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frosbel:
And if I do not thread carefully , what will happen ?
The MOG will curse me , right ?
Well I am not afraid , God is my protector.

You're Unclad already, God only protects withing the frame of His Word. time will tell. I hope you will realise yourself in time.

frosbel:
Absolutely , bewilderingly, astonishingly, unbelievably and scarily impossible to believe that you made the statement that JESUS died for our monetary prosperity. Wow. He died for our Spiritual prosperity.

I'm I the one who made the statement ? I quoted the Word of God. Why can't you take it for what it says.?

If you want physical prosperity , work hard ,pray , be honest and you will make it.

That us carnality. Theres no difference between you and the world. We Christians walk in the blessing and not by hard labour .

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Jesus died for our Sins.

Our Lord Jesus Christ is an atonement for our sins not atonement for MONEY.

Our lord died for everything. To open the eyes of the ,to set captives free and to prosper the poor. What is the meaning of gospel? It means GOOD NEWS. not BAD NEWS. Of sufferings.

Paul and Jesus preached endlessly against prosperity pimps.

Your wrong paul and Jesus taught the principles of prosperity. The poor man needs teaching.


Luke 7:22
22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Why is it only the poor you singled out . Jesus taught men how to prosper. "give and you shall receive " was one of the principle of prosperity which Jesus taught. He died for a total well being. These are simple elementary teachings.

frosbel:
Tell me which ones are you bringing into the kingdom.

Many, frosbel ,on regular basis . I go on the street. I seize every opportunity to preach the gospel. And that's why your errors here against the body of christ is touching. Others are building ,you guys scatter.

You preach the gospel of salvation and then destroy their souls with false doctrine. Shocking. !!!

What is the false gospel? That God prospers people? Is that not one of the things Jesus came for? To preach good news to the poor? What's good news to a poor man? Is it not his properity.?

Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

God created man to have dominion over life. When man fell God made a promise through Abraham which is of blessing and inheritance.

Genesis 12:2
2 . . and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

This promise is fulfilled in christ. We have inheritance. Why should a christian suffer .

Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Nigeria is saturated with the gospel, what we now need to do is to free the sheep from the false shepherds.

how can they be false for teaching people what belongs to them. What of the testimony in their lives which many share Sunday mornings. What about the people who are poor by demonic curse. Struggling. Until they meet a minister that cast the devil of poverty out ,and job and business opportunity begin to manufest.

I posted this in the other thread. I hope you will be humble enough to think on these truths.


You don't show the fruit of someone who understands the bible well. You are only following your own lust  In slandering ministers . Apostle John which you're quoting makes us know how to identify false prophets . It's through their doctrines . Not because they have wealth.

1 John 4:2-3
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Now the question is ,the men whom you slander, have they faulted according to the scripture above? No. So what forms your opinion.

A false minister will deny Jesus lordship .

2 Peter 2:1
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

So these ministers whom you're slandering before unbelievers on the Internet have they denied the lordship of Jesus. These are men who profess Jesus openly and have led many unto salvation.

1 John 4:15
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

The ministers whom you are slandering, have they confessed other wise?

Besides ,let's assume you're right. If they are not of God , did God give us mandate to start attacking people?. God says we should avoid them. You avoid them personally. Don't listen to them. Because in your attack , you destroy the faith of many people from the house of God. I know you don't have a pastor or a local church where you are committed . But you dont have to destroy the faith of others because God will hold you for their blood!

you can't take laws into your hand by fighting a fight God didn't send you. Jesus knows what to do with false prophets. The Word Is clear on that.

2 Peter 2:1
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It's clear here , he said they will bring upon themselves swift destruction ! Are you the holyghost who will purge his Church? 
 
The scrupture bellow  clarify Jesus stand on issues like this.

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.  The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

This is the bible standard. It's like husband and wife fighting in the presence of the children . No matter how right you think you are ,you are wrong. You are injuring christ. You rather give me impression of false brethren who move to and fro. They always despise those who are in spiritual authority. Satan hates ministers with a passion. If anyone is false ,judgement of God will come on them. How do we safeguard people from false prophet .it's simple teach the truth. That's all. Not name calling.

sandysprax:
Hmmmnnnn,!!! frosbel u are really putting in a lot of time to this. Is anything in it for u? . As far as i am concerned, the catholic church is and still remains the only christian institution .

While others are labouring to bring sinners into Gods kingdom . You're busy doing satanic work discouraging souls from the salvation .

Besides as I said in other posts . What forms a false prophet?

And what is wrong with prosperity. If the God I serve can't change my situation, he's not a God. Jesus died for our total prosperity. How can you be complaining that people are poor yet you have no solution, the only solution they have is a message of prosperity which reaches them how to prosper. Yet you criticise it. Jesus taught on prosperity,paul and other apostles taught on prosperity. Old testament teaches on prosperity. Where did you get your own from? It's simply from religious mind. If you don't believe in the blessing of God in people lives, stay in your poverty and let those who believe enjoy Gods blessing.

frosbel:
If you actually read your bible, and the Holy Spirit that lives inside of you teaches you all things you like the Apostle John said He would, (1 John 2:27) then chances are you have.

You don't show the fruit of someone who read his bible well. You are only following your own lust  In slandering. Apostle John which you're quoting makes us know how to identify false prophets . It's through their doctrines . Not because they have wealth.

1 John 4:2-3
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


Now the question is ,the men whom you slander, have they faulted according to the scripture above? No. So what forms your opinion.

A false minister will deny Jesus lordship .

2 Peter 2:1
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, [b]and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

So these ministers whom you're slandering before unbelievers on the Internet have they denied the lordship of Jesus. These are men who profess Jesus openly and have led many unto salvation.

1 John 4:15
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


The ministers whom you are slandering, have they confessed other wise?

Besides ,let's assume you're right. If they are not of God , did God give us mandate to start attacking people?. God says we should avoid them. You avoid them personally. Don't listen to them. Because in your attack , you destroy the faith of many people from the house of God. I know you don't have a pastor or a local church where you are committed . But you dont have to destroy the faith of others because God will hold you for their blood!

you can't take laws into your hand by fighting a fight God didn't send you. Jesus knows what to do with false prophets. The Word Is clear on that.

2 Peter 2:1
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It's clear here , he said they will bring upon themselves swift destruction ! Are you the holyghost who will purge his Church? 

The scrupture bellow  clarify Jesus stand.

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

This is the bible standard. It's like husband and wife fighting in the presence of the children . No matter how right you think you are ,you are wrong. You are injuring christ. You rather give me impression of false brethren who move to and fro. They always despise those who are in spiritual authority. Satan hates ministers with a passion. If anyone is false ,judgement of God will come on them. How do we safeguard people from false prophet .it's simple teach the truth. That's all. Not name calling.

I want the MFM authority to investigate and apply appropriate discipline as the church is an embodiment of Holy Spirit with unprecedented hand of God

You ought to take the matter to their church authority and not Nairaland

Demons are not fallen angels , they have characteristics which are not angelic. They are more human than angels because they were once humans in the world before Adam which was destroyed at the fall of Satan

Solution to sin is to develop a love relationship with the holyspirit. By that such person constantly find himself walking in the spirit. By that he will become dead to fleshly desires.

Galatians 5:16
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

plappville:
. Who is pastor Anita?

Here is pastor Anita

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desertboom:
Hi people. . . Please, read carefully because I'm using a mobile. A good friend and I have been having this endless arguement about "what you sow is what you reap" since yesterday. My friend believes that no matter the weight of your sin that once you come to Christ you're made a brand new, all sins has passed away, you become new and start a new life

Your friend is right. If a man comes to christ he is a brand new person . The past is gone and forgotten.

I strongly believe that what a man sow that also will he reap even if he run to Jesus or God the natural law must stand out.

your friend had scripture of the new testament to support his view. What scripture supports your own view? We should not use our mind to judge the word.

lonamy:
In Nigeria, religion followers blindly follow their leaders, some of them don't even read their bibles they only quote what their pastors say, and you will see the members jerry curlying their haris also. I know that it takes a lot of time to set your hair, cream it and make it shining the ways we used to see it on the TV. My question now is that if these pastors are devoting so much time to the way they jerry curl their hairs, then what is the quality of what they preach? What is the quality of their prayer time and preparation for the Gospel.

It's women that jerry curl hair. Men have their own simple cream .they don't need setting the hair . besides what had hair got to do with prayer? What about your barbing? It takes as much time to creame the hair. There is no bible hairstyle . You have a choice. Afro,low cut, gorimapa, or curls. Na your choice.

frosbel:
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So is it money pastor chris preach about or Jesus .e en though nothing is wrong in teaching people about finances. We teach the message of life. Try watch the programme on your tv today and see that you're a false accuser. I don't know which devil gives you people such false information

Gaggi:
Nobody should criticize me. [b]I need a miracle in my life. [/b]I'm yet to see one. All those embeded videos prove nothing.

Then you're not ready for a miracle if you can't believe in miracle . You need to have a sincere open heart .God is still healing people.

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We can cut delays short by embracing the message of faith.

Galatians 4:1
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

Azibalua:
Nonsense village headmaster

Is he a headmaster now or lecturer?

Don't speak about what you do not know
Pastor chris teaches honesty,and love virtually in every service
He has never been proven to be associated with any crime whatsoever.

John 7:12
12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.


Jesus was called freaud . Thesame satanic attack is always on.Anybody can say any nonsense. Has the gospel stopped?

YOUR PRAYERS DOES NOT NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CEILING.

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I CAUGHT MY 8 YEAR OLD SON WATCHING Indecency, HOW DO I DELETE IT FROM HIS MEMORY.


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unphilaz:
am afraid this forum is like when paul came to athens where it said 'spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or hear some NEW THING Acts 17:21 and that new thing doesn't point to Him.

I see your point. Very good point. Satan will rather have christian shooting down themselves in ego.  Than edifying post. You can start a thread on some of thoseedifying topics. I did And few people did couple of such threads I will try find the link

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-737695.32.html

aletheia:
Christians can be sure because Jesus said so and He promised us the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit who will guide into all truth. .

I wish you will really get to know that holy spirit personally. He will make a vessel of honour out of you ,instead of the filth and hate you regularly vomit against Gods people.

Sweetnecta:
. after all Jesus who the christians claim to be his followers turn over the table of the exchangers, who are probably doing interest based business there.

He turned the table because they were doing it in the wrong place. He's not against interest .

Luke 19:23
23 Then why did you not put my money in a bank, so that on my return, I might have collected it with interest?

Basito:
What makes a prophet a false prophet?.that you don't like what a man of God teaches does not make him a false prophet

Correct question.

And we should realise that Christianity is not based on what we feel or like or what we don't like.Rather, it is based on the dictates of the word of God.When a man goes contrary to the dictates of the word of God then your Christianity has a question Mark.For example, did God give you an office to expose false prophets?

Now we are confronted with two things.
How do you know the people you called false prophets are false?
If for any reason they are what does the word say? Those are godly question to ponder on. What a danger to realise God didn't send you on the mission you gave yourself.

emmanuel4j:
That video has been posted by someone who has carefully targeted only certain rich pastors who happen to be rich, to be false. The question is would any issue be raised if these pastors were not rich? How come issues have not been raised about poor pastors being false by this video? Is this a fight against rich pastors or false prophets?

Falsehood has to do with doctrine and not financial status. Gods word tells us how to judge the doctrines. It has to do with their concept if the person of Jesus.

2 John 1:7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1 John 4:2-3
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Religious minded people use their carnal feeling to judge others. I won't be surprised if someone says to use a/c in the house is false. Afterall Jesus didn't use one!

newmi:
John 7:24
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. ,
Question: What is this righteous judgement?
It a judgement based on the tenants. and ddictates of the WORD OF God.

judgement has Three meanings. If God wants us to judge, he's talking about discernment.

If a man believes he has truth he should simply make the truth known. You expose lie by telling truth. Not by cursing . I don't have to curse darkness ,I should simply turn on the light . By turning on light I will expose darkness and it will flee. But people mostly criticise what they know not. For the fact that you're not perfect ,you ought to take it easy , because your assumptionmsy just be wrong and it becones a sin against you. Those who criticised Jesus were very sure he was a fake. We should present our matters in humility so that when you realise your error there is room to learn. But when you start shooting . When you realise your error,pride may nit allow you to admit.

East:
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
We have to expose them, but we have to do that not before the ungodly!

We must follow scriptures. God will not hold these critics gutless for the blood of any unsaved person who's heart get harddend against the gospel by the reason of their attacks

frosbel:
Owning a Jet bought with the sweat of church members who can barely make two ends meet is a SIN.

Firstly the church money is not the pastors money to start with. But lets assume its even so Where is it in the bible that it's a sin. So if he buys a car it's a sin too? Or is it only plane that is a sin?

Living in opulence, while the vast majority of Christendom is struggling to cobble together a meal is a SIN.

Why should Christians struggle. If you're struggling ,it's only because you've rejected the message of faith that should prosper you. You said people should not listen to the message of prosperity. Yet you complain of those who are suffering.

Why can you not travel via normal transportation, what is the essence of a JET that costs so much money

Do you own a car? If yes why? Why don't you go by public transport.

Preaching salvation and then alluring the young converts through the lust of the flesh and pride of life is madness.

if you can't help them out of poverty why complaining when somebody else does it. Is it lustful for a man to know his right and inheritance. What did Jesus die for? To produce poor people.

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Orikinla:
What is even a private jet?
A private choice to have your own plane as anyone of you can have your own car.
So, a pastor having an SUV is a sin?
But having a small  Picanto is not?
So, if the pastor takes the British Airways with you, that makes him a real man of God than when he flies on a private jet?

It's simply called "SENSE KNOWLEDGE" when a man uses his  senses to judge others. Wealth comes from God. Many ministers are fivers and that principle is what brought wealth in the first place. Prosperity can be a product of spirituality .

3 John 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

God is against trust in wealth, God is against inability to share. But he Is certainly not against enjoyment.

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frosbel:
Was Jesus rich, Was Paul rich, Was Peter rich ?

Is that a criterial ? Is that what the bible teaches that being rich is a sin and a sign of false hood. Is riches nit from God. You shouldn't read your own meaning into scripture . That's a sin

Mind you I have no problem with riches if gained honestly and used for the glory of GOD.

Youre contracting yourself .

But the messages in many of your churches today are centered on MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Thats what the poor need to hear, you complain there's poverty and yet you criticise the message that will bring them out of the poverty.

Far too little is mentioned on the need for Holiness, Repentance and altruism

If holiness is your passion ,preach the holiness na. Instead of telling another man what to preach. Everyone should focussing on the assignment God sent them. A man that is busy has no time to be judging another. And if you believe in holiness you will not be speaking evil against ministers.

So have you gotten breakthrough over sin?

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