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frosbel:
Am I paranoid or what do you think ?

I think you need a pastor .

2 Timothy 2:24
. . . And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

God will open your eyes someday

Tee_Jay:
it's not how long, but how well. You can be a churchgoer for 50years and still not have a clue about spiritual matters, And like Jesus said "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye, Matt 7:5

You are right . 50years and yet no respect for Gods children , calling sons of God Zombies! Gods treasure whom Jesus had purchased with his precious blood ,"zombies? What a wasted years


Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no foul or polluting language, nor evil word nor unwholesome or worthless talk [ever] come out of your mouth, but only such [speech] as is good and beneficial to the spiritual progress of others, as is fitting to the need and the occasion, that it may be a blessing and give grace (God's favor) to those who hear it.

dare2think:
I agree with the Bolded.

But you initiated that there is a difference between the "rich sinner" and the "rich saint". But Jesus never used those terms in the bible when he was discussing about the Rich man and the Needle.

But you chose to differentiate them yourself thereby distorting the real saying of Jesus Christ. Dont Think you can just come on a public forum and spew things unchallenged. Here is not a church congregation.

I didn't say Jesus said so . I was giving an explanation of something to clarify your mind against wrong assumption. The religious idea people have of that passage is that Jesus is against a man being rich. And that if you're rich you will not enter heaven. If compared with other verses. You will see that the assumption is errorneous. Jesus was dealing with inability to give ,greed ,covetousness and trust in riches. Money is a servant. You need to have it and use to serve God.

Luke 12:19-20
19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

A righteous man is rich towards God . A wicked man is rich towards himself only. The problem is not the riches but the character . God delights in our prosperity. Which is contrary to what you are projecting.


Psalms 35:27
27 . . .Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

The Gospel literally means GOOD NEWS, i.e Gods Word.
There is different between preaching God’s Word and Teaching Religion.

The name defines itself GOODNEWS from destruction ,poverty ,sickness,sin and death.

The counterfeit christ is primarily a Jewish issue. During their tribulation after the rapture . When the Antichrist turns against them after the first 3 and half years of romance with them. They will begin to look for the real messiah.

vislabraye:
So God has double standards.

Multiple standards, according to his dealing with a people .

If you can do a little research on youtube, you will hear it with your unclothed ears when TD Jakes made some vague statements supporting this. I'll post the link to u later.

I listened to it  And I understand what he meant . Those who didn't hear the gospel will be judged by the conscience which is a witness of God in them.

Romans 2:14-15
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,

How will God judge nebuchadenezzer? Or your great great great grandmother? Is it According to the law ,or according to the gospel?

You don't create a doctrine from a verse. You need to compare scriptures with scriptures. Every true doctrine ought to be confirmed by many scriptures.

1 Corinthians 4:15
15 You may have countless Christian guardians, but you don't have many spiritual fathers. I became your father in the Christian life by telling you the Good News about Christ Jesus.

Philippians 2:22
22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.

John 19:26
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus will contradict himself by calling Mary a mother to john. Let the argument rest. Let us not misapply Jesus teaching. Or else you will have to start  calling  your parents by name.

dare2think:
Just answer the simple question
Did Jesus differentiate?

You should know by now if your questions are getting insincere , I will stop reponding to you. If it's ridicule you are out for. Bit if you seek truth and you want to discuss . Let's look into our bibles and see what God says. I didn't say Jesus differentiated . I dont like people who manipulate my posts to ridicule . I'm only trying to point to you the understanding of that passage. You believed by that passage that God is against being rich. And that's what I'm trying to correct. He is against a man putting trust in riches instead of God. But he is not against riches . That rich man had his trust in riches. He can't give.

1 Timothy 6:17
17 Tell those who have the riches of this world not to be arrogant and[b] not to place their confidence in anything as uncertain as riches[/b]. Instead, they should place their confidence in God who richly provides us with everything to enjoy.


He gave us everything to enjoy, but he would not want us to place trust in things. That's the point I'm trying to put across.

Did Jesus differentiate between the "rich sinner" or the "rich saint". Did he not say "rich man".

If you compare scriptures with scriptures , you will get the full revelation. Jesus had rich people that were sowing seed to his ministry . He didn't condemn them for being rich.

Luke 8:3
3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod's administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples.

By the way, YOU ARE NOT JESUS

What has this got to do with me?.

^^^^

dare2think:
Please supply the evidence that Jesus collected Tithes and "seeds"

If they gave him their tithes , I may not know. I diddnt say he took tithes. But he sure received money and gifts.

Why do you always give your own interpretations to justify your arguments. That is scary and fraudulent. You keep falling for the names that you are being accused of.

Jesus was called fraud too . It's not an issue . I will still speak the truth.

Pls correct me if I am wrong.

You are

vislabraye:
Although I dont want to join conspiracy theory, there are some statements TD Jakes made which are questionable. He was saying something subtly encouraging lesbianism and homosexuality. And when asked "is Jesus the only way?" he says , "there are other sheep which are not of this fold." the word of Jesus in John10, which he interpretes as it is possible for other non-Christians to enter Heaven.

Td jakes didn't suggest there is any other way. And of course we can't deny the fact that there are some people who will get saved in other faith if they never had opportunity to hear the gospel. There is another standard of judgement for them. They won't be judged by the gospel , they will be judged by their conscience which was a witness of God in their haaerts.

As par judging others, we have to be careful as well as wise. The same Paul who says we should not condem was the same person who rebuked Peter for behaving like a hypocrite in the book of Galatians.

There is difference between rebuke and condemnation and criticism . At least paul confronted Peter directly. That's love.and restoration.

dare2think:
Imagine if Jesus collected tithes and "seeds", the guy would have been the richest man in history.

And who told you Jesus wasn't collecting money?

But that would have contradicted his view about the RICH man and the NEEDLE which our "prosperity" brethens always shy away from.

Jesus wasnt saying it is wrong to have money. There is a different between a rich sinner and a rich saint. The saint gives his money to serve God. He is rich towards God.

"My God is not a poor God", Pls when did God ever get concerned about earthly riches.
Hypocrites is too nice a word for their kind.

All things belongs to God. He makes men rich.

Psalms 35:27
. . . .Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

He is not against our prosperity. He is against us putting our trust in riches. that will be idolatory .

He didn't ask us to pray to him, he asked us rather to pray to the father in his name.

John 16:23
23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

It doesn't matter the indoctrination of children. When Christians pray the way they ought,the power of salvation will break through the Walls and barriers of false religion. Salvation will be wrought. Only if we spend time on our knees enough.

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Of course I heard from him and others who knew him. I met a police at a checkpoint recently , and after I gave him a free copy of rhapsody ,he said that he was in the same school with pastor chris. EDO COLLEGE in Benin . I asked him to tell me about him. He said the same thing , about his passion for the lord , preaching here and there. Then he told me pastor chris was the president of Scripture Union those days . That was new . I didn't hear that before.

Music is neutral . It is the lyrics that determine if it's a bad music or a good one. It is not determined by the beats or tempo.

If he

Enigma:
too who went to T B Joshua whether to receive "power" ni or whatnot

at least you admit there is a "Power" so the next thing is "what kind of power"

But for your information , pastor chris had been working miracles from secondary school days. Preaching in villages and distributing free bibles.

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dare2think:
@ JOAGBAJE
What did Jesus say about the rich man and the camel?
Am waiting for you to come back to quote the bible and give us your own interpretations,

mazaje:
Do you really believe in the words of Jesus? I thought Jesus said that it is easier for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. .

A rich man that is unsaved is different from a rich man that is a believer. A rich man in God use his money to serve God,but a rich man in the world use his money for fleshly things. Jesus was not against riches . He is against greed. He is against the inability to give out what you have. Such a man is rich towards himself but not rich towards God.

He gave a parable of the end of such a person and how he died by his greed in Luke 12

Luke 12:21
. . . So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.

To be rich towards God is by liberality . So it is clear that God is not against riches and prosperity, he has given all things for our enjoyment but he doesn't want us to set our hearts on those things by putting trust in them. That will be idolatry. He wants us rather to bless others with our riches,

1 Timothy 6:17-18
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;

. . .Jesus repeatedly told his disciples to sell all they had give to the poor and follow him? Where in the Bible does Jesus tell his follower that they will be super rich?. . . . .

Mark 10:29-30
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

The persecution part is what every prospering ministers are seeing now.

Once your formula  is wrong , your calculation will definitely be wrong. Apart from the fact that God would not want us to know such things by mental calculation instead of being by revelation, he already has a wrong foundation to start with. Amagedon won't come upon the world yet, until the rapture has taken place, what we are waiting for is the rapture and not the end of the world . After the rapture , there will be a 7 years tribulation after which the second coming of christ will take place. And after this there will be a 1,000 years of peace on the earth. (millennial reign of christ ) . After this there will be a last battle between good and evil. This earth will pass away. After the judgement . A new earth and a new heaven will emerge.

So where did I get my quote from

MrBible:
Jesus has already warned we the elect about all you false pastors and ministers:
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.

The scripture you're quoting is primarily for Jews during the tribulation. The bible rather warns us of false brethren like you guys. On what ground are you attacking ministers .this is against what bible teaches .

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

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Thanks for the correction. But my point was that it is not a must for Levites to be the one to collect it

Is the church money for the pastor? Does the pastor himself not give his tithes? Tithing is based on revelation. Was their a Levite when Abraham tithed?

It depends on What music he is dancing to

MrBible:
How come pastors are now Levites that collect tithes?

They never said they were levites

How do you know that ?Are you in their hearts to know that they love money?

So, what is your criteria for falsehood? And beside that scripture primarily applies to the during their end time tribulation. Even if it applies to the Church, what makes you call Pentecostal Pastors false prophets and children of God zombies just because they attend churches. Isn't that an Antichrist teaching?

Read it again

Hebrews 10:25
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Since it's a light thing for people like you to irreverently call children of God ZOMBIES. What a disregard. For the blood of christ. If you don't have a pastor as I believe and you don't go to a living church. Let others be and stop doing devils assignment.

Jude 1:8
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.