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MrBible:
Jeremiah 23:1

1 “Woe to the shepherds and pastors who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares the LORD.

Was this written for the church ? Or leaders in Israel? . Mr binleremiah. Spend more time on the epistles of paul and get grounded in truth.

MrBible:
God has revealed to me that there are two sets of people in Pentecostal Churches or these churches with General Overseers, these set of people are False Pastors and Zombies worshippers.

John 4:23-24
[size=16pt]23. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
24. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”[/size]

Children of God stop worshiping false pastors.

Before attacking church services check the bible first.

Hebrews 10:25
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

You sound like a sheep without a shepherd . Who is your pastor ?

God has revealed to me that there are two sets of people in Pentecostal Churches or these churches with General Overseers, these set of people are False Pastors and Zombies worshippers.

God or demons?

Revelations 12:10
. . . . for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Azibalua:
Where are you getting the money you so carefully hold back

It is the devil that stirs all these nonsense to discredit ministers

2 Peter 2:10
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

dare2think:
How then do you know a TRUE man of God?
Is it by the material possessions?
By the amounts of JETS and CARS?

In the first place , God didn't send us to do police work by trying to know who is a man of God. But the bible says rather if a man comes to you as a minister, you should be careful who you receive as a minister . The bible tells us how to judge a minister . And that is by what he profess . Who is Jesus christ to him. What is his concept of salvation.i.e how many ways to salvation? Is Jesus come in the flesh or in the spirit. Did Jesus resurrect bodily?

frosbel:
^^^
I am sorry sir, but you seem to be a defender of false teachers/preachers and also false doctrine.
May God remove the scales of darkness from your eyes before it is too late

No dude , you seem to me to be one of the false teachers , that's why you guys take pleasure in attacking ministers of God and the church. If you have respect for christ,you will rather edify the church . That's if you have the holyghost .

dare2think:
@JOABAJE
1. I dont agree with this video, it seem to me like a propaganda, but then again I may be wrong.
2. Pls can you help me out with a very interesting verse I saw whilst watching the video.
"2 Peter 2:19 "


@ Earswide

Check out this verse too.it seems, to me,  to corellate with the present day pastors, then again, I may be wrong. "2 Peter 2:19"

It talks about false teachers that will rise to polute people . and one of  the way  to know them is their characteristic of lack of respect for ministers of God and everyone in authority in the church.as it states in verse 10

2 Peter 2:10
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Harbb:
Please use the link below and watch this. Is it true?

http://forum.ngmix.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4292&sid=6ca41cefb8b1e9be2b28e2cbd9158378

Satan doesn't have a new strategy. He is out for every minister. Anybody can come up with any accusation.

Mark 14:27
. . . smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered. . .

pgreatcd:
As a matter of fact, many of you critics always judge, evaluate and count the congregations from the sides of the ones who are not yet lifted. why not from the ones that lifted from grass to grace?
Just get closer and you will see how the Pastors are touching lives financially.
Finally, I want you to know that my comments are not in any way denying the fact that some are their for their belly and selfish intents, while many of them are their fulfilling purpose. Why should Pastors' affairs grieve you as though you were the one that called them?

This is the truth. there is a satanic reason for all these attacks. It's the sheep Satan is after.

Matt 13:27
. . . smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered. . .

Why don't you bear your name and study the bible concerning the meaning of the passage you wrongly quoted

Why insulting the church of christ? Are you christian or pagan?

There wasnt any rapture . But if you believed it came, why didn't you go with the "rapture"

@zikky

Zikkyy:
Jo, if i remember correctly, you said sometime ago that human cooperation is required for God's will to be done. Here Oyaks is saying divine wisdom takes control of man and makes him act in accordance to God's will. How do we reconcile your statements in the past with this

Yes of course. Divine wisdom can take control of a person and make him function in Gods will. But a man has to yield himself to the wisdom of God . It's like the leading of the spirit, God is always leading but we may not always follow. it's like hearing The voice of God, He is alWays speaking but we may not always hear. That is the cooperation part. We have to learn yieldedness to him to fulfil his purpose in us.

God doesn't force his will on us. As a man yields himself to the spirit, the wisdom of God will manifest in him, to the point he may not be thinking of what God has to say in a situation ,but he will just know what is Gods will and do it.

The same old trick of professing some occult understanding of God's scriptures that only a select few "MOG"s can understand. Clearly, you do not understand what you profess. Your own words continue to indict you and stand as a witness against you

Stop wasting words and space . Deal with topic if you have anything to say.

Has God ever declared a man righteous if still there remains sin unatoned? If it is only the Blood of Jesus that takes away sin; how then were Abraham, Moses and others declared righteous in the eyes of God.

Then you don't understand the blood of christ. The animal blood didn't take away sin. It covered it , and they have to renew the sin offering from time to time. God sees the blood of the innocent animal because man is not innocent again , he needs an innocent blood for temporary cover. God was fed up with it . He wanted to deal with sin forever. Man ,despite the fact that many were called righteous in character. Their spirit was still separated from God. Their worship of God was not in the spirit.

John 4:23
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: [/b]for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


Their circumcision was of the flesh, but the real circumcision is of the spirt.

[b]Philippians 3:3
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.


One more thing you need to remember, Paul had fulfilled the righteousness of the law as a devout Jew .he believed like any other Jew that a messiah was coming. Why did he needs to get born again. Supposing he had died devout in the Old testament time? Like the rest. You see . This guy was perfect according to the righteousness of the law.  But now there is a new law of righteousness .Paul with all his perfection had to be born again. The same thing goes for every Jew ,dead or alive. Every one was saved in christ.

Being born again is receiving a new nature by having their sprit recreated. Only the resurrection of christ can bring that about .

Again and again the OT scriptures made known by similitudes and parables (e.g. Abraham & Isaac on Moriah; the Passover, the genealogy of Noah in Genesis 5; the story of Cain and Abel, the bronze serpent in the wilderness and the Children of Israel drinking from the rock and so on; the nature of God's redemptive plan. . .which is that even from the foundation of the world the Blood of the Lamb would save all those who are being saved whether OT saints or NT saints.
I have asked you several salient questions pertaining to the salvation of the OT saints, (the latest being this: In the year that King Uzziah died; how was Isaiah's guilt atoned for when He saw the Lord? Name just one OT saint of whom God declared that he was counted righteous because he kept the law or by his works? )

They are shadows dude. It's time you distinguish the shadow from reality.

Acts 1:4-5
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

An on the day of pentecost , they had this experience.

Acts 2:1-4
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Speaking in tongues is not the holyghost and the holyghost is not speaking in tongues. But the two work hand in hand.

The Samaria experience.
Many believed that the pentecost day experience was just for the birth of the church. But About 8 years after the Pentecost experience , Samaria experienced the holyghost and after salvation.

Many people also believe that after being born again , a christian automatically receive the holyghost. But it is a separate experience.

Acts 8:14-17
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


. The initial manifestation of receiving the holyghost is "Speaking in tongues" it was evident that they spoke in tongues when the holyghost came on them and it got simeon attention.

Acts 8:18-19
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles'hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

One of the reason for this is that Jesus had predicted the working of the holyghost in the believer by granting ability to pray in other tongues.

Mark 16:17
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

There is difference between the rapture and the second coming. All eyes will see him at the second coming because he will tOuch down. But at the rapture, only the saints will see see him. Others will only observe that People had disappeared on the earth.

@Mabel

mabell:
You don't need to be insultive
is that how you want to make your point clear

It's probably due to frustration.

Any church , or pastor that has business pays like any other. If a church has a bank for example , it will go through due process or it won't be recognised. If an MOG has business , he will go through normal procedure to be registered and pay every legal fee and tax.It is not church service It is business.

How many bed can a pastor sleep? = 1 bed
How many plate of food can he eat =. 1 plate

If a pastor makes money, he still puts it back into tge work of God. So what is the problem? If a pastor does business or a church ,why is it anybody's headache. Wasn't apostle paul doing business?.

You ignore the power of God and his Word which declares this: (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. (Romans 4:17)

Start with the known first ,don't try to dabble into what you don't understand .Even though abraham had been ordained to be a father. When did Abraham have the Child? At 100 years shilkenna. if man had been ordained to salvation through christ. The salvation took place at his death. The foreknowledge didn't give man the experience until the price was paid,
If I keep something for you to buy, it's not yours vitally until you pay. Jesus had to pay before sin nature was dealth with  From Adam to date.

I still ask you if it were possible for man to be saved without the blood of Jesus , of what benefit is his death? .

. Christians are credited with the righteousness of Christ, just as Abraham was credited with the righteousness of Christ. As we know even Satan quotes scriptures for his ends.
It is written:

Far from it . Christian are born with the new life in christ.  The new man is created in christ. He has the life of God in him . God dwell in him . His spirit is created in the exact likeness of God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:20-25)

all these are new testament quotes. Men were called righteous ,by deed in the old testament. Abel was righteous, lot was ,David and all the ggod guys.

Hebrews 11:4
4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

But now in the new dispensation, the righteousness of the law and works will not stand. Because there is a new type of righteousness. This is in christ. You have it and become it when christ comes into you.

Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


I think you need to study on the power of the blood of christ . Because  you are insulting it. No man had ability to be recreated without sin being judged on the cross. The blood had to be shed for man. Man at his best is still a sinner by nature . Even though they were called righteous according to their dispensation.

And yet you claim that Christ's righteousness is not credited to Christians. You are a pastor in Christ Embassy and yet you have such a wishy-washy grasp of the basic principles (the milk) of the Christian Faith. No wonder CE is in "endless error hurled". If this is the understanding of a pastor; I shudder to think how it must be for those not pastors there.

Let's lay personality aside, you start attacking personality of a poster when you get hooked. Be civilised and discipline for once as a christian ,stay on topic , not on personality of a poster. It is a sign of weakness and manipulation. Let's stay in the bible .

Being saved is the same as being born again. Simple. No one OT or NT was saved (born again) outside of Jesus. The only difference was that in OT times one had to be a Jew (or a proselyte) to partake of this blessing through the Law of Moses by being admitted into the Nation of Israel through the physical act of circumcision.

Be very careful, because you are now treading a thin line wherein you deny the power of God and the gospel by claiming that men are saved apart from Jesus by their works.

I will address this in another post.

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption ().

True wisdom is of the Spirit. It’s much more than the mere application of knowledge; it’s a force that controls you. It makes you say and do the right things at the right time. It guides you and causes you to be in the centre of God’s will for your life, doing God’s things God’s way, and in God’s time! It causes you to function beyond human reasoning. This is the wisdom that’s in your spirit if you’re born again, for the Bible declares that Christ has been made unto us wisdom from God (1 Corinthians 1:30).
 
Divine wisdom is a product of your recreated human spirit that you must be conscious of. When you’re propelled by wisdom you’ll always make accurate choices, judgments and decisions, and do the right things the first time; your steps will be steps of success, glory and victory.

The most exciting part is that this wisdom isn’t something you need to pray to God to give you; it’s already in your spirit. All you need do is recognize it; be conscious of it, and walk in it! When you’re conscious that the wisdom of God is functioning in you, your life will be an unending stream of the miraculous and be pleasing to the Lord

Confession
Christ has been made unto me wisdom, therefore I’m wisdom-conscious! The wisdom of God is in my heart and in my mouth today, causing me to say the right things, do the right things and walk with divine insight into God’s plan and destiny for my life, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
Luke 21:14-15
Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

1 Kings 4:29-30
And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.

aletheia:
What rich irony! Just as Loveworld TV etc is owned by Christ Embassy; another known cult.

Homeless individuals like you call it cult.

In any case your surmise is wrong, Family Radio is "owned" by Harold Camping not Christian Science.

Harold camping is of christian science.

aletheia:
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I see. The power of the Blood extends back all the way to Adam and also into the future. . .and yet you do not consider Abraham & others to have been saved by the Blood, when God makes it clear right from Genesis chapter 3 that without the shedding of the Blood, there is no remission of sins.

When was the blood shed. Remission took place at the place of the blood. Not before it.

You lot go on and on about faith and yet by your theology; you deny the power of God.

There she goes, yet you don't insult.

Again I ask you: What does this mean: Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.? At Mount Sinai, when God spoke to the nation of Israel and said: "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation."^{Lev 19:6} What did he mean? When David by the Holy Spirit said: "Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered."^{Psalm 32:1} By what means then was his transgression forgiven and his sin covered when the scriptures lead us to understand this: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."^{Hebrews 10:4}

Can the blood of animals purge away sin? The blood of christ was shed 2000 years ago . Righteousness was credited to Abraham. But for the christian It's different. Righteousness was not credited to us . We became the very righteousness itself. We became very the righteousness of God.

2 Corinthians 5:21
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Corinthians 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


Many people were counted righteous in the OLD testament. Either by faith, by works or by the law. They were called righteous men. But christ is the essence of righteousness itself. And our union with him grant us the same righteousness God has.

If men could be born again without the blood of Jesus , of what necessity is his death?

nwa afo:
Harold Camping and [b]Family Radio [/b]have taught that Jesus will return in "rapture" and judgment day will begin on May 21, 2011. Do u believe this?

Besides I think this family radio is owned by christian science. Which is known to be a cult .

The Deeper Christian Life Ministry that you detest with a passion has been preaching at crusades and retreats in Nigeria and since its inception they have not taken advantage of the thousands of people who flock there to ask for offerings to feed them, can you say the same with the prosperity gospel that you preach?

so is there any church asking for money to feed them? I don't get your point. Point of correction ,I don't detest deeper life  Of course there are things I don't agree with which I don't feel they are scritptural. It's between the MOG and God. I don't like to go into such area but your hypocrisy makes me mention such things and we thank God Some changes are taking place to the glory of God. No church is perfect .Except that some  members go to extreme of what the pastor is not even teaching. just like u.

OLAADEGBU:
I didn't expect you to watch it as it exposes how "prosperity gospellers" make mercandise of God's people which is your stock and trade.

How have I made merchandise of Gods people ? Pls enlighten me?.

I'm not cornered in any way. The issue here is the understanding of salvation. Even though Jesus was slain in the fore knowledge of God. He has not been slain in reality. Our salvation and being born again has to do with the reality of of the blood shed. So the fore knowledge didnt make anything a vital exeperience. We were chosen in him according to foreknowledge also .

  Ephesians 1:4-5
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

But does that foreknowledge make us saved automatically ? "No. The only thing that takes away man sin, is not their works , but the blood of Jesus . Shed on the cross. It travelled back to Adam and also to our future.

Look at your hypocrisy, before you guys say what has church done ? Now you have a hint of what the church is doing you attack it. You see what we are saying.

OLAADEGBU:
So you mean God can break protocols and allow sinners to live in heaven?

Yes he did. Why will you dwell on the spectacular experience of just 2 people at the expense of the body of truth. Lets work with the one God has revealed to us. Man died through the first Adam , man came alive through the second Adam period.

Who exactly are you referring to and can you quote those insults?  This is a pathetic sign of a drowning man grasping at straws.

Pls let's leave petty matters . Aletheia hardly make posts without throwing insults at me.

OLAADEGBU:
Prosperity gospel preachers laughing all the way to the bank.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omLJT73j6MQ?fs=1&hl=en_GB[/flash]

I'm not interested in your hypocritical video, tell me if your church doesnt take money to bank. I'm not going to watch it.thanks for nothing

OLAADEGBU:
If all the bragging and showing off your material possessions is what you call the gospel you will be in for a surprise. If Apostle Paul was bragging about all the material possessions his was able to acquire do you think he would have reached the unsaved world as he has done? God resists the proud but He gives grace to the humble. You should know by now that the way up is down.

I'm not bragging about possession dude. Stop this religious post twisting. Jesus was clear on the fact that a man's life is not by his possessions. I bragged to the mockers of faith that the gospel is true. Tithing , givings are applicable and they work.

It's something to laugh about. He was more concerned about ad-libbing , he didn't even know the song.