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Ranchhoddas:
It's not a choice if there's something attached, in this case heaven and hell.

Ranchhoddas:
So why punish people for exercising their freewill? Giving people freewill and telling them how to use it is not really freewill now is it?

hahn:
If god is all knowing, why did it bother creating satan when it knew satan would eventually rebel?

If god is all forgiving, why didn't it just simply forgive satan instead of keeping malice for more than 5 billion years?

If god can perform miracles, why didn't it just touch satan's heart and let him become good?

MuttleyLaff:
It doesnt matter now if we are Israelites or we are Gentiles


Nowhere!.
That there, smack on, is the point
It doesnt anywhere say believers should give offerings, just as it neither anywhere says believers should should pay tithe

As is seen in 2 Corinthians 8:12 & 2 Corinthians 9:7, believers have moved on past tithe and offering, to better eternal principles

2 Corinthians 8:12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have
2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give whatever you have decided. You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver

omotroyz:
well you are very free to join any religion that feels right to u.
why I stop being a Christian?
1. it doesn't feel right to me.
2. the dogma is just too much.
3. it inculcate fear into its member.
4. out of more than 11,000 religions in the world, it claims to be it only true religion.
I had to switch to something more comforting. Wicca.

Image123:
Actually that is the common case, display of power and signs to entice and ensnare. People keep going for months and years without tangible spiritual progress or transformation in their lives.

Slikbae:
you are well known for interpreting verses out of context.

kindly show me where it is written in your bible. it seems to be omitted from mine.

Topgainer:
Do you think you know much aside the grammer and the bible passages you force to fit into your world of fantasy? Do you know any other thing aside the repetitive contents of ROR written by your anointed Pastor Chris and formerly Pastor Anita(now a she -devil as most of your people named her)?
Few questions I asked Love world fanatics about your predilection for worldliness, and its relationship to the gospel of Christ were never answered. Instead, your thugs keep posting pictures of the man they worship all over the place.
Asking you questions will expose you the more and you cannot defend most of the things you do at Christ Embassy from the Scripture.

Confuse your sheeple with grammer, entice them with promise of becoming rich, coerce them to give all they have for the spread of the 'gospel'. They are the people who need to ask you questions
The only reason I engage you sometimes is that I presume you love God but are a victim of circumstance by your upbringing in the largely perverted new order religious organizations

brocab:
A good question to put across, Are we Israelites or are we Gentiles? And where in the bible does it say Christians are to tithe?

Nkematics:
Now, let us assume that tithing is still necessary, CAN ANYONE TELL US WHERE MONEY IS MENTIONED AS A "TITHABLE" ITEM IN THE BIBLE? Deu 14:22 and Leviticus 27:30 clearly tells us that only the fruits of the land or agricultural products were accepted as tithes. Most of modern day preachers deceive us by saying that in the old testament days, people were not earning money and that was why God did not include money as something to tithe. No way! You would be wrong if you think so. When you read 2 Chronicles 24:11-14, 2 Kings 12:11, 2 Kings 22:4-6 and Ezra 3:7, you would see that there were Carpenters, Stone cutters, Masons, etc who were paid for their services in money. We should also accept that there were fisher men then and other forms of trade. So can someone answer this question: WHY DID GOD NOT TELL THOSE PEOPLE TO TITHE THE MONEY THEY EARNED?

My brethren, let us be careful to preach the gospel of salvation to all mankind as something obtainable in grace and not through the works of the law. Let us not put men in bondage by forcing them to live by the law just because we are more interested in enriching ourselves through their tithe. Apostle Paul was a tent maker (Acts 18: 3) even as he was preaching, because he did not want to put burden on believers to supply his needs ( 1 Thes 2:9). Anybody that says he is an Apostle, Pastor, etc should be wise to emulate their early church predecessors: Apostle Paul, etc.

hahn:
It gave will power but everything that happens is it's will?

A loving god will create only good.

A psychopathic god will create evil then create humans in evil and then send them to hell for indulging in what it created

Naijaboy007:
To all the jews, christians, and muslims please what crimes did satan commit that you guys are always blaming him. According to your books satan only wanted humans to be knowledgeable like god

Genesis: 3.
1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. -


So once again what crimes did satan commits

Image123:
Like you just said, critics hardly read. You didn't read me say they are wrong for "not telling you of your dire need of the Saviour Jesus Christ?, not talking of the need for you to repent and come out of your sins, into full salvation and dedication to your Creator. " What doctrine and statement of faith are you looking for again when these basic essential is missing?

paulGrundy:
Am not jwfacts.com paul Grundy, I just used his name as a monicker on nairaland so that I can promote his articles. Am not Yooguyz either.

hahn:
Satan. The perfect excuse for god's incompetence.
What was god thinking when it created Satan? Didn't it know he would ruin the earth?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Your god is responsible for evil. It said so itself in it's "holy" book

dankol:
Chai... Bro.. what if he had died... Many of you here will go and given testimony in church about one sturborn athesit who had been drawing men away from the kingdom on nairaland and begin to sound note of warning to others to desist or end up like him just as it is done with deedat.

hahn:
Still, why isn't god doing anything about all the 21,000 children that die around the world. Check the post where I mentioned you and kindly share your opinion.

hahn:
Hmm interesting. That is inspiring.

The only problem with religious claims is that no one else is ever there to verify and ALL religions have similar testimonies.

Slikbae:
No Nation shall defeat Israel

hahn:
Please give proof.

MuttleyLaff:
Feign ignorance on what does Deuteronomy 14:24-26 say for as long as you like.
but why arent I not surprised thsat again you're not answering the question(s)
SMH LOL, first, you're demostrating biblical illiteracy on the subject of tithing, if you are connecting the phrase ''Abraham is father of faith'' with tithing.
The long and the short of ''Abraham is father of faith'' has nothing whatsoever to do with tithing
SMH, ''Abraham is father of faith, who's faith we follow'' you say, OK Abraham's faith in what gangan are you following?
This is very interesting, because tithing was a practice common and prevalent in the society Abraham lived then, even as a matter of tithing existed or was practised earlier than when Abraham first and only one time tithed
Even if what you say is true, it then begs the question, why didnt Abraham continue tithing? Why didnt Abraham tithe more than once?
Never mind if it is strange to you, because it doesnt matter as by your own admission you arent practising the Israelites
The Abraham tithing one you are doing you arent even following it to the letter
That is besides the point except if you accept that there is a 20% penalty or surcharge to the original value
Had to go to great lengths to tease out of you that you are practising the Abraham 10% tithing and not practising the Israelites 23 two-third% whole tithing
Now you would now appreciate the probing questions asked you, were done, in order to set boundaries, to establish what form of tithing or whose form of tithing you are practising
It is evident that what you are practising is a hotchpotch and nothing close to the Abraham style or type of tithing you declared doing
SMH. Why don't I just altogether drop everything I am doing to kindly quote them out for all to read!
Or maybe I can read it out at bed time
Re-read the post all over again. It's quoted in it. Done already but then pretend again as much as you like
You obviously are one with an averse to receiving too much information or data.
You cant, at a go, handle a lot of information or questioning, (e.g. apart from the facts in Numbers 18:24 and/or from Deuteronomy 8:17-18. why did the Israelites have to tithe? Did Jacob tithe? Why didnt Jacob tithe? etcetera) which is why I've had to resort to holding back
and be biding jumping moment in this Double Dutch (jump rope)

Amberon11:
A couple months ago, a video was posted here of how a dead child was raised by a renounced pastor. Did you post that? or you simply labelled it as false, unverifiable information?? Yes!,while there are few cases like this, our Lord Jesus has proved and is still proving himself with diverse signs, wonders and miracles all around the globe.

Rilwayne001:
It seems you don't get my question.

I am not asking whether his domain was on earth or in heaven. My point why was he (lucifer) the ruler of earth in the first place? Did God actually appointed him as the ruler of the old earth?

Rilwayne001:
I can't find to the answer to my question in this. Can you point it out

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High

Anas09:
Pls pass the word to pass Chris not to let mama go home without giving her life to christ. .

paulGrundy:
^^^ I don't think you took your time to read his post, you guys are basically saying the same thing.

Topgainer:
Is this what you teach your congregation? This is damn serious
Let me educate you a little.
Jesus said "no man which shall do miracle in my name" now what do you take "in my name" to be? Some one saying the name Jesus while he/she performs his/her tricks
A wore shouting Oh my Gad while on action, a man about to dupe another first introducing himself as a Pastor and calling the name of Jesus several times, or another sweet talking robber saying God bless you, bless you sister, bless you brother to his victim. A Pastor/ Prophet with all occultic symbols in his altar ranging from red, black, purple candles, a signet, 8 crested cross, a bowl of water fetched from a lake at midnight, incense, assorted occult perfumes, branded Bibles and books of Psalms, different colour of gowns for specific ministration, ranging from Black gown, red gown, purple gown, Navy blue gown and more important to them, white gown. He summarizes his activities and powerful ministration with the name of Jesus.
Are we also talking about inspirational talkers, kingdom economists they call themselves and all those who teach as commandments the doctrine of men which they cap with the name of Jesus. And also obtaining huge sums of money from their followers by false pretence- New world order


Can I also tell you that the Freemasons call the name of Jesus, do you at any point consider that there could be other Jesus out there and that an unrepentant trick star could perform his tricks with or without mentioning any name and still have results?
Jesus is addressing segregation/copyright/authority/approval in those verses especially within the confines of godliness and holiness

"We introduce a way of doing things, we claim copyright to it another somewhere who we did not mentor directly is doing the things the same way as we, with similar result. We become angry and begin to question the authenticity of their claims since they have not learnt directly from us"
That is simply what Jesus is addressing there. It was never about a lawless man, unrepentant in his deeds with no fruits worthy of emulation but yet captivates his audience with staged works and devil inspired tricks, of course, capping it with the name Jesus. Even Satan acknowledges Jesus as King but does that stop him from telling people bad things about Jesus giving reasons why the ways of Jesus should not be followed?
To your second quotation "Jesus is Lord" it is never to be taken literally.
If you tell your sheep to follow any man that comes their way shouting Jesus is Lord today, be rest assured very many of them will be led straight to Devil's slaughter house
Gifts does not approve any man as God's. Some people were born with mind blowing gifts, abilities and talents which none the less are blessings from God just like His "rain and sun" comes to both the wicked and the righteous
To be Continued...

Rilwayne001:
. However if actually you are right, why was he (lucifer) the ruler of earth in the first place? Did God actually appointed him as the ruler of the old earth?

Ranchhoddas:
So who are the mansions being built for if the earth is where man is going to reside?

MuttleyLaff:
I am not mixing two issues together. Far from it,
What I did was, moved on, gone ahead and straightforwardly ask you a simple question that when do you apply Deuteronomy 14:24-26
Have you at any time in past, applied Deuteronomy 14:24-26 or do in the soon or later future intend applying Deuteronomy 14:24-26?

You wouldnt be writing this short story, if you had answered: Are you practising the Abraham 10% tithing or you're practising the Israelites 23 two-third% whole tithing?

The point is, you are fanatical about believing that every Biblical times Israelite paid tithe, when the fact of the matter is that, not all Israelites tithed. Income or wages earners did not tithe [quote]Tithe is for everyone who earned. I've showed you money was involved

[quote]For example, hired hands or farm labourers working on Israelite farmlands did not tithe. The farm owner tithes but not the hired hands, because there is no command demanding a tenth of the farm labourer wages

30“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
31If you want to buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
32Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

I've come to realise you that you're prone to parrying probing questions without responding to them or without answering them.
In spite of that, please reflect deeply on Leviticus 27:30-32 above, then be sincere and honest with yourself when checking whether what you practise as tithing at all resembles Leviticus 27:30-32