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Let me give you the sequence. After the rapture,there will be 7 year tribulation, evil will be let loose. The church had been the one restraining evil by our pressence and intercession on earth. When we are taken out of the way, evil will manifest on the earth.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

NIV.

2 Thessalonians 2:7
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

That person restraining and holding evil back is the church. And when we are gone evil will be let lose at large scale.

The  Antichrist will dominate and claim to be the saviour of the jews (false christ) but after 3 and 1/2 years . He will claim to be the God of Israel and will enter holies of holies that's what Daniel predicted as abomination of desolation

Daniel 12:11
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

And that's what Jesus was referring to in Mattew 24.

Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

  That's The sign of the second face of the tribulation called the great tribulation. Because the eyes of the Jews will at that time be opened to see that the Antichrist is not their messiah. They will be looking for another messiah. An many false "CHRISTS" will appear. Saying "I am he" Jesus said they shouldn't follow.

Matthew 24:24-26
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


Many of them will be killed. Only a remnant of the Jews will be saved. That's why Jesus said we should pray for the tribulation to be cut short.

Matthew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are the 144,000 Jews sealed from the 12 tribes of Israel according to the book of revelation.

davidylan:
1. False.

“Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because[b] lawlessness will abound[/b], the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

It's still about the tribulation time which comes after the rapture

davidylan:
1. Do you live in America? Why are you more worried about this war than they are?

I'm an intercessor

Public sentiment here is that America may have to bomb Iran next yr anyway . . .

That's teenagers talk . Have you considered consequences? This is not Hollywood film.

2. Why are you particularly bothered about what this war may trigger around the world? Is your concern for others or solely for how it affects your bottomline/economy?

An intercessor prays about everything. God needs praying people on Ground to enforce his will.

3. Is it also your belief that the wars Christ prophesied in Matthew 24 are also "unhealthy for america" and may trigger something around the world? Should we pray Matthew 24 out of existence now?

He was talking about the 7 year tribulation which will start counting after we are gone. There will be little signs of it before the rapture anyway.

Matthew 24:21
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Odd. How can we "leave Paul alone" then plough right on to misquote PAUL's VERY OWN verse (under the guise of "bible commands"? Shouldnt Paul's own life be more of a pattern to us than the words he wrote?

You are the one wrestling with the bible

If Paul literarily meant it was our duty to pray our lives into perfect luxury then why didnt he exercise such authority for himself and his own church?

Why are you so manipulative? who is talking about personal luxury?. If you want to discuss truth let's discuss truth. But if you want to continue all these sentiments and manipulations ,I may not continue .

davidylan:
Why not? Isnt that what YOU folks are praying for? When you complain about a possible economic collapse with wars is it out of love for Iranians or more out of anxiety over your own pockets and abilities to live your lives of luxury.You want the opportunity to reverse prophecy for YOUR selfish sake but Paul has no right to do so??

Why are you getting personal with me? This war is unhealthy for America. And it's different from gulf war. It's a war that should be prevented . At least not now. Because it will trigger many things in the world

Why didnt Paul just pray that his people could be unshackled from the heavy hands of Rome?

Leave paul alone. The bible commands we should pray for peace and for governments  . And it's on that scripture I stand. I don't understand  the manipulations  2 of you are trying to make out of my post. Those who are intercessors understands my language. If you don't believe in it ,just leave it alone instead of getting personal at me.

davidylan:
I will ask you a question - while Christ was on earth for 33 yrs, was the Jewish enslavement under the rule of Rome the will of God? Why did Christ NEVER ONCE mention this injustice or pray it away?

Jesus brought the solution to end the enslavement. If they had embraced him , their peace would have come.

davidylan:
this verse is very easy to understand if you look at it with a clear conscience rather than a heart that is clouded with the riches of this earth.

So who's heart is clouded with riches. Why is your heart full of insult?

I will ask 1 question - Paul wrote that verse . . . why didnt he "intercede" on behalf of the jews to remove the yoke of Rome from their neck? Did he forget he could pray for a quiet and peaceable life for himself, peter, Stephen, James and John all the time he was sitting in a Roman jail?

Why would they be praying for a peaceable life for themselves. Is life about self?

The church is the one preventing evil in our world and jurisdiction. What is your undstsnding of this scripture.

1 Timothy 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Jesus prophecy was primary delving with the tribulation of the Jews.

That prophecy is for the tribulation time dude. Jesus was answering a Jewish tribulation question.

davidylan:
Matthew 24: 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: [size=13pt]for all these things must come to pass[/size], but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows,

So are you saying that this looming war with Iran is the fulfilment of that prophecy?

Our job is to quicken our pace in pointing others to Christ as the end draws nigh.

And what do you know about soulwinning . , You need to first know Christ for yourself. God need to win you first.

davidylan:
you people are not praying away wars to reach more men for Jesus but to feed your bellies and enjoy what the world has to offer to liars,

Those who are intercessors understands my language. One of our primary responsibility as saints is to pray for peace. Wars are demonic manifestation . The killings of soldiers, men women ,children is not Gods will. And  we have the responsibility to pray against it.

1 Timothy 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

If war breaks out, it's carnal and sensual people like you who will die of hunger. God always take care of his own don't you remember. I OWN THE WORLD.

mabell:
Fasting is a demonstration of faith
It is added to prayers
It is a time when one is separated to hear from God deep truths concerning a particular situation

You're right lady. Fasting is a proof of strong desire and hunger for deeper things of the spirit . There's some things you may not get until you add fasting.

Image123:
All this talk about deep truth and greater light is impure nonsense and man's doctrine or worse still, satanic.

You just simply say you don't understand it. That's more honourable

You have finally summoned courage to show up. Okay o. you have won ! Let's clap for herr! Pls kindly close the door behind you. E sé púpó

There's an age where foolishness can't be corrected. It's sad

Technology came from God, every advancement in technology is to further Gods work. Laptop is even becoming old fashion now. Many minister use iPad now

TrueSeeker:
The prayer is for Christian to lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness. That does dot prevent war.

Revelation 12:12 says this; "Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time.” The Devil is still acting behind the world scene, so there will be war and continue to be war until he will be abyss. (Revelation 20:1-3) . . ."

We can prevent wars. And we have prevented many wars. This particular war should not be fought at this time. It will have effect on nations. The world has enough trouble to deal with.

davidylan:
actually you're the one in the wrong . . . you cant pray away the prophecy of Christ in Matthew 24.

We can pray against evil for the sake of reaching more men for Jesus. If not God would not require us to pray for peace. We are the salt of the earth. We can preserve ,delay and prevent evil. If not for prayers of saints ,do you know how much evil would have taken place.

ogajim:
[/b] What Jesus Christ (Our High Priest) said in Matt.24:6 because of what Paul wrote later? As always you don't seem to understand Paul's context before using it as a rebuttal of aletheia's post,

Do you really know who Jesus is? I pray you get to know him

^^^

Proverbs 10:23
23 It is as sport to a fool to do mischief. .

So what's the meaning of the non tithers board.

The Pre-Adamite World and Origin of Satan, a.k.a. Lucifer



"And the earth was , " (Genesis 1:2)

At the very beginning of the Bible the reader is confronted with the first mystery of the Holy Scriptures; a mystery which, when fully understood, reveals why the ancient geologic fossil record is fairly accurate, and why the account of the six 24-hour days of creation in the Holy Scriptures is a regeneration of the heaven and the Earth and NOT in direct contradiction to the accepted geologic time scale.

What you will learn here precept-upon-precept (Isaiah 28:10-11) will help you understand many other difficult passages throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation. The Genesis account must be interpreted from God's perspective, not man's (Isaiah 55:8-9). Hold onto your faith; it is about to be tested (1 John 4:1)!

In Genesis 1:2, and in direct contrast to the glorious "heaven and earth" of Genesis 1:1 (which, according to Isaiah 45:18, was initially created by the Word of God to be inhabited), the Spirit now speaks of the same Earth as a planet now in ruin and total desolation:

"And the earth was without form [], and void []; and darkness [] was upon the face of the deep
 []. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
(Genesis 1:2 KJV)

"For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old [], and the earth standing [] out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed [] with water, perished [] : But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
 (2 Pet 3:5-7 KJV)

(Interactive: Click the Greek and Hebrew words above to see Strong's Concordance Reference.)

At verse Genesis 1:2 the Earth is a lifeless and uninhabited planet drifting in the cold and darkness of the chaotic remains of the old universe. The planet is submerged in water, and waters also rage around it and across a ruined universal abyssal. Carefully (and prayerfully) consider the import of the Hebrew and Greek word definitions given above. As you study the root word definitions and the English translation of the KJV Bible, a picture emerges of a former world that once existed but now is totally destroyed and dead. Taking the words of the Bible at face value and reading the verses objectively, several facts become clear:

First, the context and time placement of Genesis 1:2 is one verse BEFORE God says, "Let there be light, " (Genesis 1:3), where He begins the creative process of the famous six days found in Genesis 1:3 through 1:31.

Second, if "light" (Genesis 1:3) was the very first thing God ever created, then what is all this other stuff already in existence? Specifically, in Genesis 1:2 there is water, composed of hydrogen and oxygen, and there is the Earth, composed of myriads of elements and compounds AND in a solid form recognizable as a planet which has already been assigned a proper name. Water and Earth are both matter. According to the observations of physics (in particular the equation e=mc2), in order for matter to exist there must be space; space and matter must exist in time; matter, space, and time are directly governed by the speed of light, which is a constant. According to the face value of the exact words of Genesis 1:2 in the KJV Bible, the planet Earth, much water, and a universe in time already existed BEFORE God says, "Let there be light" in Genesis 1:3.

Third, and very important, there is something else already present at this time: DARKNESS! And not just physical darkness (an absence of light) but also spiritual darkness (the absence of holiness and harmony ).

When all these facts are taken into account, the following inescapable truths stand out:

The planet Earth and a universe were already in existence before the creative process of Genesis 1:3 through 1:31 even begins. Earth had already existed for an unspecified period of historical time.
The physics of time, space, and matter are already established, which by extension means that the processes which regulate radioactive decay (the half life principle) are also functioning and valid.
At some undetermined time in history past, Death and the powers of darkness first came into being, before Adam.
Before we proceed further, we need to firmly establish a governing principle for regulating our interpretation of the Holy Scriptures and the Earth's geology:

If the Bible is true and faithful about Jesus and redemption by His shed blood on the cross of Calvary; if the Bible is true and faithful about man's fall and need for redemption; if the Bible is true and faithful about heaven, hell and coming judgment; if the Bible is faithful and true about the history of Israel and the patriarchs, then the Bible is also true about Moses and the Lord parting the Red sea. It is true about the Lord making the sundial go backwards 10 degrees as a sign to Hezekiah (read 2 Kings 20:9-11); it is true about the Lord making the sun stand still in the sky for Joshua (read Joshua 10:12-14); and it is true that the Lord made the present heavens and Earth, our "world", in just six 24-hour days, and only about 6,000 years ago, just as the Scriptures say. We must take the Lord's words as truth.

For More: http://www.kjvbible.org/satan.html

ochukoccna:
I don't know if it's Atlantis but a pre Adamic world existed which got destroyed following satan's rebellion. Between Gen1:1-2 is a great time span&1:3 is really a recreation preceding man's creation
The bible is simply the story of mankind's fall&a loving God's redemption
Let's stick with&leave it @ that till when this age ends& God reveals the mysteries the bible is silent about
If God wanted us to know about Atlantis,bible 4 talk am

Thank you

The enemy of man is responsible for most evil. God gave man a choice on how to reign over them.

aletheia:
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. . .and if it affects "the entire world economically and [sic]otherwise". . .there will be less tithes and all that humbug for you. . .

You love the world too much. . .

War comes. So what?

You need to learn to listen to Jesus more. . .and pray in line with his will.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
[Mat 24:6]

You are wrong as usual dude . May god deliver you from your carnal minded ness .

1 Timothy 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

It's true ,the blood of Jesus paid or our sins past present and future. But such teaching have to be properly explained to avoid extremes which may lead into error. The death of Jesus made provision for every sin. That means there's no sin which can't be forgiven . There are different kinds of sin in this wise. There's a difference between making a mistake,falling into sin and wilful disobedience there is also a difference between all these and living in sin. There are consequences of sin. A misunderstanding of grace will destroy a man's life. Grace grants us ability to live right and to be cleansed from evil conscience. The provision in  grace is that when a man ask for forgiveness in repentance he is washed.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Some teachings of  certain truths may not be for everybody at every level. For example the message of grace being refered to may be needed for a man who fell into a sin and finds it hard to forgive himself or to embrace Gods forgiveness . Such teaching may be required to strengthen his faith to RECIEVE forgiveness ,helping him deal with guilt and condemnation .by letting him know that whatever sin he would ever commit have been paid for. This truth can help him to be strengthened and believe in Gods love.

But if you teach someone who already has a careless lifestyle looking for opportunity to do evil,such truth may backfire. Because he will read different meaning into it.

Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:13
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

War seem to be looming , we should pray against such, because it will affect the entire world economically and otherwise.

WASHINGTON: The United States appears headed on a collision course with Iran that could lead to a war with ‘disastrous” consequences, a former advisor to ex-president Jimmy Carter has warned. . . .

For more  : http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/14/us-at-risk-of-sliding-into-war-with-iran-brzezinski.html

This is the new thread. So what's your point? Have you seen the miracle in the video posted to know that God is still working his miracles like the bible days.

Yes of course ! But the devil is an illegal occupant. That's why the christian has right to eject tnem

chrisj2000:
Your bible said in book of rev. 22vs 18-19"Curse is anyone who add  or remove from the book of prophecy"
the bible said through the mouth of jesus himself " you lack because you didn't ask, he who believes can command a mountain to move, nothing is impossible to them that believes, etc"
If believers has all these power and yet witness human sufferings every day without changing them, then all believers are malevolent.
If all these powers given to them by jesus are fake, then they should wake up from their dreams and stop spreading lies.
Bible is evil but if any believer is sure it's the word of omnipotent god, let him prove me wrong through prayer. Just ask god to wipe out sickness and diseases for his children. That is even easier than commanding a mountain to move.
Remember your bible says that god never change, so if was able to do those miracles written in bible, he can equally do them today.

Miracles and the supernatural is part of Christianity. Miracles are still being worked today in the name of Jesus

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God still does miracles today. I will open a new thread for us to discuss it. So that we don't derail this one

CAN GOD CURSE SOMEBODY, WHAT CAN MAKE GOD CURSE A MAN?
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO MEDIDTATE?
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PARADISE THE THIEF WENT TO AND THE ON PAUL WENT TO?


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