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Demain_man:
This is what you pastors should preach it to your flock. 'FREEWILL GIVING'. Whatever each person desires in their heart. You can add all those Abraham, Jacob instances if you like.

''Pay your tithe or God will punish you if u don't''

It is wrong to threaten anybody with tithe, it's not by force. God does not punish anyone for not tithing. The only issue is, every practise of the word of God carry a grace., if you do them the grace that is connected to such abounds, if you don't do it , you miss out of the grace such obedience carry. God is not punishing you . It's just like prayer. It's necessary but Mot by force. If you pray, you partake of it's benefit , if you don't , you miss out of it's benefit. Same thing goes for tithing.

KunleOshob:
^^^
Joagbaje is lieing above, he not a tither rather he is a tithe collector. That is the kind of statement all these false teachers make to manipulate their deluded followers to part with not just a tenth of their income but as much as is even "impossible" for them to give.

. . If I say I'm tither , you should take it that I'm a tither . You have. No right to say I'm not. Stop talking like a poverty stricken man

2 Peter 1:3-4
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

God has positioned you for glory. To live the transcendent and glory-life He has called you to and positioned you for, your outlook on life must be from the perspective of His Word. You must live in the light of His Word and cease to observe situations like an ordinary man.

God has already done all that’s necessary for you to experience His glory here in the earth. But sadly, many Christians still make the mistake of waiting for Him to do something about their situation. Some even say they’re waiting for Him to take them to the Promised Land – that good and prosperous place, flowing with milk and honey. What such folks haven’t realized is that in the mind of God they’re already in the Promised Land! They got there the moment they were born again. In other words, they are already positioned in the best place they could ever be, having already come on to Mount Zion (Hebrews 12:22).

Observe again these inspiring words from our opening scripture: According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue. This is not a promise, but a statement of fact; a present-hour reality. You received the life and nature of God the moment you were born again and immediately, you were positioned for the transcendent life of glory. Everything you require to live to the full has already been granted you.

So when God looks at you He doesn’t see a weakling who’s struggling to make it through life. Rather, He sees one who is more than a conqueror; who’s been endued with dynamic ability to effect changes in the circumstances of life.

Sickness, poverty, defeat and failure are unnatural to the child of God. Ordinary men may be susceptible to all these influences, but you have been positioned for the glory-life, a life of victory through the Word.

Prayer
Dear Father, I thank you for positioning me for the glory-life, and granting me everything I need to excel and live victoriously in the earth to the glory of your Name. By living according to the revelation of your Word today, I’m lifted above this world and the decadence therein, into the realm of glory that you planned for me from the foundation of the world, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
Ephesians 2:10 AMP
For we are God's [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live].b

Creation was cursed.

Romans 8:19-23
19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

When creation is fully redeemed , it's only the serpent that will still remain under the curse.

^^
it can only be misleading to those who have been mislead. If you know the work of the church on the earth  And the power of the prayers of the saints you'll see that responsibility lies on the church to restrain evil , to enforce peace to build Gods kingdom . Cause the knowledge of God to florish in the hearts of people. 

1 Timothy 2:1-2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions,[ and] giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and[ for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

 Its the church God is using to put the enemies under foot.

Romans 8:19-23
19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

ogoamaka99:
@kunleoshob & co,
As you an enemy of the truth I don’t need to go on arguing with you. Moreover you don’t have new thing to offer as you expect me to begin to repeat myself over and over again. Tithe as a covenant obligation started before the nation of Israel came into existence. So whatever our covenant fathers said about tithe is the true meaning of tithe. TITHE AS PAID BY OUR COVENANT FATHERS WAS TO EXPRESS THEIR TRUST, DEPENDENCE AND APPRECIATION TO GOD FOR GIVING THEM THE RESOURCES UPON WHICH THEY PAID TITHE FROM.

I don't even think the reason for tithing should be an issue. Some have said if we must tithe then we should follow the law to the letter or follow Abraham to the letter. There is no law for the Christian , whatever we give to God is of faith. Abraham had his reason, Jacob had his reason according to their faith.the major thing is for us to recognise the institution tithing and not the reason people give, These are demonstrations of faith of these individuals in the principles of God. And the principles of God are universal.

Let's take firstfruit for example. Some people have said here that if we must give first fruit we must do it like the Israelites , and the reason since God connected their first fruit to escape from Egypt etc . But spiritually that's not the point . Jacob was the first person to give first fruit , and he didn't escape from any Egypt. These are principles in God which are universal and witnessed in our hearts. The reason Jacob gave first fruit does not have to be the reason the Jews gave first fruit, but the major thing to recognise is the principle which is of faith.  Abraham reason for tithing , is not Jacob reason for tithing and it's not the reason the law gave, I don't give ten percent ? I give twenty percent sometimes more . There have been occasion the spirit of God led me to give all as tithe. And the results have been time ten harvest.  But that is me . Others functioned by their faith and revelation.what is importamt is the recongition of the principles but We must not follow to the letter the manner with which others did it.

A man once sent his daughter to go and work in Gods house for one full year after graduating in school, saying his first child should work for god first before working any where else. It's his revelation. When I was about 10 to 12 years old  , my mum always go to church to clean toilets (pit latrine ).   I Always supply her water from the Well with bucket.and each time I hear her pray to God saying " lord, Im doing this for my children, don't let them suffer" . It was her faith and her revelation. We can't say she must follow the levitical way of temple  cleaning. 

Principles of God are universal. It is recorded that people In the orient practise tithing, and first fruits also has been a universal practice, that's why someone that gets a job takes the first salary to the parents in the village. Because the principles of God are universal.

garyarnold:
Joagbaje said, "No evidence could be more clearer than this. That the church of christ has replaced the levitical system."

Read Hebrews 7.

The Levitical priesthood was DISANNULLED. In other words, it is treated as though there never was a Levitical priesthood.

Hebrews 7:11 (KJV) "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?"

Hebrews 7:11 is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that Jesus came AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISEKEC and NOT after the order of Aaron. THAT, my friend, is perfectly clear EVIDENCE that you are mistaken.

The point I was trying to make is that paul likened the support for full time ministers to the welfare support of priests under the levitical order. And the primary source of welfare for them was in tithes and offerings. So it is proper to give tithes and offering in church. Another thing to note is that tithes and offering came before the law. You can't say I will give only offerings but I won't give tithe. It is funny.

The church didn't do right, they dishonoured the king . It's against the word of God. 

1 Peter 2:17
17 Honour all[ men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. 

If they feel the thanksgiving may bring politics into the church and they don't want to be partisans , they ought to have simply written him a letter and advise him to postpone the thanksgiving till court lifts the injunction. Their action rather made them partisan in politics as though they belong to opposition camp. After all there was no riot in the other church the king went to. And as the king said there was never a protest or riot at any time. 
 But the king also has no right to close a church , nobody has right to close a church , it's abuse of office.

nuella2:
The story about Lazarus was not a parable, it was a real incidence.

nuclearboy:
@Aunty Nuella:
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Lazarus was REAL?   Please tell us when he lived and where?

e36991:
@nuella2
Hope you arent mixing this Lazarus with the other Lazarus (i.e. Mary and Martha's brother) ooo
The former is a parable and the latter, sure was a real incidence

There were two different lazaruses, they are not thesame. But nuella was right , the two stories of the lazaruses are not parables, but real incidences. If it were a parable Jesus would have said " . . And the kingdom of heaven is like. . . Or likened to. . .

KunleOshob:
And some pastors are a combination of a good number of these negative values!
@joagbaje
Considering the above, which kind of pastor would you say you are?

When you stop shoving handouts down the throats of your students by force to make ends meet, I will consider if there's an answer to your question

@ogoamaka.
Thank you for those wonderful posts, they are very enlightening .

Ephesians 4:6 AMP
There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. One God and Father of us all, Who is above all Sovereign over all, pervading all and living in us all

God is sovereign! He knows all things and can do all things! The Bible says:. . . heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool (Acts 7:49). He’s the Most High God and His dominion is over all thrones, peoples, and governments. In Daniel 5:21, He’s described as the Supreme God who controls all human kingdoms (GNB).

God is big! He’s Deity, and you can’t miss His sovereignty whenever He talks about Himself:

“Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: When I call unto them, they stand up together” (Isaiah 48:13).

Many however, have wondered why God, in His sovereignty, hasn’t put an end to all the evil in the world. They wonder why wars and natural disasters still happen, when God in one instant, could simply put an end to them. But those who ask such questions don’t understand who God is and how He operates.

Though God is sovereign, He’s set principles in place to govern the earth. He’s not subject to those principles, but He doesn’t violate them either. So, though He created the world, He’s not the one running the show, because He already gave man the whole earth to dominate (Genesis 1:28). Man lost this authority to the devil, who subsequently introduced an evil system that put the world in a mess.

But there’s now another system in the world headed by the Lord Jesus Christ! This system is made up of us who are born again – associates of the God-kind – through whom God exercises His sovereignty in the earth. Thus, we're God’s agents of peace, prosperity, healing and salvation in a dying world. Just as the Lord sent Peter to preach to the Roman centurion and didn’t do it himself, He has commissioned us to exercise His sovereignty in our world. He wants to run the world through you!

Prayer
Dear Father, I thank you for the opportunity to hear your Word and be taught by you. Thank you for the authority you’ve given me to exercise dominion in the earth, and tame my world to conform to your eternal purposes, will and counsel, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
1 Timothy 6:15-16
Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Psalms 115:16
The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

È méta

@Image 123

Image123:
@JoagbajeHow convenient of you? get back to topic, that's the escape right? i thought the OP had been answered. It;s your answers we're awaiting. i know you'll ask as usual, "what questions?" delay tactics, thumbs up and be good this week.
gain? And i do hope you are born again?

I have given you enough  evidence from scriptures, bros. Jesus was the first man to be born again . He is the first fruit among many brethren. No man had the grace of born again until his resurrection. And I think you should go over my posts again. And see the consistency with other scriptures.
Hapi Sunday   

Luke 4:18
18-"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me; he has appointed me to preach Good News to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted and to announce that captives shall be released and the blind shall see, that the downtrodden shall be freed from their oppressors, and that God is ready to give blessings to all who come to him."

There is no prosperity gospel. The gospel is a gospel of prosperity. Prosperity is not about money, it's a total Package of a life of dominion in christ, over sin, demons,sickness, death and poverty. It's a life of completeness. That's what the gospel brought. Finance is only a little part. Divine Health is prosperity . Success in life is prosperity. God didn't create anyone a failure. Most religious people see money as prosperity as Money. Money is only a small part.

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. 

 The reason a chritian should have money is to serve God with it and be a blessing to others. It is not the idea of drinking tea with golden cup. Prosperty and wealth for the Christian is different from materialism. Even though you can get anything you want by faith, it's not everything we go for.

  1 Corinthians 6:12
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

There is no such thing as the word of faith movement. The spoken word of God is word of faith

Romans 10:8
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee,[ even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

 1 Timothy 4:6
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good [/b]doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

It is religious sceptics that coined the movement part for those who teach this truth.  The word of God is the word of faith. Word of faith means to speak faith filled words. Using the instrumentality of the word of God by faith .

We Got saved by making a confession by word of faith

 [b]Romans 10:10
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made [/b]unto salvation.

[b] 2 Corinthians 4:13
13* We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

So word of faith is simply the use of faith filled words. Jesus said a man can speak to a mountain by faith . Those who don't understand it labeled it as a movement because the church walked in darkness of this truth for several until awareness of it came alive again. But it has always been in the word of God. We change situations by speaking faith filled words.

Has it reached this level of quarrel, in the name of Jesus    When did the apostles get born again? Pls let's get back to topic.

garyarnold:
were the Levites stealing from God?
Of course not.  God GAVE HIS TITHE TO THE LEVITES, FOREVER, AS THEIR INHERITANCE (Numbers 18).
Do pastors today claim THEY now have a right to that inheritance?

They gave their thites to God, "ye rob ME". .  The Levites only received it and administer it. Thesame goes for ministers. Today. Were there Levites in the days of Abraham? . The levitical system was only for the Jews. Thiting was instituted before the emergence of Levites. God  forbade them from working so that they can take care of things of worship in the house of God.

Today there are some ministers also that God called into full time ministry, and they ought to be supported because God didn't allow them to work. Some were instructed to resign from lucrative jobs and go full time . We also have lay pastors that do businesses or whiter collar jobs , but such are not supported from the church, they rather put money into the church. But those who are into full time are supported from the church with allowances or salaries.

  1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live[ of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 

No evidence could be more clearer than this. That the church of christ has replaced the levitical system.

garyarnold:
Since the tithe belongs to God, if your pastor accepts it isn't he stealing it from God?

were the Levites stealing from God?

I don't keep all my money. I give far more than a mere tenth of my income.

fantastic, this has been my point. The tithe is the least of our givings. Why break heads over it. We give vehicles and lands to God. Why will a mere tenth which is so minute be a scam.

^^^^^
did ogoamaka tell you he is a CEC member?

LoveKing:
when you become born again, like you repent of what you are doing, why does the mind just change? is it spiritual or mental?

I don't know if I get you right . If you are wondering what makes a Christian live right. The answer is the holyghost. The ability to do right and to please God is imparted at salvation.

John 1:12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,[ even] to them that believe on his name:

Demain_man:
Modern day tithers are fools.

If you call those who gave 10% fools , what do you call those who gave all to God?

Image123:
How one refers to me as 'bro' and 'pretender' in the same line astonishes me ehn nuella and Jo. Hear again. If you claim that others have a faulty foundation and therefore weak structure, then i'm asking. You who supposedly has the 'right' foundation and doctrine of salvation, why is it COMMONLY REPORTED that (sorry to say) most members of this your belief struggle with BASE sins like immorality, lasciviousness, idolatry, emulations, variance, heresies and such like? Why is it so common among you. Meanwhile, others with a differing foundation have passed that class, as it were. Where are your fruits, i ask.

Your assertion if false. Some few members may have done some things wrong. It happens in Every church. Of course the media will gladly jump on any CEC case to make loud noise, simply because we don't allow them to feed on us, we don't grant them interviews. So they are mad at us. Don't you have members of your church in police custody? Or prison?the more impact you make , the more the devil jump on your case.  

There is no 100% perfect congregation . Jesus didn't have 100%. He even had a thief as financial secretary. You don't judge a church because some members did wrong, you judge by the doctrine that is taught.You that have abusive tongue and the man that stole  are all in thesame class! Have you ever heard pastor chris insult any minister on tv or print media as Some other ministers do? Never. It's based on spiritual maturity and respect for the body of christ.

I think you should start learning from that.  Whatever you do to a Christian , you've done it to christ . The maturity of a Christian shows first in your tongue . The respect you have for Jesus should show in your love life. Paul said some of you are sick and some died because of their lack of love toward other Christians , not discerning the body of christ. It's you guys that speaks corrupt, vile ,abusive,insultive, dirty,words that are unbecoming of a Christian.

1 Corinthians 11:30
30 That is why many of you are weak and sick, and some have even died. 

 1 Peter 3:10
10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: 

^^^^^
it's used in generic terms. It's just like like making references to man as a soul. Animals were called souls too. The words of Jesus were clear enough.

John 14:17
17[ Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and [b]shall be in you.
 
[b]John 7:39
39( But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet[ given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) 

@enigma

Abraham believed (had faith in) God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Because Abraham believed God, he lived according to God's instructions. It is important also to note that God called Abraham.

OK spring forward to the New Testament: Christians claim imputed righteousness through Christ. How? By faith (i.e. believing) in Christ and living according to His instructions (bringing forth fruit).

There is a difference between God reckoning righteousness into a mans account and when a man becomes "righteousness" itself . We are "the righteousness of God in  christ" Well we should not derail the thread into another topic. We are dealing with being born again.

The relevance to this topic is this: at the point that Abraham started to believe in God and to live according to His instructions, we can confirm with certainty that he was born again.

The definition of "born again" is an issue here . To be born again is not to choose a lifestyle or just believing. Being born again is to have a new nature and life in the human spirit. From the  time of Adam man had become dead in his spirit.

  The believing of Abraham did not change the sin nature.All became dead through Adam hence There was need for another Adam. Christ was the second Adam through whom the new creation was given birth to. He had to defeat the devil and take away the sin nature of man. The new testament gave birth to the new creation. Every man had been paid for by Jesus blood. The nature and life of God is now inside the man. That is what it means to be born again. 

Jesus is the only one with eternal life. When he enters a man. Automatically the man become a partaker of the heavenly life . Mattew , mark ,luke and john, were called new testament. But the books are not revelation of the new testament bevause Jesus had not died  . The new testament starts with acts of the apostles

Man is a spirit , this spirit of man which became dead through Adams sin had to be recreated. David himself recognised he wasn't re rested yet and he prophesied about the church.
 
Psalms 102:18
18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the Lord.

 2 Corinthians 5:17
17 Therefore if any man[ be] in Christ,[ he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This new man is the borning again. The resurrection of christ gave birth to him and to the Old testament saints. They all got born again in christ.

Another thing to note is the fact that nobody could recieve the holy spirit on the inside under the Old testament . The holy spirit came on people , they did mighty things but he couldn't dwell in them. Because their spirit were not recreated yet. They still had adamic fallen nature. The same thing happened to the apostles . They healed the sick and cast out devils just like the Old testament saints, but the holy spirit could not dwell in them  .
 
John 14:17
17[ Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with [b]you, and [b]shall be in you.
 
John 7:39
39( But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet[ given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) 

The confusion for some is New Testament language that a person in Christ is a new creation; this is a biblical truth. However, the WoF people stretch and twist this beyond its intent and remit! Of course, a person whose heart turns from sin and towards God and who lives according to God's power and spirit is a new person; a changed person, a new creation.

Let's not get into this Wof idea, I see it as a weak defence. let's make bible our references. There is no wof doctrine, and I am quoting scriptures, since we all agree on the authority of the bible,  let's lay aside catholic doctrine, wof doctrine etc.

Why were the Old testament saints not able to go to heaven? They still had the corrupt nature in their spirit. They looked forward to the redemption. Because the were kept in hell waiting for their redemption.

Acts 2:25-28
25 For David speaketh concerning him. . .  26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell. .

John 8:56
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw[ it], and was glad. 

^^^^
John 20:20-22
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them[ his] hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace[ be] unto you: as[ my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on[ them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

This incidence took place 2 weeks before the pentecost or so, It is believed that this was when they got born again. Remember we were baptised by the holygost into the body of christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body. . . .

Image123:
@Joagbaje and co
What's the point claiming the correct knowledge of the doctrine of salvation when we don't see the salvation in you(your members esp)? You're so right, so sure, your theology makes sense, yet no fruit of genuine salvation. What we see is struggling with base sins like immorality, lasciviousness, strife, variance and such like and hiding it under the guise of mistake. Meanwhile those you claim not to have this special revelations have passed this stage. Jesus said by their fruits you will know them. The fruits are speaking daily.

Go and sit down and study you bible well dear. I know it will soon end in personal attack when you guys get stuck in your blind argument. The bible is clear on The topic but your pride won't allow you to admit. Who is committing sin between me and you? Who is striving? Who is abusive , who is showing lack of fruits of the spirit? Is it not you guys.
Unbelievers don't even display foul , dirty and corrupt speeches you guys hypocritically display.

KunleOshob:
@garyarnold
The book you mentioned is been written by baptist theologians revealing the biblical truth on tithing; when ezactly would it be published and how can we get copies in Nigeria? I would like to buy a good number of copies to distribute to friends and family who are still under this evil yoke of false tithing. I also thing the book is a very good idea as it would help set a lot of people free from bondage even though it could spoil business for the likes of image123 and uncle joe.

You can't spoil business for me so long as I'm a tither and giver. The devourer is rebuked for my sake, and money runs after me in all I lay my hand to do. From all over the world. The day you start opening your hands to give , you will begin to see what I'm talking about.

noetic16:
This thread displays a shallow understanding of God.
God is love but God did NOT forgive the devil or fallen angels. . . .neither did He forgive the Nephilim for their existence.

If they had asked for it, they would have recieved . Is there evidence that they asked for forgives?

JeSoul:
when was the last time you sent an angel on an errand?

When you speak the word of God, angels act on them.

@love king
These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, and flatter people in order to take advantage of them.

The scripture you quoted seem to be talking to you. .

@UcheQ

uche13:
@JOAGBAJIE
You are really incorrigible. When will you stop stupidly quoting scriptures out of context. So in your learned position since we are ignorant, a man cannot go to hell if he deviates while fulfilling the ministry God has given to him because Gods gifts are without repentance. Who said Gods gift will take someone to hell , a man will go straight to HELL if he misses it while 'fulfilling his call" why do you think paul said in 1cor9:27", lest when i have preached to others, i myself will be a cast away". So u prefer him to have been smiling, preaching and doing plenty activities to please your type when he knows he has some issues to settle within himself. For example, if a doctor who  is called to take care of the sick gets ill too, what does he do? he simply takes sometime off , treat himself and then come back better  in order to treat others. Does he stay put in his job attempting to treat others when he knows that he is not ok.How can he function effectively without getting healed himself. Please read the post again, the man is not running away but has decided to take sometime off. If he complained of being tired, discouraged etc then your argument would have sufficed rather this blessed gentleman wants to do some spiritual checks and balances and u r complaining. After this, am sure he will return stronger and better.

My own is . A man doesn't run away just because of people. It's part of the training. Jesus fame went every where. But responsibility is laid on him , he didn't  abandon ministry. A minister has to be tough. He may take time out to pray etc but the assignment should be more important that feelings. Was he more popular than Jesus? Jesus became so popular that they wanted to make him king. 

John 6:15
15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

It only made him pray more and intensified his work. The assignment is more than emotion. This "HUMILITY" is now getting more attention ,and nothing has changed.