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Altheiaaaa!!!

The first thing you need to understand is that the events of revelation of future and not past. so it wasnt refering to christ's rapture.

Rev. 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

If i have time i will reply you proper.

aletheia:
^^^An excellent example of the man-centred gospel that you lot peddle. The gospel does not need any help. Certainly not the help of a man's looks.
Where in the book of Acts do you find disciples coming to Christ because of the "good looks" of Peter, John, Paul etc? [b]All the glory must be to God! But you lot don't get it. I seriously doubt if anyone who says he started going to church because of the good looks of another is saved.[/b] Where is the repentance? Where is the turning from sin and turning to Jesus?Your statement only confirms the truth of God's word. They only want teachers to suit their passions and soothe their itching ears.

Stop these petty petty exaggerations of yours. Good looks is simply to make your appearance acceptable to men. Those who have not accepted your person cant listen to you. If they wont listen to you , they cant get saved. Your first objective in soulwinning is to get their attention. We dress because of people. Stop being hypocritical. Why would you use mouth wash before a speech why put wearing a perfume. Is it to feel good or for people.
Hygene and good/smart look are first part of evangelism aside prayers and other preparations. I doubt if talkers like you preach the gospel at all.

2Tim 3:5. having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

You that has not recieved the holyghost is the one its talking about here. We have the power of the holyghost backing our gospel with signs and wonders. " Not in words like people like you but in power" .Its so amazing that a religious fellow who hasnt recieved the holyspirit nor know him will be accusing someone who demonstrates the power of the spirit of denial of the power!.

[i][b]I Samuel Chapter 16.
[6] When they came, he looked on Eliab and thought, Surely the LORD's anointed is before him.
[7] But the LORD said to Samuel, Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because [b]I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.[/b]

Even Samuel (Prophet and Judge) looking on Eliab thought to himself Surely the LORD's anointed is before him. But you know what: God said I have rejected him.
Yes they do. For all the wrong reasons. Like a greater number of the females dressing as if they are peddling their bodies.
You misapply the scripture. Paul did not use what they believed in to reach them. Did the Athenians believe in the unknown god? When you read Paul's address at the Areopagus: you will see that he was direct and to the point. If he was using your methods, he would first of all have engaged in a philosophical discourse seeing as there were stoics and epicureans there, before gently easing in the gospel!
^^^You couldn't help but write this. What bearing did it have on the discussion at hand? Self-glorification is a virtue with you lot rather than giving all the glory to God. If those to whom you "preached" are saved: then they were won by the Holy Spirit not Joagbaje.

John 3:30. He must increase, but I must decrease.

Abeg I Tire!

aletheia:
^^^As defined in the bible, the connotations of the word "rapture" show that it is a one-time event of the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air as He descends triumphantly from Heaven to put and end to all kingdoms.
Therefore:
1. Enoch - untrue
2. Elijah - untrue
While these two are types foreshadowing the one-time event, they are not the one-time event.
3. Jesus raptured? So He was caught up into the air to meet himself. . .? I am sure you see where this is going, don't you?
4. Paul - Even you put ?.?? after the entry, so why try to pad out the list?(dishonest) Was it in order to make it up to 5 or 6, as you first claimed? Nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong you know?
5. The church - yes
6. The two witnesses - identity still controversial. Are they allegory or fact?
Moreover, scripture clearly records they died, whereas the "rapture" concerns believers who are yet living when Jesus returns as clearly documented here:
I Thes 4:17. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. . .
7. The man child. Is the man child another entity different from Jesus and his Church? Double counting. And not even describing the rapture.

1. It is proven that there will be a one-time event of the catching up of believers. . .not 5 or 6
2. Joagbaje asserts that Christians will be raptured 2 to 3 different times. A teaching that is in stark opposition to God's written words.

I Thessalonians 4:14-18
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
Therefore encourage one another with these words.

This is a capsule summary of the end of age event known as the Rapture. It is characterized by three things occuring in sequence and tied together (inseparable).
1. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.
2. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
3. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
So in essence Joagbaje is saying these three things will necessarily have to occur twice or thrice e.g. the dead in Christ will rise 2 to 3 different times.
See what happens when men substitute their idolatrous doctrines for what the word of God actually says.

Let's consider the grand event from another "camera-angle" so to speak:

I Corin 15:49, 51, 52.
I Corin 15:49, 51, 52.
Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

And since 3D seems to be the rage this days: a third angle.
I John 3:2. Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.

All describing the one-time event that is curtain fall on the age but which Joagbaje says will yet occur 2-3 times.

It is just like we say "On the resurrection day" But in truth ,we know there are several resurrections taught in the bible . Past and future. Thesame way there are several raptures in the bible . Past and future. It means to be" caught up" It is a simple matter that we dont need to complicate. Yes 3 raptures of christians

1. The general rapture of the church
2.The 2 witnesses.
3. The manchild

These 3 groups are all christians and will be raptured at different times.

uche13:
i find it annoying at the manner some members of christ-embassy comment and i must confess that they are the real problem of the church by the way they narrowly respond to issues and act as if they were sent by Pastor Chris to always defend him aimlessly through blindless arguments.

I hope Im not among sha.

This does not make us greater than Jesus and im sure Pastor Chris never said that.

Nobody said we are greater than Jesus , We only said we are one with him.

@Altheia

aletheia:
@Joagbaje:What you wrote above was in response to my post below:Which in turn was a direct riposte to this:
So here is the logic which you so obviously missed in your self-arrogated though by no means obligatory role as the defender of Pastor Chris:

I am not a defender of pastor Chris. I defend truth. I defend the gospel.I defend the body of Christ which i respect.My posts are not limited to CEC.

If Pastor Chris belongs as alleged to the set of people who refuse to depend on their degrees, looks, abilities or charisma (see Hebrews 11:36-38, for examples), why then is it obvious that he spends an inordinate and disproportionate amount of resources on his looks?

There is difference between having good looks and depending on good looks. God believes in good and beautiful parkaging .

Exodus 28:2
And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.

God use handsome people, David, Solomon, Daniel, Shadrach,Meshach, Abedenego. Saul etc.

Even a natural King would not demand anything less, how much more GOD,

Daniel 1:3-4
And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, , [4] Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, , , and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

Our presentation of ourselves as his representatives only relfects our respect and honor for him and a good self image. By the way ? How much is cream? How much is your shoe and suit.? Lets leave petty matters.

Why go about spotting a worldly title PH.D

I thought you are a medidcal personel. If youre a doctor , or lab scientist is it labbist or labber. Whatever. Some patients that would not listen to a nurse needs to know Your person to listen to you. Some will not believe anything until a doctor says " You will be fine" . This is a man talking to the world. He is not just a pastor of one local congregation. The title is for them. Give what is for caesar to caesar.

1 Cor. 9:20-23
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law, that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23] And this I do for the gospel's sake,

which buttresses the point that given that men are easily carried away by what they see, then the man of God ought not to let his personal appearance, one way or the other detract from the gospel.

His good looks has only helped the gospel. A terrible cultist in his school days once got saved seeing him in a crusade on campus those days. He said if a handsome man like this can be serving God, what Im I waiting for. He God saved that day. I have spoken to several also who got healed while watching him on tv. But i get suprised when i heard them say, "The first thing that attracted me was his good looks". It is Godly to look good. It is ungodly to look unkept.

Man look on the outward , God look into the heart. Give the outward to man. Give the heart to God.

Jesus did not stand out from his followers, hence the necessity of an identifying sign.

Pastor Chris encourages everybody to look good. He tells us ." It doesnt have to be expensive to look good"He is not doing one man show. Most of his members stands out like him. Good balance.

Is it modest of pastor to be given to frippery? What example is he setting for others?

Good look is not frippery.

Even woman are admonished to beware of such things in the word.
I Peter 3:3, 4. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing—but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

Youre quoting the scripture out of context here. Peter was dealing with family problem here. If a man is not behaving well to his wife. If he has become backlisdden that he cant be corrected by the Word ,The wife should not try to win his affection by extravagant appearances in other to gain his attention or affection.But rather to win the affection of such distracted fellow with love and submission.

He was dealing with motive here and not the adornment. If you you apply it to ardonment, you will mess things up.
Dont forget his purpose. Read from the beggining.

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation (character) of the wives; and bla bla bla[b], [/b]

So if you go ahead with your application. It would mean that women should not Plait their hair,wear jewelries ,clothes (apparel) They should go nude.

1 Peter 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wear[b]ing of gold[/b], or of putting on of apparel;

So if hair do is wrong,wearing of gold is wrong and Wearing clothes also would be wrong.

^^^The whole thrust of your argument above is that the gospel is so crippled that it needs the crutches of human learning to help it along, hence your story about the Eckist. Does it then mean that you don't believe these scriptures?

Dont let us be hypocritical here. Im sure its not only bible you study. I have read some of your posts. Your knowledge of other faiths to an extent gives you advantage to know what they believe and use it to bring them to truth. If you dont care to know what i believe, how should i listen to you.

Paul in athens had to use what the people belive in to reach them. "The unknown god"

Acts 17:23
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

I have won thousands to Christ, Muslim, Eckist, Amorc, cultists, etc.

Maybe you should read mavenbox posts on islam and see the power of insight into other faiths.

@Altheia

aletheia:
@Joagbaje:What you wrote above was in response to my post below:Which in turn was a direct riposte to this:
So here is the logic which you so obviously missed in your self-arrogated though by no means obligatory role as the defender of Pastor Chris:

I am not a defender of pastor Chris. I defend truth. I defend the gospel.I defend the body of Christ which i respect.My posts are not limited to CEC.

If Pastor Chris belongs as alleged to the set of people who refuse to depend on their degrees, looks, abilities or charisma (see Hebrews 11:36-38, for examples), why then is it obvious that he spends an inordinate and disproportionate amount of resources on his looks?

There is difference between having good looks and depending on good looks. God believes in good and beautiful parkaging .

Exodus 28:2
   And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.

God use handsome people,  David, Solomon, Daniel, Shadrach,Meshach, Abedenego. Saul etc.

Even a natural King would not demand anything less, how much more GOD,

Daniel 1:3-4
   And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, , [4] Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, , , and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace,

Our presentation of ourselves as his representatives only relfects our respect and honor for him and a good self image. By the way ? How much is cream?  How much is your shoe and suit.? Lets leave petty matters.

[quote]Why go about spotting a worldly title PH.D

I thought you are a medidcal personel. If youre a doctor , or lab scientist is it labbist or labber. Whatever. Some  patients that would not listen to a nurse needs to know Your person to listen to you. Some will not believe anything until a doctor says " You will be fine" . This is a man talking to the world. He is not just a pastor of one local congregation. The title is for them. Give what is for caesar to caesar.

1 Cor. 9:20-23
   And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21] To them that are without law, as without law,  that I might gain them that are without law. [22] To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23] And this I do for the gospel's sake,

which buttresses the point that given that men are easily carried away by what they see, then the man of God ought not to let his personal appearance, one way or the other detract from the gospel.

His good looks has only helped the gospel. A terrible cultist in his school days once got saved seeing him in a crusade on campus those days. He said if a handsome man like this can be serving God, what Im I waiting for. He God saved that day. I have spoken to several also who got healed while watching him on tv. But i get suprised when i heard them say, "The first thing that attracted me was his good looks". It is Godly to look good. It is ungodly to look unkept.

Man look on the outward , God look into the heart. Give the outward to man. Give the heart to God.

Jesus did not stand out from his followers, hence the necessity of an identifying sign.

Pastor Chris encourages everybody to look good.  He tells us ." It doesnt have to be expensive to look good"He is not doing one man show. Most of his members stands out like him. Good balance.

Is it modest of pastor to be given to frippery? What example is he setting for others?

Good look is not frippery.

Even woman are admonished to beware of such things in the word.
I Peter 3:3, 4. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or the putting on of clothing—but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

Youre quoting  the scripture out of context here. Peter was dealing with family problem here. If a man is not behaving well to his wife. If he has become backlisdden that he cant be corrected by the Word ,The wife should not try to win his affection by extravagant appearances in other to gain his attention or affection.But rather to win the affection of such distracted fellow with love and submission.

He was dealing with motive here and not the adornment. If you you apply it to ardonment, you will mess things up.
Dont forget his purpose. Read from the beggining.

1 Peter 3:1
   Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation (character) of the wives;  and bla bla bla[b], [/b]

So if you go ahead with your application. It would mean that women should not Plait their hair,wear jewelries ,clothes (apparel) They should go nude.

1 Peter 3:3
   Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wear[b]ing of gold[/b], or of putting on of apparel;

So if  hair do is wrong,wearing of gold is wrong and Wearing clothes also would be wrong.

^^^The whole thrust of your argument above is that the gospel is so crippled that it needs the crutches of human learning to help it along, hence your story about the Eckist. Does it then mean that you don't believe these scriptures?

Dont let us be hypocritical here. Im sure its not only bible you study. I have read some of your posts. Your knowledge of other faiths to an extent gives you advantage to know what they believe and use it to bring them to truth. If you dont care to know what i believe, how should i listen to you.

Paul in athens had to use what the people belive in to reach them. "The unknown god"

Acts 17:23
   For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

I have won thousands to Christ, Muslim, Eckist, Amorc, cultists, etc.

Maybe you should read mavenbox posts on islam and see the power of insight into other faiths.

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nuclearboy:
And jerry curls, bleaching IN A MAN are modesty?  

There is no jerrycurl nor bleaching. If there is ,noneoyourbussiness!. But actually there is none, what is your source. Get me his childhood picture.side by side.

And it is holy and modest and right to use a honorary title in your signature AND FAKE phonetics in speech ?

[/quote]Ha Ha!. I laugh, Which one is the real phonetic? Your Yoruba Yoruba? or Nna? a begi!

[quote]His (the Eckist's) soul belonged to you and you lost it? Where? in the bushpath behind your house, perharps

People win , people lose. People win souls, people lose souls. Stop being petty. I meant , I  lost the opportunity of winning that soul. If you are a soul winner ,you would have understood such language.

aletheia:
^^^Hypocrite, so why does your pastor Chris bleach his skin, perm and jerry-curl his hair and go around spotting PH.D among his titles then?

I dont understand is anybody's business with how a man looks. So what hair do is recommended in the bible. And is it a sin to use certain creams. Show us from scriptures and not from your religious mind. Besides that is not a jerry curl. And pastor chris is not bleaching. His parents are both light skinned. And even if he bleaches according to you , of what spiritual significance is that. What is the bible cream. This is a religous hypocrisy dont you use cream? I belive you do. So why point finger at another person cream. Dont use personal limited exposure in posts.You should back your post with Gods word. Let me give you mine.

1Sa 16:7
for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

2Co 10:7
¶ Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

What the Word teach is modesty.


And whats your bad belle. For PHD. If a man has PHD in theology, and its disturbing you. Go get yours. He got it because of people like you. That require outward title for approval. Because some will not listen untill they know what back up your authority. He didnt get it for show. he wants to rach everyone. Paul had to identified with different classes just to reach. them .He even shaved his head ! all for Jesus!

1Co 9:20
And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

I once preached to a lecturer in my school days who was an Eckist, He asked me , outside the bible which books have I read, I said I didnt care what any other book says Iread only my bible. "I told him I preached Jesus and him crucified!" He told me he could not discuss with me again, that my mind was narrow.I lost that soul . From that day. I began to read anything about any religion. And I had better result in soulwinning. If you dont know a man's motive , You should either ask or keep quiet. You dont have moral right to judge and conclude the motive of another person. It is a sin.

^^^Keep giving the glory to your pastor Chris instead of Jesus and showing yourself to be the brain-washed cult-follower you are.

That means Jesus was a cultistist too, I dont mind this Jesus cult. Afterall he is head of all principality.

Jenwitemi:
No, joagbaje, you got your understanding from your own interpretations of the scriptures and i think are very flawed. But that is fine, we're all entitled to our own opinions and interpretations.

Back to the issue; if we were born already "with" sin, wouldn't that mean that our "sin" is to have been born? To be existing or to have existed? Is that logical to you? I mean, how dare we exist, or to have been born at all? Is that fair to us for a creator to slap a negative on us for just being born? That is neither logical nor just. And God is supposed to be just, right? To be a sinner and in debt before even being born is the cruelest, most fascist, dictatorial concept i have ever heard. I think the islamic perspective on this one is a lot better because it is more consistent with logic and commonsense.

In covenatS , there are covenant heads.Whatever happens to the covenat head is binding on all. Even the innocent. I was not there when Bakassi was ceeded to cameroun. I diddnt sign the pact. Thats even too far. The indigenes of bakassi plus their king didnt sign any document ceding that place to camerounians. But the president then did. either the indigenes agree or not. It is binding on them.Even to the inocent unborn child.
Thesame way. Adam was man's covenant head. When he yielded to the devil and became sin in his nature, it was binding on every man.

Ro 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Ro 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

All became sin , through what Adam did. You dont have to do anything wrong to be a sinner. You were born in it. You need a saviour.

There,s a new covenant, and the covenant head is Jesus. Through is obedience , we have been recconciled, not by our own acts but by his oedience.Its binding on us.

And what do you say of the argument that the concept of the "original sin" have been used as an excuse to suppress the female side of humanity, the womenfolk? Can you give your own opinion and not bible quotes, please.

There is no such thing. The bible says "ALL" not female or male

Image123.
Im just seeing it for the first time.I dont know what you mean by cross-dressing.

aletheia:
^^^Please expound on what you wrote above so that others can learn from you.

donnie:
2 - 3? I guess you are referring to the dead in Christ rising first before those who are alive and remain?

There are several raptures mentioned in the bible.

1.ENOCH

Ge 5:24
And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

2.ELIJAH

2Kings 2:11
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

3.JESUSb]

[b]Acts 1:9
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

4.PAUL ? b] [b] ??

2Corinthians12 :2
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

5.THE CHURCH

1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

6.THE TWO WITNESSES

Rev 11:11
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud;. and their enemies beheld them.

7.THE MANCHILD

Re 12:5
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

@nuclearboy

nuclearboy:
@Joagbaje:
Aletheia was just joking. Please don't expound on that. Allow simple honest believers continue to believe the truth, thank you. Better not to add confusion to the lives of those who may be swayed by earthly gospel

Oya talk now!!

oweniwe:
Some guys have been warning on how satan is using the united nations to "finish" the world. Do you think the UN belongs to lucifer?

The entire world system belongs to satan. He is the God of this world (system). There is a system of gradualism. Everything is working gradually towards the main objective, to unite and pave way for the antichrist.

2Co 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Joh 16:11
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

oweniwe:
Some guys have been warning on how satan is using the united nations to "finish" the world. Do you think the UN belongs to lucifer?

The entire world system belongs to satan. He is the God of this world (system). There is a system of gradualism. Everything is working gradually towards the main objective, to unite and pave way for the antichrist.

2Co 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Joh 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Joh 16:11
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

vescucci:
Don't burst a gut. If I wasn't communicating clearly, it's my fault. But you should have asked for clarification. Instead, you were reading the opposite of what I meant as if it were definitive and lucid.

Some atheists who believe they have no God to answer to refrain from evil even when they can get away with it[b],[/b] from the good of their hearts.

Happy now?

I guess what youre trying to say is That some claim to be atheist just to get away with wrong doing and guilt by claiming there is no God and thereby excuse their evil by denial.

nopuqeater:
@Joagbaje: « #11 on: Today at 09:54:40 PM » Jesus was nourished as nothingness in the belly of the young Virgin, other than the "spirit" mounting her by which she was covered, overshadowed, came upon. Then Jeus developed in that womb/utherus through the placenta, unbilical cord, where all the foods via the blood of Mary, until be was delivered frailed and weak. As a helpless infant baby he suckled the bosom of Mary. He didnt feed himself, except what Mary provided, just any baby from the mother.

I dont really know your point. but if your reference to umblical cord etc was to make Jesus appear a sinner, Youre making a mistake. Jesus did not have sin in his blood. A child gets his blood from the father and not the mother biologically , so Mary is disconnected from being the source of Jesus blood. You can trace parterniny of a child through the blood for this reason. But since Joseph was not involved in the conception of christ. He also is disconnected from Jesus blood.

So where did the blood of Jesus come from?. It came from thesame source of his life. "The Word" through the holyghost. Mary and Joseph's blood was infested with the original sin of Adam. If the blood of Jesus had come from either of them, Jesus would not have been qualified to save us because his blood would have been un acceptable for sacrifice. And that would also have meant that any other person could have died for us. You trmple upon the blood of Jesus and its purity to equate his blood to the fallen man's blood and to labell Christ a sinner.

If jesus was a sinner , he would have been unqualified to save us. He had to be a spotless. lamb.

Mt 27:24
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
(KJV)

This statement qualified Jesus to be a perfect sacrifice.This utterance rather that set him free, became the proof that he was the perfect sacrifice.

He further (said)he was not "good' since it is Only One that is "Good" and that Only One is God Who is in Heaven. I hope he did not forget his blood in his body that you said was not from Mary, when he said he was not good enough? Or it is you who is living in fantastic wishful thinking about him?

You are trying to project the doctrine of the Socinianism . If he said only God is good, Was he not God?

Philipians 2:5
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Jesus only rejected the human title and flattery. If a man holds a public title and yet a poster on nairaland, It will be unethical to come and say " i am the commisioner of police for lagos state" It may land him in trouble officially.He is merely a poster on nairaland like any other poster.His title is for his office. But that does not mean he is not the commissioner of police.

Joh 5:41
I receive not honour from men.



Where are you [b]confused that if humans have sins, Jesus who clearly was man would not have sins? There is no original sin, y'all.[/b]
[quote][/quote]Im not confused. Jesus only became sin. on the cross. God made him sin. He didnt sin.

Heb 4:15
but (Jesus) was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Pimpu:
We don't want stories,provide proves and Am sory to say,joagbaje u ar a complete fraud,u ar claiming u also heal people and cast out devil,u ar such a joke.provide your full adress here and i will FIND u.ALL MABELL DOES IS COPY AND PASTE A STORY WHICH EXPLAIN THE LESS GRAMATICLE ERROR WHILE JOAGBAJE COMPLEMENT IT,SO JOAGHAJE=MABELL

[b]Nuclear[/b]pimple, te slow.

@Sirjohn, appreciate your response to kenya28 that you believe in christ still as lord. I will still appreciate your honest answer to my question

1.Is there a healing anointing through Christians or ministers today
2.Is there a Gift of healing in the body of Christ today?
3.Does God still heal through men of God today?
.

Thats why some security men get provoked to beat up them reporters! when they come snapping. Just to write nonsense. Al for naira because Nigerans are hungry for bad and destructive publications. Look at naira land for example. You hardly get a post to edify your day in a religious section. ITs the way an average nigerian thinks. But thank God , things are changing gradually.We are praying for the nation. REACH OUT NIGERIA IS ARROUND THE CORNER . A new awakening. A new Nigeria. Lets build the nation. Lets build Gods kingdom.Destructive junk journalism must end.

Jenwitemi:
I think that we are all born "into" original sin(development of the ego) instead of "with" original sin. We were clean at birth - meaning born in an initial state of egolessness - but gradually grow into the state of ego as our minds develop as we grew older.

from my understanding of scriptures , we were born into sin and born "with" sin in our nature.

lagerwhenindoubt:
It raises another issue. is Jesus Christ acclaimed to be the only personality to have lived and lives without SIN?

He was born of Mary the Virgin through Immaculate Conception (as the Catholics will interject at this point) regardless he fell to the sin of Anger at the scattering of the Temple where marketers of worship and sacrificial items sold in open air.
So was Christ the Messiah truly without SIN

The original sin has to do with the nature of the fallen man through Adam. Jesus was never a partaker of adamic nature and sin until he got to the cross. His conduct through anger did not make him a sinner .sin is not the conduct but a nature. anger is not a sin. The original sin flowed through blood. But Jesus blood didn't come from neither Mary nor Joseph .

@Kunleoshob and Altheia.

aletheia:
What's wrong? Wasn't your faith strong enough for them to receive their healing through you?

KunleOshob:
@joagbaje
But you previously claimed to be able to heal people, why didn't you just perform the healing yourself? Why send them to

Jesus desciples too used to cast out devils and heal the sick. But they still had some that were challenging.

Mark 17:16
16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

Cases That i find challenging are usually refered to the healing school. Pastor Chris has a stronger anointing for healing. If I ever experience a health challege (God frobid, I will not be sick) And if i have done all i know to do , I will bundle myself to the healing school.

Kenneth Hagin recognised the creative miracle upon William Marion Braham. Even though Kenneth Hagin was a healer, he usually refer cases that required creative miracle to Braham because what they need is beyond healing . A man who's finger is cut does not need a healing. He needs a creative miracle and Braham had an annointing that could make empty socket of the eye grow eye balls.

Most human sickness are caused by demons, Once you identify the spirit and cast the devil out , healing can easily take place as pastor Chris taught us. But some healings require more insight.

obojo:
@Image123
Deut 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together. ( when last did you check your label to make sure you werent wearing this)

Thanks for this scriptures, Even if for any reason. Deut 22 refers to trousers which ofcourse we know it does not, We should not be quoting it in isolation. The scripture above is also from thesame chapter and any one that will follow the law must fulfil all. If you wear synthetic material , its a sin under the law. But the law was never for we gentiles ,

I have about 5 people I financially assisted to go to the healing school. Im waiting with excitement!

Fire on jare! Go on soun!

Kenyan 28:
@Joagbage, I have no accent at ALL. I speak fluent British English with NO ACCENT at all. Its u Nigerians, Ghanias rather West Africans who have this strong accent of "oga ooo" "my broda" etc I have spoken to @drmightie who has lived in UK for sometime and somehow lost the Nigerian accent tho u hear some from a distance.

Sorry oo No offence. We say " Pastor" Some people pronounce it"Pasta" Some other pronounce it "Posta"
But all believe they pronounce right. its the other that has an accent. Sorryoo , Ogaooo. Hakuna mata taoo. Odabo oo!

This thread Is still on? I've missed a lot!

The major problem here is the misunderstanding of Deuteronomy 22

De 22:5
¶ The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

First recognising the fact that there was no male fashion or female fashion in israel those days. They all wore thesame gown! God was saying a man shouldnt wear what a woman has won. Either its tshirt o or underwear. He wasnt talking about design but a particular thing that has been worn by a woman, a man shall not put on!

But that is no longer binding because we are not under the law. So If your wife puts on your clothes ,its no longer an abormination. So trouser or no trouser was never an issue.

from: kris2glo on May 31, 2010, 11:28 AM

What do you know about the set of Christians that will be left behind after the rapture? Will there be any thing as such?

[/quote]Yes ofcourse, Some Christians will be left, especially those who have not been fruitful in the Kingdom.

[quote]Or will all Christians be rapture at the same time?

There are about 5 to 6 different raptures in the bible at different times. All christians wont be raptured same time. There is 2 to 3 raptures of christian in the bible.

@Nuclearboy,
You guys have asked questions and i answered. Even questions outside a thread sometimes.I didnt know youve become an advocate for MAN. Let sirjohn answer for himself.

@ Sirjohn ,
As a honest man seeking truth. You dont have to be evasive.Im waiting for your answer to these question. Its very simple.

@Sirjohn,
I,m waiting for your personal response.
Is there a healing anointing through Christians or ministers today
Is there a Gift of healing in the body of Christ today?
Does God still heal through men of God today?

nuclearboy:
^^^ Of course God still heals and performs miracles too. And yes, through His "Children"!

I know I speak for both Enigma and SirJohn in this.

That will be a mistake, Let sirjohn speak for himself.

Pastor AIO:
Mr. Agbaje, I almost leapt out of my chair in rapturous applause after reading the first 6 words. That would have been the most agreeable to me thing that I'd ever read you post . . . but then I kept on reading and while I still agreed however I felt the it lost some of it's elegance.

[/b]I would say it simply as
[b]Truth is anything that is Consistent.

There is a natural definition. But The definition I gave has to do with The word of God. Yours seem to be a little on the natural side. Remember a lie can also be consistent. Satan is a consistent liar.

John 8:44
He (Satan)was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Truth is anything that is consistent with God's plan and purspose for us in Christ Jesus.