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The article did not say he used it. We should hear his defence before attack. I think the topic is wrong. What has preaching got to do with transportation . Is he a pastor or he claims to be one. I was thinking a pastor was tested medically to be high on INDIAN HEMP. This title is rubbish .

Psalm 27:1
The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?


For most Christians, listening to the content of their prayers you can tell whether or not they’re acting in faith, or they’re ignorant of God’s Word. For example, our opening scripture doesn’t suggest that we’re to pray to God to strengthen us, meanwhile there’re Christians who, every time, would pray, “O Lord, strengthen me!” In the scripture above, the psalmist didn’t ask the Lord for strength, he said “The Lord is the strength of my life!” What a confession. Now, that’s different from saying “Strengthen me, O Lord.”

The guy who prays “Lord, strengthen me,” might even get weaker and weaker while he’s yet praying like that, because he’s praying amiss! “What’s wrong in praying that the Lord should strengthen us? Didn’t Paul pray for the Christians in Ephesus to be strengthened with might in their inner man by the Spirit?” You might want to ask. In Ephesians 3:14-16 the Apostle Paul is talking about being invigorated by the Holy Ghost in your inner man when he says “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man.”

Paul is praying here for the ministry of the Spirit to be fulfilled in you. He’s not praying as the man who’s weak and asking “O God, please strengthen me”; no! The Word already says, “The Lord is your strength.” Therefore yours is to consciously and constantly declare “the Lord is my strength” and as you say that, you’re strengthened.

It’s like praying, “O God give me more power”; He already said in
Acts 1:8 “
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you…”

Therefore, having received the Holy Spirit, you don’t need to ask God for more power; the Holy Spirit, the power of God, and power-giver Himself lives in you now! He’s all the power you need. So don’t pray “O God strengthen me!” Rather, say “Lord you’re my strength and power.” Declare like David,
Psalm 18:1-2
“I will love thee, O Lord, my strength…my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower”

From  pastor chris

@kunleoshob

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje
Did the bible say Solomon's genealogy was cursed or you just assumed so? If it was cursed Solomon and his descendants would never have been King over Israel and Judah. Solomon's elder brother who was conceived in adultery is the one who can be said to be cursed and God already punished David for it by taking the boy's life. There is no biblical record of curse or punishment after the boy died. If anything at all God blessed the union of David a Basheba by blessing them with more sons and choosing David's successor[Solomon] from amongst their sons.

Oga you didn't insult me today . Praise God o. I wish all your posts are this polite

The curse I'm talking about is not upon David but upon Solomon's great grand son jechonias to cut their lineage.

Jeremiah 22:30
30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man[ that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. 

JeSoul:
Joagbaje, thank you for the response. I'm pretty much wondering how you came to be a christian and why you remain a christian and what you think a christian is. So some of the questions may be a bit personal but if you're not comfortable sharing that publicly then I certainly understand. Thanks!

I'm ok with it

chukwudi44:
Pastor Agbaje are you sure you are alright ?that people in heaven do not have the holy spirit with them.
If God is not in heaven I wonder who we are going to see.

The holyspirit is not in heaven. But in us on the earth. Check the scriptures.

Sorry the saints in heaven have always prayed for the ones on earth.God has continued to work miracle throuh the posthumous intercession of his saints.
in 2 macabee 15:12 we see the holy prophet Jeremiah praying for the jewish nation in heaven not top forget the story of Elisha posthumusly raising a man from the dead.
To whom do you think the saints pray through to God ?

You are quoting books that were not inspired of God. Let's quote the canonised scriptures let's start from the known where we have common ground.

[ quote]what makes you think they don't push their prayers through Jesus.

[/quote]Have you heard dead saints pray before . Let's leave out fairy tales.

The saints pray for us the same way Pastor chris prays for his members

Any Christian can pray for any Christian , either you're a pastor or not. Intercession for one another is part of the church responsibilities

[quote]Jesus told us plainly that when the righteous rise to life in heaven they ould be like angels

That's only in reference to fleshly desire. In heaven there will be no female nor children.

Which means that unscriptural images of pastor chris hanging in CE parishes are idolatarous[b][/b].

There is no such thing. Na you people dye hang foto for prayer.

@seyibrown

. MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS WAS A DESCENDANT OF DAVID THROUGH NATHAN. Nathan was not the son of BATHSHEBA. SOLOMON was the son of Bathsheba of whose lineage Joseph is but he is only the adoptive father and not the biological. Mary was the biological parent and was not of Bathsheba's lineageThe promise to David was fulfilled through MARY. Remember the end of King Solomon?

I agree that Jesus didn't come through Solomon because of the curse in that genealogy , I never said he came through Solomon. I said Jesus came through a concubine!. Let me ask you who was the Mother of Nathan?

We can call it Christian tourism. Holy pilgrimage is improper to use. The pilgrimage idea has led to more idolatry . People keeping Jordan water , for protection. Holy land oil. Dead sea water. Etc etc

God is the source of all knowledge, science came from God. Technology. Ame from him. The book of Ezekiel and revelation talks of some scientific machines. For these last days.

Daniel 12:4
4"But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!"

The inventor of caterpillars once said he invented Boris while meditating on ezikiel 1:16 " a wheel inside a wheel ? How possible?"

Ezekiel 1:16
16 The appearance of the wheels and their work[ was] like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work[ was] as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

@seyibrown

seyibrown:
Joagbaje, what church do you attend? (I am not ascribing your stance to church doctrine, just need the info to get to a point!) Christ Embassy (stole a quick look at some of your posts 'NL-wide')?

Kí ló n se lè? You've been trying to box me into a corner as though I'm advocating for polygamy.  . . My stand on it is clear enough in my posts. I don't believe in it. But it is not a sin. I have heard of cases where by families were broken because a pastor tells them that the second wife is illegal so . Every polygamist should put the second wife away and that the children of such are product of sin!  .I've not found such in scriptures. If there is any verse of scripture, you know you should quote it. .  The scriptures you've quoted so far are just being used to imply it . Has God said polygamy is a sin? If yes , simply quote it. If there is none . Let's just leave it.  God must have been the first offender for giving David several wives and Jesus came through an illegal concubine!.

seyibrown:
@joagbaje,
What would happen to Christ Embassy if Pastor Chris married a second wife? How do you think church members would regard his action and how the majority would react to to it?

  1 Timothy 3:2
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 

If any pastor marries a second wife, it just means , his ministry is over. Period! This is a qualification for ministry leadership but not a qualification for church membership. Definitely in paul's day, some of the members were polygamous and had cases to settle in the home. Paul had to spare the leaders from such.

Let me ask you a question, if you're a pastor , and someone comes to join your church, having 2 or 3 wives, what will do?  Send him out?  And what do you say about women who consented to their husband taking another wife for whatever reason, like sarah. Childbirth problem.  Pls respond to this.

@ seyibrown

seyibrown:
Joagbaje, Could you give me as many 'godly' reasons/motives as possible why 'spirit-filled child of God' may decide to take a second wife, and please back those reasons/motives with support from the Bible?

There is no godly or biblical reason for polygamy. It is fleshly and of the senses.  But the bible never said  it's a sin. He only said those who had more than one wife should not be bishops,and I believe it's  because of the trouble it entails. A man that can't put his house in order cannot handle the church. Polygamy is war and fight.

Almost all the bible characters are polygamist. From Abraham to solomon. It was a sin for David to take another mans wife. But God never said it was a sin to have another one. But for defrauding his neighbour of his wife. God even told David that if he needed more wives, he would give him.
 
2 Samuel 12:8
8 And I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added that much again. 

So if any one married double . He should not be condemned . God never condemned it. But God condemned divorce, adultery etc.

chukwudi44:
Prayer basicaly means supplication,the bible encourages us to pray for one another and that is what the catholic church has been practising since the first century.We catholics beleive in the communion of saints i.e in communications between those already in heaven and those still on earth.

How scriptural is it to pray to dead saints to pray for you. You tell me. They have no dealings with the living.

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is---- only one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

That is why we ask the people already in heaven to pray for us the same way protestants ask their pastors to pray for them .Can you tell me what is adulterous in that.

We don't pray to pastors. Like you pray to Mary. The dead saints has no dealings with living men. The saints on earth can pray for one another because of the anointing of the holyghost, but the saints in heaven don't have the holyghost with them. They only wait and watch us.

Revelation 5:8 (New International Version)
8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.
From the above passage you can see that the prayers of God Peoples ascended to Jesus through the living creatures

The living creatures are not dead saints but angelic beings.

Sorry catholics don' worship rosary nor images

Well I don't really want to criticise your religion , but  any object that is unscritural is idolatry . From images of so called saints o, to chaplets and amulets.

chukwudi44:
but worshipping pastor chris is impure idolatary

Nonsense, does anyone pray to pastor chris? answer your query , don't try to deviate from Maria . Show me biblically, where this rosary and image worship comes from. Maybe you are right , but prove it scripturally.

@babaearly

The long epistle you wrote , will take me several weeks to respond to in details but I will just summarise my response.
There are just little misconceptions which is causing misunderstanding. Angel micheal is not Jesus christ.The fa

The word Michael is of Hebrew origin [miykael] and most nearly means "He who is assuredly God". Taken from the root Hebrew words [miy] (who is), [kiy] (assuredly), and ['el] (God). Kiy, the prepositional prefix has also been rendered as meaning "who is certainly God" or "who is as God"

The meaning of Micheal is simply "who is like God"  that should not be alarming because . Several people bore the name MICHEAL in the bible.  El in Hebrew makes reference to God.  Several isrealites had El in their names. Elisha means " The God of the coming one"  That doesn't mean Elisha is God. Joshua is the "heberew" word for "Jesus". That settles that for Michael.

Satan was spiritually superior to Michael that's why Micheal could not insult him over the body of Moses. He had to use Gods name.

Jude 1:9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


You talked about Micheal being prince And Jesus being prince , which according to you represents the trinity.

1. The reference to Michael as one of the chief rulers or Princes is illustrating Christ's status in the Trinity. i.e, one of the chief rulers or Kings in the Godhead, as demonstrated in verses such as,

The truth here is that their are demonic princes Satan appointed over lands , nations and continentsfamilies and individuals  . The same way God assigned angels over certain regions,  churches and missions and individuals. The bible also call them rulers of darkness and principalities.

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against persons without bodies-- the evil rulers of the unseen world, those mighty satanic beings and great evil princes of darkness who rule this world; [/b]and against huge numbers of wicked spirits in the spirit world.


Satan has his own demonic president in the us, he has in aso rock , an invisible being who tire to enforce the will of satan in world affairs. That's why someone may go for a political office with good intention and turns out more terrible than his predecessors .

So the same way God has angelic beings assigned for different purposes and region. In the book of revelation, he assigned several angels to several churches. Angel Michael is the angel assigned over the nation of Israel . There was an earthly prince of Persia , but Satan also appointed a demon as ruler over Persia , an invicible prince.

[b]Daniel 10:20-21
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. 21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and[ there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. 

It should be noteworthy what the angel said in verse 20 up here that after the defeat of prince of Persia , the prince of Grecia shall come. Historically , after Persia empire collapse , Greece became world power, and a demonic being "prince of greecia" has to replace the "priznce of Persia"

Daniel 10:20
----and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come
   
So micheal was prince over the nation of isarael officially.

 Daniel 12:1
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: .
 
The word prince is another use for arch angel. The book of Hebrews made it clear that jesus is greater than angels. Look at the use of the language " one of the chief princes". It is derogatory to represent Jesus.

Daniel 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

@seyibrown

seyibrown:
Joagbaje, will you agree that 'the exclusion of all others' is an implied term where you do not expressly tell your wife-to-be that 'I am marrying you on the condition that you will let me marry more other wives while we are still together'? Whether you get married under a rock and stay mute throughout the ceremony, children of God still have a marriage covenant that is like that of ADAM and EVE before God.

The church won't join people in polygamy, court won't join them either.Traditional marriage gives room for polygamy. Most polygamist married through traditional way. The church recognise every marriage. The bible didn't say it was a sin. Smoking is bad but it's still not a sin. That doesn't mean I will smoke. It's a bad habit. If a man gets saved with his two wives, the church has to recognise them as his wives . Not concubines.

@Jesoul

Joagbaje, if you're willing, I'd like to do an "interview" thread on you, asking various questions. Would you mind? I'd like to understand you better. Thanks.

Sorry i didnt see your post yesterday. It's ok so long as it's bible, question. But if it's personal discussions . yahoo mail or chat will be better

Saying the rosary and praying to Mary I pure idolatry.

I agree with you. If it's stated in their vows like that . It depends on what vow they made.

seyibrown:
@Joagbaje

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

If Jesus equated looking at a woman lustfully to committing adultery, bearing in mind that only a 'married person' can commit adultery, how can that 'married man' now go beyond lusting in his heart, actually sleep with someone else(whether he 'unlawfully maries them or keeps them as a mistress) and it is not equal to adultery?

If he marries her legally , it's not adultery. It's polygamy. Mind you I'm not recommending it o.

Stankoko:
a pastor's wife has to be herself. Simple. She doesn't have to be a pastor just because her husband is a pastor.

yes she ought to function at the level of her own grace and gift. And be herself

You can be a bishop's wife and still be an ordinary church member.

She can't be an ordinary member, because in the first place, nobody should be an ordinary church member. Everybody ought to grow to be a worker or a teacher at some point in Gods house.

Hebrews 5:12
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which[ be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

It seems you make a sport of mockery at the word of God zikky. Why not just read an exhortation and be blessed by it?

@kehneah

kehneah:
pls this is a personal message to tudor, i know for a fact that u dont believe in god(na u know why), but that does not give u the audacity to hit out at his servants anytime their names are mentioned.u really need to desist from this act.c, its better to stay quiet and not comment at all than to open your mouth and say the 'unsayable', there are so many things u dont know, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, dont incur the wrath of god!!pleaseeeeee, a word is enough for the wise

It's not only Tudor but also the religious individuals that seem to be doing more damage to the soul of people like tudor. By openly attacking those who does not hold same opinion with them. You are not threatening anybody , you are only making pronouncements and advice based on the word.

Emade:
marrying more than one wife a sin.if yes were is it writing in de bible.god help us.

Polygamy is not a good thing. It creates atmosphere of evil, divisions, party,war, distrust, children grow up in strife and division. Tension and distraction. Favoouritism and bitterness and so on. That's why Paul says a polygamist should not be accepted in leadership.

But is it a sin ? No! It's a matter of being spared from trouble. Polygamy is trouble .

Image123:
Can you refrain from calling me 'dude'? It offends me, coming from you Joagbaje.

It's amazing this is coming from you, you called me false teacher unjustly and you are complying of being called dude, "dude" is not an insult, it's just another slang for " guy" or buddy. If you're offended by it. No qualms , i won't use it . But it's sounds hypocritical .

Matthew 23:24
24 Ye--- strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Where is his oat of confidentiality, if he has to bring to open , the counselling that was carried out by trust and confidentially .

Zikkyy:
OMG  Jo is posting from James 

Ive always said that James was a great man of God , with great principles. The fact that I pointed out some issues in his writings doesn't mean that I condemned his epistles .

Image123:
Utter garbage. I expected that Joagbaje should correct this error instead of applauding it. Where did you get the bolded idea above. Paul said 'I would have you know, that the head of the woman is the man'.

Dude,The headship of the man is only limited to the home. Not ministerial office. If a woman is a minister and the husband is not. He can't be spirituals leader for her. There are female pastors and prophetesses who's husbands are just church members. He is the head at home , she submits to him , but if he is a member of her church, he submits to her as his pastor.

Learn to reduce running and jumping the church aisle and shouting 'woo woo' at the pastor, but instead listen and think.

Who was running and jumping dude ? Were you seeing double?

A religious forum ought to contain Topics and posts that should build and edify us. But much of what we see here is abuse, insult , dirty gossip and use of foul language in the name of JESUS?. Attacks on personalities , name calling attacks on churches and ministers. We must not forget , that we are supposed to build the biddy and not tear it apart, in our zeal to air our opinions

Romans 14:19
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.


The early church once ran into trouble, by being carried away with self , and forget the overall big picture which is to edify the body. Some had political parties, others are more concerned about personal gifts etc. Paul had to bring them back to the big picture EDIFY THE CHURCH.

1 Corinthians 14:12
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual[ gifts], seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 


Christ has a dream of building a mature church. The rapture will nit take place until the maturity of the church. So he is concerned about growth and perfection in the body. That's why we have pastors and other offices to build the church to it's perfection through the teaching of the word and spiritual gifts.

Ephesians 4:12
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 
  
One of the ingridients to edify the church is our love .as we walk in love towards one another , we are building the body. We may disagree , but it should be done in the spirit of love, you can't win against love, you can win by the flesh you cant win by hatred. It is only the devil that can drive one into that arena. Because Satan owns such arena. There are biblical way to air our disagreement .

Galatians 6:1
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

The bible says to correct in love, if there are posts you don't agree with, simply say "I don't agree with this or that" or " I don't see it this way or that way" or " this is my understanding and opinion on this"
But when when we start calling people names , insult, abuse and get unnecessarily personal, we lose out of the walk of love . God is not pleased. He want to see his body walk in love. Not torn apart . We don't archive anything , we only heat up the environment for the flesh.

Ephesians 4:16
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

2 Corinthians 3:18
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass (mirror) the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord

The Word of God is the mirror of God, and the more we look at the Word, the more we see ourselves. Now our opening scripture says: as we behold the glory of God in a mirror, we are metamorphosed; we are changed into the same image that we see in the mirror of God. What’s the mirror of God? The Word! And who’s the Word? Jesus. That means the more you know Jesus, the more you know you, for you’re in Him, and He’s the Word.

You cannot know Jesus without discovering who you are; to know you, you look at Jesus for He’s the mirror of God. This is why it’s important that you keep looking into the mirror of God. It’s not a one-off act, but a continuous activity recommended for us by the Spirit of God, for as you keep looking into the mirror of God, you’re changed! Your life is improved, and you become more and more of what you see in the mirror. As you keep looking, the scales are taken off, the veil is removed and you can clearly see yourself as the glory of God.

James 1:25
anyone who looks into the perfect law of liberty – the mirror of God – and continues to look, being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, that man shall be blessed in his deed (of looking).


Such a man is marked out for blessings for looking continually into the mirror of God. The daily mediation on the word in essential for Christian growth.

Yo Mabel ,great attempt!.

mabell:
Pricillia and Acquilla were a couple in Paul's team but Pricillia was more annointed than Acquillia
Acts 18:26
26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue; but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more accurately.

Also, the person's name that appears first is higher than the other in the anointing

I understand your point but, for the purpose of clarity,I would you rather use the word "leadership" the person whos name comes first has the leadership in most of their writings. But I got your point. It used to Barnabas and Paul , when barnabass had the leadership, but when the anointing began to work more through paul especially after his encounter with that Simon the socerer ,he became more vocal than Barnabas and the writing changed "paul and barnabass". Because leadership now rested on him. I like Barnabas , he didn't contest it,he recognised the anointing.

Colossians 1:19
For it pleased the Father that in him (Christ Jesus) should all fulness dwell

The word fullness used above is the Greek “pleroma,” and it means the maximum, total or complete content of a vessel! It means everything that ought to be in the vessel is present in its completeness and full measure; a complete content in its maximum requirement. Thus, the vessel is filled with the maximum load of everything that should be in it. You can have a maximum load but not everything. In other words, you’ve carried more of certain things than others that you should have had in the vessel. But “pleroma” means everything that is required in its maximum capacity and entirety.

God’s desire is for us to be filled with His maximum load. He said

“that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God” (Ephesians 3:19).

Talking about the Lord Jesus, Colossians 1:19 says

“…For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulnes dwell.”

It pleased the Father that in Jesus, should all “pleroma” dwell – the maximum load of God. In other words, when you saw Jesus, you saw the totality of Deity. That means everything the Father is and has is in Jesus; everything the Holy Spirit is and has is in Jesus. He is the expression of the totality of divinity, the effulgence of the Father’s glory; the express image of His person.

No wonder Jesus had the boldness to say

“He that has seen me, has seen the Father” (John 14:9).

He also said
“I am in the Father and the Father is in me…” (John 14:11);

then in John 10:30 He said “I and my Father are one.”

Now, the beauty of it all is that when we look at Jesus, we see and know who we are,

1 John 4:17
for as He is, so are we in this world .

Thus, as Jesus is – the expression of totality of divinity, the effulgence of the Father’s glory, and express image of His person – filled with all the “pleroma” of God, so are we. You’re filled with the maximum load of God! There’s nothing gracious, glorious and divine that should be in you that’s not already in you.

No wonder the Bible says “And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)

. You’ve become a God-carrier. Everywhere you go, God goes, because you carry the maximum load of God. Everything you require in life is within you, because He lives in you. No matter what you want, be it healing, strength, and prosperity – everything that’s necessary for a good, sound and prosperous life – is inside you:

“2 Peter 1:3
cording as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue”

Mai-suya

I have as a matter of fact been to Christ Embassy and have had issues with the way their act of giving is sometimes practised, especially when it is forced on members. l.

Please for the sake of clarity I would want to know how members are forced . Because it's strange for me to hear. Were you ever forced? .