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@nuclearboy This is the age of tbe gentiles and Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles . The grace of God had left Israel , until the gentile age is over. So right now, the church of christ is officially a gentile affair. I know you lack that knowledge. Should I give you the scriptures,?you know I have them plenty. |
nuclearboy:Apostle Paul is our foudational apostle, he wasn't married . Why are you married? . I'm just trying to make you see the foolishness of your question. But you were not man enough to answer straight by your hypocrisy. Im not letting you go o. You must follow your idea of paul. You must not marry, and if you're married you must become single. You must be poor like your Paul. Do you drive ? Or you hope to drive one day? Forget the idea. You should treck for the rest of your life. ![]() And the church shall say----- |
nuclearboy:Quote your source of information. Where did CEC say so and where did your bible say otherwise. Why not follow the example of the Apostles if you believe what they believeAre you married? Or intend to. Why not follow The apostles by being single? again, what is the basis of your alternative gospel where the poor give to the richWho says poor should give to the rich?. The poor should give to God. |
Genesis 24:63 63 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide:-- Meditation was one of the secrets of men of old and fathers of faith in their walk with God. Many Christians are yet to understand the power of meditation. This is not reading of bible. The word for meditation has three levels 1. To muse 2. To mutter 3. To roar. I will discuss these latter by Gods grace. The verities of God will not come to pass in your life just because it has been written. Lack of meditation can make prophecy or prayers not to come to pass.Whe you muse or meditate on the word or on prophecy or your inward inheritance and abilities , It will take over your entire being and the result will be mind blowing. Joshua 1:8 8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. Paul had imparted abilities to Timothy the young pastor, but that's not a guarantee that those things must come to pass Timothy needed one more thing to those abilities manifest he must take time out to do what the fathers of faith did. "MEDITATION" 1 Timothy 4:14-15 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. Pastor chris admonish us to spend at least 30 minutes daily to meditate on the word. Waoh! 30 minutes . Start today. You are a success. |
manmustwac:Sorry what I really mean is that, I don't get notifications for every posts made on some threads. And by this I miss out of some posts I should have responded to. I only want to know if I'm supposed to get notifications for every post on every thread I'm part of or moderators just send notifications once in a while randomly or if moderators only send notifications only concerning posts that they require such poster response .thanks |
@zikky Zikkyy:I meant many africans lack gratitude. I've corrected it . I’ve heard of instances where people stopped giving in church after the MOG decided to do away with the recognition bit.Your statement is suspicious. What Mogs . And if it's true that MOGs do recognition, why would pastor chris recognition be termed with names? I now understand the need for IPPC, the church need the cash inflow.You can not understand Gods vision in a ministry by your assumption. You assumed in the flesh. Several pastors all over the world are campaigning on tv for funds " IF YOU DONT SEND IN YOUR CONTRIBUTION THIS PROGRAMME WILL BE OFF AIR" etc. But you won't find pastor chris doing that. But God had told him he is providing for every vision he gives him. It's easy to beg on air,If pastor chris calls for money on NTA , millions will respond to it. but pastor chris won't do that. There is a divine instruction. I am not condemning those who beg for money on tv.I'm only clearing the issue you raise. So it's not about money. These are fivers already, they are not beign made givers. It's opportunity to bless them, impart them with spiritual ability to prosper etc I can't be discussing details I hope you also understand the risk here, some people will give just to be part of the program, because they want to ‘mingle’ with chris & CE ‘big boys’, get that ‘godly’ handshake. .That's a carnal way to reason it. I give with joy. Only few receives such handshake, Im not looking for a hand shake but the grace ,teaching,impartation of the spirit. The word of prayer alone is enough for me. So it's carnal to reason the way you are going about it. Most of the times , it's someone else that even presents such awards and shake hands not necessary pastor chris. In CEC . we celebrate with those who are honoured . Paul says "--rejoice with them that rejoice----" Giving then would no longer be for the joy it brings or the love for the gospel. To these people, you would have done more harm than goodOur givings are done in joy. And we give out of love for God. And if anyone gets motivated to win award ,it's not out of place . It's still scriptural . Jesus was motivated by end result to endure the cross,Jesus motivated his disciples also , even of earthly reward. Paul also was motivated,by the crown. He motivated his followers also and us to win crown as well. So all these are based on spiritual truth. Galatians 6:9-10 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 There is a godly competition , whoever excel more is celebrated by all. We are brothers. But that is by the way. |
@Zikky Quote from: Joagbaje on Today at 03:31:27 PM Zikkyy:You don't relate to everyone on the same level. God does not relate to everyone on the same level, Jesus did not relate to everyone on the same level. Some people are stands out by commitment and this makes them special. When God calls a man of God , gives him an assignment, their are certain individuals that God will use to bear the burden with him and those who recognise that callings are special. Such people that have bought into such vision should be well handeled, encouraged and appreciated. Many Africans dont like gratitude. Pastor chris always teach us to appreciate, our parents, bosses, even employees! He says we should learn to say thank you! Even to the house girl that give you water! Jesus had many disciples . But herelated with them differently according to how vital they were to him. So having opportunity to say thanks to partners and leader is a spiritual thing. We learn many principles of success in life in such meetings with pastor chris and also receive impartation of spiritual ability to prosper. |
Zikkyy:Where did I mentioned that I stay in Bayelsa ? |
Zikkyy:Partners conference is not for handshake , it's a place of refreshing in the holyghost , the recognition and award session it's only a part, you know many africans don't understand the language " GRATTITUDE" it's a spiritual courtesy . |
SirJohn:What's your question |
@ siyanda siyanda.N:You not answered me, I said in your new church, what is the pastors stand about tithes and offerings. What does he teach. And do you give offerings there? |
Syaaaanda, I asked you a question are you not man enough to answer?. |
mabell:That's Syanda for you . It's good everyone is seeing this. Imagine the dude claiming I say what I didn't say. Look at this for example: siyanda.N:Jeeesus ! I think Mabel you are right here. Where on earth did I say this? This guy is SICK! Or some demons are dancing on his head. |
@mabel mabell: ![]() Sirjohn already rated syanda as lesser than them, but he is still not ashamed to post nonsense . Watch your language sha so that you don't start drawing unnecessary fire of insult. |
Let syanda speak for himself. Pls. Why shielding his folly, he is tough and loud mouthed. So let him stand for himself. Your explanation is not proper . Except you will admit openly here that you are syanda. |
@syanda I'm still waiting for your response to my question. Don't try to dodge it with new post. I asked you a question before, in your new found church you are boasting about, do you tithe or give offering there? What does you new pastor teach about tithes and offering? What's his view. Please respond syanda. |
I try to ignore , but my iPad kept alerting me of new mail and post , as I peep in , I sidon. I should switch off my alert . I want to do some new threads and these posts are taking my time. |
SirJohn:Nobody forget anybodys work. It is not every scale that is recognise, if that should be done , a whole year will not be enough to recognise everybody. Recognition award used to be one night before, now five night are not enough, yet many things still had to be cut down for time sake. Restrictions had to be raised for those who stand out among others. Time and space will not allow everybody. Jesus had his restrictions with his disciples, he didn't relate with everybody on the same level. Call it segregation.there are times he call 12 out of the many aside, and tell them things he couldn't tell it her deciples. There are times he called only three of them and show them what he didn't show the twelve . These are spiritual things John. Did you ever think you will ever be on this other side of the fence chriticing the work of God ? some of them go as for as borrowing money to make up so they can attend and some of them don't go at all to avoid embarrasment.Nobody embarrass anybody. It's not by force, if anyone borrows money, it's due to his desire to be there. It's his faith. you wanna know about the N100,000? call your colleagues in Lagos, PH, Abuja etcwhen you go wrong admit it. You lied when you say 100,000. Admit it. You wanted kunle's sympathy and approval. Remember Kunle is yet to understand salvation, you are hardening his heart the more. Think twice .God will hold you responsible. |
KunleOshob:. You need to be born again to start with. So You are not in a place to scrutinise a church. There is no explanation that can suffice. 1 Corinthians 2:14 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know[ them], because they are spiritually discerned. We give God our best. We may start litle as our best , grace increase and we give bigger. The one that gives little gives his best, the one that give bigger gives his best too. If everyone is allowed to come. There would be no space. If pastor christ is as carnal as you think, he should have allowed all to come. More congregation more money! Is that not your philosophy ? . You should see your inconsistency here. If we talk of church growth and attendance , you say it's wrong it's because of money they gather many crowd. Now , crowd is restricted , you say they should allow more in. Because it's ---- ![]() Omo aráyé, e fé Pa kété kété ni? |
SirJohn:What are you talking dude? What's the meaning of the word " PARTNERSHIP" there has to be financial participation to make you a financial partner. Where did you get your 100,000 story from? |
@syanda I asked you a question before, in your new found church you are boasting about, do you tithe or give offering there? What does you new pastor teach about tithes and offering? What's his view. Please respond syanda. |
SirJohn:Ò 'n bú mi with style oo. Truth is not by gra gra. Those who had given up to 30,000 were qualified last year and this year the same thing. You left CEC how many years , yet you are more current with info , more than us who are here. Stop deluding yourself. It's not an issue even it's a million Naira. It's not by force, I stay back if I didn't give that much, but stop creating a lie to ridicule the church of christ. |
@syanda siyanda.N:Stop lying dude .Who's talking about salvation here.? This is the reason your gospel is FALSE, YOU CANNOT because someone gave more that others think they are COMMITTED TO THE THINGS OF GOD and they deserve a pat in the back! this is the FALSE teaching that Chris is leading many to HELL.)So are you saying Paul is false and Jesus is false for acknowledging those who go extra mile. Paul even said others should submit to them. 1 Corinthians 16:15-18 15 I beseech you, brethren,( ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and[ that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) 16 That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with[ us], and laboureth. 17 I am glad of the coming of Stephanas and Fortunatus and Achaicus: for that which was lacking on your part they have supplied. 18 For they have refreshed my spirit and yours: therefore acknowledge ye them that are such. It's carnal people like you that are always thinking money money, recognition in ministry is not only for financial partners but for every area of commitment, some are recognise for composing wonderful songs, others for leadership. Broadcasting, translations. But why is the money part your problem? Paul encouraged, instructed, and corrected! NEVER did Paul ever encourage people to give money to show commitment .Romans 12:8 8 He who exhorts( encourages), to his exhortation; he who contributes, let him do it in simplicity and liberality; he who gives aid and superintends, with zeal and singleness of mind; he who does acts of mercy, with genuine cheerfulness and joyful eagerness. It's greed and ignorance that is you guys problem .Everybody have their areas of grace in God. Some are called into the grace of giving, others have grace of leadership, Paul encouraged the giver to give. You don't know the scriptures dear . You only discredit yourself more by your ignorance. Any true christian KNOWS their reward is in heaven! Yours is in this world NOW! And when we tell you you are wordly and follow a false gospel you FREAK OUT! You aere already receiving your reward from Chris MINE is in heaven.There is difference between reward and recognition. We can't be rewarded by anybody. You must be lying when you said you came to partners conference because pastor chris always emphasise " this is not a reward but a recognition" he always say it is God that rewards Even as at that God still reward us both on earth and in heaven. I'm sure you won't see that . Mark 10:29-30 29 Jesus said, Truly I tell you, there is no one who has given up and left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands for My sake and for the Gospel's 30 Who will not receive a hundred times as much now in this time -- houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions -- and in the age to come, eternal life. |
SirJohn:You a pathetic insincere liar john, I used to think you were misinformed. But you deliberately create lies for all these folks to believe. Where did you hear that they have to give up to 100.000 John? Why are you guys picking on pastor chris for things that are generally done . Td jakes has partners conference , Creflo dollar has, Benny hinn has. Why are doing it as though is a making of pastor chris. It's only carrying out scriptures. |
Eré orí igi---- |
@syanda siyanda.N:You do well Haven - This is a group of people at CE who would pray in tongues for money! How ridiculous. SirJohn:It is a scriptural thing to honour those who have been committed to Gods work. The bible says "---to esteem them highly" Paul commended many people and encourage the church to do likewise for those who labour in the word of God , in giving and other works of service. That's exactly what happens in our meeting , it's not just those who gave that are honoured we have leaders that are honoured, soul winners , and also we have people who are unseen yet are commiteed to the translation of rhapsody in different languages worldwide. Arabians, Indians, Asians etc. And local Nigerian languages. Pastor chris is a man that doesn't play with gratitude and he teaches us same thing. It's only an opportunity to say weldone! Even if we don't know you, we see what you're doing. KunleOshob:Before you criticise or condemn , you should atleast know the premise on which certain things are done and upon which principles . You don't have a right to assume the intention of another person. You should deal with facts not assumption. @kunleoshob I see you are quoting james teaching on preference in church. But that's not the case,the only reason there is restriction is simply because of space. Everybody used to go, but since number of people increased ,there was need for restriction, so only few delegates are sent in from churches so that at least every church is represented. So it's not an issue of preference . |
KunleOshob:I would rather wish you post a link to the particular article of your reference. Because when I googled your title hundreds of topics came up |
SirJohn:The word of God is universal. Whoever is reading syanda post does not know her size. But thanks for rating her. |
Kunleoshob and Sirjohn Let me clear some issues with this insultive syanda . I will respond to you. |
@siyanda I gave you just three scriptures to analyse . You only dwelt on one, which you murdered before the whole world.Gal 6:6-7. Your explanation below is pathetic : siyanda.N:Olodo! This is very embarrassing! So you are saying we should sow the word back to the person who has taught us the word. So you can't even understand simple scripture yet you are busy attacking a man of God!. I will admonish you to read it up in other translation and comment on it again. |
@siyanda siyanda.N:Do you give offerings in your new church? Let's start from there? Do you give tithe their also. What is your pastor stand on tithes and offering. |
@ siyanda Lets attend to some of your rubbish. siyanda.N:You do well Lets look at Abraham:During the entire period of time before the Law there were only two Biblical references to tithing. One instance has been superficially interpreted to justify a teaching that is contrary to the New Covenant. The other is an example of unbelief and bargaining with God. Neither one can change the finished work of the cross. Neither one can add to the surpassing greatness of life in Christ. Neither one is teaching tithing to the church.Tithing was a revelation of God to men of faith. It doesn't have to be a law. It's a worship. Offering also is a worship by the revelation of God, prayer also is by the revelation of God. They all have their benefit. If you don't believe in tithing , no qualms, you only miss the grace and benefit that goes with it . That's simple enough. Even if pastor chris says he doesn't thithe again , I will still tithe because I'm convince personally. Abraham tithing or the offering of his son was not work but a demonstration of Gods lordship over his life. Come on . Tithe is so small for argument . It is the least of my giving and when I give tithe I give more than ten percent. That's just me. |
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Kindly educate me sir, i dont understand the above.
