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InesQor:
Kai I don lose touch with all this "rev" (revelation) attention-seeking tactics o! LOL
@Joagbaje:I see. So I see you agree there were raptures before Jesus was born too. Enoch and Elijah 

Preaching this Sunday:
"I found something in the scriptures as I was studying in the midnight yesterday, and I said Wow! It's all in the Word!! Your eyes have to be opened! (speaks in tongues as the congregation anticipates the next words. Someone screams PREACH IT PASTOR!!!. ) Joagbaje continues 'Did you ever know that there was rapture, even before Christ was born? Ah! You need to read your Bibles! It's all in the Word!!'"

An average CEC member knows these things . And you should not make mockery of the ministry of the word.

InesQor:
Quote from: Joagbaje on Today at 10:16:52 AM
So there will actually be 2 more raptures after the church . 

Jokes apart, almost everything you say, Joagbaje, I have heard before. But this is new.  Care to explain?

Image123:
I think he's referring to the two prophets in Revelation who were taken up to Heaven in sight of everyone. Jo's penchant for the absurd attention catching is becoming a hobby.

Yes the rapture of the two prophets and the rapture of the "MAN CHILD" Jewish tribulation saints also.

@Enigma and Image 123

Enigma:
^^^ There is an important point hidden in this post. When a "not born-again" person seeks forgiveness from God  ---- which God are we talking about? Let us take the opening poster, it seemed clear enough that he was seeking forgiveness from the same God that Christians call God.

Enigma that's not the point let's be honest here pls.you should have read my counsel to the poster with open heart. I'm a soul winner and my first responsibility is to ensure the salvation of a counselee. Before any other thing.

Every religious person believe there is a God in heaven , either Muslim or orunmila and Ifa worshiper. And they believe that their religion is only a point of contact to the Great God of Heaven. So if such a person ask the God of heaven forgiveness for the wrong doing. Is he accepted? Is he saved. Can a man have relationship with God without Jesus? . Can God forgive a man's wrong doings without jesus.? Is there another shorthand cut into the grace of God without the blood of christ?

You seem to be dodging my question. By asking God for forgiveness, has the unsaved man been justified? Without being born again and recieving the life of christ.

Image 123

Image123:
^^That's a beauty of a point hoping Joagbaje could also see it. Plus to that the RIGHT channel. One may be seeking for the true God in the grave, or through some sorry man. But we have only One channel/mediator, Jesus Christ the Righteous. Why go to scream for forgiveness on the broadway when The Way is there.

Pls answer the question in a direct way. It will help me know your understanding of salvation.

^^^^
tell me more about house 45. Is it for Christians only or general.

@altheia,

I didn't want to comment on your post earlier because I don't have the time at the moment to give it the attention that it's due. Because I need to double check on some scriptures for references. But I just feel I should post this for now.

aletheia:
What Christians that hold to the pre-trib view pointedly ignore is that 2 Thessalonians was written to counter the teaching gaining currency in the Thessalonian Church that a secret rapture had occurred:

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [2 Thessalonians 2:1-3]

Paul was merely giving a run down summary here.What you miss out here. Is the remaining part which put more detail as I quoted in my earlier post.
Verse 6 explains it all that the church has to be taken out of the way first before the Antichrist is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-8
6 And now you know what is restraining him[ from being revealed at this time]; it is so that he may be manifested( revealed) in his own[ appointed] time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness( that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority) is already at work in the world,[ but it is] restrained only until a he who restrains is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one( the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming. 

This COMING is judgement on the day of the lord after the 7year tribulation.Dan 9 says he will broker peace accord for 7 years and in the middle of the 7years he will reveal his true nature. And begins to persecute the saints. At the end of the 7years of tribulation Jesus and his saints will come down and destroy the Antichrist.

Thessalonians 2: 8 
And then the lawless one( the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming 

At the rapture Jesus will not come down. It will happen within a second.  When this happenens Jesus will not leave he will defeat the enemy and establish his kingdom on the earth for the millennia reign on the earth. So what need is a rapture at that time when Jesus himself will be on the earth? What will they go to heaven to do.

Christ's return shall be visible and audible. Jesus Himself had already warned us:

That is true, but that second coming is not the rapture of the church. The second coming will be to execute judgement. 

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [Matthew 24:26-27]

This is dealing with mid tribulation crises. When the Antichrist begins his offensive against the Jews . When they realise that he is a wrong christ. They will be looking out for their messiah, false christs will show up but they will lead them into further destruction. Until the 7th year when they will realise that the messiah had come and they will  cry to him as a nation , he will then come down and end the evil system  

Now notice the sequence of events:
#1. Tribulation involving the elect:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. [Matthew 24:21-22]
^^I understand this to be a short intense period of tribulation which is shortened for the sake of the elect.

The elect is  not the church but the sealed 144,000 Jews that will be ruptured during the tribulation. There are seven major raptures in the bible . After the church rapture, when the great tribulation begins God will ore serve for himself 144,000 Jews that should not be destroyed. They will be raptured after. 

#2. Following the tribulation comes astronomical portents.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [Matthew 24:29]

#3. Then appears the Sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [Matthew 24:30]
^^Notice the twofold event: the Sign of the Son of Man. What it is we don't yet know, but I am sure that when it appears, the world will know it. Then they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven. If this was a secret catching up; then why would the nations and tribes of the earth see? This is further reaffirmed by the testimony of the angels in Acts 1. The disciples saw Jesus ascend bodily into heaven borne up by the clouds. They said in like manner would he return.

This is not the rapture of the church, but his coming to execute judgement on the earth.

#4. When the Son of Man appears He gathers His elect.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and [b]they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. [Matthew 24:31][/b]

Question: If the elect have already been raptured before the tribulation of vs 21-22; then who are the elect that are gathered in vs 31?

This "His elect are Jews" mat 24 was a jewish discussion. Dealing with the Jewish calendar for salvation. The times of the Gentiles was an interruption. From the perspective of that calendar in Daniel 9. 

The phrase "the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven" directs us to Daniel 7 where we see that that event marks the end of the dominion of man:
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. [Daniel 7:13-14]

This is the second coming. Our solar system will be in place at the rapture. But during the tribulation , the solar system will change,  sun darken etc.  But under our present solar system , the time zone cannot even afford people to witness a physical coming . But all eyes will see the second coming. So there will actually be 2 more raptures after the church .

@H$LBroker
I drove pass one of your branches and saw people watching the congress live on a projector screen . I never knew you guys have started satellite broadcast. It's good to see the gospel advancing by the power of technology. Congratulations.

We have special ministry to the blind and deaf. We even have special rhapsodies we send to them free .every one can be reached in language they van understand

I wish I have you people's time today.

@Enigma, InesQor, Image 123
I asked a question, if a man of other faith such as Islam , juju, etc ask God for forgiveness over some bad things he has done. Is he forgiven?

If he does bad and ask God for forgiveness, when he dies will he go to heaven?

Where is the venue?

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

Did you know that a man could believe that Jesus died and was raised from the dead for his justification, and still end up in hell? That’s because to merely believe that He died and was raised from the dead isn’t enough to guarantee salvation. The Bible says
even the devils believe and tremble (James 2:19),

but that doesn’t make them saved. There’s more required for salvation than just believing. We must confess the Lordship of Jesus over our lives to be saved!

The word “confess” is the Greek “Homologia” which means to declare openly by way of speaking out freely a deep conviction of facts. Thus when we make confessions, we’re proclaiming that which God has said concerning us in His Word.

Romans 10:9-10
“…if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

In other words, when God’s Word comes to you, and you believe it, your heart is made right with God. But confessing the Lordship of Jesus over your life is actually what launches or catapults you into salvation. This is when you come to the realization that Jesus Christ is Lord of your life and that you belong to Him.

Confession however doesn’t end with receiving salvation from sin alone, for salvation is an all-inclusive word. It refers to your preservation, prosperity, peace, health, victory, success and all the wonderful benefits that ensue from the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In fact, Christianity itself is referred to as the “great confession.” It’s a life where you get what you say. So you have to be a talking-Christian. You have to confess God’s Word and see it come to pass in your life, health, job, family and finances.

The Lord Jesus emphasized this in Mark 11:23, when He said
“…he shall have whatsoever he saith.”
So declare God’s Word concerning everything that pertains to you today, and you’d definitely see the results in your life!

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

@enigma, InesQor,

Enigma:
^^^ That is his way --- the poisonous way! We pointed out David and Psalm 51 to him in the past but of course he will not desist from spreading poison. A couple more examples of people "not born again" whose sins were forgiven.

. Wonder shall never end. Forgiveness is for believers .  David was a shadow of believer In his day according to the standard of righteousness in their dispensation. They were God worshipers . They had relationship with God.

Forgave people in his day, because day were still under the law. So forgiveness was part if their system. But now , standard of righteousness has changed. A man has to be born again  and become re created, re born.  He has to receive life of christ in him. A sinner who has not the life of christ cannot even commit sin in th first place. His wrong doings don't make him a sinner. He us already one by birth even if he didn't do any evil. His breath itself is sin.

Imagine a Moslem say "God forgive me" has that earned him salvation? Muslims and other faiths actually do ask God for forgiveness. Can you see your errors now? Your doctrine is the actual poison.

Maybe I should allow you to answer for yourself . If a moslem, or juju man does bad to another person ,and he ask for forgiveness does that grant him salvation?  Pls respond.

Image123

Image123:
You've added another katakatalambano poison yet again Joagbaje. Forgiveness is not only for any particular sect. God is able to forgive sins. He forgave sins while on earth, and He is the same today and forever. If anyone is REPENTANT, God will forgive. Go and sin no more. Only believe.

What you call poison is the gospel truth.  You need to grow up a little in your understanding of righteousness. It is not the wrong doing of a man that makes him a sinner. And praying for forgiveness over such does not make a man right with God. He is a sinner by birth through Adam . He has to be re-born and have his old sin nature replaced as a new creation in christ.

I know you're one of those people that say that a woman with makeup  will go to hell fire. That's not the gospel of christ. Wake up to truth mister.

If a sinner is right with God just by asking for forgiveness , why did jesus have to come? He came to give us life, that life has righteousness. 

Let me ask you a question. If does nice things, without doing bad. Even though he hasn't received Jesus , is he saved?

PRINCE4CHRIST:
I dont want to insult u, because it may lead to another 'asking for forgiveness' instead of u to forget the past u come here to spoil my forum it shows u can't even forgive your offenders ok!

  it's sad that some can't just display Christian fruits for once. Even to the embarrassment of who is seeking help.
You are free to display your ignorance but you don't need to attack me personally.

As i suspected ,See how he dogged the question.

H$LBroker:
. Please Mr. Kunle can you please point to the true churches and true pastors or priests in Nigeria [/b]as a case study who are doing the will of christ.

He has no single name! Not even his church or pastor. As I suspected he has none.  You take pride in attacking every known Godly institution in Nigeria and leave the people with . . . .NOTHING.

Nobody was given an assignment to be a critic of ministers or accuser of the church.There is only one being that does that .

[b]Revelation 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

We are sent rather to edify the church, not to tear it apart .

seyibrown:
Joagbaje,

Have you finished the analysis?

Not really ,it's broad and trying to cut is short is getting my communication impeded. Maybe we have a thread on it next week

Joagbaje:
@InesQor
The gospel is an all round prosperity. Or is it poverty that Jesus brought for you. How can you call what Jesus died for false?

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


Prosperity is an all-round experience. It goes beyond money my friend.

@InesQor

InesQor:
For real, its the same delusion that makes people preach false gospels of prosperity,

The gospel is an all round prosperity. Or is it poverty that Jesus brought for you. How can you can you call what Jesus died for false?

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

H$LBroker:
Please Mr. Kunle can you please point to the true churches and true pastors or priests in Nigeria as a case study who are doing the will of christ.

Good question.

Brodo, can you put some paragraph in you posts, atleast to make it interesting to read. I'm finding it hard to follow.I got lost inside the lines three times. it's by miracle I came out!

@seyibrown

seyibrown:
Please support the above using the Book of Revelation! Tx!

Comparing I week of  Daniel with revelation

This is not exhaustive because of time.

Daniel 7:23-25
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom[ are] ten kings[ that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25 And he shall speak[ great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. ( it means three and half years)

 Revelation 12:13-14
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man[ child]. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Three and half years)

It is this same last period of three and half years of great tribulation that the two witnesses will appear which many people call "Moses and Elijah"
 
Revelation 11:3-4
3 And I will give[ power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred[ and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 

1,260 days is three and half years also

The seven year tribulation

This remaining 7years will kick off by the emergence of the Antichrist as a world ruler. He may most probably be of Jewish descent because the Jews will embrace him as "The Messiah".  He will build a new temple for them and cause sacrifices to resume again according to Jewish law. (This cannot take place in this church age.)

The seven years is divided into two. After the first three and half years , The Antichrist will enter into the holy of holies in the temple and declare that he is God. Daniel call this "abomination of Desolation" this will be the sign that will open the eyes of the Jews to realise that they've been deceived to embrace a false christ. And they will renounce him.This abomination of desolation will trigger their persecution by the Antichrist. It will run through the second part of the 7years till Jesus and us come to fight for Israel. At the Armageddon .

Daniel 9:27
27 He will make a firm covenant 
with many for one week, 
but in the middle of the week 
he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. 
And the abomination of desolation 
will be on a wing of the temple, 
until the decreed destruction 
is poured out on the desolator. ” 

Matthew 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,( whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Paul had made it clear that the Antichrist won't come until the church and the holy spirit are out of the way

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for[ that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Romans 11:25-26
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 

@seyibrown,

Daniel2 and 9 gave prophecy concerning Gods plan for the age. Chapter 9in particular gives a blueprint of the redemption plan for Israel . It gave the exact date Jesus was to be born, date of his death and the 7year tribulation. 70weeks here means 70x7  a week means 7years In Jewish calendar.

Daniel 9:24-27
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people [/b]and upon thy [b]holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand,[ that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince[ shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26[b] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,[/b] but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof[ shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make[ it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Christ death came at the 69th week(7) 483 

Summary, 70week = 70x7years = 490years. So the total number of years from the temple building to end of evil will be 490 years. Christ death came 483years remaining 7years  if you subtract 483 from 490 you have only 7years  which is also 1week. So out of the 70 week 69 week had been spent ,remaining one week (a week is 7years) that one week of the Jews was suspended at the rejection of christ. So their calendar has stopped counting. Until the time of the Gentiles is over. After our era , at the rapture, the calendar of the Jews will continue again. The remaining 7 years . To complete 490 years. So the prophecy of jesus was dealing with the salvation of the Jews and their tribulation.

That's why he used some jewish terminology

Matthew 24:20
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Because the Jews are not allowed to travel far on a sabbath day. So if the evil come upon them on a sabbath, they can't escape because they won't be able to travel and run far.

@poster,

Of course God forgives each time a Christian ask for forgiveness.

1 John 2:1
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

But you can leave beyond the level of falling and confessing. You didn't state if you're born again or not. If you're not born again, you don't have business asking for forgiveness because God will not hear it. Forgiveness is only for a born again person. But if you're born again already and you keep falling into sin. It can only be because you've not allow the word of God to richly dwell in you. You need to grow up spiritually by feeding voraciously on the word.

Psalms 119:11
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. 

Matthew 22:29
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

 1 Peter 2:2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

You need to join a bible teaching church fully. Most churches have a structure by which converts are raised to maturity. But if all these are in place already and you still have challenges in the flesh. Let us know. There is something else to deal with. This goes beyond just confession,God doesn't really want you to keep falling and confessing.

@seyibrown,

seyibrown:

1. Is the Book of Revelations a Jewish prophecy too?
2. Please explain, verse by verse, Matthew 24: 1-31, with reference to whom and what events each verse refers to.Thanks. (No hurry, in your own time)

Ha, Anty Seyi, you don't mean I should do commentary on an entire chapter ! Let's start with your earlier post .

seyibrown:
If you go back and read Matthew 24, you will find that rapture is post-tribulation.

It's the second comming that is post tribulation , this is different from the rapture.

The book of revelation lays things out in more detail. In Matthew 24, he was talking to those 'who believe'and he was saying the elect would be decived if it were possible

The elect are the Jewish believers which is also called the manchild, in the book of revelation. They are the tribulation saints. They are the 144,000 sealed . They are also called remnant

The rapture is in verse 31 after the tribulation in verse 21, which he says in verse 22 is only shortened for the 'elect's' sake. The unbelievers are NOT the elect. Believers ARE the elect.

This are Jews that will be left , they will escape the terror of the Antichrist because they have been sealed.

Verse 13 also says 'he that endures till the END shall be saved. The END IS NOT BEFORE THE TRIBULATION, THE END IS AFTER THE TRIBULATION, AT THE ARRIVAL OF CHRIST.

The antichrist will not be made manifest until the church and the holy spirit leaves the earth by the rapture. It's the church and the holy spirit that is holding him from being manifest.

 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8
7 For the mystery of lawlessness( that hidden principle of rebellion against constituted authority) is already at work in the world,[ but it is] restrained only until a he who restrains is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one( the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming.  


After the rapture, the Antichrist will become world ruler. This will be the beginning of the tribulation.

Christians are gonna go through the tribulation. He addressed Matthew 24 to us so that we are warned and can prepare beforehand

You need to study Daniel 9. God has a calendar for the salvation of his people Israel . But the church age was not in the calendar, even though the world is involved too. The church came in because Israel lost their place. The calendar is suspended now. Church age was an interruption . Maybe I will give my sumary of the calendar later. A run down comparing mat 24 with Daniel 9 and revelation. The church will not be in tribulation but the Jews will be. Because it's their calendar.

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray for one another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much

Many often chastise themselves for not being able to pray for long hours. What is the significance of long prayer times? you might want to ask. Well, God never said we must spend long hours in prayers for Him to hear us. He never told us how long our prayers should be and doesn’t demand from us many hours of prayers as the definition of time by some is. But if you spend long hours, that’s great. Remember, He lives in eternity; therefore, He’s not regulated by minutes and hours as we are in the earth. So, in a sense, the significance or essence of prayer is not in its protraction in terms of the number of hours spent praying. It’s not “how long” you pray that really makes an impact; it’s “how right” you pray.

Many spend long hours in prayer, saying the wrong things, hence their lives are unfulfilled, being void of the spiritual results and impact of prayer. They have missed the true essence of prayer, which is fellowship and communion with the Lord. That communion not only builds your relationship with Him, but also helps transform your personality from glory to glory.

What God wants is for you to spend quality time alone with Him, away from everything else. For example, you’d be amazed how much impact a fifteen or thirty minute time alone with the Lord, spent praying intensely in the Spirit, will produce in your life.

Of course, it’s desirable and advisable to spend longer periods with the Lord in fellowship. All that’s required is discipline. You have to learn to stay at the place of prayer. Lately, we’ve been observing intense moments of prayer regularly, as I notify those following on Twitter. And many who have been disciplined enough to participate in the prayer times have shared testimonies of how they were able to go beyond the regular fifteen minutes of prayer to twenty or thirty minutes, and some others to even an hour. This happened, not because they were hitherto doing it but because they found they had so much more to say to the Lord during such blissful atmosphere of fellowship.

The significance of prayer is therefore not its length, especially in the eyes of others; it’s the beauty of fellowshipping with the Most High, away from everything else. That fellowship enriches and strengthens your spirit, while improving your life in a tremendous way.

Matthew 6:5-8
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Prayer
Dear Father, I love you and appreciate every opportunity I have to fellowship with you in prayer. I thank you because those moments I spend alone with you are significant in improving my life and shaping my destiny as I get synchronized with your perfect will for my life, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

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LagosShia:
Adam committed no sin and therefore no "original sin" and no need for "atonement".

1.) the first time the word "sin" is mentioned in bible is when Cain killed Abel
2.) Adam was created from the beginning and according to God's plan to inhabit the earth and not a garden,therefore his removal from the garden to the earth did not amount to a punishment for a sin.his stay in the garden was transitory intended for him to attain maturity and transcend to the earth,a place for test and tribulation.if you pass,you will be rewarded more than just a garden per se but also eternity.
3.) Adam was created mortal and not immortal as christians want us to believe.in genesis we are told that Adam was expelled from the garden "lest he should eat from the tree of life and gain immortality".had Adam being made immortal,he would have never needed to eat from a tree for immortality and would have nevr being tried.this shows man was created to be tried and the incident of adam give a main lesson:the devil is always there to deceive man.it was more of a lesson for adam.
4.) genesis tells God did not want Adam to eat from the forbidden tree because it was the "tree of knowledge of good and evil".if man does not know what is good and evil,how can man avoid evil?does God not want us to know what is good and what is evil?does God wish us to be ignorant?
5.) if Adam's sin became known as "original sin" and our tendency to sin is blamed on our "sinful nature" and the sin and imperfection inherited from Adam,then who did Adam inherit his own "sinful nature" from since he also had a tendency to sin?
6.) had Adam not ate from the tree we would have never being born.it was upon eating from the tree that Adam's unclothedness was revealed to him and his power to pro-create made known to him.in other words,the eating from the tree was a timing point made by God for Adam to realize his maturity and know the time to commence his earthly journey.
7.) almost all versions of the bible contain a promise from God to adam:"the day you eat from the forbidden tree,you shall surely die".the devil disputed that and advised Adam to go ahead an eat.Adam lived for more than 900 years!!!

Great revelations here. But the bible made it clear Adam sinned. The sin was not the eating of the fruit, but that it was eaten before maturity and also at the devils command and not Gods.

chukwudi44:
where did you read this ?That our almighty God and Saviour is an ordinary apostle? Apostle of what if I may ask

As a matter of fact , Jesus had the five fold ministry, just like Paul, he was a teacher, pastor, evangelist, prophet and of course Apostle

Hebrews 3:1
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

InesQor:
I couldnt have said it better (except that the spambot banned me so I had to chill until I was released). LOL.

God bless you, people!

Oh , not again!. . .

@Seyibrown,
Matt 24 was a Jewish prophecy. He wasn't making reference to the rapture but rather he was making reference to the second coming of christ which event will take place . 7 years after the rapture. When Jesus and us will come from heaven to fight for israel.

@volvoS60
Thanks a million.

mavenbox:
Okay I had to come back through mavenbox to beg you.
Will you please release my banned username InesQor? Your spambot was overworking as usual

I hope I am allowed to keep posting with mavenbox while I wait

I protest, I think you should just maintain the mavenbox. You displayed more fruits of Christianity under that I.D . This InesQor thing just changed you to one abusive and anger raged poster. May InesQor remained banned! In Jesus name we pray. AMEN! FIRE !