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KunleOshob:
^^^^
At least now we know that the holy spirit had no part in his "calling", did the above people also teach him how to stage miracles? Where did he get the healing school idea from? It seems unique to him.

Let us deal with facts.He didn't stage miracles. What's your source of information ? Pastor chris had been working miracles ,early in life.there was no doubt of the call upon him. The miracles shown are people with identity. If a man was said to never have walked before. He has family friends and neighbour that could have exclaimed "that's a lie" why not investigate to their houses. Neighbours will not lie,

On what ground do you determine the call of God upon a person.?

He had had his foundations under the pastorate in assemblies. He had been influenced by archbishop . And also TL OSBORNE Made evangelistic impact on him. But he had his foundation in assembly

How did Archbishob Idahosa ridicule christianity? This same archbishop destroyed the foundation of ogbony fraternity in his days. Before his time people feared ogbony, you couldn't be successful as a lawyer without "belong" you cant have good case in court or police station if you didnt belong .He destroyed the myth of ogbony, and delivered Benin city and beyond from the bondage.

SirJohn:
oh yeah! so who was Chris' pastor? under whose ministry was he schooled? who raised Chris?

Pastor chris was raised under generations of pastors and ministers in assembles of God. His grandfather, great grandfather brought assemblies of God church to Nigeria. He grew up in church and got born again early. He was a child evangelist. H He started holding crusades from his teens. He was also greatly influenced by arch bishop idahosa in his teenage years, he even once worked partially with them in the bible school briefly and had opportunity to see crusades and miracles in pictures inside archbishop office. He said he used to be in tears looking at those pictures of how God could used a man that much.

He started his own crusades in villages , recorded miracles as well. And all his friends then who are pastors in other ministries today will tell you he had been working miracles since they knew him in early 80s.

What the whole world see in his ministry today are fulfiment of prophecies and his faithfulness to the course of the gospel. So he's not one man that made money in America and came to start fanciful church. He grew up under the "old time religion". And now by the holyghost he knows the difference.

Quote from nuclearboy
But lets start here  - answer (not evade) Enigma's question above AND then SirJohns which is [1] are you saying the devourer has been rebuked for your sake and thus loss, disaster etc do not come to you? [2] What then is the gain of tithing you have that he lacks?

I have answered enigma already. The eunuch was a proselyte, but now converted to christianity. He was based in Ethiopia. He only came down for Pentecost  and went back to his country saved as a born again christian.he wasn't part if the church before.

Malachi 3:10-12
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, [/b]and pour [b]you out a blessing, that[ there shall] not[ be room] enough[ to receive it]. 11 A[b]nd I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes[/b], and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; [b]neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time i[/b]n the field, saith the Lord of hosts. 12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

God doesn't drop money from heaven . He grants us opportunities and by his wisdom we take advantage of those opportunities for finances etc.  A giver is a receiver. God was saying when you give, you will have ability to recognise opportunities , your investments will be preserved , the enemy can't cause you losses successfully.

But for a man that doesn't tithe, he is blind to opportunities, and to dangers. He can fall prey to the enemy because he has no security. They may go up for a season but they will come down. Except the word of God is not true.

nuclearboy:
Anyways, lets get down to brass tacks - you asked if we considered maybe we were wrong. I did/do quite often.

My prayers for you are being heard in heaven.

Lets look at your "pastor chris" from my own point of view which is simply deductive. I know one of your pastors very very well - proud, over-bearing and totally into money.

Don't make vague statement , proud ? Totally into money According who's definition. You? What did he do? He stole? 419 ? He's a spender?

I hear (of course he refuses to discuss it) that he has children from other women (note the plurality) and his speech with those of us he's comfortable with betrays the high likelihood of this being fact since he believes anything he does is holy and must not be assessed. His favorite words to EVERYONE are "I have so much to teach you". What Pride!

Several people would have made similar statement to you on this forum. By your unchristian attitude. Blasphemings , dirty ,filthy word. You have many things to learn. Any spiritual man will gladly tell you that. Maybe you should take a poll.

I have had staff who are your members and I have alluded to this before. It got to a point where I had to send the female one away because it was men, noise about chris and hopes of hitting it big. She could be picked by 4 men within one week and I heard rumor of a few abortions when she found reasons to avoid work due to "illness". I remember her telling ME that a chap despoiled her in his bedroom. I asked what she went in there for and she said to talk.  Yeah right! Listening to her was exactly like listening to my pastor friend and is exactly like listening to you. Money, control, licentiousness, self-justification etc. Worst was her choir people kept coming and I kid you not - at least a half dozen of them threw themselves at me. First I am likely at least a decade and half older than all these girls, plus am married. I know 2 of my staff rubbished a couple of them.

I wish you have the credibility for me to believe your report. Because you've done enough exaggeration and twisting of my posts on NL. To make it say what I didn't say. But let's still give you benefit of doubt. Sopposing you are saying the truth for once. You are confronted with a Christian living wayward, is it what to discuss. Or to correct, why didn't you see it as Gods opportunity to build someones life. God can only allow you see other peoples error not for condemnation and gossip but  so as to help them. Which part did you fulfil?  We don't talk about other Christians , we help them. They will forever be grateful to God for meeting you. I have recorded successes in this regard. Touching lives one on one. And realising that those who come into my world , whatever their errors had come for a purpose . I will give account for every opportunity I miss. So I value people and bring the best out of them. In rebuking, correcting and loving .we love.

1 Corinthians 13:7
7 Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything[ without weakening].
 

It was so dirty it was demeaning to watch.

Was it as dirty as the filth you spill on a religious forum?

Your scriptural knowledge is manipulative and otherwise shallow; geared towards only income]

Why do you swim in your own lies. I'm yet to do thread on finances. I will by Gods grace. Have I asked you for money? I discuss truth of the bible, finances is minimal in my post not even up to 5% of my posts. You refuse to see others. And what's wrong in telling people that they are blessed and rich in christ. 

and ensuring the "man of God" is revered, blameless and above reproach. You,

That's a bible truth. And any one who hasn't known that fact is really in a bad place. Your insults and abuses does not take any thing from the man of God.it's not for pastor chris sake I'm warning you , but rather for your sake. Because it puts you at disadvantage. My warning to you guys is not because it's pastor chris, I would say the same about oyedepo , kumuyi, etc. It is unscriptural to speak evil of ministers. I may not agree with some doctrines of deeper life or house on the rock. But it's not in my place to judge them or condemn. You can't find any post where I attack or condemn ministers . Its because of the truth I know. And the fear of God. If a minister didn't do right , I pray for him. I believe in my prayers.

I believe know the truth but you get "funds" from this thing so you're turning a blind eye. Is that good fruit from him? Your support is not for christ but for him.

I'm a blessed man. I'm into a lot of things. I make a lot of money and I give. Stop putting sentiments into discussion . If you want to know my world , meet me on Facebook . I'm hosting a website for my gallery. I can give you the link.

Then there's the healing school shams, blind people who were never blind, thousands of miracles but not a one of them verifiable etc. Its endless and embarrassing.

What's your proof, have you been there? I have sent people to healing school and they come back healed.

So its not about oratory ability or a cream suit. It is the bitter fruit your supposed pastor is bringing forth!

What are the fruits. Maybe you should open a thread on all these your animosity about pastor chris for once. Let's see how right you really are.you don't even know the man. You work with rumours and other peoples account.you went to school . Why don't you a concrete investigation. I know what I can do to catch a fake. let law enforce errs swing into action. 

I haven't spoken about the idea that winning souls for you is getting more people to come to CE rather than their lives changing.

See how carnal you can be. Do you know the structure of CEC by which lives are changed? In prayers , fasting , indepth studies of the word and trainings for work of ministry.

Adolf Hitlers service uniform was more compelling than your suits and he'd have used chris to wipe the floor when it came to oratory - was he a man of God too?

leave sentiments aside, who's talking about oratory?

Its about fruit, not words. His sermons on TBN are quite interesting but the show put on to deliever them is sickening - they show a man seeking adulation, respect and a status amongst men. He pampers, preens, makes you feel good.

He is called to preach the good news, not judgement and condemnation. If God is happy with him , leave him alone. The messages of condemnation you have been hearing , has it changed you? The filth you spue out of your mouth on thus forum shows that the judgemental messages you have been hearing does not change a man. you need some rhapsody .

Tell us ONE prophet in the Bible who's way was not "rebuke" and "insult"?

God didn't call us to insult . Which prophet insulted? We can rebuke but not insult. But how can you who is so filthy in communication want to determine how a minister should deliver his sermon. - like you? No thanks!

We can use the word to rebuke. But there is platform for different things, pastor chris is a disciplinarian. But not on tv. Internal matters are dealth with internally. You don't know the man.

Which of the Apostles were self-serving? Even Jesus Himself didn't seek superstar status. Watch your chris on TV and PLEASE mute the volume - you'll know its staged entertainment. But even forget the entertainment part - think of the effect on the lives of people. You, Joagbaje, are personally are tied down to him - is that the freedom Christ promised? to be bound to someone and forced to defend error?

If pastor chris is a little bit concerned about defence. He has enough money , machinery and people  to over run this website. I have watched Nairaland for years until I took interest to register . I didn't  identified with CEC TOPICs at first . Until we were doing a thread on tithe by ttonye. And I mentioned I'm a partner with Creflo dollar , TBN and pastor CHRIS. People have asked of my church before and I refused to answer. But when someone confroted if I were in christ embassy I didn't deny but gradually when I saw many lies against the ministry, I had to make posts to clear those lies.

But lets start here  - answer (not evade) Enigma's question above AND then SirJohns which is [1] are you saying the devourer has been rebuked for your sake and thus loss, disaster etc do not come to you? [2] What then is the gain of tithing you have that he lacks?

Ok I will.

Genesis 1:2
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness[ was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Bible explains bible. Jeremiah gave account of what led to the recreation .

Jeremiah 4:23-26
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo,[ it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they[ had] no light. 24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25 I beheld, and, lo,[ there was] no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [/b]26 I beheld, and, lo, the [b]fruitful place[ was] a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord,[ and] by his fierce anger.

There were once men , birds , animal and light in the before the six day of Adam.


Genesis 1:28
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,

To "re-plenish" means to fill it up the second time. That means the earth was once inhabited.

These are bible verses and not mans addition. And I think the man addition I'm seeing here is the CHICK PUBLICATION CARTOONS! They have printed many errors in time past.

Let me explain the recreation issue.

We discussed this in another thread. Genesis 1:1 deals with a perfect world with it's social structures . But that world was destroyed by a flood after the fall of lucifer. This affected the heaven and the earth. In verse 2 of genesis 1. God began a recreation . That's what I mean by recreation. Because God began to re-create what was there before. Sun moon , trees etc

Rhino.3dm:
Now genesis is a book of re-creation sounds like shifting the goal post in the middle of the game.

Pls let's avoid modifying another persons post. I didn't say the book of genesis was a book of recreation. I said what happened in the the six day was a recreation. And if anyone didn't. Understand it, he should rather ask for further explanation.

Enigma:
^^^ Which "church" did the Ethiopean eunuch belong to?

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The ethiopean eunuch was a converted proselyte before but now got converted to Christianity and took the gospel to Ethiopia

SirJohn:
And show me just one place in scripture where it says I must belong to a church!!

The bible is clear on a Christian participation in a local church. And being submitted to spiritual leadership. Because the "pastors" and the ministry gifts are given to the church to perfect the saints.

 Ephesians 4:11-12
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Every pastor is not your pastor but the one you are submitted to and obey. He is the one who watch over your soul.

 Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that[ is] unprofitable for you. 

Freelance Christianity is unspiritual. You have to be raised by someone. He gives account of you.

SirJohn:
And what makes you think that because some eloquent dude puts on cream suite he qualifies as a minister of Christ??

And what makes you think that someone eloquent putting on a creAm suit is not qualify as a minister. What is your idea of minister? -You? Or nuclearboy. Let's leave sentiments apart. Either you guys like pastor chris face or not. If you are wrong in your belief, have your thought about the effect?

OLAADEGBU:
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Mr adegbu, can you throw light on your post?

@newme

newmi:
come let us leave this Christ embassy people alone l have been taught not to speak wrongly of God's people. In my church we don't speak wrongly of christ embassy or anyother becos God has not granted us that jurisdiction.

It their fruit . I would have loved to ask "which pastor brought these guys up?" but. I realised they are. Not under any pastor. So what do you expect of sheep without shepherd. I heard some quoting Paul on how to rebuke etc. It's very dangerous to be ignorant of scriptures.

Paul will never tell brethren to rebuke a pastor or anyone who occupies an anointed office. It's against the word. A senior persor can rebuke junior. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees because Jesus was an apostle an anointed. Paul rebuked also because he had higher calling. He was anointed into an office. When Paul mistakenly rebuked or insulted the high priest . He had to appologise and admitted it was wrong to rebuke a man in office. Because the high priest occupied the two offices that God talked about. He was a political leader and spiritual leader of people. I believe it's more of the political office that Paul had to apologise probably.

Paul warned timothy not to rebuke an elder. But what we dealing with here is not even a rebuke . But insult upon a man of God abuses. The only people that can do that are sheep without . Loose cannons. Despite the fact that God had warned against such.you don't even abuse a Christian , not to talk about a minister of Jesus .

2 Peter 2:10-12
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous[ are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

 Jude 1:8-10
8 Likewise also these[ filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 


A real christian will not speak again spiritual leaders or political leaders. He says we should pray for kings and for men of God. But to these guys, To them it's sport. To laugh and wash down churches and ministers. If they had had a pastor he would have raised them well in the sound word. If you don't agree with another persons conviction , face your own. It is Christ that handles his ministers.

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Ask them how many among these guys can say, this is my church or this is my pastor?

@Rhino3dm
Your introduction on faith was fair enough,especially recognising the fact that the topic is broad. Heberew 11 gave a straight definition .

Hebrews 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith can also be defined The response of our spirit to the word of God.we can say also that it is seen the unseen and acting by it. Trust in the word of God is great ingredient of faith.

KunleOshob:
Not only is your understanding of scriptures poor and pathetic,

Many nairalanders will disagree with you dude.

your knowledge of I.T is also amazingly shallow.

Notifications are sent automatically and NOT by moderators. The system automatically sends notifications to you if there is a new comment on any thread you have commnted on, however some of the notifications is filtered as "spam" by yahoo or whatever account you are using so the notification might not appear in yur inbox all the time. Some of them end up in your spam box.

You should have just hit the nail on the head . That's what the moderators ought to have said. Well I should have said thank you but , your abuses have robbed you of it, since you look for opportunity to bú another person. No offence anyway . We can't expect much politeness from an unsaved man. On the other hand , I don't even know how true your information is because I don't trust you.

Anyway thanks for nothing.

SirJohn:
Sorry to burst your bubble Jo  , Its not for nairaland consumption, same with several other things I've kept back. they're all for my grand plan.
I believe the people I requested for their emails or cellphone numbers will make good friends, I've spoken with some of them today including my friend from SA. Lovely people!!

What bubble are you bursting. Coward dude. I see how you guys edify the church of christ .

2 Peter 2:10
10 And particularly those who walk after the flesh and indulge in the lust of polluting passion and scorn and Presumptuous[ and] daring[ self- willed and self- loving creatures]! They scoff at and revile dignitaries( glorious ones) without trembling,

I feel sorry for you. We are building the body of christ. Your gate of hell can't prevail against it.

SirJohn:
@KunleOshob, Claus, Nuclearboy, Siyanda.N, May I have your email addy or cellphone numbers?
Thanks

@ Sirjohn why making it secret. Make it open nawn! . Ye ye! Congregation of cowards! .

Claus:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I believe Jesus was more interested in a person's heart than in their finances, that's why Jesus looked favourably upon the widow who gave two mites, as well as the centurion who was involved in a "heavy financial project".

He has our heart already, but he is also concern with the physical demonstration of our heart love.

2 Corinthians 8:5
5 Nor[ was this gift of theirs merely the contribution] that we expected, but first they gave themselves to the Lord and to us[ as His agents] by the will of God[ a entirely disregarding their personal interests, they gave as much as they possibly could, having put themselves at our disposal to be directed by the will of God] --

My take is that, as is the case with IPPC, if the value of money is the measure we use for a person's heart, then we will exclude people that Jesus would have included.

I agree , but I said earlier that the finical commitment was only considered , just because of space. We are growing faster than our facilities. That's why a big campground is our solution. We used to have leaders conference,or ladies and men in ministry, it's for every body.  It was more like a holy competetion of which church came with highest number of persons . But when we outgrew every know facilities  . Attendance had to be cut down hence the new measure. Of registration. It's a temporary thing , till a bigger facility is put in place. There are other meetings we had to stop also. For example we used to have annual campmeeting for the entire ministry . It stopped 2001 . We even had to borrow the use of redeem camp! 

BTW, I used to attend IPPC, but no one ever asked for my giving. I guess the cost of my plane ticket from London was enough proof of my commitment. There were people arguably more commited than I was that couldn't afford it though.

You are correct . But the person that couldn't make it down would not need to feel bad.   Even now, due to more growth with the exploits or regions like south africa.  The south African are wonderful . They started churches everywhere.  Namimbia, Zimbabwe etc. They are hungry for God. New zones had to be created in that region as pastor chris announced during this month communion service. Now  we are confronting more thousands coming for conference. The target for churches had to be cut down the more. So now even if you meet financial target, it's no guarantee you will attend.so many that are qualified would still be able to register. So if a church has space for only 200 . The first two hundred to register will go. It's first come first serve. But for others who will not go , there is provision to participate online and through out satellite station. So no one is losing out.

@zikky

Jo, you dey try walahi. The way dem dey hit here, you suppose don remove all links to NL from your computer. E be like you don develop thick 'kpomo' to the barrage of insults you dey receive here. I know you are a controversial guy, but am not so sure you deserve so much insult, well maybe a little

You should know I'm not offended by personal insults , and once I mark someone as unnecessarily insultive I don't even read the person posts not to talk of responding.

But a note of warning to those who are insulting the man of God ( pastor chris). You should know it's a curse to do such.
 
Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

This goes for rulers and men of God. If you have been in CEC , one of the thing pastor chris will tell you. Don't ever find yourself attacking men of God and political rulers such as governor or president  either with your mouth or pen.

Paul once made a mistake by insulting someone in the court not knowing that the man was the high priest . Because he had asked someone to slap Paul .

  Acts 23:2-5
2 The chief priest Ananias ordered the men standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him,"God will strike you, you hypocrite! You sit there and judge me by Moses'Teachings and yet you break those teachings by ordering these men to strike me!"4 The men standing near Paul said to him,"You're insulting God's chief priest!"5 Paul answered,"Brothers, I didn't know that he is the chief priest. After all, Scripture says,'Don't speak evil about a ruler of your people.'"

Anyone who is wise should know, how to live men of God alone. More so when you don't know the motive of their actions. You judge wrongly and sin against God.

Psalms 105:15
15 Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.

Romans 14:4-5
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day[ alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

A word is enough for those who have ears. Christ knows how to build his church. Leave it for him.

@zikky

What about the greek woman in Mark 7:24-30? Was it segregation as well? How would you categorize this type of segregation?

Don't forget what I said at the initial post

God respond to us differently according to our faith, commitment, sacrifice,seed,and works of service.

Her faith made her stand out special. As I said above.

I don’t know why you believe Jesus went to the centurion’s house because of the money.

You're still making this sounding fleshly, by the highlighted phrase.as though Jesus had interest in his money. A man that can release money that others worship has accomplished something great.  Pastor chris once shared with us how he gave his first million. Even when the ministry was smaller . He was invited to another ministry ,on getting there he realised they were struggling to raise some money for a project. People were not responding.he was provoked in his spirit ,  He brought out his cheque book  and wrote a cheque for a million. He had not set eye yet on a million before. He be can to pray and put money together over the days . And the cheque finally went through. His said from that day he told himself " I AM A MILLIONAIRE". It is not getting money that makes you conquer but the giving of it. It is hard to let money go in the flesh. Ask annanias and saphira. It is easier to give a land than the money equivalent. Why did Jesus tell the rich man to sell all he had and give the money out. Why not tell him to give his belongings out rather. But to convert them to money and give the money takes a lot of faith.

And you say am the one with fleshy thoughts. Could it be that Jesus agreed to go just because of the centurions love for the Jewish people?.

No sir. Remember Cornelius, he was a Gentile too but he was a giver. Especially to the poor. There is something about the giver that cause the spirit of God to locate them. Remember what the angel told him:

Acts 10:4
4 ---Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

It's the giving that gets Gods attention.

That apart, it should interest you to note that the centurion did not go to Jesus for recognition. You should also read verses 7-9 of the Luke chapter.

There is no need . My point is clear. Nobody said Jesus want the guys money. We are looking at spiritual laws at work.

Jesus normally would not care about the gentile, his attention was the Jewish people. But he changed his mind on hearing that the man build a house for God. It was the giving that made way.

Luke 7:4-6
4 And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying,  5 For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue. 6 Then Jesus went with them.----

@claus

I believe the example you used here is not a fair one. You talked about Jesus essentially having an "inner circle". This "inner circle" wasn't based on money.

Inner circle is based on devotion and commitment. It could be money, time energy, availability and dependability.

The centurion's case is one where he needed healing for his servant, and the disciples convinced Jesus on his behalf because of the synagogue he built.

Ofcourse , that's a heavy financial project. He won Jesus respect. Because a man that could have used his money for other pleasures but rather  he used it to build house of worship. It reaveals the heart of such seeker.

Matthew 6:21
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Zikkyy:
Not that I support recognition, but I like to ask why you use cash as a basis for segregation? You would have succeeded in creating an elite club in the house of God.

It is fleshly to think so. So do you blame Jesus for segregation  when he had to go to a centurions house because  he funded synagogue building. There is something special about finances because of the mammon god. It makes people find it hard to serve God financially because they see it as waste . God is touched by a mans ability to break himself free From worship of mamon through his giving to God. The use of money in serving God is spiritual.

If am to rely on your response to mabell’s question, I will say these are the members pastor chris loves   So, what about the small givers, when are they going to receive their own blessing and impartation of the spiritual ability to prosper?

Their local pastor still impart them, they have local recognition as well in the local churches. So no outstanding person is missing out. Remember that the recognition is not on the bases of finance only. Teachers in foundation school are honoured , best students honoured, committed individuals etc. So no committed person is missing out . We celebrate with each other. Their is no unhealthy rivalry.

After they become wealthy enough to meet the minimum threshold for participation? You can see you are only blessing those already rich, or can afford to participate.

when a poor man learns to give , he will walk out of poverty. We live by the harvest of our giving.

Paul once told a man that was poor and started stealing  the secret. Work to " GIVE"

Ephesians 4:28
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with[ his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Nomaly , they say work for a living . But no we work to give. We live by our harvest and the word of God.

Yes, it’s a carnal way to reason, but it’s not zikkyy’s reasoning, it will be the reasoning of most participants at the IPPC event. Why would anybody want to be honored for a service to God? It’s because we like gratitude (not lack), we like the front seats, the high table, the seat of honor. You encourage it by holding the IPPC event to appreciate your big givers. It still comes down to the cash inflow. The belief that certain people need to be appreciated to ensure they don’t withdraw their support. If God is truly using these people to support the ministry, you don’t need the IPPC.

It's not your place to determine what a ministry needs. Don't tell me you don't have any recognition Event in your church?  

Paul had partners , Jesus had partners, and they encouraged the partners. It's a spiritual thing. Whoever doesn't see the spirituality is only working in senses.


Luke 8:3
3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod's administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples. 

Mark 10:29-30
29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

So what's negative here, just relax and do your meditation dear

SirJohn:
This will be the gazillionth time I'll be asking this:
You talked about benefits of tithing and I asked you:
1.What benefit do you enjoy as a tither that I SirJohn CANNOT enjoy?

Read Malachi and see some of it's benefit there. Windows of heaven etc.

2. Are you saying that as a tither you do not experience loss of any kind since the devourer is rebuked for your sake?

It depends on what you mean as losses,we don't lose.  but sure certain challenges may happen but they are for higher glory. Except it's due to our carelessness.

SirJohn:
'Pasitor' Joagbaje, should I conclude that you are deliberately avoiding my question?

If you have a question, simply ask it, instead of calling me names,

MBA emeka,
Leave this your Sylanderer or what did you call her they have bought ice cream for her to just sit in front of computer and type like a mad man. Things that make no sense.just like a puppet  

You have been scarce o , I misplaced your phone number pls send it again to my box.

@mabel
When Jesus came, he came for the Jews  and refused to heal the Gentiles . You can call Jesus partial if you like. 

Now concerning our financial participation. It's very important how we use our money to serve God. Despite the fact that Jesus would not minister to Gentiles , a man got Jesus attention because he built a place of worship . Jesus would not want to go but the disciples pressed on him by giving report that the man had built a house of worship. Did Jesus go? Yes he changed his mind.
 
 Luke 7:4-6
4 And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying,  5[b] For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.[/b] 6 Then Jesus went with them.----

The seed of the man made way for him. All through scriptures, men would give sacrificially are commended by God. So likewise we partners in ministry, are of value , not only to the ministry but to God as well.  Paul commended those who are his parners and speak good of them .

And here you find some covetous individual who can't give money out because it's their God. They worship it. And trying to judge us.

Money will continually be a servant to me. You don't conquer money by having it, yup conquer money by giving it. The christian prosperity is not for personal consumption but to use our wealth to serve god and our generation.

Its because of time . It was getting long I had to cut it short

Can you show from scripture where Christ or His apostles favored one person over another because he gave 100 a d the other gave 5? I can show Christ favoring a woman who gave little because of the spirit behind her giving rather than your volume considerations.

I didn't want to attend to this but just because Mabel asked me a question like that yesterday 

 

mabell:
@joagbaje
are you saying God is a partial God, i think you should throw more light on this

This is broad and may be lengthy but I will cut it short. God does not relate to everyone alike. Jesus also did not either.
God respond to us differently according to our faith, commitment, sacrifice,seed,and works of service. 

God has secrets , but his secrets is not with everyone.

Psalms 25:14
14 The secret of the Lord[ is] with them that fear him--- 


Well that apart. Jesus had about thousands that listened to him.But he didn't  teach them everything he taught the other disciples. Sometimes he even spoke in parables to them and give the interpretations to the few later in the day. You may call Jesus partial or selective.   He also had  120  committed disciples , among this 120 he had 70 that were closer to him which he found worthy to send out and gave them power over unclean spirits. Yet  among these 120 he had 12 apostles that were even closer to him to whom he expound every parables to.You may call Jesus partial here. He often took them aside to resort privately

 Mark 6:31-33
31 And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat. 32 And they departed into a desert place by ship privately.

John 18:2
2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

Among these 12 Jesus still had 3 which were yet closer .namely; Peter, James and John . They had their own special time together. They were the only one who saw his transfiguration, heard a voice from heaven. And jesus told them not to tell the others. You may call jesus partial here.

Yet among these 3 Jesus still had a bosom friend the on to whom he entrusted his mum Mary to for care. And that was John the beloved. He was the closest of all. He calls himself "THE DESCIPLE WHOM JESUS LOVE" I like that. There are things Peter wouldn't ask Jesus directly but rather go through John .he is the only one who would dare lay his head  on Jesus chest!  

 John 13:23-24
23 Now there was leaning on Jesus'bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

 John 21:20
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his bosom at supper,

That is why you can't play with the teachings of john and Paul. They knew the doctrine of the master. After resurrection when Jesus appeared and they couldn't recognise him, John was the only person that knew Jesus by his word.

 John 21:7
7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt[ his] fisher's coat[ unto him],( for he was unclothed,) and did cast himself into the sea.


It beats my mind why those who don't know Gods word or know their left from their rights start scrutinising  what they don't understand.  Whoever pastor christ chose for conference IS NONE 'O YA OWN BIZNESS, Get saved!

siyanda.N:
SATAN ALSO KNOWS THE SCRIPTURE FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END!!

But he doesn't have the revelations, he only knows the letters , just like you. Blind to truth.