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Christianity EtcRe: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by Joagbaje(m): 9:16am On Feb 15, 2011
It is not a must for every christian to be rich, but at least they should know what belongs to them. If they choose to remain in poverty fine.  But they should have awareness of their rights. But Gods word is clear, he is not against our prosperity, but he is against the in ability to give, a covetous man is the man that doesn't give. We are givers , we live by giving. As we give we increase , we give yet more and increase more and more. That is what it means to be rich towards God. A man that has and refuse to give and share is covetous because his riches is only for himself. He is not rich towards God

Luke 12:21
21 So[ is] he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.


The poverty gospel is not humility . It's a lie of Satan to cripple the body of christ from impacting the world.
Christianity EtcRe: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by Joagbaje(m): 8:48am On Feb 15, 2011
@ Mabel,
It's so amazing reading some posts on this site. How much ignorance of the GOODNEWS on rampage.

1 Timothy 6:17-18
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 


 There is a difference between having money, and having the love of money. Prosperity is beyond money, but money is a vital part of it. Money is used to serve God and touch lives. We ought to make money and give it to serve God. He only want us not to be carried away by wealth.

The highlighted parts above should be noted. God is not against our wellbeing, he is against us being distracted by them .

Psalms 30:6
6 And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved. 


It is false to teach poverty to Gods people. This false humility has made many Christian unproductive in life. I know how many people that are on my scholarship, how many bibles I have given out how many I have empowered to start business. Others have probably done more that . If you don't have it you can't give it. God wants us to be rich.

Psalm 35:27
27 . . , ,Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant. 
Christianity EtcRe: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by Joagbaje(m): 11:20pm On Feb 14, 2011
nuella2:
Jesus became poor for a reason, it is only people that preach false gospel that preach against the properity of the christian.
2 Cor 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
KJV
Jesus was rich but became poor for my sake, so i could be rich. Any gospel outside this is false.
My sister, Many religiously follow a false gospel  with false humility. Whoever drives a car, eat good food, and comes out to condemn the prosperity of Gods children is a religious hypocrite. 

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Psalms 35:27
27 . . , ,Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant. 

Genesis 39:23
23 The keeper of the prison looked not to any thing[ that was] under his hand; because the Lord was with him, and[ that] which he did, the LORD made[ it] to prosper. 

Deuteronomy 29:9
9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.

 1 Chronicles 22:13
13 Then shalt thou prosper, if thou takest heed to fulfil the statutes and judgments which the Lord charged Moses with concerning Israel: be strong, and of good courage; dread not, nor be dismayed. 
Christianity EtcRe: The Love of Money is a Characteristic of Most False Teachers - 2 Peter 2 verse 3 by Joagbaje(m): 4:27pm On Feb 14, 2011
1-What is gospel? it means goodnews. Not bad news. The goodnews includes dominion over sickness,sin.death and poverty. God makes men great and prosperous. it is false gospel of false humility that teaches poverty.

2- Righteousness was credited to Abraham account. but righteousness not credited to our account. We became righteousness itself in Christ.

3- being born again is a product of the new testament. No man was able to enter into the new testament until Christ rose. New testament was not revealed in Matthew, mark.Luke and john. The new testament started with acts of the apostles and epistles.
No man was able to be born again until Jesus rose. Abraham and other prophets got born again when Christ rose.
Christianity EtcRe: Did Tb Joshua Or Chris Oyaks Predicted What Happened In Tunisia And Egypt? by Joagbaje(m): 9:16am On Feb 14, 2011
he predicted the worldwide economic crisis that is on presently as far back as 2001
Christianity EtcRe: Did Tb Joshua Or Chris Oyaks Predicted What Happened In Tunisia And Egypt? by Joagbaje(m): 8:48am On Feb 14, 2011
he predicted the economy crisis in 2001. he said it would last for seven years
Christianity EtcRe: How Do We Loose The Power Given To Us At Birth? by Joagbaje(m): 11:57pm On Feb 13, 2011
Christ in you is ability,enablement, anointing. while you in Christ is new creation.
Christianity EtcRe: The True Israel Of God Is Not The Nation Israel , But The Church Of God by Joagbaje(m): 7:10am On Feb 12, 2011
There is a difference between the rapture of the church and the second coming of christ. They have 7 years in between.
Christianity EtcRe: Christain Vs Born Again by Joagbaje(m): 12:43am On Feb 12, 2011
chukwudi44:
unfortunately one can never become a christian until you are born again by the renewing water of baptism and of the holy spirit.Technically speaking,there is nothing like unborn again christians,it is either you are a born again christian or simply not a christian
As much as I agree with you that a man is not a christens until He's born again, but your definition of born again has an issue. A man us not born again by water baptism which is a ceremonial cleansing. When Jesus said a man must be born by water and the spirit, he refers to the word of God as water and not water baptism .
Christianity EtcRe: Can An Unbeliever Pray To God by Joagbaje(m): 12:22am On Feb 12, 2011
John 9:31
31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 7:15pm On Feb 11, 2011
away4real:
. Recently, I heard their members are/will be ordered to leave face book to join the church's own social network. Such a joke, the hold the church has on its members is a bit scary.
Yes YOOKOS is the thing now , now that there is a kingdom platform. Is it still wise to build other websites with our money? It is a simple wisdom to migrate with our friends to YOOKOS. and get the entire world into it. We used to feel anything that come from US overcome the world . It's time to magnify what God has given us. From Africa to the rest of the world.
Christianity EtcRe: Onced Saved,always Saved? by Joagbaje(m): 6:58pm On Feb 11, 2011
Both, But all depends on the case. I should start with you. I can't count how many times you have joined others on this forum to sin against christ and his church by all these evil speaking of you guys ,mouth speaking guile. Will God forgive you.have you asked for forgiveness. Evil speaking against another Christian is a sin! Not to talk about a man of God.

I understand some of you sin in ignorance because you didn't know those things were sins, God grace cover for a sin in  ignorance, but a wilful sin is different. There is different between felling into a sin and living in sin. If a christens sins, the holyspirit will convict his heart and he repents. Except if his heart is harden. That's a danger zone, when a man conscience no longer feel bad for erring fling. That's why regular fellowship with the word and fellow Christian is important. The conscience of such person will be purified. And it will prevent the conscience from being hardened

 Hebrews 3:13
13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

 1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 
Christianity EtcRe: Onced Saved,always Saved? by Joagbaje(m): 6:29pm On Feb 11, 2011
chukwudi44:
@joagabje.

This is what the WOF maovement teaches;

The Bible teaches “once saved, always saved” -- that we can be saved once and for all only through a repentant, saving faith in Jesus Christ. Once a person has accepted Christ as Savior, they may wonder if it is possible to lose that salvation. What if they commit a sin? What if they commit a lot of sins? What if they do something very, very wrong? Is it possible to be saved, and then lose that salvation? Fortunately, the answer is a resounding “no.” Once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, he/she is forever saved. This fact is referred to as the doctrine of “eternal security,” often summarized as “once saved, always saved
This dangerous doctrine presuposes that once a man is born again,he can never again be lost to damnation.This view is achieved by blatant distortion of selected bible passages.
Well I don't know who the woofers are. I take the word of God for what it says. There is no sin a christens can commit that God can't  forgive. The blood of Jesus cleans all Sins .  Except a man goes into  apostasy .  

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 

1 John 5:16-17
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin[ which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Pastor Chris A Fraud? by Joagbaje(m): 5:48pm On Feb 11, 2011
How come after all the noise making , The almighty EFCC has not been able to prove any case against the man of God. Serving governors and former governors were araigned even bank directors. How come they've not been able to establish any case against pastor chris. The only thing we hear is that efcc is using soft selling newspars to make noise. And gullible Christians are happy to buy them because they love bad news.

Pastor chris is a fine gentle man and he knows how to put the devil where he belongs. The greatest thing you can do to satan is to ignore him as though he doesn't exist. And that's exactly what pastor chris is doing . That's why the press is mad at him, he doesn't grant interview, he is a focused man that refuse to be distracted. He just moves on. If press make you, Press can destroy you. Since the Press can't feast on him, they rather make money from attacks . But the power that sustain the man is the holyghost. You can't defeat a man who is functioning in his calling.
Christianity EtcRe: Onced Saved,always Saved? by Joagbaje(m): 10:28am On Feb 11, 2011
chukwudi44:
Of cousre Jesus did come to die for our salvation.That still does not mean we are automatically saved by simply getting born again once and after that relapse into sin still hoping to be saved afterall.
Why would you want to sin anyway?. If a Christian falls into a sin, he should simply repent  of it. And come out of it. The blood of Jesus wipes him clean. But he can keep away from such error by constant meditation on the word of God. He receives ability to live above sin.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 9:48am On Feb 11, 2011
We need to differentiate between the legal aspect of our salvation and the vital aspect. Legally we are everything Chist is,  because of his life in us. We however live in a body that is not yet perfect. But it's still undergoing change. The spirt of msn is 100%  in his likenes, bur the soul and the body does not become perfect overnight. The is undergoing it's metsmophorsis by the word of God and the ministry of the holy ghost. Attack may come sgains the body , but you rule over it and send it packing. Just as a Christian may fall into a sin, when he realise it , he repents and turn away from it.  The more he grows the less his yieldedness to flesh. Sin and sickneses are all contracts of the flesh . When a man begings to walk in the spirit , it becomes difficult for sickness or sin to reign over him. God wants us to attain perfection  on earth .

Hebrews 6:1-6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For[ it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put[ him] to an open shame.


You can see the highligted part above. It is possible to partake of the power of the life to come now. Remember jesus's discussion with Mary. 

John 11:25-26
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 


He was talking about dominion over death even now. As long as we keep feeding only on milk,the church of christ will never attain it's potential. We may delay the rapture for another century. Paul was expecting the rapture in his time also. As long as the church refuse to grow up, the rapture won't take place. The is the message of pastor chris. And that wad the passion of Paul and of christ. Jesus wasn't playing on words when he described what the believer should be.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 

This is dominion in christ. Jesus asked mary " belivest thou this? The question is for all of us . Can we dare take the words of Jesus for what it says and act on it.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 9:04am On Feb 11, 2011
SirJohn:
My dear, you are trying to run faster than your shadow; I have supplied scriptures to show that even though God made such provision, the time is not now none of you responded to any of those scriptures but rather turned a blind eye. There are some of Gods promises which are yet to be fulfilled but you guys just cant wait. Its you who has a hard time accepting the truth.
Your claim is not true sirjohn. The benefit in christ is now. Thats what perfection is all about. I agree with you there is a futuristic part for everybody generally. But we in christ partake of it's firstruit . We have to grow into fulness of all that christ is. That is what will cause the rapture to take place. Because he's coming for a perfectly mature church that has gained dominion over sickness , sin, poverty and death.
Christianity EtcPastor Chris Oyakhilome: God’s Word Is The Evidence by Joagbaje(op): 8:47am On Feb 11, 2011
John 14:16-17
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you


I once asked someone, “Have you received the Holy Spirit?” “Well, I did at one time” he replied. “What do you mean you did at one time?” I asked him. Then, he said, “Some years ago, I used to speak in tongues but now I don’t speak in tongues anymore, so I don’t think I have the Holy Spirit anymore.” I’m aware that many people believe the principle evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.” So when someone says, “I’ve received the Holy Spirit,” they ask, “Do you speak in tongues?” To them, anyone who doesn’t speak in tongues is yet to receive the Holy Spirit, but this isn’t what the Bible teaches.

Some even prove their point by citing the examples of people in the Scriptures who received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues immediately. But there’re also those who received the Holy Spirit in the Bible, and we’re not told that they spoke in other tongues immediately the Holy Spirit came upon them. For instance, the Bible doesn’t tell us that Paul spoke in other tongues as soon as Ananias laid hands on him to receive the Holy Spirit. All that is recorded is that the Holy Ghost came upon him (Acts 9:17-18).

The only way we got to know Paul spoke in tongues was when he wrote to the Church at Corinth and said,
“I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all” (1 Corinthians 14:18).
Paul didn’t say, “I spoke in tongues the moment Ananias laid hands on me.” It didn’t have to have happened the same day.

The bottom line is that you don’t need any other evidence aside from the Word of God that have you received the Holy Spirit.
In Luke 11:13, Jesus said, “If ye then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Ghost to them that ask him?”
This is my evidence – the Word of God. I asked the Father, and I received the Holy Spirit by faith. So, the reason I know that I have the Holy Spirit is because of what the Word says, not just because I speak in tongues.

Prayer
Dear Father, your Word id the only evidence I need to be convinced of my inheritance and privileged place in Christ. Thank you for the power of your Word to illuminate my path, guide my thinking, and direct my actions aright today, in Jesus’ Name.

Further Study
Acts 2:38-39
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Christianity EtcPastor Chris Oyakhilome: Our Sufficiency by Joagbaje(op): 7:25pm On Feb 10, 2011
2 Corinthians 3:5
Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God


Having been born again, we’ve received the life and nature of God. What this implies is that we can function with the ability of God because were associates of the God-kind; partakers of His divine nature:

“Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust” 2 Peter 1:4.

The Amplified version renders our opening verse thus: “not that we are fit, qualified, sufficient in ability as of ourselves, to form us in judgment or claim or count anything as coming from us, our power, and ability and sufficiency, are from God.” Therefore, we’re to know and recognize God as our qualification, competence and strength, and not have confidence in our physical abilities, knowing that He has endued us with power from on high.

This understanding informed David’s mentality when as a stripling he confronted and defeated the great Goliath of Gath. Conscious of God’s ability at work in him, he looked at Goliath and said, “You come against me with a sword, shield and spear, but I come against you in the Name of the Lord of host; the God of the armies of Israel” (1 Samuel 17:45). How important that we live and walk every day, in the consciousness that we are fully kitted with God’s glory and power because we function in His Name!

We’re not sufficient of ourselves; our sufficiency is a God-sufficiency! The power and ability by which we function are of God; that makes it unlimited! That means there’s no limit to how much you can achieve and how far you can go on your journey of success, because the power at work in you to make it happen is of God.

This is the reason why as a Christian, you ought not be defeated in life, because you’re sufficient in God’s sufficiency. The power and authority with which you function are His very own. When you speak, He’s the one speaking; when you minister, He’s the one ministering through you. You function in His stead; He gave you the power of attorney to function in His Name!

Confession
The ability of God is at work in me today, and I’m conscious of it! I don’t function in my own ability or strength, for God’s inherent ability is in me. The Lord renews my strength daily, and I’m divinely energized at all times for victory, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study
Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.


Colossians 1:29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily
Christianity EtcRe: Is Psychic/mysticism Good? by Joagbaje(m): 1:45pm On Feb 10, 2011
Nobody said they suck blood. Salvation is in christ only.
Christianity EtcRe: Gog,magog & Armageddon by Joagbaje(m): 1:34pm On Feb 10, 2011
What about the rapture? Is it not supposed to happen before Gog and maggog battle?
Christianity EtcRe: Onced Saved,always Saved? by Joagbaje(m): 1:29pm On Feb 10, 2011
2 Timothy 2:23
23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.


Besides ,I'm not a wofer, if you want to ask a question ,simply ask
Christianity EtcRe: Why Tithes Are Important by Joagbaje(m): 8:32am On Feb 10, 2011
So which which widow did Abraham give his tithe to? grin
Christianity EtcPastor Chris Oyakhilome:our Great Provider by Joagbaje(op): 8:28am On Feb 10, 2011
Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus .


Everything in the world belongs to God. He has in His custody as inexhaustible and inestimable wealth! It’s however inspiring to understand what the Holy Spirit communicates to us through the Apostle Paul. In our opening scripture, Paul wasn’t making a promise to the Church on God’s behalf. Rather, he had come to know God’s ways of doing things – that He supplies not just some but ALL our needs!

The scripture tells us that all things belong to God. Psalms 24:1 says “The earth is the LORD’S and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.” Also in Psalms 50:10-11, God tells us: “For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.” Furthermore, He says “The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts” (Haggai 2:cool. So what in the world could be too big for Him to give you? In Jeremiah 32:27, He said “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?”

No wonder David said, “The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1). The Apostle Paul, coming to the same realization declared:
“Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours” (1 Corinthians 3:21).
Ever before you arrived on the scene, God already made everything you would ever need available to you; He provided them for you richly to enjoy (1 Timothy 6:17)!

All your needs have automatically been entered into his supply system! So He’s saying to you today, “Hello child, all things are ready! And I’ve made them available to you; they’re all yours!”

Realize today, and begin to fellowship with the truth that God has made available to you wealth too valuable and excellent to be measured! He has made you a partaker of His inestimable and incorruptible inheritance: “Giving thanks into the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light” (Colossians 1:12)

Prayer
Dear heavenly Father, thank you for the provisions you’ve made available to me in Christ Jesus. Today, I declare that I’m abundantly supplied and all my needs are met according to your riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Everything I require for life and godliness have been made available to me and I’m conscious of this reality today, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study
2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:


Psalms 24
The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. 
2For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods. 
3Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? 
4He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. 
5He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. 
6This is the generation of them that seek him, that seek thy face, O Jacob. Selah. 
7Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. 
8Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. 
9Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. 
10Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

Luke 12:22-23
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Tithes Are Important by Joagbaje(m): 6:17pm On Feb 09, 2011
We don't tithe because the law say so. But because tithes are based in principles of faith in God. The principles of God are universal. But come to think of it, o, Is it not ironical, for those who believe that the law is obsolete to be judging Christian givings by the law? grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 4:24pm On Feb 09, 2011
Sirjohn,
You're still making thesame mistake. You don't judge the word of God by a mans experience. Even if Jesus dies of leukaemia ! It should not destroy our faith in the word.you take the word for what it says. . So long as you judge by peoples lifestyles you'll keep mskingn thesame mistakes.

John 8:15
15 Ye judge after the flesh; 

 2 Corinthians 5:16-17
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we[ him] no more. 17 Therefore if any man[ be] in Christ,[ he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 No man should be your standard. The word of God stands sure. The stand you're taking is sadly a stand that destroys faith of people in the Word of God. Making the death of christ worthless. Even James choice of remedy was not medicine.

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess[ your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 12:29pm On Feb 09, 2011
Sickness has ever been an enemy of God. Part of the blessing of Abraham is freedom from sickness. It is a major part of the abrahamic covenant. Jesus healed the bent over woman on the basis of abrahamic covenant. 

Luke 13:16
16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day? 


It's only when Israel sin that they get afflicted. With sickness. And in their affliction when they turn to God he healed them. King Asa died because he trusted in medicine rather than God

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease[ was] exceeding[ great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the Lord, but to the physicians. 13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.


Gods primary way if healing his children has never been medicine

 Mark 5:25-26
25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, 26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
 

Till today many people still die by doctors guess work! Medicine can't cure a demonic case. Healing through medicine is in the permissive will of God and not the perfect will.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 11:57am On Feb 09, 2011
Nuella,

I love your great exposition.
Thumbs up grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 11:55am On Feb 09, 2011
SirJohn:
And the word of God does not say anywhere that they cannot fall sick!
Isaiah 33:24
24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein[ shall be] forgiven[ their] iniquity.


Sickness is synonymous with sin. The power that took sin away also dealth with the dominion of sickness. What do you understand by the phrase " by whose stripes ye were healed
Christianity EtcRe: Why Tithes Are Important by Joagbaje(m): 11:11am On Feb 09, 2011
KunleOshob:
Oga why do you love distorting scriptures becos of your greed, you call yourself a pastor
Mr hungry lecturer, I didn't  call myself a pastor .
 
you claim tithes are not to be given to widows even when the bible clearly states so abi the following passges are missing from your bible.
There are different tithes just as there are different sabbaths. There main yearly tithe is taken to the priest in the temple. But there's a special tithes that is eaten and shared with the poor. This special one is done every three years . I have mention this several times on this forum.
Christianity EtcRe: S’africa Orders Chirst Embassy Church To Stop Faith Healing Ads by Joagbaje(m): 9:20am On Feb 09, 2011
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you are wrong here. There is no false hood. The healing school is a place you are taught the word of God , to acquaint the students with what they have in christ. The first step is to lead them into salvation, get them filled with the holy spirit and also ton teach them the word concerning their rights and privileges in christ. They are taught faith.

Many get healed before the end of the classed ,others get healed when pastor chris lays hands on them. They come with their medical reports. And after ministration, they are sent back to the same hospital they went before to confirm their healing. if they receive healing, they share the testimony on air. If they haven't received . The either go through the process again. Or continue their drugs, So if this person stopped her drugs on claims of healing. Was she medically tested in the hospital?. Or did she get healed and later got attacked by the sickness again? . We have to get detail before throwing stones.
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris oyakhilome: Don’t Excuse Sickness! by Joagbaje(op): 8:44am On Feb 09, 2011
I don't fall sick, since I have embraced the truth. But I should not condemn a Christian who swallows pills. The message pastor chris is teaching is the deep truth. Many Christians have not fully experienced the benefit of the life in christ. Even if I fall sick ,it still doesn't change the truth, I will still tell any one who cares it's the truth. The generation that will believe it fully is the generation that will see the rapture.

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and[b] if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them[/b]; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


We need to wake up to truth. We have been endowed with power, we can't live in the oppression of sickness again. The only person that had legal right to be sick was Jesus.

1 Peter 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 


Healing and health is heritage for the Christian. If he believes it ,it will work for him. We are striving to function in all that christ died for,to become all he wants us to be. Some don't care about development spiritually. Jesus died for our perfection. We should desire to be all he made us in him. It is not overnight, but it begins by accepting the truth. We don't have to judge the Word by the failings of others. But judge by truth.   

Philippians 3:12-13
12 I don't mean to say I am perfect. I haven't learned all I should even yet, but I keep working toward that day when I will finally be all that Christ saved me for and wants me to be.
13 No, dear brothers, I am still not all I should be, but I am bringing all my energies to bear on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead,


Pastor chris is one man who has taken the Word of God for what it says, I love the  audacity of his faith. He dared to believe. That's the man to listen to. The body of christ have been fed with milk for too long. It's time to grow up.

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