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Sax man
The name of jehovah or yaweh is not an issue now.the name of yaweh can not bring salvation or healing . There is only one name now for salvation . It's the name of Jesus and the issue with his name is not in the spelling. But your revelation of the person of Jesus.

The question I would love to ask you is how much you know christ personally . Because most of the time , those who engage in theological jargons like this don't even know christ or the holyspirit. I have ministered to the sick and they got healed in the name of Jesus. I have cast devils out in the name of Jesus. Have you done any of those things in the name of yahudah or yaweh? . If you haven't , you should begging to listen to those whonhave the result.

@yommyuk

yommyuk:
@Joagbaje
So therefore, brethen, [b]stop the criticism and pray [/b]that God will continue to strengthen CCC to be able to accomplish that which God has prepared it for the edification of the body of Christ as a whole. We are part of the body of Christ and we continue to function therein. Believe or not.
God bless.

Don't have to get offended at my question . I'm not criticising you. I know much about cele. I even had had opportunity to be in oschoffa crusades in ibadan and portnovo as a child. Ive witness instant miracles through him so I know much about cele too, If you still remember my post last year:

The problem with CELESTIAL CHURCH  started with OSCHOFFA the late founder.  He allowed ungodly practices which became foundations and are now hard to change. especially after his death .I believe he was called of God, most Pentecostals may not agree with me, but hear me out.
In the days of the emergence of Cele, Africa was a dark continent  and a den of idolatry practices . God needed a counter power.  He began to call ordinary men. Farmers ,carpenters etc. Oschoffa was called in a spectacular way, with proof and mighty signs , He raised dead to life, Healed the sick. That was the best God could get from Africa .Many people were converted from idolatry to the church or to “Christ” but people soon began to desire physical things to put their faith on. So the church  allowed “parallel truths” replica of truth and idolatry. Candle and eggs to replace animal sacrifice, incense and all to replace ritualistic worship, water cleansing to replace ritualistic bath. palm front crosses to replace chrm and armulet. Rules  and laws like "touch not taste not." These were comfortable for the people of those days considering their background it wasn’t uncommon. The church  began to build on suggestions, “inspiration, revelation and prophesy,  There was a time of hope in the 60s when they used to have some bible classes, you must have your class card to be anointed , but all that stopped. 
Whenever truth is rejected ,men go after false value, like Aaron building “golden calf” in the days of Moses, Roman catholism too was born by the introduction of roman idols, and chaplets into the church, 
The word of God is our guide and judge. A man of God has to study the gospel to be sound. Miracles cant teach you the bible. Even prophecies are to be judged by the word, not by feeling or experience.

2 Tim. 2:15
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You judge visions, you judge doctrines and discern by the word.

Galatians 1:8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1 Cor. 14:29  says “ Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge”.

 It is not everything Oschoffa received that was inspired by God. But anything goes where there is no soundness of teaching.  In Celestial church there is or was no understanding of the difference between old testament and new. That is why most of the ritualistic deeds have their references in the Old testament laws. Now you may want to quote for me that there was reference to candle in  the temple in book of revelation.  but you must know that its cetainly npot refering to this wax candle stick made from fat but lampstands which was powered by annointing oil made from olive tree (ex 30:20) but i dont want to go into that now. For example Celes goes barefoot because God told Moses and Joshua to remove their shoe because the ground was holy ground. But  jesus that we follow and Paul wore shoes even inside the holy temple. Do you follow Moses experience or Jesus .

Col. 2:20-23 
    Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, [21] (Touch not; taste not; handle not; [22] Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? [23] Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Many in Cele today don’t understand what salvation is,  though many really love God from their hearth but  faith comes only by “hearing and hearing by the WORD”,
Paul commended the  church that had bible study culture

Acts 17:11
 , ”   These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

In a nutshell “THE PROBLEM WITH CELESTIAL” is the foundation.
Oschoffa did a great job , he walked faithfully in the little light he had.  Tb Joshua had similar call, Orimolade, even the founder of RCCG people not so educated but they gave room to improvement.

So my concern is that we ought to judge everything according to truth.many of the problem in cele comes from this j'isé thing by prophets. And that's what I suspected in this pope John Paul story. Just as you confirm below in your post:

I am a bit surprised that you ask such a question from me. This was a testimony of one of the parishes which was read out to our hearing during church service. One of many!

This was  my concern. A prophet may not be accurate . We judge accuracy of prophecies by Gods word. I'm yet to see in the bible where the dead had dealings with the living.

It is well

All marriages are recognise by God. Is just like naming ceremony. But since marriage of Christians is divine institution , the church is the place where Christian should marry. But which ever way someone may have married, God recognise it.
It's biblical to name and dedicate your child in Gods house . But whatever name you bear, even if it's from idols house, God still recognise it and call you by it

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^i think i was clear, i won't be any clearer sorry.

Keep your sorry to yourself my dear. If you don't have any meaningful thing to contribute to a thread as usual due to your emptiness , you should at least hide your folly by being quiet ,instead of insulting someone making meaningful contribution.

Proverbs 17:28
28 Even a fool when he holds his peace is considered wise; when he closes his lips he is esteemed a man of understanding.

Moderators,
Sometimes I get alert, other times I don't. So I miss some threads, I want to know if the alert is automated or selectively done. Thanks

@yommyuk

We have also been able to help Pope Paul John II to gain entrance into the tenth heaven. He came to our church on May 8th 2005 to tell us that he was refused entrance into heaven when he died and he should come to our parish for assistance because he caused their seven candle stand to be cancelled thereby canceling the closeness of their church to God. He was told to come to our parish to learn from us the knowledge of the names of the seven spirits of God which the seven candle-stand represents and which is the soul of the church according to Revelation 4. He strongly appealed to us to teach him and we did so. He told us that they cancelled the seven candle-stand which represents the God-Head because people told them that there is only one God without taking note of Genesis 1:26-and 27.

We taught him the names of the seven Holy Spirits in the God-Head in Revelation 4 whom Catholics do refer to in their song;

After we have taught him, he went away. The discussion he had with us through our prophetess was duly recorded with our cassette recorders. He later came back to meet the Golden Father who told him to go and ask for forgiveness of his sins and HE mentioned the sins to him. He did not agree but Pa Oshoffa descended and explained to him. He later came back to meet Jesus Christ in the premises of our parish who confirmed the sins to him before he agreed. He also told him to go and see to it that the seven candle-stand be re-instated in Rome. They detailed one strong heavenly father to assist him to do this by appearing to Pope Benedict XVI in his dreams. He had been able to do this. In Rome they have re-instated the altar of three candle-stands for Holy Mary for the dedication of man. Equally, the altar of seven candle-stand with candles burning on them for the spiritual worship of God the creator of heavens and earth has been re-instated. He came back on the Sunday 26th of August 2007 to inform us about this development. He also told us that he is now in the 10th heaven. He called the names of the seven spirits of God on the throne of God.

Anybody who is psychic and spiritual will be seeing the heavenly hosts as they are descending into our church in form of FIRES and FLAMES OF FIRES everyday. Multitude of them descended on Sunday 26th August to worship with us. GOLDEN FATHER who is the only CAUSE (The only ALFA ET OMEGA) comes down always. Through us He has Goldenised all the heavens, the hierarchies and the kingdoms. The kingdom of heavens are different from the kingdom of God [Mathew 19:22-23]. As these holy spirits descend they introduce themselves to us individually by giving us their names and where they are situated in the heavens. We have collected a lot of names from them. Even these heavenly beings and Gods ask our prophets and prophetesses to draw their pictures for us to see. And they always ask us to show the pictures to them to confirm whether the pictures are their semblances or not.

This post of yours is very strange. How did you come about this? How did pope John pau who has died come back to celestial churchbto learn. Did you see his ghost? Pls explain

@kaecy

kaecy5:
u rehearse almost all the time, u scout for songs, u look for songs that have copyright infringement and write to the owners b4 u can play them

Pls enlighten me here. Do you mean you have to take permission before performing some christian songs in US ?

Fi wá sílè

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A false teacher, two atheists and a free/enslaved lance human. Satan must be alive and well hia

Pls explain yourself

Quote from: Joagbaje on October 14, 2010, 11:13 AM
Receive doesn't come through giving. It's a law.

Zikkyy:
Please can you educate me sir.

What I meant was that receiving doesn't come but through giving. I've corrected it

@ Donnie ,
I hail Oo. I'm getting ready big time . To receive fresh impartation of ability.
For syanda well, vie not had time to reply his/her last rubbish posted. I hope I will have time today.

Pronounciation of a name can change due to the alphabeth and the tongue of another culture. The the Hebrews don't have "J" they use "y" for "J" in their alphabeth while the Greek use "J" instead of "Y" so Joseph is yoseef in Hebrew . That's why theirs is difference in the pronunciation of the original name of God. It doesn't matter really because , spiritually, it is not the pronunciation that matters but the revelation you have of the name. "Jesus " in Greek is yashua in heberew . But I have cast out devils in the name of Jesus and they obey me by coming out. Some Yoruba ministers have cast out devil in the name of "Jesu" and it comes out. God is not bothered by the different to tongues or pronunciation . And Hausa man can cast out devils in the name of "yesu" according to his tongue.

It's always advisable when seeking counsel to give certain details. E.g are they born again Christians? Are they committed in a local church. Under what circumstance did they divorce? All these are important. Every case has it's peculiarity, they can marry under certain circumstance and it also may not be advisable under another circumstance. The pastor will be the best person to admonish on this.

Matthew 5:32
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

This scripture is not applicable to all situations. There are cases whereby God permit devorce. E.g . Differences in faith etc. But your pastor is the bedtime person to judge such matters by the word and spirit.

ogoamaka99:
@nuclearboy,
My good friend nuclear the BOY where are you?. I never hear from you.

Maybe he has committed the unpardonable sin

ogoamaka99:
@ poster,
   It is evident that your post clearly show that you are possessed and need deliverance. I advice you to visit TB or PST Chris for your deliverance.

@ogoamaka , I don't even want to reply him , he is not worth it.This is another tsunami jimanjiiii.some claim  The miracles are fake other says they are real but it's  devil power. Confusion in devils camp

John 7:12
12 And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people.

KunleOshob:
CEC for example is notorious for receiving stolen money from it's members an they constantly put their members under pressure to give money to them at all cost, this puts the mebers under pressure and pushes so of them to commit crimes just to give to the church.

You a liar! Nobody put anyone under pressure. What's your source of misinformation ? Have you been in CEC before?. And how many times have you heard pastor chris on Tv talking about money? He simply teaches us of the life in christ. Dominion in life etc. You know your lies don't sell again as at other time dude. Nobody has Kunle time . One of the most unstable human beign.

And we are all witnesses to how pastor agabje has defended this wicked act several times on this forum

Go to bed bro. Do something worthwhile with your life and your time.

siyanda.N:
Joagbaje - You are a foolish guy you ASK me why I QUOTE: There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." Deuteronomy 15:11 BUT you let Chris lie to you and QUOTE Malachi 3:10 UNBELEIVEBALE. When he quotes Malachi you JUMP for JOY because you want to FEED your GREEDY Lust for money. HYPOCRITE

So who is quoting Malachi ? You bump scripture with scriptures. To survive your failed campaign. Don't tell me you don't tithe too. You guys have seared your souls with iron.

a christian is not under the law .tithe was instituted before the law. We don't tithe because the law says so, we tithe because we love God and appreciate him. It's our worship. It's a principle for prosperity for us.

Galatians 5:4
"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace".

Galatians 3:11
"So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

Hebrew 8:7
for if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor

Galatians 3:14 Because of Christ's atoning sacrifice, everyone Jew and Gentile could receive the same blessing that Abraham received by faith.

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Romans 8:32
"He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?"

junk junk junk. Who says we should keep the law? you've not even heard pastor chris teaching at all.

Jesus kept all 613 laws perfectly. The body of Christ is justified and in right standing with God based on the payment Jesus made at the Cross.

Giving is an act of worship but to teach that paying God is how to get your God to Bless you and give you His favor-(Grace), takes away from the payment Jesus made on the Cross to freely give us all things.

While we were still sinners (without strength) Christ died for us. His payment on the Cross what gives us favor and access to God. Because of Jesus, God freely given all things Romans 8:32.

The fact that God has given all things doesn't make all things manifest. He has given us legally but for you to receive and experience the vital aspect of it, there are steps of faith to take. Receive doesn't come but through giving. It's a law. What do you say about those scriptures I quoted in my earlier post?

Luke 6:38
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. 

2 Corinthians 9:6
6 But this[ I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

 Galatians 6:6-7
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 


Pls explain these scriptures for us.

@siyanda
I really don't know what your trouble is what do you want to achieve with all your lies. You just create for yourself a false idea of CEC and want to sell it.

siyanda.N:
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." 1 Timothy 6:9-10 . For some reason CE members EXCLUDE themselves from this verse.

We don't skip any potion of scriptures. If you use the rhapsody as devotional , you will read through the entire bible in one year, verse by verse.so if follow the rhapsody guide properly for 4 years it means you would have read the entire bible four good times! So why do you lie to give impression as though some verses are forbidding? We teach the whole counsel of God my dear.

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9. We do not DOUBT that we are saved nor do we do anything than what this verse says. We do nothing to obtain salvation except confess and believe.

CE memebers are told that they are the righteousness of God, and they like to quote this scripture for them "Therefore there is now NO condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1.

What else do you need to get righteousness than by faith. Righrteousness can not be attained by works . It's a gift

Romans 5:17
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

This is one the reason CE members reject sin and  repentance teachings because of this verse. You will ALSO nitice that they do NOTHING else to get their righteousness SINCE they RIDE this verse.

there is nothing else you need to get righteousness. You don't make people stop sin by teaching on sin."SIN IN THE CAMP" you can only make people feel bad emotionally but it doesn't grant them ability to live right. Every child of God knows sin is wrong.  They need to know who they are in christ. They are kings , they are righteousness. The old life is gone.

To deal with sin or wrong habit, What we teach people is to walk in the spirit. that's how they dominate sin.that's what the bible teaches. See it for yourself.

Galatians 5:16
16[ This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not [/b]fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Now here is the mystery.

[b]"Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver." Proverbs 8:18, 19

We read on the above scripture that Durable riches and righteousness are with God. However CE members are despoiling the righteousness part of this scripture and are totally AWARE that they are righteous and NEED not do anything about it, nor tithe to get it, nor sow to get it, nor give to get, SAME goes with salvation, they DO NOTHING after confessing.

What nonsense are you saying? What's really your point. Are you planing to sow to get righteousness. Who's teaching you that junk! You receive it by faith. You do right because you have the nature to do right.

HOWEVER, they dont really believe that riches can also come that easily.  That you DO NOTHING are believing what the word of God says about riches.

Proverbs 8:18 God says Riches and honour are with me, DURABLE riches and righteousness.

This man tells you, you are saved by the Grace of God, He tells you you are righteous bcuss the scripture says so, BUT he tells you to WORK by giving, sowing, to get RICHES. Meanwhile the REST comes free!

People open your eyes God gives freely, He blesses freely we NO longer need to do anything to obtain His favour.

There is grace in giving, jesus taught it. Paul taught it

Luke 6:38
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. 

2 Corinthians 9:6
6 But this[ I say], He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

 Galatians 6:6-7
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 

Go to the foundation school, your post is too elementary , you were never in CEC. MY DEAR

"Then [Jesus] said to them, 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'" Luke 12:15
Now, I know he is telling you that he is spreading the gospel of Christ. Well,  I dare you to ask Chris "WHO IS HIS TARGET MARKET??" His target market are the people who can afford to pay for a cable. His target market are middle and high class LSM who can afford to give to his ministery.

Your mind is very carnal and dirty. How can you say such things about the works of God. Were you there when pastor cgris started years ago as far back as 80s holding crusades in villages . All we do is about men's salvation. " target market" what a carnal use of word.

Now lets look at this verse: "There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land." Deuteronomy 15:11

Ask yourselves How is Chris helping curb this Instead he is so greedy wanting to be like the rest of the prosperity teachers who own Jets, live in mansions and drive expensive cars "in the name of he is blessed and if you foolish peopel want to be like him he tells you to give to him!!

Why quoting Deuteronomy dude? Is that a message for the church. Why not quote Paul?. God has answered for Deuteronomy by sending Jesus.

Luke 4:18
18 The Spirit of the Lord[ is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor----

What the poor need is the message of the gospel , to know their dominion over poverty  and what provusion God has for them and that's what you guys are criticising .

2 Corinthians 8:9
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

"I know how to live on almost nothing or with everything. I have learned the secret of contentment in every situation, whether it be a [b]full stomach or hunger, plenty or want; for I can do everything God asks me to with the help of Christ who gives me the strength and power." Philippians 4:12-13 [/b]  This is how God wants you to live "in content". God is wise and I am sure He would have told us that there will be a time when we would need to give to him so that His gospel can be spread AND SORRY but there is NOTHING like that in scripture. This is the NEW gospel that these false prophets invented.

So you chose the hunger rather the full stomach. If you understand pastor chris that's what he teaches . To be independent of circumstances. Your understsnding if the bible is so terrible . You were never in CEC.

ogajim:
I guess Pastor JoAgbaje can't answer my question,

Follow Jesus Christ's examples and not that of a man like you and me.

You raised the issue.I didn't say Jesus passed offering bag. If he did or not let's leave it for another thread. Don't misplace my point . My point based on the topic here is that you cannot blame pastors for not scrutinizing what people give to God in their churches. I only use Jesus as an example, people gave him money and other things , if you will not blame Jesus for collection without question even from a prosti-tute then you should not hold any pastor responsible for what people give, how many hours will the church spend asking each giver , where did you get this money? Jesus didn't teach that, neither Paul . So why are we creating a new doctrine on human ideology.

KunleOshob:
^^^
Even for oyaks to distribute his so called free indepence rapshody of errors, he has to milk his members to pay for it and of course the contract for the printing of the filthy pamphlets goes to his printing company were he profits from it handsomely. He also gets he promote his brand and personality based on the seeds of the deluded partners scammed into financing his personal aggrandisement.

Critics are never satified. So What do you expect? Angels from heaven to pay the bills? The Gideon bibles circulated in every hotel all over the world have you asked if it's printed free in the press. People paid to sponsor them. We are doing something to bless a generation . What else do you do worthwhile outside criticism and personality attacks. This is simply envy because you are unknown. When you begin to make impact. Heaven and earth will celebrate you.

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje
I don't condenm the poor people that have been manipulated to believe in tithes, it is people like you and your pay master oyaks that manipulate scritures to justify the fraudulent version of tithes being preached today that the scriptures condenm and I stand by the teachings of christ in condenming fraud using his name.

You should rather work on the salavtion .

ps: that aside I would really appreciate it if you stop this false posturing of being a giver. It is clear from your profession and the false doctrines you preach in your so called church that you are a beneficiary of the scam. You are a receiver and NOT a giver. It is also well documented that your church is notorious for receiving stolen money yet you a so called pastor is shameless enough to defend it and quoting irrelevant scriptures as above to defend the digusting act. May God have mercy on your soul.

You get into sentiments when you have nothing tangible to say, I am a tither and not a tithe collector. I believe in tthing and it's working mightily .I have been tithing from my child hood. I'm raising my kids in it according the word. Even if they don't understand it fully.

One day your eyes will be opened to truth.

ogajim:
Pastor JoAgbaje: Could you please show us Scriptural references where Jesus passed the "offering" basket around

John 12:6
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

What bag? Money bag. What was put therein ? Money ofcourse

KunleOshob:
^^^^
Mr Agbaje, i know your problem so i won't bother to respond to the hubris you just wrote above. You and i know very well that once the false and fraudulent doctrine of tithes is removed from your business you and Oyaks are very likely to go bankrupt. But then again Oyaks has diversified to differents areas of business and scamming so he might get by. but you you might be forced to get a decent job and stop living off the sweat of others. It is criminal to say that "tithing is part of God's plan for financial security" whilst there is nowhere in the bible were tithing was financial or monetary. I won't bother to go into details cos i have shown you over and over again on this forum that tithing the way it is preached and interpreted today has no biblical basis i.e it is a doctrine of man derived from manipulating God's commandements to the ancient Israelites which was NEVER carried forward into christianity by Jesus nor the apostles. But only emerged in christianity several centuries after the apostles had departed. I know you know the truth but your love for filthy lucre would not allow you admit the truth

Stop attacking ministers , it is one thing not to believe in something , it is another thing not to accept others that believe in it. How much is tithe? Just ten percent, people are Giving lands,cars and houses for the gospel. Why this bias of yours. If anyone gives tithe ,he gives for his own benefit. My tithe is the smallest part of my giving. I give far more than my tithe to God I don't even feel I give something by paying tithe. I may get a 100,000 now and decide to give everything , the tithe is only 10,000 ! We have given cars , and all for gospel sake. How much is 10% ! All I have belong to christ.

Everyone should work by his conviction. If you refuse to tithe, I should condemn you . And you too should not condemn those who believe in tithe. You are bringing ridicule to the body of christ by you actions

It is not the place of the pastor to question people sources of blessing.The pastor place is to teach people the word. It is left for them to obey. But if a pastor gets to know , a member has a wrong lifestyle, he brings him to order by teaching,correction and rebuke. Don't add to the bible. Did Jesus question the offerings he received? He even received perfume from a known love-peddler.

Luke 7:37
37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that[ Jesus] sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

Why did Jesus accept perfume bought with Prost-titution? Where is discerning of spirit Of apostle Paul ?.Why do you guys just speak about what you dont know and acting as though you know something?

KunleOshob:
The bible provides answers to your questions.
monetary tithes is a good example of "clever lie" highlighted above.

Romans 16:17-18:
17 And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

You are the one pasting lies here. The scripture you are quoting is not about tithes. Tithing is part of Gods plan for financial security for us. Tithes and offerings were instituted before the law. As long there is a high priest , there will be tithing. Why is your emphasis always on tithing what of offering? They go together my brother.