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But your assumption is wrong. Private people owns oil rigs in Nigeria. The oil rig of the bishop is not in nigeria to my understanding. But you should make independent enquiries. Ask the members

He didnt buy it. It was a seed sown into his life

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Follow what the bible teaches. not your mind.

Mark 16:20
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Wonderful testimony

At least a minimal interest. Not excessive interest that will drain life out of the borrower .

plappville:
Apart from the video, i know the level of poverty in nigeria villages and i know that the church can help, what i didn't know was if those men of God were this Rich

Are the planes personal toys. Why not make enquiry. There's a ministry that has a big ship. Which they use to move relief to people in different parts of the world . If you dint know what they do with the "Mercy Ship" you would have labelled them materialistic .

I never believed that any man of God who is Christ like will accumulate wealth becos (( There is a place prepared for him)) I take example of Pastor Kumuyi, all about him is a simple life, his church is also rich but he is totally Christlike, he teaches Christlike. (becareful, i am not a deeperlife so don't misinterpret)

It's obvious you're not a member. I'm sure when you see His house and car "your" opinion of simplicity will change.

No reason should be behind a church bying a plane, a bus can enter thoses villages if it is for Gods work.

They should drive bus to America and Asia ?. Are you serious? If a man has an international ministry and has several nations to go and ministers and also experienced delayed flights and cancelled flights which ruined his schedules . He may consider to chatter plane or buy one. So find out Instead of criticising. I think one of their members addressed these issues of planes in a thread here ,find out

Why u compare those Pastors with BILL GATE? they ve do not ve same statut,

Poverty is a global thing. If you blame winners chapel because poor people are on the street. Are there no poor people in new York? You should hold the people elected into offices accountable. The church is not accountable for government job.the church has it's system of helping .

Yes the Gov has roles to play, but if u look at this case, it seem the correuption in the Gov is affecting the church as well. tHEIR CALLING IS TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH AND MATERIAL THINGS
(make i eat make my broda die system).

The church primary purpose is preaching the gospel. And every church has it's structure of helping members in need.

The bible told us that, the church/pastors helping the poor is Gods work.

Quote the scripture pls

So if a Church is too rich, lets some of the Church wealth be spread to the poor.

A man that is poor should work and practise giving. That's what the bible teaches.

Ephesians 4:28
28 Let the thief steal no more, but rather let him be industrious, making an honest living with his own hands, so that he may be able to give to those in need.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

WEALTH MATERIAL AND HOLINESS can they WORK TOGETHER? .

Yes they go together. I agree that this who have should share. God bless us to be a blessing . How do you know the charity work of the man you criticise. We should rather be concerned with our own charity works instead of telling others how to use their money.

. . .Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men (Matthew 5:13).
 
The Early Church preached the Gospel so much until persecution broke out against them in Jerusalem. Preaching the Gospel against all odds was proof of the truth they believed and heralded, because in Luke 21:12, Jesus already revealed the intensity of the persecution those who believe on His Name will experience:

“But before all these, they shall lay hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake.” 

As Christians we must not be complacent in our primary responsibility of making the Gospel known and establishing the righteousness of God in our sphere of contact. The major reason several nations have been destroyed by the devil through mass annihilations – genocides, wars etc, is not because the devil couldn’t be put in check, but because the Church in such regions had gone cold and complacent.
 
Evil persists when good men do nothing. The Church is the one to prevent and restrain the evil one and his cohorts from terrorizing and inflicting hardships and pains on men’s lives. So don’t become callous, unfeeling, and unconcerned about the state of affairs around you. Let the plight of the poor, the sick and the downtrodden motivate you to your knees in intercession. The light of the glorious Gospel of Christ’s salvation is a nation’s only hope for true progress, meaningful development and effective sustenance.
 
Understand that the onus is on the body of Christ – the Church – to see to it that wicked laws, opposed to the preaching of the Gospel are thwarted and overturned through faith and effectual prayers, and godly laws enacted.
 
Prayer
Dear Father, I take my rightful position as a priest and a king today, and I declare that through the power of righteousness and influence of your Spirit, an enabling environment is created for the preaching of the Gospel. I declare that your Kingdom is established in the hearts of men, as satan’s devices to deliberately and systematically hinder the preaching of the Gospel is frustrated, in the mighty Name of Jesus. Amen.
 
Further Study
Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
 
Pastor Chris

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I don't know what you derive from attacking joagbaje. I will still speak the truth either you like it or not. But moderators still need to do something about people like you in a public forum. If you don't have something meaningful to contribute , it's not a must to make a post if insulting joagbaje is your only contribution. If you don't believe there are private oil rigs in Nigeria ,why not ask questions ?

Proverbs 18:13
13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

. Why call me 419. Did I steal from you? That is not christ like

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frosbel:
100% agree with walking in LOVE.

Prove it with your life.

But does walking in LOVE mean compromising with false teaching ?

Not at all. You should  reject false teaching if you love Jesus . How can you be sure what you call false is false. Because your believe is Also seen as false by the bible standard  by another person too.

frosbel:
Funny !

There are false teachers, false prophets and false apostles and false brethren.
It's in the bible , read it up.

I'm aware. But the people you're attacking are pastors, not prophets. But you label prophets to fulfil your hate.

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Everybody is false except you . What is eating you up is from inside dear.

aletheia:
@Joagbaje:
You snake!

Pzzzzzz. . . . . Ssssssss. . . .

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precisely . . .Truth will always prevail.

frosbel:
In the right context , what the author of this article means is stop exposing the false prophets.

You know you are lying . Because my motive is very clear. Your challenge is just pride. Because I'm not talking about your attack on churches here or ministers. Or your so called "false prophets"

I'm talking in the spirit of soul winning. You can't be claiming you want to preach Jesus to other religions by attacking them . You may win in your attacks but you lose the soul. It's a bundle of contradiction. The second part is that you stir up hate . And at the end of the day . A forum that should have been a channel for the gospel becomes a battle ground. Bros take it easy . Do it Jesus way. The gospel can only be communicated by the love of God. Read my opening post with open heart . I prayed for you before posting it.

Leave us alone to carry on with the deceiving.

Well my answer is NO, hate me, abuse me , whatever, I will continue to speak the TRUTH in LOVE.

Now you can see how all the false religions are agreeing with your stance , that in itself says a lot of things 

It's rather a shame that outsiders are seeing this error and you guys font see it.

ogajim:
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When you write stuff like this, you EXPOSE your self to the kinds of ridicule you get,

Christ bore my reproach , I bear his reproach too.

how can you compare those who are homeless in the state of Washington(where Bill Gates is from) with the kind of poverty in Nigeria? Many homeless folks here are in that condition by choice for the most part and even get the option to sleep in shelters operated by non profits and mostly by Churches, the ones you see on the street all the time just don't want to be bothered with being told when to wake up, not smoke whatever or some other reason.
Speak on what you know man, Bill committed how much of his fortune to Charity?

How many people have you helped? Let's stop talking. Let's start helping. Those who do the work don't talk. You can't be hiding your money and be dictating how another man should spend his own.

plappville:
@joagbaje, u re not been just!

Would you care to explain

free123:
what is wrong if a pastor helps the poor?

Don't get me wrong .I believe in helping the poor. I do help the poor.and I have a home filled with people that are nit my blood relative. Some picked from roadside. I won't say more than that . . . .The point is I do believe in helping the poor. I have done some thread and teaching on that even on Nairaland here.
The question we should ask is that those who attack ministers falsely in the name of helping the poor, who have they helped. At least the ministers being attacked are doing something . They have helped many, given scholarship to many

plappville:
@Frosbel, i dont know if it's right or wrong to exposed them, but i know the scripture warned us to beware of them.

My question is :what forms his standard of calling someone false prophet? The people being called false prophets are not prophets to start with. They are pastors . A pastor is over a congregation. The bible didn't teach on false pastors . So much ignorance is being displayed here. What have they prophesied. The bible gives the standard to identify such .

"You must remove the evil person from among you.

The church has power to excommunicate an unruly person. But such is done within the church

plappville:
My heart beats me in pains, this video is hurting.

They got you. Thats the power of packaging . Worked on your ladily emotion for the fun of it. How will someone cut pictures from here and there to form a story that doesn't make sense.

What will 3 jets do for a man of God if he is to follow Jesus?

Have we heard from the man before condemning him? I love to conclude from facts not assumption. Can tithes and offering buy a plane . With all the budgets of running the church? You can judge if you're objective enough to hear from the other side. Where the money came from. And what are the planes for. What is the reason behind it.

This is not judging, how can there still be poverty in children from a village of a man of God that owns 3 jet?

Is he the one to so the work of the government. You should question the people elected into office . Is there no poverty in bill gate town. Are there no Americans on the street without a home? Why do we put every blame on the ministers of God. They have their calling . Which is primaritly to preach the gospel. Not to do government job.

What will a 30jeeps do in the kingdom of God?

I have asked this question before. Does pastor chris drive? Where will he drive to? He doesn't go anywhere. He doesn't buy cars.

Is God bias that he gave them all these wealth and allow some of thier church members to walk under the rain after  church service?? This is a greedy and a wicked act, it seems they are in competition.

Anyone who practice the principles of prosperity will prosper. Jesus paid the price. We only need to embrace the message of faith.

. . .Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God (1 John 4:7).

Every day, our love-nature is tested by difficult people or circumstances that try to make us act contrary to who we really are. There’re times when out of fear, you may be tempted to lie against a friend as a means to escape trouble or punishment. That’s when you ought to be bold to walk in love, for that’s how to gain the victory. The Bible says,

“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear” (1 John 4:18).

When you walk in love, you’ll see only the best in others because love is the purity of God. We all ought to only see the good in others, not because we’re naïve, but because love-power can change the bad. Walking in love is a high place in God, and you must be determined to walk in love always. If you’re born again, the love of God is already in you (Romans 5:5). That means you have the ability to love like God, but you have to make a choice to walk in love, for love is a choice – you choose to love!

God doesn’t make you love someone; He’s already put His love in your spirit and now it’s up to you to let it out. Learn to relate with people from God’s perspective. See them the way God sees them, and that’s the right way to live. If you walk in love, you won’t steal, slander or malign anyone.

Choose to love. Many haven’t realized it, but the solution to the many broken marriages, friendships and relationships is love. Even when others rebuff you as you try to reach out to them in love, don’t be discouraged. Love is the greatest power in the universe, and if applied correctly, will eventually melt the hardest heart.

Pastor Anita .

So telling us they are false , what have you achieved. Does your ungodly propaganda against them Stop the work of God in their lives. Focus on reaching the world for christ . That is what christ will commend you for. Not by attacking men that God is using. They believe in prosperity , you don't . Everyone should face their belief.

. . .And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none… (Ezekiel 22:30-31).

In Luke 13:1-5, some people came to Jesus to ask Him about the death of some Galileans whom Pilate had killed while they were at worship, mixing their blood with the blood of the sacrifices on the altar. In His response, the Master referred to another event – the tower of Siloam which fell and killed eighteen people. Jesus ascribed their misfortune to sin, and cautioned those He was addressing that except they repented, they would all likewise perish.

Now, such acts of judgment could sometimes be visited upon a nation or a people, especially if the Christians in that nation are not fulfilling their priestly ministry of intercession. It’s our responsibility as Christians in the regions and nations where we live to put a halt to evil works masterminded by satan and quell the terror he unleashes upon nations. When we pray for our countries, there are increased activities of righteousness; the presence of God mantles men’s hearts and God’s Word prevails in their lives.

Many countries today are groaning with the pangs of violence, war and disasters such as earthquakes, tornadoes, tsunamis etc. The analogy of the Master in Luke 13:1-5 shows that these catastrophes don’t happen in a nation because the people domiciled therein are the worst sinners. By interceding for our nations we can haul back the forces of darkness in our lands. It’s our responsibility to do this.

We all need to realize that as Christians we’re the custodians of our environment; we’re called of God to preserve the earth and its inhabitants through prayers. In Matthew 5:13, Jesus said,

“ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted?

Jeremiah 29:7 says

“And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the Lord for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.”

You’re responsible to God and to the country where you live to seek its peace and pray to the Lord for it. So it doesn’t matter where you are, or what you do, this is a call to you as an individual to intercede for the progress, peace, prosperity and preservation of your nation.

Prayer
Dear heavenly Father, thank you for the power you’ve vested in your Church. I stand in that authority right now, against demonic forces that instigate destruction, violence, disasters and wars, forbidding them from actualizing such in my country, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study

1 Timothy 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

dare2think:
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And who told you they did not use it

Was it not said that certain members bought the redeemed plane? And I'm aware that bishop oyedepo has oil rig which was given to him as seed.

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Rather the holy spirit was ability and empowerment. Not ceremonial introduction. Jesus needed the anointing of the holyghost to empower him for ministry. His childhood was silent because he hadn't received the endowment of power. From the day he received the holy spirit he was being led of the spirit.

Luke 4:1
1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

After the wilderness experience , he continued to be led and empowered by the holy spirit he had received

Luke 4:14
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

frosbel:
I. It Is Right To Practice Biblical Judgment
. The lesson is plain, you cannot judge another for his sin if you are guilty of the same sin.

God didn't say so.he says dont condemn at all . Don't judge another mans servant. And if you must correct a person, do it in love.

Galatians 6:1
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Those who cling to "Judge not, that ye be not judged, " to condemn those who expose error should read the entire chapter. Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,  " (v. 15). How can we know false prophets unless we judge them by the Word of God?

There is difference between judging a doctrine and judgin or condemning a man . we don't destroy we build . And thats if you are right to even start with.

If we know the false prophets, how can we fail to exam the sheep of these "ravening wolves?" All through the Bible we find proof that they should be identified and exposed.

Did bible didn't say so.

Those who are unwilling or incapable of discerning or judging between good and evil are in this manner revealing either their disobedience or their immaturity.

Correct

II. It Is Right To Expose False Teachers
False teachers are free to spread their poisonous doctrines today because there is a conspiracy of silence among many Bible believers. Wolves in sheep's clothing are thus enabled to ravage the flock, thereby destroying many.

If there's need for correction, there is a principle. GO TO HIM! Personally. Not in the Agora open market. Jesus feels it when we try to ridicule the body openly.

1 Corinthians 6:1
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?. .
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

When we take church Matters to open market . We ridicule the church before unbelievers . Innocent souks are wounded .Jesus didn't send us to pull out tares.

[b]Matthew 13:29-30[/b]
29 "He replied, 'No. If you pull out the weeds, you may pull out the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. When the grain is cut, I will tell the workers to gather the weeds first and tie them in bundles to be burned. But I'll have them bring the wheat into my barn.'"

John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees (the religious leaders of his day) "a generation of Vipers"

Jesus said to the religious Pharisees, "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?

Jesus and John were Gods prophet to israel. They function in an office.

The Bible Admonishes Us To Expose Error

What is your definition of "exposure"?

We are to TRY them.
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world"

What's your definition of false prophet .read that verse again.

1 John 4:2-3
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Now the people you label as false ,do they fall short of this verse? Do they confess that Jesus is not come in the flesh?

There are several things you're mixing up here.

We are to MARK them and AVOID them. "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them " (Rom. 16:17). Those whose conduct and teaching contradicts the Word of God are to be marked and to be avoided.

We are to REBUKE them. "Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith " (Titus 1: 13).

"Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers " (Titus 1:9).

We are to WITHDRAW from them. "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which ye received of us " (II Thess. 3:6). We are to withdraw from those whose doctrine and conduct does not conform to the Word of God.

These were instructions to leadership of the churches. A leader has authority to enforce discipline under his jurisdiction.

III. It Is Right To Name Names
Many mistakenly believe that it is wrong to expose error and to name the guilty teachers; but they are wrong according to the Bible.

Paul named Peter publicly. Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice. "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed ,  But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" (Gal. 2:11-14).

Paul was an apostle and a pastor over a people. He had authority to protect his sheep because Peter came to do this error in his church.

Paul named Demas for loving the world. "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world" (II Tim. 4:10). Those who forsake the cause of Christ for worldly living and pleasures should be named and exposed. (Christian Rock!)

Did he carry it to the market place to discuss? He wrote to Timothy. It's still within the church

Paul named Alexander the coppersmith. "Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil. the Lord reward him "cording to his works: Of whom be thou ware also, for he hath greatly withstood our words " (II Tim. 4:14-15). It is clear that this is not a personality problem, but a doctrinal problem. Alexander had withstood the words and doctrine of Paul. He was an enemy to the truth. Godly pastors face the same problem every day. They stand and proclaim the truth, then their members go home and hear this truth disputed by radio and TV preachers.

Who did paul write to? Sahara reporters? Church matters are settled in the church . Thats what the bible teaches.we don't take laws Into our hands.

Pls don't get me wrong because I know some people will soon come and say joagbaje is advocating we should keep quiet . That's far from it.

Firstly separate people from what you assume as their offence. I read aletheia calling image123 false teacher or so just because the guy says he believes Christians are not to take alcohol. These things are wrong. You don't label a man for his belief He has his reason and point. Even if what he believes is wrong. It is the doctrine you should be debating . Not the individual. The second part is the question : what makes you think you are the one that is correct. It is 50/50 maybe you're right , maybe you're wrong . Why not discussion a civic way. Deal with topic rather Than labelling people. Supposing you're wrong in the labelling then you have sinned. I don't believe a woman needs to cover hair . But I shouldn't label such churches as false. You may not believe in prosperity but don't label those who do as false.

If you're open to discussion I will be back

And what makes you think you're not the false teacher? Why do you think the other person is wrong and you are right ?

And who told you they used tithes and offerings to buy jets?

Azibalua:
The gospel will surely move on whether anyone likes it or not
Carnality smells bad oh,

Leave alethea Oo. Na jealousy dey worry am.  . She/he has entered false accusation . His/carnality really smell big time .