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aletheia:
^Hogwash. . .Trash

KJV: I Corinthians Chapter 11
[19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Hope you have returned enigmas manuscript to him. Ok sorry na mail

frosbel:
I was talking about religions , not Christ Embassy

We will come to CE later !!

On the contrary, its not about CEC .The video will teach you how to witness to men in other religions. You will learn great deal from it kindly watch it.

plappville:
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Even u can answer them lols, Topic over graded!

Maybe I should throw some questions for you then

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Pls can you throw more light, how did you get healed?

Wuthout the supernatural , christianity will be like any other dead religion.  Despite all the many many evil attacks of the devil against miracles and the power of God, God has been confirming the words of his prophets.

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plappville:
. Tithing is for God, what hurt is how pastors miss used the money.

How do you know they miss use? How do you know It's church tithes and offerings they used to build the schools?. Let's avoid criticism without facts.

BERNIMOORE:
@ jo agbaje
can you please explain these scriptures;
SINCERELY IN SURPORT OR AGAINST THE REAL MESSAGE FROM THE TRUE LEADER JESUS. AND APOSTLE JOHN.


Luke 18:18-27 (King James Version)

18.And a certain ruler asked him, saying , Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?19And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thoume good? none is good, save one, that is, God.20Thou knowest the commandments, Donot commit adultery , Donot kill , Donot steal , Donot bear false witness , Honourthy father and thy mother.21And he said , All these have I keptfrom my youth up. 22Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackestthou one thing: sellall that thou hast , and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt havetreasure in heaven: and come , followme.23And when he heardthis, he was very sorrowful: for he wasvery rich.24And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said , How hardly shall they that haveriches enterinto the kingdom of God!25For it iseasier for a camel to gothrough a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enterinto the kingdom of God.26And they that heard it said , Who then can besaved ? 27And he said , The things which are impossible with men arepossible with God.

Jesus was teaching about the impotance of giving here. All of us must practice giving. The man was obviously not a giver.

(Luke 9:58 ; .
"Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head."oxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head." (Luke 9:58 in the New Testament Bible, NKJV) .

Jesus was entering a city where they rejected him, he didn't have a house to stay yet for that day. So when another man asked to join Jesus, he politely told the man. " I don't have where to lay my head ( in the particular city where he was rejected) But If the idea you try to create is that Jesus never had a house , that's not true, even in his poverty . He has a house.

John 1:38-39
38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? 39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day:

The nicodemus man who came to Jesus by night whom you quoted didn't meet Jesus under the bridge.

1 John 2:15-17
15.Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16.For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

These are straight forward scriptures ,it doesn't require special interpretation. A christian should not love the world. But I may not know your motive or this. But if by this you mean God is against the prosperity of Christians, you're wrong. God is nit against our prosperity.

Psalms 35:27
27 . . Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

You can see that. But what God hates are two things. If a man holds back from giving, or if a man set his heart of wealth as security instead of on God.

1 Timothy 6:17-18
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;


So God is not against our wealth at all. We should serve him with our wealth. He doesnt want us to live from hand to mouth . He wants us to be rich so that we can be blessing to others.

Genesis 12:2
. . I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

frosbel:
Precisely my point. These schools are built on the backs of the poor and yet the same poor cannot afford to attend them.

Does a poor man give for such mega projects. It is bank money. If you teach that wealth is worldly why complain for the poor. Let them enjoy their poverty. And go to poor school. Is it not part of your "SUFFERING FOR CHRIST"?

Then we have some wolf followers who will boast about how the pastor gave scholarshiop to 10 students.

If a pastor Gave scholarship to 10 students you should commend him. He did something! . You what are you doing? You can't hold your pocket and be pointing fingers on how another person should spend his money. He is accountable to God by himself.

. . pastor gave scholarshiop to 10 students.  What !!! !What about the thousands out there.

You should pay for the remaining thousands !  since you advocate against the prosperity of Christians.  Case solved! Or you send them to poor school. Is it not a waste to go to expensive school according to your doctrine?

You can't be contradicting yourself like this. Have a focuss.

toluxa1:
COVENANT UNIVERSITY, N640,000 a semester.

BENSON IDAHOSA, N500,000 a semester.

BABCOCK UNIVERSITY , N450,000 a semester.

REDEEMERS UNIVERSITY, N450,000 a semester.

AJAYI CROWDER UNIVERSITY, N350,000 a semester.

MADONNA UNIVERSITY 350,000 a semester.

ALL OF THESE UNIVERSITIES WERE BUILT FROM TITHES AND OFFERINGS OF THE COMMON PEOPLE WHO NOW CAN'T AFFORD TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE.  Where have the morals of the church gone?  These schools were all built by the  sweat of  the church members who kept  sowing seeds,  special offering seeds, first fruit seed,  redemption seed, thanks giving  seed, harvest  seed, tithes, pastors birthday seed,  church  building seed, evangelism seed,  father’s day  seed, mother’s day seed, children  day  seed, pastors cake seed, olive oil seed,  etc.  These schools are now elite schools, only for the rich politician’s children. The gainers then use the proceeds to buy private plane and jets to fly up high in luxury while their members sleep hungry and the next Sunday, they will read Malachi 3:6-12

We should be careful how we criticise the body of christ. How much information do you have about the schools, the vision, the purpose and how money was raised. Either through  partners; foreign and local. banks or church offerings. These things can be sinful.

If a church runs a business, it runs by itself ,not by church offerings. Most times a loan is raised probably with church property as collateral. But the business runs on it's own To pay off the loan with time. Will they make school fees free? Who will pay the loan and interest.

The second thing we should look at is ; What is the purpose and vision of the school?  Is a church is moved by the poor quality of education  and dream of a school of standard and well equipped ,that's a vision and purpose. If you want such quality education you pay for it and give God thanks for such excellent vision. Instead of running abroad.Students have to pay for it.

But if the vision was driven by passion to make education available for less privileged , then we can talk of free education and cheap schools.  If a church announces cheap education and changes the story later, that will be dishonesty. But if the vision was quality,then we must pay. Quality cost. It's not by bringing the fees down it's by raising our faith high.

frosbel:
If that's your perception, good for you.
But remember it is not by force to read any article here for that matter.
Christians are not known to force their beliefs down anyone's throat , we simply present the truth.
Truth will always prevail at the end of the day.
We are all created beings, if you disagree I respect your space to do so.

I love your politeness here. I will like to send a mail to you Can I have your email or contact in my box ? Thanks

nlMediator:
"Shalom", "God bless you", "be healed" are all declarations. They're a kind of prayer. The declarant expects that his delcaration will come to pass because God has set the necessary order for its manifestation. That is, it is an indirect prayer, as opposed to the direct prayers we are more accustomed to. When Jesus spoke in Mark 11.23 about speaking to a mountain and seeing it removed - similar to 'be healed' - He was speaking in the context of prayer, as the next verse makes clear.

Ok I agree they are prayers . But they are not prayer to God. I can pray for a man and bless . As you said " just like speaking to the tree. But it is not a prayer to God.

@Mabel

Its for a special reason .Because of their persecution in the early church, they couldnt go to work so they had to sell and share what they had because they were being hunted and killed ,they were living and hiding together but it was not an everlasting principle. paul said those who do not work should not eat

2 Thessalonians 3:10
10 For while we were yet with you, we gave you this rule and charge: If anyone will not work, neither let him eat.

Gods idea is not for us to live from hand to mouth.

Thats it. Most of Those who always Advocate for the poor don't really know how to help them. Firstly, giving handouts to a poor man will kill both the poor. Because he lives from handouts of food or money, his faith is in the little coins and on you and he can't see beyond that. Better to teach a man how to fish than handing out fish to him which can't satisfy him. yet he is the seed of Abraham , who has many potentials . He needs a man that can teach him how to stand. We can't take giving out.  We should give and our giving should be empowerment. Not daily bread. No man should be a liability.

If a man comes to me and say he was sacked from work  and needs money. I may not rush to give him o. I will rather first ask what's your plan? "what can you do? I will rather plan with him and give him bulk money to do something meaningful. Than giving an adult 5,000 naira or daily or weekly. When we hand out money to a man full of potential. We haven't really helped. We are rather destroying him . Even though we may get the feeling of "We be righteous man"  but the guy will come tomorrow. I believe in empowering people so that they can stand to empower others . That's what the teaching of prosperity is about. Giving handouts only gives us religious feelings. I can do that to strangers and beggars by the road side who I may not always meet. But for children of God, they deserve better help. And how can you help others if you're broke? The message of prosperity is for all. All can be rich. If they follow susccess principle

Knight1:
1. what is the purpose of mature prayer please? speedier answer or it keeps God happy or what?

As a man grows , his language has to change if not, he won't receive .

2. if you are healed, why do christians still fall ill? have headache etc. It means the provision for you healing has been made.

Theres a legal aspect and the vital aspect of our salvation . The legal aspect is what what christ has done and purchased on our behalf. The vital aspect is our awareness and faith and possession . Yes provision has been made for everything,

1 Corinthians 3:21
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;

3. what makes the 'greater' is not necessarily   because of the 'height' he has attained alone, the blessing makes you a 'greater' too. that someone gives me something sufficiently makes him a greater. _{i make this point very carefully so as not to be misconstrued} consider Heb 7 pls

I'm not talking about being greater in heaven or before God. I'm talking in terms of being greater in authority by the virtue of office. God says to submit to those who are above us. He call them rulers in the body of christ.

4.God bless you is a prayer to whom then?

It's a pronouncement of grace. If I say "BE HEALED!" is it a prayer to God? The Jews greet "shalom" it's not a prayer to God . But it's supposed to be a spiritual greeting and blessing

5. i think you might need to define the term 'blessing' because in ALL of Paul's letters he blesses the recipients of those letters in one way or the other. And I am sure that it wasn't in Paul's power to make those blessings come to pass!

It's a general term we use which connotes several things. Sometimes we often use it religiously. Or as greeting.

manmustwac:
TELL THOSE DELUSIONAL PEOPLE FOR ME. SO BRAINWASHED THEY STILL BELIEVE THAT PRAYERS IS THE ANSWER TO OUR PROBLEMS.

Prayer is solution to all of mans problem. Prayers creates an atmosphere for divine intervention .the spiritual real rules the physical.

Yes o.

nlMediator:
Your explanation is not satisfactory. The reason you don’t pray ‘God be with me’ is because God is with you. Then you go ahead to pray the same prayer for another Christian, whom God is also with. Does that make sense to you? Same thing with ‘God bless me.’ If every christian is blessed, why pray that the christian be blessed when you won’t say the same prayer for yourself? And you have not responded to the point about why Paul would pray that God be with Timothy. Are you bigger than Timothy and is the God with you different from the one with Timothy?

At least there's no place where paul is asking for God to be with him. Which many Christians are doing today. That is the error being addressed. You know Enigma like to use his lawyer skill to confuse simple posts. I understand what he does very well. The message is very clear and simple. Firstly look at the context of the video. It's to help Christians pray more maturely.  It is immature for us to be asking God to give us what he said he had done. I will come to paul and timothy matter o. If God says I am healed , I shouldn't say "come and heal me". If God says I'm blessed I shouldn't say "come and bless me. If God says "I am with you" I shouldn't say come and be with me. It's a prayer of unbelief.

When it comes to our personal issues and things that has to do with Satan. We don't need to ask or beg God. We lay hold by faith. For example I can't ask God to come and cast a devil away. It is in my power to exercise authority because,these are based on the finished works of christ. I posses my possession by faith. I don't have to call om God for what he has done.

But as I said earlier , a minister who is higher can blessed someone under his authority.

A "greater " can pronounce blessing on the lesser but not the other way round. I will try and get the scripture on that Timothy wont make such pronouncement on paul.  A higher person in authority can make certain pronouncement on people under his authority. Sometimes by the spirit other time just out of courtesy.

I don't really want to enter into the content of what said to Timothy ,does it mean God will now follow Timothy because of paul pronouncement? .if you understand my write-up above you will see that it's based on a principle . Its a prouncement of blessing. Not that God should "follow" Timothy. It's a pronoucement of Grace.  And he wasn't praying to God. If I say "God bless you" or "you're blessed" it's not a prayer to God. I really didn't want to enter this because it will require explanations of the principles especially to those who don't believe in leadership offices in christs body.

So the thread is about the religious prayer to God some do. Which can't get result in the new testament. "God pls be with me" "God pls hear my prayer" etc. But a minister can pronounce words by the authority and anointing. That's why a minister can tell someone "be healed!" even though "by his stripe he was healed" but that is different from someone saying "God pls come and heal me" "god pls take this devil away" The body of christ can't mature by those kin gds of prayers
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1. Jesus only gave an outline as a guide. He didn't give them a prayer to memorise.
2. Secondly,the holy spirit hadn't come .

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: . . , and he will shew you things to come.

Right now we christians pray by the spirit and not religious programmed recitation.

Ephesians 6:18
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

, there is a certain price to be paid by those who solely rely on the information of others without making any efforts on their own before forming an opinion on any issue. For a very long time, there has been a strong wave of attack on the person of Prophet TB Joshua of the Synagogue Church of All Nations, especially against his healing methods, lifestyle and doctrines by ex-disciples who have now form a bloc.

That has been the problem with most critics. They get evil report from whoever and never do independent investigations. Satan hates ministers with a passion . He will always stir false or exaggerated stories about them. Which always have the characteristics of contradiction.

Mark 14:56
56 For many bare [b]false witness [/b]against him, but their witness agreed not together.

Debosky I really don't know you much, but God bless you for this piece.

^^^
My Nairaland I.D is joagbaje. If you want a response if you address me appropriately.

When people ask God to be with them they are talking in terms of feeling of assurance of his presence. But that's of the flesh . If the word of God says he is with you always and  beyond that ,he is in you. Why would you be praying for God to be with you. It means you can't take his word for what it says. The prayer is fleshly and babyish.

No new testament minister prayed to God like that.

The woman is a demonic liar. She has been exposed here.
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Jenwitemi:
. What a FRAUD you are, jo.

Why you dey abuse me na? What i said is from the bible. If you have a contrary opinion , kindly put it forward but you must back it up from the Word.

Esé púpò

Security is based on common sense as the need arise.

Enigma:
You and your man say people should not pray "God be with you"

Don't twist this. There is difference between "with me" and "with you" . I cant ask God to be with me because he is always with me.
But when a superior pronouce be with you, it's a grace he is imparting. A manifestation. But you won't find him asking God to be with him. If you ever find Paul asking God to be with him then you have a point .

frenchman2:
just wondering why people sleep in church.some people sleep off immediately they walk into the church.
about 30% if not more sleep while sermon is being preached.what could be the cause.

Several reasons,
1) if the message is boring .
2)If the message is not delivered by the anointing( message of flesh)
3) Demonic attack, demons do make certain people who are not well prepared sleep. But when a man is spiritually charged. It wont happen

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those utterances of grace on other people. I can say God bless you. But I won't pray God to bless me.

Have you found paul praying for God to be with him?

When will you wake up from this critical error? Satans assignment.

Revelation 12:10
. . : for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

I know how much tapes and books of ministers have been a blessing to me and others. Abc of evangelism by Bobb rus. Good morning Holy spirit by Bennywise hinn. Abc of follow up. Authority of the believer by Kenneyh Hagin. Supposing these men died with all they knew ?. But the were concerned enough to share with us through their taped DVD and books. We should rather be thankful. Were those things produced free by the press?

@op

Christians don't rejoice at calamity. It's only from you I'm hearing this.

frosbel:
No one, and I repeat no one is immune from trials and tribulations in this world.

But the christian has hope, in the midst of the tribulation ,there's a way of escape . Our case is different except a man has not undstood the message of faith

obirock:
May I use the following verses of scripture to emphasize Apostle Paul's teachings on the need for earning a living and being personally accountable while preaching the Gospel.
Acts 18:3 "And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers".
Acts 20:34-35 "Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive".
1 Thessalonians 2:9 "For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God".

Paul laboured with his hand in corinth because the Corinthians were stingy and carnal. He receives money and support from other churches. He didn't want to accept anything from Corinth because people like frosbel were there who would call him a thief .That was his reason. It's not a church rule. He even explained himself there.

How Ironic. Apostle Paul laboured with his hands to feed himself and those (weak) around him but today Nigerian Pastors collect from the very poor majority of their followers and end up buying private jets and expensive cars while so many from their congregation wallow in abject poverty. Well, if only Nigerians can begin to demand more from their leaders, especially those who claim to have a divine authority. However, if they were taxed by the government , it would certainly make them more accountable and charitable as they are legally licensed to be

Jesus took money from people, paul did, the other apostles did. That's even by the way. Many pastors these days have their jobs and businesses. The money people gave in church is not for the pastor . A real pastor must be a number one giver. The only reason a pastor will prosper is because he himself gives. If a pastor doesn't practice giving he will lack