TITHE STILL APPLY TO CHRISTIANS TODAY ACCORDING TO YOU(because tithe and laws on honor of parents are all contained and bound under the law Covenant),DID EXODUS 21:17(Quoted above)  IS IT APPLICABLE AND PRACTICED BY CHRISTIANS TODAY? YES OR NO.

PLS ADHERE STRICTLY TO YOUR QUOTE ABOVE(Posted on: Yesterday at 10:27:32 A)

NO EXPLANATION YET, JUST ONE OPTION LIKE YOU EARLIER CANVASED;

YES OR NO.(waiting pls)

You guys didn't respond to me. Yet you want my response, ok,for fairness I will answer. And my answer No

Dont go by feeling . Even if you feel your prayer is not sound or your worship, just stay at it, your flesh will soon give way.Your spirit man will gain dominion. In addition , If you have received the holyghost. Pray in tongues, study the word, your spirit will be activated. You can also listen to some messages .

There is difference between "An Antichrist" and "The antichrist" Non of you is the Antichrist . The antichrist refers to only one man of sin,who will claim to be God of israel and persecute Gods people.

LE YOURS.

GET SOMETHING DOING TO IMPACT LIVES,THIS IS IDLENESS, I LAUGH

It's really laughable idleness.

Beautiful! Same royal covers giving and loving God.

Focus on topic not on Joagbaje

You should answer it straight, is it done away with ? Yes or No.

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Let me ask you ,"honoring your father and mother" which originated in the law. Has grace abolished it?

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What of  "Honour thy father and mother" is it done away with ? Was it not under the law?

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Pls Tell these wonderful sons of God