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frosbel:
Joagbaje DO YOU READ THE BIBLE ??

Prove me wrong. Jesus began his ministry at the age of 30. After he received the holyghost. Do you have contrary information from your bible ?

The logic is If sand is the cheapest thing here. It's in that sense gold is seen as cheapest in heaven.

Revelation 21:21
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

Testimonies of miracles can beef up faith. If God can do it for one person ,he can do it for another under similar circumstance . Testimonies are important. How did people have faith To come to Jesus ? They heard the testimonies of others and they had faith to come .

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all of them are part of leadership. Firstly apostles and prophets others follow. In a local church also there are leadership responsibility among others. They are sometimes called rulers.

Romans 12:8
8. . .he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

davidylan:
So where in ephesians 4 is the gift of leadership structure?

I didnt mention any "Gift of Leadership Structure"

davidylan:
perhaps you should read Luke 2.

He was a bright boy asking intelligent questions and giving intelligent answers . But He started teaching at the age of 30

davidylan:
Look at the array of spiritual gifts in ephesians 4, which one should be accorded top dog status? Why didnt Ephesians clarify if indeed structure was more important?

Even when Christ was here on earth, we still had disciples jostling for the position of chief apostle (james and john angling to sit by His right and left in heaven because they considered themselves the top dogs!) . . . you know what Christ's response was to that.

That still doesn't take away leadership structure . God has never led a people by "COME ALL YE" style he always lead people by a leader. Pls read your bible on this. Leadership is common-sense . Leadership is order. Leasdership is spiritual and leadership is service. But its only carnal people see it as lordship.

davidylan:
Daft really. Jesus entered the temple to teach at 12 years old . . .

Jesus. Wasn't teaching at the age of twelve. He. Began teaching after he received the holy ghost at the age of 30.

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Tonye-t:
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Of course there is literal street of Gold in heaven. It is said that gold is the cheapest material in heaven.

You're getting it wrong . Jesus was prophet to a nation . You must be able to distinguish what is for the church and what is for Israel and what is general for every one.The church was not born then.

In the church now there is structure. There are offices and hierarchy .

Ephesians 4:11-12
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

1 Corinthians 12:28
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

davidylan:
which would automatically disqualify Jesus Christ in your book right? I mean He did say this of the pharisees - Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Jesus was a prophet and apostle. You have authority over your jusrisdiction. He was the Messiah that Israel had been waiting for.

Did Harold camping claim to be a prophet?. You can't call him false prophet he he never claimed to be a prophets.
It's like calling a nurse "bad doctor"

Tell us pls

What will they do? I don't believe any church stop anybody from drugs. It's a faith thing. Hew Inge and miracles will always be part of Christianity .

I'm aware most healing churches do send people back to tHe hospital where they were first diagnosed to be checked again after ministration or at least they were encouraged to go for test. If the Test proved there's healing ,they come back to testify showing both record. BEFORE AND AFTER.

toba:
. If pa adeboye gets old and goes home, which method would be adopted to choose a replacement?

Firstly ,pastor AdebOye is not the founder of Redeemed. He took over from the late founder so I don't think they will have succession problem.

The rapture comes before tribulation dear. The bible is clear on this.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-8
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Those who teach otherwise are mixing scriptures up in error. The rapture is not the same thing as second coming. Once you mix the two events up you've taken a detour!

God doesn't need tithe. We are the one that needs to conquer our greed by giving. There are two important things about our givings. They are honour to a God. Man cannot worship a God without giving and sacrifices. The second part of our giving is our ability to deal with greed.

As I said earlier when the prediction came out. The foundation which couldn't differentiate rapture,from armageddon was a clear message of error.

Ok I will check it out.

davidylan:
i dont understand joagbaje's point. Christ stirred up so much hate that He was crucified in place of a detestable robber. Was He wrong?

He was hated , but he didn't hate. He cursed not.

1 Peter 2:23
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

Azibalua:
Sorry let me help,am interested in this issue.
What's the name of your local assembly?

I can tell he doesn't go to any church. Can people like him be under a pastor? . Maybe I'm wrong. I will really be glad to be wrong.

frosbel:
1.In an earlier comment I admitted to sometimes using a harsh tone for which i take correction. It has always bothered me how I went on a rampage in the ISLAM section exposing ISLAM for what it is , but if you notice I have not been there for months, so much that I have forgotten what the sites looks like.  

2.  Catholicism is also a false doctrine, and we are told to expose darkness . Would you rather I tell the TRUTH or pretend that worshipping MARY and Dead saints is valid as a Christian doctrine. Of course not.

There Is a biblical way for truth to be communicated . And I have heard you talk about soul winning etc. Thats why I'm concerned. If it's other people like enigma and co ,I may not bother. Because they won't understand. If must communicate Jesus to the world there is a bible way that's all.

I am sorry harsh tone yes I agree, but exposing false doctrine will never stop as far as many of you keep spreading false messages here .

Fine, if you feel I preach false doctrine. Simply take me up on it. You still don't have to abuse me. Show me where I'm wrong by scriuptures  and be patient to hear my view. Let truth prevail.




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frosbel:
Considering that this article was started by a false prophet who believes that Christians and Muslims worship the same GOD, who called himself a god and spreads the prosperity poisonous gospel all over nairaland like a virus, my guess is he has an ulterior motive for opening this article.

I just don't trust the guy !!

Pride is your problem. It's not about me. It's about what the bible teaches. You can call me any name you want. Thats your opinion which you should know doesn't count. If you won't take the correction because it came from Joagbaje. You should take it because that's what the bible teaches. A humble man you take the scripture for what it says.

There's no ulterior motive . All the attacks on other religions and counter attacks on Christianity Does not glorify God. You are in error in this . I have mentioned it to you before  And you should take correction. Except you're telling me that you don't have their salvation in mind.  There is an attitude for a soul winner according to scriptures .

2 Timothy 2:24-26
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Enigma:
Ehn now, just like the Bible calls Oyakhilome too a bastard --- afterall him too be sheep without a shepherd.
Meanwhile, I called you a hypocrite on this thread not because of the past but because of your name calling on this thread itself - but it seems you were too daft to realise your hypocrisy until I have now explained.
Anyway, people like us will only stop calling out the falsehoods and heresies of your bastard boss when he repents. :

Which church do you attend?

Enigma:
^^^ Hypocrite ---- since you think it is alright to call other posters names.
Remember all the other times you similarly gave names to other posters ---- which it turns out also apply to Oyakhilome? Like bastard, for example?

You just want attention. So let me give you a verse to cool you down.

Proverbs 26:17
17 He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

Besides I never called you a bastard the bible did. That's what it calks sheep without shepherd . I only quoted what it says.

Hebrews 12:8
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

nlMediator:
I think it's all about wisdom and balance. Christian apologia is not limited to the church. In fact, by definition, it is a lot more about outside the confines of the church

My assumption is that apologetics is a defence of the christian doctrines. So do I need to defed christian docritrine to pagans?


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However, apologia does not consist of insulting the founders of religions, especially when done in a harsh tone. Such tactics rarely work and so defeats the commendable objective of trying to reach the adherents and steer them away from their wrong beliefs. Pointing out errors or disagreements with other faiths should be encouraged. But should be done in a civil tone and preferably with people who are ready to engage in reasoned dialogue.

Well the guy knows what I'm talking about.  He and The "charge and bail lawyer" just want to derail the thread. And use it to attack jo. I've mentioned it to him couple of times . I did this thread just incase he didn't see my other comments.  If its an issue of ignorance , let me point it to him . You don't win people over by attacking them.  My opening post is clear enough. He can't say he didnt know now.

Ezra compiled the old testament scriptures, and grouped them according to category .  The church fathers compiled the letters that make the new testaments.

Yes it's a baad thing. And you should repent of it.

frosbel:
Have you heard of the term Christian apologists , well check it out, that's what i am , mate 
Christian apologetics is a field of Christian theology that aims to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defend the faith against objections, and expose the perceived flaws of other world views.

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You're missing the point. Evangelism is not a defence of faith. Defence of faith is within the church. But what we owe other religion and faiths is the gospel. You cannot win people to christ by attacking them. You only stir up hate. The gospel is Gods love to man.

You guys have turned the religious section into incessant attacks on bible ,Koran ,islam,Christianity. A fight that no one can win. wasted effort.

frosbel:
Does this also mean we should not expose false prophets 

Jesus did, Paul did and so should we.


Jesus Christ the Son of God, called them "hypocrites", "blind guides, " "blind, " "whited sepulchres, " "serpents, " and "ye generation of vipers" (Matt. 23:23-34).

Yet, we are told today that we are to fellowship with men whose doctrines are just as unscriptural as those of the Pharisees. Some who say they are Bible believing Christians insist on working with Roman Catholics and other assorted heretics. Yet, according to many, we are not supposed to rebuke them for their compromise.

The church at Ephesus was commended because they had "tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars " (Rev. 2:2).

The church at Pergamos was rebuked because they tolerated those that held "the doctrine of Balaam, " and "the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate" (Rev. 2:14,15). It is never right to tolerate false teachers, but they are to be tried by the Word of God, and exposed. Of course those who want to disobey the Word of God will seek by every means to avoid this teaching.

"Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith " (Titus 1: 13)

"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which ye received of us " (II Thess. 3:6)

I'm talking about other faiths dude not other Christians.  Your attacks against christian is not an issue. Its only an exoression of your ignorance.

My concerns are the artacks agsinst other faiths. All the Muslims or the Catholics you're attacking .how many of them have you won? . By your attacks ,you stir up counter attacks. That's not gospel brother