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Image123:
Mr jo, you should rather read well instread of jumping to inconclusive conclusions. i never said that prophets cannot tell you what only you know for you to believe. i asked "What's the purpose of a prophet telling you your phone number and date of birth, marriage etc, and not telling you of your dire need of the Saviour Jesus Christ?" Why would show men not talk of the need for you to repent and come out of your sins, into full salvation and dedication to your Creator. Because they are just out for show, to mesmerize, to indulge and trap miracle seekers. That is what most of the so called prophets do, they are not real prophets from God. Beware of false prophets Jo.

That's not how the bible tells us to judge . We judge false ministers by their doctrine and what they profess about christ. Not about the use or demonstration of gift . The fact that someone doesn't do the way we do shouldn't make them false . What is their statement of faith . What is their doctrine of christ .

Mark 9:39
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And it's important to know that he was teaching about spiritual gifts when he made this statement

Rilwayne001:
And so if this is the first?, then which earth were you talking about before Adam came?
I thought you said it was destroyed by Yahweh?

The word first actually mean former . In terms of succession . Amplified translation made it clearer

Revelation 21:1 amplified
THEN I saw a newsky (heaven) and a new earth, for the formersky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea.

Rilwayne001:
Let me derail a bit.

@underlined is the same heaven and earth we currently are, am I right?

Yes

HardMirror:
You are well on your. way to agnotism. I can see it clearly.

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It's bible I quoted from

Does your reply make sense to you? So it's humans that are not power hungry? Or perhaps the next satan is angel michael the arch angel

In the new world God rules . Not lucifer or any arch angel. Such office lucifer had is no longer available

Ranchhoddas:
How convenient.So why did He allow Satan in the first place? Why not take care of him at once instead of waiting for thousands of years and condemning billions of easily-manipulated humans to the same fate as Satan- something He already knew was going to happen by the way

He destroyed the then world and the solar system . He created a new man in his image ,Adam as father of the new race . And gave him dominion over the earth. Man was also to judge the fallen beings .

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

But Satan deceived man. And man lost his place. That's how Satan became the word ruler again, so the present world system is under Satan The power Satan is using is what man lost through Adam And that why Gid sent christ as a last Adam . Who won the fight for man. As man's representative . The obedience of man is the judgement of Satan .

John 16:11
About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him.

Rilwayne001:
Woooo! I have never heard of this though. Any reference

He wanted more power ,and wanted to take his throne above God

Isaiah 14:12-18
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them,
lie in glory, every one in his own house.

ErnyyBobo:
From your reply to hardmirror...

Are you now saying Christians won't dwell in heaven for eternity but the dwelling place will be on earth forever?...

At the rapture the saints will be caught up to heaven. The world will be ushered into a 7 year peace plan between isreal and Palestinians but the 7 years will be tribulation under the one world ruler the antichrist . Those are the 7 years saints will be in heaven . After that . Every other thing will be on earth

Revelation 21:1-4
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Ranchhoddas:
Will there be freewill in this new earth?

The bible didn't talk about that . As long as there's no Satan to influence people . If we have free will . It will be for good. And it's not going to be a boring place . God is highest in technology .

ErnyyBobo:
Good. .. Which means there is every possibility of the same thing occuring all over again...

Don't you think so?? After all everything was perfect the first time..

Satan was a ruler on earth . But now in the new earth God rules .and dwells with man .

HardMirror:
Are you sure you are a christian talkless of a pastor?

I am a nairalander poster.

From which bible did you read this your fairy tell? Where is it in the bible that satan lead a rebellion on earth before God created Adam?

Isaiah 14:12-18
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them,
lie in glory, every one in his own house.

When God created the earth in the beginning under lucifer leadership .it was a perfect creation .he didn't creat if void without form. It became without form after Gods judgement

Isaiah 45:18
The LORD created the heavens. God formed the earth and made it. He set it up. He did not create it to be empty but formed it to be inhabited. This is what the LORD says: I am the LORD, and there is no other.

The creation of genesis 1:1 was a full civilization. It only became waste ,void and empty by the judgement of God on that world. Jeremiah explains how it became void.

Jeremiah 4:23-26
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;and the heavens, and they had no light.24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled,and all the hills moved lightly.25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man,and all the birds of the heavens were fled.26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,and all the cities thereof were broken downat the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

Lucifer (Satan) was the angelic ruler on the earth before the time of Adam. He fell from his position before Adam was created


Isaiah 14:12-14
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!13.For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. ,

His fall was due to his hunger to rule in heaven .

. . . . I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He could only have desired to ascend to heave because his primary domain was earth. There was a heaven there was an earth before the time of Adam creation. This civilisation of lucifer must have been hundreds of millions of years . The earth is not 6,000 years old. Radio carbon dating proves the earth is millions of years old. Fossil evidence of. Pre historic animals

The key question we should ask ourselves with all honesty is . WHEN DID LUCIFER FALL.? Was it before the emergence of Adam or after the fall of Adam?

And the question that chap asked was very simple, " was heaven not perfect before Lucifer scattered the whole place? And if that could happen then, why won't it happen again and again?"
Even angels left God and came on earth in the days of noah. Does that not tell u heaven makes no sense when you have "sons of God" fleeing just be cause of Pvssy they see on earth.

Do you know the reality of Hell fire than the angels? Yet they don't mind going to hell just for common Pvssy.

Think about this

It can't happen on the earth again because all rebellion would have been put down . We will dwell with God on earth forever not in heaven

ErnyyBobo:
You failed to answer the question sir...

Yes there was joy peace In heaven .

Decker:
I am lost here. How would you be able to estimate days, weeks, months and years in heaven? On earth, we get our idea of day and night, and time in general, by the effects of the earth's rotation and revolution around the sun. So, how would you calculate 7 years when you are in heaven? Is heaven also a planet that orbits the sun?

That's what the bible says . It's earth timing.

ErnyyBobo:
Was "joy , peace n perfection not in heaven befor
Before Lucifa happened??

Lucifer was actually the ruler on earth before Adam came . He rebelled with men on the earth against the almighty and the world was destroyed by a flood . God then created man in his image . One of the purpose is to be obey God and be able to judge angels . But lucifer made man fall and man was destined to the same doom with lucifer. That's why Jesus came to restore man that's what Christianity is about . And it's still sad that some are still blinded by lucifer who is called the god of the world system .

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Lilbrown007:
AND HOW COME ANGELS ARE FALLING TOO

Lucifer was already fallen before man came . Now he will be judged and condemned . When

MuttleyLaff:
24"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
25then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
26"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

Happy days with your scriptures cherry-picking. SMH
You don't half make me laugh. So when do you apply Deuteronomy 14:24-26

You're mixing two issues together . There were two kinds of tithes . There's the major one done annually they are brought to The lord and recieved by Levites in the temple .

The second one is another ten percent for feasting with the poor . Not thesame as the annual tithes .

My point to you is that men gave money in the temple as tithes and offerings . God doesn't accept unclean animals or blind or lame such were redeemed by money and given to God .thesame way people can sell and given money value

MuttleyLaff:
If you perceived it as poetry, take it from it wasnt intentional, it was accidental and not deliberate

Now again, you used ''The Pastor'' and ''pastor'' in your narrati

In the last snippet contrarily to scripture, you obviously ascribe to a hierarchy with a pastor at the helm of the organization
Your parlance particularly with ''The Pastor'' and ''pastor'' beg the questions, what is the difference between The Pastor and pastor

also in your usages, when is pastor a noun, when is pastor a verb or when is pastor both?

If I used such term . There's no difference between a pastor or the pastor . I still don't get you

MuttleyLaff:
Depending which ''dog'' you mean here
If you rear and sell dogs or horses, you are expected to give tithe on your increease

That's what I've been trying to point to you .God doesn't accept unclean animals . For tithes or offerings . They redeemed them with cash .

Leviticus 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.

Lilbrown007:
PLS READ WHAT YOU WROTE THIS TIME WITH UR HEART DON'T YOU THINK YOU SOUND SELFISH YES THAT'S WHAT CHRISTIANS ARE SELFISH..

If you want to ask a question simply ask . No insult required . What has my post got to do with selfishness . That's just what is in the bible . If you want the passage I will quote it for you.

AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEW EARTH A RECYCLE OF SIN AGAIN??

not at all . Everything that offend will not be there . It's people , joy and perfection . The way God intended it from the beginning before man fell

otemanuduno:
O! for real pastors do CHARITY?
that kine charity eeh.

Until I start seeing Pastors building public schools and hospitals that run free. And until I start seeing their scholarship offer adverts in the universities like shell, chevron and total scholarship, I will only count their charity testimony as same with their miracles testimonies.

USE YOUR BRAIN!!!

Pastors have donated libraries to schools,prisons, gave money ,food,clothes to the poor, motherless, empowered people in businesses to mention few

HardMirror:
Interesting thread.
Don't worry about hardmirror, worry about yourselves.
Thanks joagbaje

God is still merciful my brother in arms.

Hebrews 3:15
 . . To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

MuttleyLaff:
Income from herbs refers to and means acquired herb increase, gained herb increase or gotten herb increase

No, money wasnt involved, they gave nothing as such, nothing in the form of money was paid as tithe

Income from herbs does not still refer to money. They didnt give money as tithe

Let's be attentive to the accuracies of ''ktaomai'' in Luke 18:12 and of ''apodekatoo'' in Luke 11:14 which is where the ''income'' misunderstood translation is derived from

Tithe is paid on the acquired increase by deducting a tenth part of cultivated crops or bred and raised livestock and then give the tenth part away to the Levites to pay as tithe.

Money only comes into the equation when distance or logistics to the Levitical cities becomes an issue, and this is temporary because immediately you arrive at the nearest Levitical city, you are not expected to give the money but you rather are instructed, as seen in Deuteronomy 14:24-26 to spend the tithe money for whatever your heart desires etcetera

24"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
25then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
26"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

Not my opinion

Oh really? How does the man who rare and sell dogs or horses give his tithe? How does the person who deals on perishable crops give tithes .

Are you with this remark pleading ignorance of more than enough scripture that says so?

So the tithing you're championing isnt based on the Mosaic Law? OK and if so, oblige the readership, and tell what is the tithing you champion based on then?
Are you practising the Abraham 10% tithing or you're practising the Israelites 23 two-third% whole tithing?

This narrative is nothing less than a truckload of misinformed assumptions and you've intentionally plus deliberately tried to misinform the unsuspecting reader with it. SMH

It is beautiful and invaluable to have a complete perspective of tithe history, so here are some tithing aetiology questions:
What was the reason for Abraham to tithe?
Who commanded Abraham to tithe?
What was the reason for the Israelites to tithe?
Who commanded the Israelites to tithe?

My point is clear by the thread title . Tithes and offerings are eternal principles in Gods kingdom.

The other thing that ought to be clear too, is the discontinuity of tithing in this dispensation

where was it written .

Where there is a first, there is a last, a beginning, an ending, and a start and a stop. That is clear about tithing

just human analogy . when will God end. when will worship end,when will prayers end? they should have ended with your assumed tithe ending too.

You are joking on EVERY point with this narrative, aren't you?
If you werent joking, then you have to be careful here
Contrarily to scripture, you obviously ascribe to a hierarchy with a pastor at the helm of the organization
so within the context of your narrative and painted organization, what is the difference between Pastor and pastor
and when is pastor a noun, when is pastor a verb or when is pastor both?

Kindly decipher your poem here

lepasharon:
So there is no rapture?

There is rapture of course. we will be in heaven for just 7 years. And those 7 years will be tribulation for those on the earth. after that we will come back to the earth with christ for 1,000 years with christ called the millennia reign. Then final battle of good and evil and after that we have the new earth .

HardMirror:
So the big question is what is the CAUSE of our coming to this world that we are now trying to achieve an EFFECT of making heaven?

Does not make any sense

MAN LAST ABODE IS NOT HEAVEN BUT A NEW EARTH. WE WILL DWELL ON EARTH FOREVER.

Anas09:
Man of God sir. As you rightly pointed out, there's yet no hope for this one. He is lost. He has crucified Christ a second time.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Hebrews:6:4-6
Let HardMirror go. There's nothing you can do for him. That's why I don't bother with him. God is no respected of persons.

That was my fear really. I just felt his case hasn't gone that bad . It's sad. That means any prayer will be waste of energy .

1 John 5:16-17
If one should see his brother committing a sin, not unto death, he shall ask, and He will grant unto him life,--for them who are sinning, not unto death. There, is, a sin, unto death: not concerning that, am I saying, that he should make request. All unrighteousness, is, sin, and there, is, a sin, not unto death..

sageb:
faculty of engineering and faculty of sciences is in permanent site while the others are still in town cum annex campus #still rocking town campus

Hi I was waiting for your message

frubben:
Summary of everytin u just said, they said wen did we c u and nt feed u, cloth u and help u and he said giving to d poor is same as giving to me

No really . There are different kinds of givings in Gods kingdom . We must do all. One doesn't replace the other.

In d old testament God dwells in a building dats why its was called temple where people go and worship him dere, but now he is no longer in d temple but in us.

God never dwelt in the temple in the Old Testament Or any house built by man.

A church is nt a place where u worship God, a church is a place where u learn hw to worship God,

What's the difference .

Giving my tithe to d poor and my first fruit to d poor is same as giving to God get dat

There is blessing for first fruit ,tithe has its blessing and alms for the poor has its blessing . If you give your tithe or offering to the poor . You've not given your tithe or offering at all . But you've only given alms to the poor . You will get the Blesing of alms to the poor but not the blessing of the others you didn't give . One giving does not take the place of the other . We must do all. That is what the bible says

menxer:
Your arguments from where I joined you don't sync.

if God is not to be held responsible, why is he held responsible for the provisions?

There's difference between being responsible and being held responsible. God fulfilled his responsibility by making provision and also showing us how to lay hold on it. you don't hold him responsible any longer. If I paid money into someone's account and he lost his atm card or even lost the money , should I be blamed? Or held responsible? . I was responsible enough to make the provision but not responsible for misuse or neglect on the other person side

You make a case for following God's instructions, when God isn't even responsible for anything. Who would be held responsible for factory fault in the product Or a complex set of instructions in a strange language for a device?

frubben:
To give to the poor nt to the church building,

They should not build where they worship God ? He has pleasure in those who build his place of worship .

Haggai 1:7-9
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Consider your ways.
Go up to the mountain, and bring wood, and build the house;
and I will take pleasure in it, and I will be glorified, saith the Lord.
Ye looked for much, and, lo, it came to little;
and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it.
Why? saith the Lord of hosts.
Because of mine house that is waste,
and ye run every man unto his own house.

hw many pastor has told u to give ur tithe to the poor

Tithe is to God not to the poor. What God commands to the poor is alms.

jesus taugh his disciple to give to d poor nt to him.

Not true . There are different kinds of givings in a Gods kingdom. Alms to the poor is only one of them. Jesus talked about giving of offering ,tithes ,alms ,giving to God and giving to your parents ,giving to fello believer and giving to the man of God. Jesus himself received money . He had a treasurer .

Why ours will tell us if we don't give to the course ( building d church) God will nt bless us dats cajoling

It's an assumption. No pastor will say that. If we give for the poor we get the benefit that comes with it. If we give to man of Gid ,we get the blessing of the prophet . If we give to parents we live long . If we give tithes and offerings devourer is rebuked and more doors are open . If we give to build where we worship God . He will have pleasure in it and pour more blessing too

frubben:
U don't get my statement, a lot of christian are being cajole day by day to give, dis people don't want to but because d pastor attach blessing to it den dey hav no option.

It's an ussumption. Nobody put a gun on this head to give . Everyone still have a choice .

Does everyone give ? If a pastor share on the benefit of receiving why would you call it cajole? Jesus shared the benefit giVing likewise apostle paul .were they cajoling the disciples also?

menxer:
lame argument.
You said we can't hold God responsible, how come he is now responsible for our provisions?

Let me break it down for you. If I give you a high tech gadget to make life easy for you and also give you the operating manual . If you operate without the manual and couldn't benefit from the gadget who do you blame ? Yourself or me. Who is responsible . God made provision and gave manual and principle on how to lay hold on it . If you follow his instruction and it works , you give him praise .

harsysky:
That's just it! And some Christians think they can make them understand. You only pray for them and don't ever wish them bad.

You're right , you can't argue a man into salvation . It's by revelation . But you can debate or discus if there need be. Especially if they give listening ear. Paul debated with people in his time . And won many eventually

Acts 19:9-10
But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.

But the mockers should be avoided .

2 Timothy 2:23-25
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

frubben:
Hw can we help dem wen d church has collected our coin through tithe, offerings, sowing and first fruit and I still hav to feed. Hw?

except your giving wasn't done rightly . if you give bible way . you will rather have more. stop seeing your giving as "church collected your money" if i give to worship God i should talk as if theres regret. such giving has no blessing