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@Altheia.

aletheia:
^^^And right on cue mabell begins posting: posts #841-845.
Followed by this:
Looks like another Kenyan a.k.a drmightie scenario, bearing in mind that Joagbaje once posted as mabell and was caught out.  

Altheia come off it.I'm not Mabel and you know it. Chechk our postings. You will catch me quick. With all my impatience and punctuation errors!  I'm not doing what you and viaro are doing. Besides ," I don't belive in majority carries the vote" one man on the side of truth is enough to dispell all lies.

@sirjohn
I just got on phone with Kenya28. I believe her story. The only one im not yet clear is this IP thing i was having difficulty understanding her explanantion due to her Kenya accent. I will send her a mail for clarification. She confirms she's not a member of "CE" that's what she calls it.many thanks to you also. Your thread helped her find the truth for herself. This is about the second person that went to healingschool after reading the thread.

@sirjohn
is there a
healing anointing
Gift of healing in the body of Christ today?
Does God still heal through men today?

Image123:
And yes skirts are for the female, men can cover their head with cap, except during prayer/prophecy as scripture teaches

You could have said wrapper is for women too!.But it's not exactly so. We don't bring culture into Christ.One culture entertain certain wears another entertain other wears. It is not Gods business. In Israel , there was no male and female wear. They all wore thesame gown, both male and female.God is not in fashion as regard sex, And men don't need to remove cap for prayer. Besides , we are not under law.Even if we are under the law, The law was wrongly applied in the area of fashion by religious people ignorantly.

We can't wait to see more testimonies from the ongoing healing school. In Lagos . I sponsored 5 people there. And I trust God for their healing.

@Mabel,
thank you for these wonderful testimonies, I would have loved to post it too but. All these scanning and attachments are not just it for me. You may have to teach me.

SirJohn:
Oh really! I see! please tell us Joagbaje, is there any other crime aside impersonation for which 'Gods anointed' can be touched like: perjury, fraud, racketeering, false representation etc

If a man of God commits a crime, He should face the law. Period. But we have the deivl attacking men of God innocently. Just like the apostolic era. Men bearing false witness

Acidosis:
Trousers Are Basically Meant For Men, But Fashion Has Decieved Many! Some Can't Differentiate A Robe From A Skirt. Only An Insane Man Would Wear A Skirt Or A Bra On The Street, So Why The Trousers For Girls?

Either its for men o or women. It has no biblical hold on the christian. NO male No female.Christ is one. If God will not vex for Urhobo men with wrapper, scottish men, with skirt or kilt. Jewish men with gown,American girl with jeans, He is not angry with a nigerian lady with trouser. Either inside church or outside.

There is female trouser , There is male trouser

Sir John , and Enigma.

Does God still heal through healing ministers Today. Yes or No?

mrmayor:
Agbaje,
[size=13pt]Why didn't the spirit tell Mr Holy Anointed Pastor, that his Strong Church worker was a Fraud, a thief; that the car was stolen? [/size]

Why didnt the spirit tell Paul that armed robbers were waiting for him,Plus false brethren.

2Co 11:26
In journeyings often, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

But it's so amazing , how it's hard for people to believe in healings and miracles. So what do you believe about Christ then? Are you not supposed to do miracles too. I believe in miracles . I lay hands on sick and many recover. I cast out devil. This are simple things for a Christian that knows his rights in christ.

VALIDATOR:
Almost 3 years now that sirjohn started this thread.No single prove yet form Christ Embassy. They just can't distinguish between mere talk and real evidence.

But you know that's not true. Series of them has been posted here. Read mabels thread on healing school .

Proverbs 26:4
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.


2 Timothy 2:16
16 But shun profane[ and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

So No explanation.

chakula:
why do our men of god mess up like that, just because of money,who were remain trust if such people involve themselves in such acts.

leave men of God alone.Why blame the pastor , did he not pay? And was he aware it was stolen. You had better go and confirm if your wasn't stolen. If not we might just be reading about you next.

fyneguy:
Sir John,
Those verses you quoted do not prove that Jesus went to the hospitals looking for the sick. As a matter of fact, He called out on people to come unto Him. "Come unto me, all ye that labour, ''
Don't forget you were trying to support the post below

The point has been proven that , pastor chris is doing what Jesus did, even more.

mrmayor:
Pastor Joe,
Make you no lie, If na Christ Embassy now, you go quote " Touch Not My Anointed and Do My Pastor No Harm"

Of course you shod not touch Gods anointed as far as he is functioning in his calling and office. But Impersonation is not part of ministeri calling , it's criminal. Not for a minister. He has broken his ministerial vow. The law has to touch him.

Was there any such incidence with a Christ Embassy pastor before?. God forbid!

Another school of thought teaches that one of them would be John. And claims that
1.since there's no record of john's death.
2. Book of revelation prophesied that John would minister again, even after he had been banished to Patmos .

Revelation 10:11
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

3.Jesus had said if he wants he would keep John alive till his second coming.

John 21:20-23
20 Peter turned around and saw the disciple Jesus loved following, the one who had leaned around at supper that time to ask Jesus,"Master, which of us will betray you?"21 Peter asked Jesus,"What about him, Lord? What sort of death will he die?"
22 Jesus replied,"If I want him to live until I return, what is that to you? You follow me."
23 So the rumor spread among the brotherhood that that disciple wouldn't die! But that isn't what Jesus said at all! He only said,"If I want him to live until I come, what is that to you?"

SirJohn:
Joagbaje,
did you mean to say "You can't heal a man that does not believe"? cos if that is what you were trying to say, then I strongly disagree. the bible records various instances where people who barely believed were healed.
Secondly, I disagree with your view that Jesus didn't go out to meet the people; He actually did in several occasions.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

John 5:1-9 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

Let me pick on one of these scriptures as example for you.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and[b] healing[/b] all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

If you observe the emboldened part. That tells you the sequence. He is not goin about looking for sick people. He goes about to preach and teach. And when people come and gathered he healed them.


Mt 12:15
But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;

Mt 15:30
And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:

Mt 19:2
And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.
Mt 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them

There were few occasions that Jesus just minister to someone along the way like the dead boy and The manniac. Thats in rare cases. There are times pastor chris has ministered to others in the airport or hotel lobby etc in an unplanned way. as the spirit leads or when God brings about such situation alon the way. There are few occasions I have walked into such opportunities and a miracle took place , even from my school days. But generally. Jesus needs people's faith to heal just like any other healing minister. People to come to him. He wasnt going about looking for sick, he goes about to preach , they gather arround him . he preach and healed them. He wasnt saying " Do you need prayer over here". But those who come have shown their faith

@Kenya28,

I admonished you before to cooperate with those who are asking, If you really want to help the truth. If God healed you, there is nothing to hide, why not reveal the identity if neccesary. Even though I know certain sceptics will still not accept. Jesus couldnt covince everybody either. But the healing school magazines reveales IDs of some healed students. So its not a big deal for investigation.

I think your language is extremely harsh and abusive, I know certain posters could get on ones nerves with their insults, but you must not tow their lines to function outside our nature of love.

2Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, {patient: or, forbearing25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth

I will also appreciate your clarification on the IP issue. We cant help God, Some things do happens and we do make certain mistakes sometimes. We may have 2 posters workin in same place or living in same house, and for one reason or the other share same computer and one forgets to log out and some how,it happens that 2 diiferent posters used same IP by mistake. I dont want to believe you have double IDs because its unecessary. But a mistake has been made , You just explain it. A Nairalander has borrowed my system to make a post before and didnt log out. And by the time i did a post. behold I was a new creature!. I appologised when it was brought to my notice.

Osama10:
We have alot of mad people on the streets we've known for years let him start his miracle healing with those ones we know.


Tell your pastor chris to go to the hospitals nationwide there are loads of people he can heal there instead of deceiving his poor follows.

You can heal a man that does not believe. If the sick believe, they will come. Jesus didnt go to hospitals to heal the sick so long as they believe in the doctors but when they exhaust themselves, they come to him.

Lu 8:43
And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,

So bring them out of the hospital to the healing school.

Enigma:
These claims of "miracles" are sheer bull; obviously, you see the tactics they resort to when asked for evidence. They had x-ray, they didn't have x-ray; phone them etc all is just nonsensical dem say dem say ------ from the so-called "miracles" done by Oyakhilome himself down to claims of minions and lower like Joagbaje.

The more I read about people like you , the more appreciation I have for Pastor Chris and his messages. I wonder how the world will be if all that God has left is people like you, It would be worse than dark ages.Thank God for the message of faith. Thank God for the message of eternal life in the new creation. Rabrakasanta. Jesus thesame ,yesterday, today and forever.

Image123:
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Why did you quote Hebrews 3 for him na, he's not likely to appreciate it. I was hoping someone from his 'tithe clique' will tell him.

I guess you were right. Time to move on to more important discussions and discussants.

Its ok , you never admit youre wrong. I wont be surprised if you insist thsat Christ was not an apostle. See who is talking about selective response.

Nuclearboy,
I feel for you , I dont know your experience of salvation. If You have ever invited Jesus into your heart or just another religious fellow.
If  you are really saved , you should have fruits of a christian which is love. The nature of God in you will not allow some dirty words out of your mouth.

Mt 12:34
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Mt 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
(KJV)

Jas 3:10
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
(KJV)

You once said you are a leader of prayer group, I once asked you, what do you teach them. Obviously ,people like you lack pastoral authority over you and thats what resulted in your freelance christianity. Nobody to correct because you are not submitted to any one. Youve not been been raised. Paul raised titmothy but who raised you. Kunleoshob? I wont be suprised.

If youre leading  a people that means you are a minister, much is required of you.

2Ti 2:24
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, {patient: or, forbearing}

So learn to hold you tongue or your fingers on the computer. Make your post of spiritual edification.

Ec 7:9
Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
(KJV)

We may have disagreement like Image123 said but it should not lead us to sin or cause us to go out of the arena of love.

Of all the attacks pastor chris recieved from jealous people , have you ever heard him speak nasty words. These are spiritual trainings. He warns us never to speak evil of any minister of jesus , even if they make mistakes. His master knows how to correct or judge him. A man whose mouth can easily spew evil cannot cast out devils nor heal the sick. If you want to experience the power of God. Refrain from evil speaking and postings.

1Pe 3:10
For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile

You want to know a real man of |God? It is not by your personal definition it is simply by walking in love.

nuclearboy:
One lie is you telling SirJohn you would prove WITH AN XRAY, that someone had a hole in their heart (?) Then you later said they NEVER had the xray you'd promised. So why did you say you'd provide it when you knew it didn't exist? Liar, liar, pants on fire!

What is your business? The discussion was between me and sirjohn. A lady brought her son to church ,he couldnt walk but lying donw on his belly ,said the doctor diagnosed he has hole in the heart. It was sugested to her either by the doctor or whoever ,that she should look for Kanu because the operation will cost 5million naira. To cut the long story short ,the boy Got healed and began to run arround. Since sirjohn belives that mirtacles ended with the last apostle, I told him of countless of miracles arround us daily. I shared this child's own among many many others that even members of cec performs. He ask for medical proof if any x-ray was done after the healing to prove the hole is gone. I him to provide the 2 x-rays but on talking to the woman. She said they didnt do any previous xtray that the doctor just told her the child had hole in the heart. At that point there was no need to do any confirmatory x-ray again since there was no previous one. So i offer other testimonies to sirjohn of hiv, leg cancer etc ,which have medical report . But he began to change his language.And I felt he wasnt really sincere to have proof of a miracle.

You words state you believe you have a right to judge someone as ignorant, arrogant and childish YET you say thats not insultive? Do you understand what an insult is? Or is it that you believe if its from you, its ok but directed at you, its an insult?

That is not an insult like yours that will call someone a fool, thief, whatever.

You, a pastor says Jesus was an Apostle! See your life exposed! Christ was an Apostle

I havent said anything without bible backing. Humble yourself to learn. what do you say to this verse.

Heb 3:1
¶ Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Then you say Paul said not to rebuke IN THE SAME post where you say you are right to judge ignorance and arrogance? Did you ever read of a Royal Priesthood with ONE HIGH PRIEST? But of course, its Joagbaje and CE doctrine so the Bible's High Priest is an Apostle like Paul (your own words) and the Bible's ONE Royal Priesthood has seniority divisions You are a disgrace![/[/b]quote]

Disgrace for what??. You know, when your folly is exposed , you just turn into vomiting the remaining maggots from your belly. This your post above doesnt make sense.

Then you say "it is not God's business what chris does with what God gave him"! Maybe thats because YOU THINK the person does not belong to God, no?

Of course, Either you shave your hair,cream your hair, dye, your hair, curl your hair. Wake up bros,
[b]IT IS NOT GOD'S BUSINESS!
Why dont you back your claim with scriptures and see if your claim will stand. This agbero fight does not gel with people like us.

Bad belle for CE? There exists RCCG, Day Star, House on the Rock, Deeper Life, MFM etc. Churches some of which, are far larger than your CE and manned by humans just as CE. Only thing is, they accept they are human unlike you gods. But no, it is "fried yaks" that I have bad belle for? You're a joke!

Church is not manned by human. It is THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD

[quoteTell you the truth, I laugh when he comes on TBN. So F A K E and oily looking too!

It is envy that is killing you. I know you are one of his secret admirers. Keep watching jare you will soon be touched , Im praying for people like you.

Naming another opinionated joker like yourself as your backer just ridicules you and shows how desperate you've become.

Who is my backer. Do i need a backer? alright what did the backer say?

And stop making yourself out to be the body of Christ. I do not ridicule Christ or His body. You are very different from either. Calling yourself a cadillac won't make you one.
Christ never faked anything. NEVER! There were always witnesses and not once do yo see anyone asking for proof he did something. He it was, who usually tempered down their celebration. Your side nko? I believe its possible people have received miracles at CE just as they could have anywhere else where God chose to meet them. For now, provide SirJohn with his report, then we'll talk.
You made the claims. We ask you to prove them and you say we are the liars. FAKE!

I and Christ are one. He's in me and I,m in him. Join us.

Jesus wore skirt too!

don't you have the monthly NIGHT OF BLISS there? We do here in Nigeria in all branches . Souls are won devils are cast out regularly. Every pastor work miracleS and cast out devils as far as I know . But some cases that require mighty works which may require bigger faith , such are refered to the healing school. Why don't you ask your pastor if you're really seeking answer. Are you not supposed to work miracles too as a Christian ?

SirJohn:
My $3500 offer is still on but so that we dont enter into any unecessary argument, I have narrowed the cases covered by my offer namely:
the totally blind
totally deaf/dumb
downs syndrome
complete paralysis,
these cases are very easily verifiable without the aid of any medical personel. so I dare challange joagbaje, fyneguy, donnie, hibreality and co to bring up any of these cases as healed after the lagos session. and I will not only release my offer, I will apologize in five national daily's. QED

I'm beginning to have doubts in your sincerity to get the truth. You are giving me impression as though you have made up your mind on what to believe. You don't want to hear of any proof otherwise. You should have called those numbers and hear their testimony. I will not lie to help God.

SirJohn:
Joagbaje this is not what I requested for, you said a little boy was healed of a hole in the heart and that you can provide X-Rays to comfirm this; I said I'm game and I even offered to give half a million if the X-Rays show the before and after.
Now you're brandishing phone numbers like Kenyan28.
try harder!

Why dont you try the lines first, if youre honestly seeking truth. I had already explained the boy case why the test result wasnt available. these other people have medical results ask them on phone. IF THEY NEED TO , THEY CAN MAIL IT TO YOU

igwe

how did you achieve this is in your post

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i tried before it didnt work in bold

InesQor:
What are you saying here? It was better for him to give a wristwatch or something under compulsion because people are watching him?

I didnt say that, I only said if na man is determined to give, there is always a seed to sow. Some think its only money you give, You may give neck chain, rings, anything. I was only talking of other option. If he has enough faith to do it. I didnt say it should be compulsory. I gave my experience as one of the ways out.

WHAT i mean, if you read my post without prejudice, is that if his heart was genuinely geared towards giving to God, God has seen that already even if he didn't get to do it physically, because he judges the heart! i.e. If he had had the money he would definitely have dropped it and God knows that.

What i mean is , there is a higher level of faith than that. I dont say only if i have money, i will pay my child's scholl fees. I have to put my faith to work and get it paid anyhow. And I said if he doesnt have such faith , he should not have condemnation.

Which church system am I criticizing?

When you counsel a man and inciting against his church system , it is wrong.
This was what you said:,

This is why I think the idea of passing offering baskets is a wrong idea. There should be an offering basket in a corner where you can drop your offering before or after service, if you have an offering

.

Such opinion should have been kept to yourself, it is your personal feeling and conviction. You dont counsel another man's sheep against the system he believes in. He did not even ask you for such.You have given a fair advice to pass the bag, you should have left it like that.

Where is it written that offering bags should be passed around? What is the most important thing, is it not to collect the offering? If I have the church bank account and I wire money to it before the service, how does that take away from the fact that I put nothing in the offering bag? That's the problem with the church, SHOWMANSHIP. You install ATM machines in the church so that people can withdraw money and pay in, but you think it's not okay to have an offering box where people can drop money of their own will. Actually if offering bags were not passed around, there are people who won't give, because the need to perform showmanship of putting something in the box, is no longer there. But who cares about that? If your heart is right with God you will go and look for the bag and put money there before or after service.

People dont give offerings for showmanship .The bags are deep enough that people dont see what you put in ,even if you didnt put in anything, nobody knows. It is your box idea that will even give room for showmanship. Remember it was box the widow dropped money while Jesus and his disciples were watching how men gave. Certain opinions could be aired in discussions and arguement etc but . Its against ministerial ethics to counsel someone on what he didnt ask you especially against his pastor or church system . knowing it was just your own personal opinion.

You could have just left my post in peace. Was something in it biting you?

Sorry sir.