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edan15:
. At this age u still they think say people fit dey possessed with a spirit?

Yes of course demon spirit function in every generation. They can be killed or extinc. Also saying atheist are possessed is on a broader platform . I'm sure what was intended was a principle from the scripture below.

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes really, no not just really but a 120% really
and not with your fabricated 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) evidence
because this below is what Paul with a 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) actually says:

On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned.
Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once
- 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT)

Compare and contrast your 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) with my 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT)

Only God knows why
and how you managed to doctor in a non-existent offering wording, into that 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) verse.
SMH, you try, I shift my heinie for you

Of course really again now. Are you surprised?
You better start accepting that no where in the Bible does Jesus or Paul call whatever the believers give offering
Now, you saved your hide by not trying to sought solace or comfort in Acts 24:17

Oya, please reproduce all translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 or any other translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 with offering in the verse

SMH superficial and non-serious remarks like this is an indictment of biblical literacy

This thread was opened with a misguided ''Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles'' title
and the original post kicked off with a misapprehension of Galatians 3:7 and put it to a wrong use when aligned with a teasing and poor taste ''many posters and tithers have deeper understanding of these things better now. . . To be continued in a moment'' remark

How I wish and pray you take to your own words about ''avoid redefinition of words to suit theology'' in your last sentence
You would be a wiser person, taking the right choice, at the right time and still be at God's right side, if you do

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
- 2 Timothy 2:15

2 Timothy 2:15 is referenced above because I want it to be recognised that the bible is a book of divisions
It is a book of divisions because it has different parts for different people, like for the Jew (i.e. Israelites) for the Gentile and to the Church ( i.e. the called out ones)
There are some parts in the bible where it speaks only to the Jew (i.e. Israelites) and it wasnt speaking to the Gentile and vice versa
there are equally some other parts in the bible, where it specifically speaks to the Gentile and it wasn't speaking to the Church etcetera and vice versa

What I am trying to get across here simply is this. Dont covet, ma fejumo oro oloro, especially parts of the Bible, like those something(s) belonging to another
21st century believers have been indoctrinated to covet verses such as like these abandoned tithe or offering principles, like coveting passages not talking to them but was talking to others
Such bad and misled behaviours are damaging and detriment to a believer enjoying fulfilment based on better principles established in charis (i.e. grace), generosity, altruism, agape and others found in Galatian 5:22-23

https://s33.postimg.org/c12yz2wlb/Chris_Jet.gif
I wonder if Pastor Chris Oyakhilome would have arrived London in a private jet, receive red carpet red suited guards of honour presidential welcome at an airport with a rolls royce to pick him up, if the Wright brothers were fantastically bought into the law of gravity eternal principle so much as to refuse appreciating or acknowledging the law of aerodynamics which is not only just another eternal principle but is a better one, taking anyone seizing the opportunity & who doesnt want to remain grounded to heights (no pun was intended)

Dont let your words be too many . I meant to write (TLB) not NLT I wonder why you make a big deal out of just that .

[color=Red]1 Corinthians 16:2(TLB )
On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once .[/color]

Now, you saved your hide by not trying to sought solace or comfort in Acts 24:17

We shall get there . I'm sure by checking the reference "offering " you saw that and you realized you've made a mistake and since you wouldn't want retrieve your "revelation" which means concession,the best thing you probably thought as a way out is to destroy or rubbish the evidence .

Naijaboy007:
I did, and I asked you a simple question which you haven't answered yet

Your answer is that passage from the bible

gabazin080:
New International Version Truly I tell you, this
generation will certainly not
pass away until all these
things have happened.

He we talking about incidences which serves as signs of the end time . Not about the coming of christ itself

Matthew 24:33
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Sarassin:
Simply not true, there's no evidence for this

The explanation was given by no one else but Eusebius, the father of church history, he explains that Paul wrote the epistle in Hebrew, leaving his name off so that it would be read and received more readily by Jews who hated him and would not want to listen to him

thozin:
and so.
the antichrist is not only one demonic personality, but rather anyone who calls
themselves “anointed”.

False sir . We are anointed if we have the holyghost


2 Corinthians 1:21
Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

nenergy:
Matthew 5: 23-24.

"23 Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you.
24 Leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift".

Now, you owe your brother... an unreconciled debt. From that scripture, seems God won't accept your tithe if you still owe your brother.

The verse you quoted has to do with quarrel or misunderstanding . Not about owing your brother

Sarassin:
There is no dispute that the book was “believed” to be a work of Paul, But generally Paul was most careful to identify himself in his writings Paul however did not append his name to the Epistle.
Here are the words of Origen:
"But who wrote the epistle, in truth, God knows. The statement of some who have gone before us is that Clement, bishop of the Romans, wrote the epistle, and of others that Luke, the author of the Gospel and the Acts, wrote it. But let this suffice on these matters".
Eusebius. C.H. Chap 25v14.

The only reason there was dispute of authorship was simply because he didn't append his name as in other books . But it's believed that he did it deliberately so that the Jews who hated him would not reject the writing. Because God had told him the Jews would not accept his (Pauls) testimony of christ .

Peter acknowledged that paul wrote an epistles to the Jews .

2 Peter 3:15-16
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The question is if the book of heberews is not the epistle Peter made reference to then where is the epistle Paul wrote to the Jews . Secondly we can almost lay side by side many of the teachings of the book of Hebrews with other Pauline revelations .

johnydon22:
Does he even know what 'Paul's writing style' is? to start with... He doesn't so don't expect any reasonable objective discussion here.

Oh do you ? kindly tell us about his style .

Sarassin:
No sir. In fact, the writing style is completely different from that of Paul, additionally the leading themes of the letter are absent from all of Paul’s other letters, and the method of argument bears no relation to Paul’s other writings. And why would you think Paul wrote it? Unlike Paul’s own writings, the book of Hebrews is anonymous. There is no reason to think that Paul wrote Hebrews, it was only included in the canon because church fathers argued that it “seemed” like a work Paul could have done.

It's traditionally believed to be Pauls epistle until just end of second century .The Epistle to the Hebrews was included in the collected writings of Paul from a very early date. For example, the late second-century or early third-century codex . Eastern church know the facts . It's only western church that brought about such doubt . The writing style is none other but Pauls . No other apostles wrote that way .

Don't debtors eat? Debt is not end of life. It's still better to owe man than owing God. You pay your tithes on income and recurve grace to pay your debt .

Sarassin:
The identity of the author is lost to antiquity but as you rightly suspect, it is NOT Paul, the Christology of the Epistle to the Hebrews is far above the pay-grade of Paul. More likely the true author was a close adherent or associate of Paul. One school of thought has it that the author could be Clement of Rome, more likely in my view is that the author is Priscilla, the female early church leader, erudite and a close associate of Paul.

It's Paul writing style and revelation.

MuttleyLaff:
Of course
and importantly, the word offering, from Abel to Cain, from Abraham to the Widow at Zarephath, back to back, has always being about or had to do with agricultural produce only

Really ?

1 Corinthians 16:2( NLT)
On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering

No where in the Bible does Jesus or Paul call whatever the believers give offering

Really?

2 Corinthians 9:2
For I know how eager you are to do it, and I have boasted to the friends in Macedonia that you were ready to send an offering a year ago. In fact, it was this enthusiasm of yours that stirred up many of them to begin helping.

Brother ,whatever you offer to God is an offering . Either it's money material , souls, ministry or our lives ,. We should avoid redefinition of words to suit theology .

MuttleyLaff:
Why say wrong?

And what kind of offering is this?
What is this ''whatever-you-offer-God-is-an-offering'' called?

We know that the Israelites, where commanded to give tithe and when, where and if applicable, were explicitly asked to do offering(s)
but nothing of such compulsion is required from believers than to freely give without being under duress

Lets call a spade a spade. Whatever believers ''offer'' is not called offering but is simply called giving or collection

Offering is not connected to isreal . Offering existed before isreal did. The name "offering " alone defines itself except of course you just don't want to accept the reality

Naijaboy007:
Do you actually read buybull or you just nod head to whatever pastor says

Did you read the quotation I posted ?

MuttleyLaff:
Offering was a habitual practice done by the Israelites, it primarily involved agricultural produce (e.g. animal and food) as money was never exchanged except for when it is a trespass offering, and that is where restitution is not only done but includes adding 20% of the ''holy thing's'' or the ''neighbor property's'' original value in silver money for violating it or trespassing against it

That historically in a sentence, is what offering is. Capisce

Wrong

MuttleyLaff:
It was served you as a FYI in order to show that offering is now give, giving or collection

Honestly I had already written about what offering is in one sentence and in more than one ocassion.

Again in God's greater grander or overall scheme of things, believers, rise above with another principle which by no accident is better, higher and worked out in conformity with the purpose of God's plan.

God has simplified things for us now and replaced all those various kinds of offerings practised by the Israelites with single plain outright giving

Jesus, Paul et al, when addressing the people, except for the Pharisees, never encouraged tithing or offering but were always harping on give, giving or collection
They chose their words right and correctly, as they were deliberate and careful not to use words like tithing or offering to the people but instead used give, giving or collection

Man does not do offering as was practised by the Israelites or have to put a name to an offering as was practised by the Israelites
because Man has come of age and so now worships God with à la no frills give, giving or collection only

What is offering .

ShaqFu:
I don't give a rats penis_ who pastor Chris is, I'll have you know. So, if truly you don't publicize 'celebrity' visit, then why the defense?

What defense ?

simplex2:
So if the members didn't die, he is justified for riding his car over them?

It depends on the purpose he want to achieve . Do you have full information on his purpose ? Then you can't judge the matter.

Do you know that attempted murder is a grievious crime with same penalty as murder?

Was there attempted murder ?

Why do I even ask,

ShaqFu:
Oh let's wait and see... But whatever the outcome, the ruse will be to deceive the unsuspecting multitude.

A ministry of high reputation like this does not need the queen presence for publicity. Firstly the venue is already over booked . We only try to cut down attendees . Secondly Pastor christ doesn't use names of celebrities in publicity even if they planned to attend . Many times president Zuma had attended CEC programmes but you will never hear his names announced or picture used in publicity. Many times the First Lady of South Africa had been to lagos for out annual partners conference but we don't boast in such Some churches do though but we don't make such publicity . President obasanjo had attended pastor chris birthday and it's not announced . Sometimes it's only when he acknowledges their presence and they stand up that we even get to know they came . That's who pastor chris is. Even if theirs plan to have the queen there . Except it's an official state visit . We may not know until she stands to be recognized .

Zodiac61:
Once the lie was exposed, Conman Chris had to pretend he did not know what had gone on in his name.
Another liar for Jesus's.

Rather from my post above what he did was a honorable and commendable . If the queen or any leader were coming we don't usually publicise it. For security reasons .

It depends on his last stand with God While he was conscious of himself. If he had received Gods gift of eternal life he goes to heaven but If he wasn't born again he goes to hell for rejecting the gospel of christ .

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

A man cannot be saved by good works.

It's Paul

Naijaboy007:
My b3 was low and no electricity then

Satan's rebellion is one of the greatest lie of the buybull

According to the buybllYahweh is a self righteous, self acclaimed perfectionist and he created Angels without a conscious mind, i.e they can't act on their own they only follow yahweh's instructions.

Where in the bible did you get such idea?

Now where did lucifer a being who can't act on his own get the idea of rebellion from

Angels and created being have ability to their will but they are under command to serve God only . They are not robots.

Isaiah 14:12-14
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

MuttleyLaff:
Now, go ahead and tell me I havent already given the low-down on offering, the various kinds etcetera.
Though you prevaricate, duck and dive when asked pointed questions, you can redeem yourself by finding out what an offering is, answer the pointed questions asked you from going back to:
https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/32#46256384

I didn't ask what kinds of offerings . In one sentence ,what is an offering. Honestly shouldn't have any problem to answer in one sentence .

@op try Give full story ,firstly what's the purpose behind it? Was he having fun or he was illustrating something to them ? If he was demonstrating the power of God protection to them . Question ,was any wounded Or killed? If the answer is no. That means his demonstration or illustration was successful . Then he should be commended .

@op try Give full story ,firstly what's the purpose behind it? Was he having fun or he was illustrating something to them ? What If he was demonstrating the power of God protection to them ? Question ,was any hurt, wounded Or killed? If the answer is no. That means his demonstration or illustration was successful . Then he should be commended .

MuttleyLaff:
Offering as was practised by the Israelites involved agricultural produce e.g. animal and food. Money didnt exchanged hands except only and particularly with trespass offering

WHAT IS AN OFFERING

Makweembo:
What is OFN award?

under yaradua administration the government gave him the highest national honour award of Grand Commander of Order of the Niger (GCON) for his efforts to improve Nigeria’s image and alleviate the people’s sufferings in various ways. however he didn't go but sent his wife to receive it

Makweembo:
Why is it that government officials of other African countries honor this man for who he is, but not our own?

But Nigerian government once gave him OFN award and honor .

hahn:
What is the point of giving us free will if everything is it's will? That means me insulting it is part of it's "divine" will and not necessarily of my free will

he already teaches us against curses . so it can't be his will. thats why he gave us his law and his word to learn and do.

An ALL-FORGIVING entity doesn't need to be asked for forgiveness. Besides, it also claims to have UNCONDITIONAL love. In that case it doesn't need any condition, asking for forgiveness on satan's part or worshiping it on the part of humans, to forgive or love.

if you discipline your child is that hatred or love.

Proverbs 16:9

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

This verse obviously states that we DO NOT have free will because everything that happens is god's will.

what it means is that when you make right decisions he establishes it.

Praying is good , but medical option shouldn't be denied . Nobody has right to deny another person medical treatment .

Why do you drive private cars? Why don't you take public transport . Anyone who can afford a mode of transport should be free to get one if there is a need for such.