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 Christianity Etc › Re: 4 Categories| Parallels Between Now And When Jesus Walked The Earth by Joagbaje(m): 5:12am On Jun 27, 2010 |
I wonder which category each of us reading today falls into!None! 2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: Ephes. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. nuclearboy:Hmmmmn, I wonder what he is feeding them with, |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does It Take Money To Spread The Gospel? by Joagbaje(m): 4:41am On Jun 27, 2010 |
It does not take money to preach the gospel . But to spread the gospel? The more money you put into it , the faster the spread. Ministry like ours is making so much impact in the middle east /asia were the work of ministry has been very challenging. But we have greater result through our satelite tv station and internet hit through our websites. Many hundreds of thousands have come to accept Jesus christ as lord through these media. Personal evangelism has its place. But if you must get the gospel round the world , you must take advantage of technology, Use the media. Some satelite stations will not consider putting your programme on air except you have a state of the art studio and recording eqipment. Some recommended HD cameras may cost between 1 million to 5 million just for a camera and you may need 5 to 10. The End Time Teacher , Jack Van Impe almost had his programmes taken off air 2 years ago because his studio was regarded as outdated. He was forced to get entirely new complete state of the art studio equipment for them to continue to broadcast his programme. Now you dont buy such by fasting, you need heavy bucks. Jesus in his entire ministry had only 120 desciples and had the highest attendance in a crusade of 5,000 men . if we add women and children maybe 10,000. Someone like pastor Chris could be in a studio talking to tens of millions . Eccles. 10:19 money answereth all things. The world has changed. Old time religion will not suffice. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastors! by Joagbaje(m): 3:46am On Jun 27, 2010 |
nuclearboy:God have mearcy on your soul. Dont twist my post. Im not talking about training not to fall. In the first place, falling is not the issue, but what you recieve. People dont fall of their own will. besides , it is not everybody that falls under the anointing. My point is. officials in a church may miss out of certain things by the virtue of thier responsibilities. it is their sacrifice. But God still less them some other way. what do you think of the children church teachers that are not even opportuned to be in the main auditorium or the security dept watching over cars outside. These are all sacrifices which God will still bless them for. A job has to be done, Security men are security minded, camera men are camera minded. The anointing does not fall on people without their yiededness. You recieve by faith. Why dont the pastor fall down? The officials work with a man of God to minister to others. Its like comparing pilot and hostesses with passangers in emmergency. The persangers come first.The officials come last. Why didnt Jesus and his disciples eat the boys lunch first before the 5,000 people. afterall They were all hungry. Ministry is sacrifice. But jesus has others plans for his diciples. They take some vacations! Mark 6:31 And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat. John 18:1-2 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. [2] And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. So many ministries have certain meetings where official like these are ministered to. But God still bless them some other way because of their ministry. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Says "Take It" And People Fall. Do You Believe It? by Joagbaje(m): 2:59am On Jun 27, 2010 |
Nuclearboy nuclearboy:Who is the man im supporting here? Paul? . You should stop spreading what you dont understand. Dont apply scriptures out of contex. Jesus was talking to pharisees and not to pastors! Please JUST type out what Matthew 23: 8 says (if you truly believe you are a Christian, nothing will scare/embarrass you and nothing will make you pretend you didn't see a contrary opinion. Christ never evaded issues or questions - if you do, you are following somethng else and not the Risen Christ). Thank you.You are the one evading issues here. Why not compare your claim with the teachings of the apostles |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Says "Take It" And People Fall. Do You Believe It? by Joagbaje(m): 2:55am On Jun 27, 2010 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastors! by Joagbaje(m): 4:38pm On Jun 26, 2010 |
camera men ,Ushers etc ,Hardly fall, because of their responsibilities, Its part of their sacrifice and training. It takes a man willingness to recieve. But these people are trained in such a way that as helpers in ministry ,they recieve such blessing some other way. Ushers and protocols dont close eyes in service, to pray or dance and jump arround. Though , there are exceptional occasions when such manifestation occur to them or even the pastor deliberately minister to them . I have seen pastor Chris blow on ushers , protocols , Chior etc even instrumentalist . So dont criticise what you dont understand. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Says "Take It" And People Fall. Do You Believe It? by Joagbaje(m): 11:00pm On Jun 25, 2010 |
Nuclearboy No offence meant, whiteroses, but which would you prefer - anointing from God or from Chris Oyaks? Also, do you believe Jesus was wrong when He said those who follow Hin must NOT be called teacher, master, Rabbi or father in any form and that we are equal?You should watch this your wrong use of scriptures. You should know the context by which a statement is made. God is not against anyone being a teacher of father. Ephes. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. Ephes. 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. And this idea of being annointed equally is errronous. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 8:36pm On Jun 25, 2010 |
@ttalks I didnt do physics , I,m an artist but thanks for the great insight. I dont like to push certain things too much especially when I dont have strong authority to prove beyond doubt, so i keep my convictions on such to myself. If the bible says Paul was apparently dead. The wordbook dictionary discribes apparent/ly as an unmistakably, obviously and evidently plain. which I think was the sense of the use in that translation. Even if its not the sense of use. It is not an issue. Several bible schollars also attest to the fact that Paul died. Some schools of thought even believe that the death experience he had was the account he gave in 2corinthians about a man he knew in Christ , and also belive that that man he claimed he knew, who went up to the third heaven was actually himself. 2 Cor. 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth  such an one caught up to the third heaven. Adam Clark was a renowned bible schollar. His commentary on the passage in acts 14 reads. Supposing he had been dead.] They did not leave stoning him till they had the fullest evidence that he was dead; and so, most probably, he was.What we are dealing with here is execution and not just pursuing someone with stone to leave the city. When James was stoned to death he saw heaven opened. (3rd heaven) Some believe he was while others believe probably. maybe , maybe not. like Robert H. Kreger comments on heaven. The Bible clearly teaches us concerning a place called "heaven." The Bible actually teaches us that there are three heavens. The first heaven and the second heaven are not specifically mentioned as such. But the "third heaven" is specifically brought out in II Corinthians 12:2; Paul said, [b]"I knew a man in Christ about fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowsWell there is much on these from so many schollars, I just brought these at least you can have the views of one or two on it. Either Paul died at lystra stoning or not, My point is that we have been given dominion over death , for those who can recieve this message of eternal life. If you believe it , it will work for you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 10:48pm On Jun 24, 2010 |
nuclearboy:Nuclearboy stop using such words, I thought its a discussion. I personally hold the opinion that Paul died. And if you go back and read the post . I clearly said " personal opinion" Stop allowing your bad belle for pastor chris to turn you into another thing. I believe strongly that Paul actually died and rose. The greek word Anistemi confirms it. Whatever interpretayion you try to give it, One thing was sure. Paul rising up again was connected to the prayer of the saints. If he was not dead , why didnt he get up by himself? Read that verse again. Acts 14:20 Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 8:54pm On Jun 24, 2010 |
ttalks: nuclearboy:Must you guys make nonsensical statements? What has it got to do with oyakhilome. Did i quote him? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 8:42pm On Jun 24, 2010 |
ttalks:The understanding from wordboook dictionary was different. it means something obvious or so. I dont have it by me I would have quoted it verbatim. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 11:24am On Jun 24, 2010 |
The stoning of Paul was not like a man chasing a goat away from the compund with stone. It was execution. Sharia . It was a death sentence and not a wounding sentence. just as stephen was executed. The keep stoning until the individual dies . They have to be sure he was dead before throwing away the body. Thesame way James the brother of Jesus was killed by stoning and when he refused to die , someone smashed his head with a big stone befiore disposing the body. When you carry out execution ,you must ensure the person dies, if not its not execution. Living bible gives more insight . ACT 14:19 (TLB) Yet only a few days later, some jews arrived from Antioch and Iconium and turned the crowds into a murderous mod that stoned Paul and draggged him out of the city, apparently dead 20. But as believers stood around him, he got up and went back into the city Two things Jesus assured those who will believe in the resurrection life. 1. They will not die. 2. If they die, they will rise up again. if they believe. These two were evident in Paul's.ministry. When he was bitten by serpent , people expected him to die. but the resurrection life kept him alive from death. And when he finally exprerience death through stoning execution, He was brought back alive by the prayer of the brethren. It is very evident that the rising up of Paul was based on the prayers of the saints that gather arround him. Acts 14:20 Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: and the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe. We have to come to a place where we can take the word for what it says. John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? I BELIEVE THOU THIS![size=13pt][/size] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Touch Not My Anointed & Do My Prophet No Harm by Joagbaje(m): 5:11am On Jun 23, 2010 |
nuclearboy:I never call myself a pastor on niraland. I am on nairaland as a poster Joagbaje. Identity outside nairaland as a police, politician, pastor or bricklayer should not have anything to do with posts and threads because we simply deal on our knowledge of the word. When you respond to me, what you do is say I have "baby-teeth" and that I'm not a believer etc etc. Those are insults. When I consider the quality and depth of your posts, I wonder how you can say such - I'm not saying I am ahead of ANY Christian but you definitely do not know where I too am.I cant recollect such incidence. I onlyrespond to certain posts based on the insultive approach of name callings and personal attack they contain. Thats why I keep away from some , so as not to be distracted away from love. We ask you questions, you selectively avoid some and answer some.If there is any question I miss or forget to respond to. I will be glad to answer them. I have nothing to hide. We make statements and back them from the Scripture but you say No, its not like that, those who wrote the Bible didn;t know enough (James for example).But i gave bible reasons for such,even with scriptures. James had great truths and principles. But his doctrines had it shortcomings and the bible was clear on that. Paul didnt agree with him on such either.Paul's language was very strong on such issues. Galatians 2:5-6 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you. [6] But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person  for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: For many years, I believed like you that all Christians MUST speak in tongues. Studying without having any doctrine at the back of my mind got me to where I came to understand it is for an evangelical sign as the Word says. But you say NO and only offer spurious arguments for such. So what do you want me to do.You have to prove it that its for evangelical purpose only . Whatever you found that gave you change of mind. [1] I try to explainI admitt where im wrong, and I appologised in places I felt i needed to. The Idea of talking to robbots is not it. Robbots dont have personal opinions. Robbots dont apologise. I have mentioned in some threads that certain things are my personal views.Lets leave CEC,or Word of faith out of discussions. We should deal with tpoics and not personalities. And I dont call for supporters. Truth is not based on how many people are talking. ofcourse I wish many people that hold same view with me in some matters would show up. Not as supporters to me but to defend the truth. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 4:06am On Jun 23, 2010 |
@ll There is difference between,Speaking to the church with tongues and speaking to myself in tongues. There is difference between speaking with tongues and praying in tongues. There is difference btween praying to God in tongues personaly and praying to God corporately or on behalf of others. There is so much to deal with about the mystery of Tongues, But when you study on it again, especially ! cor 14 etc. Look out for the difference. You will have better light. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 3:57am On Jun 23, 2010 |
God didnt create death, Death was a result of sin. Both physiscal and spiritual death. spiritual death brought physical death , spirtual life also has brought immortality. He has abolished death. 2 Tim. 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel: Jesus died for our sins, and gave us dominion over sin. Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. The fact that someone sin now does not make sin right. The more a man walk in truth the less mistakes he makes. Likewise Jesus died for our sickness, pain and death. The fact that people false sick doesnt make sickness right.Thesame goes for death. Sin,sickness,poverty and death should not reign over us. Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. That is why the message of the life in christ has to spread, the more you believe in this truth , the more truth you walk in. John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Why not take time to understand what Jesus is communicating to anyone who will dare to believe this truth. In my personal opinion, I believe this was what Pauls was refering to in Philipians. Philip. 3:10-12 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [11] If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [12] Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Are you aware that Paul actually died and came back? Acts 14:19-20 And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead. [20] Howbeit, as the disciples stood round about him, he rose up, and came into the city: The Greek word for "rose" Anistemi; means rising from the ground and rising from the dead. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 3:01am On Jun 23, 2010 |
nuclearboy:Did you say you speak in tongues or I misundeertand your post? The rubbish kabashing, would have helped you understand truth. It does not need to make sense. 1 Cor. 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1 Cor. 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 2:55am On Jun 23, 2010 |
nuclearboy:Did you say you speak in tongues or I misundeertand your post? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 9:25pm On Jun 22, 2010 |
@chukwudi44 chukwudi44:The experience on the day of pentecost was a very spectacular one for a reason. People didnt see tongues of fire again after that experience on pentecost day, yet they recieved the holyghost after pentecost day. The gift of speaking in tongues has only being recorded only once since the end of apostolic times by st Vincent Ferrer in the fifteenth century.what people call speaking i tongues today is a far cry from what happened on the Pentecost day when the apostle spoke in languages they had not previously learned and people actually understood them.what obtains today is that people indulge in all forms of indecipherableIf you speak in men's tongue or tongues of men, You may be understood by men, but if its tongues of angels, your mind will be unfruitful and others will neighter understand you. You will neeed to interpret it. But on pentecost day , there was no need for interpreter.What you call gibberish is a heavenly tongue and not man's language. it may sound nonsensical, but the power is not it sound but in the power discharged. Mind you speaking in "tongues" is not the only gift of the holy spirit over the years of Christianity people have been blessed with a variety of gifts like Levitation,bi location which is today rare.But that does not mean if one does not levitate or bi locate he does not have the holy spirit.You dont need anyone to understand you except you are speaking in tongues of men.That is why Paul recommended interpretation. Why would you interprete if you speak in men's language.? 1 Cor. 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 8:47am On Jun 22, 2010 |
@MOG2009 MOG2009:The point is , Death is a choice. Pastor Chris is not planning on death. neigher Im i planning to die. If you believe in the message , You will reign over death. Death is an enemy of God. The generation that believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture. John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? If a man of God dies, It is based on what he believes. Death will rule over a man that believes in death. Enoch went by rapture, Elijah went by rapture .I go by rapture. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Touch Not My Anointed & Do My Prophet No Harm by Joagbaje(m): 8:54pm On Jun 21, 2010 |
@nuclear boy , nuclearboy:I did not neglect anything, I was going to answer everything.maybe I just got discouraged and carried away by the unteachable spirit you exhibit. It's like wasting one's time. I will reply altheia. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 7:04am On Jun 21, 2010 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: What Will Happen To Their Ministries? by Joagbaje(m): 1:56am On Jun 19, 2010 |
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? The generation that will believe this truth is the generation that will see the rapture |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 11:10pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
The question really is not even about speaking in tongues persé but rather about receiving the holyghost. If you recieve the holyghost, you ought to be able to speak in tongues. It is one major sign of the infilling of the spirit |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 10:58pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
JeSoul:The point I was trying to make is. That thesame way every Christian is called into evangelistic ministry, is the same way the infilling of the holy spirit gives every Christian that has recieved to speak in tongues , but the fact that every Christian is call to evangelism does not mean every Christian is called into the office of an Evangelist. So all Christians are supposed to recieve the holyghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues . Speaking in tongues has two sides . Tongues of men / tongues of angels. Chapter 13 :1 Though I speak with the[b] tongues of men and of angels,[/b] and have not charity, I am become[ as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 9:08pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
JeSoul:You have to be open enough on this matter. Let me ask a question. Is every christian supposed to evangelise or only few? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 7:50pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
There is a difference between speaking in tongues ,speaking with and praying in tongues and praying with tongues. They may have been interchangably used on few occasions. But an open hearted person can easily know the difference |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakilome's Phone Number by Joagbaje(m): 6:46pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
Verry Funny , anybody will recognise pastror chris voice. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 6:20pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
JeSoul:You are correct. The gift of tongues is not for everybody. But You are missing something out. The gift of speaking with Tongues is different from. The general speaking in tongues, which is a manifestation and evidence of recieving the holyghost. So there is a general praying or speaking in tongues for every christian by which he edifies himself this is not a gift on its own, but a manifestation of receiving the holyghost as gift, but there is also a special Gift of Speaking WITH Tongues. Which gives a man ability to communicate in an earthly language which he never learnt . there is another part by which the person speaks non earthly language but an heavenly one. For such he needs to interpret it to the church in a known language. 1 Cor. 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? There is difference between Speaking IN Tongues and speaking WITH Tongues. All Christians may not have this but the general one of Edifying oneself is neccessary for all christians. So in a nutshell. Speaking in Tongues Edifies the Christian but Speaking WITH Tongues Edifies the Church especially when interpreted. But if in speking to God alone by myself ,I dont need to interpret to anybody 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Speaking In Tongues A Requirement For A Christian by Joagbaje(m): 3:58pm On Jun 17, 2010 |
speaking in tongues is a necessity for every christian. Benefits of speaking in tongues are numerous. such as edifying the believer, helping the believer to pray aright. Praying in tongues is the most perfect way to pray in the will of God. Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by Joagbaje(m): 12:16am On Jun 17, 2010 |
The Clown:You have spoken my mind here. The man coins his own vocabulary to express himself and sometimes use wrong terms which somebody else might take him on. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Sunday Worship Is The "mark Of The Beast" And Sabbath Is The Seal Of God by Joagbaje(m): 10:58pm On Jun 16, 2010 |
nuclearboy:I AM CLEAN O !! Or are you saying Jesus died in vain? John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. As Aletheia has pointed out FROM SCRIPTURE (as usual and not erROR), Jesus "knew what was in man" and that "that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." 1Thess 5:13 And to esteem them Very highly in love for their work sake |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adam Bisexual Or Not? by Joagbaje(m): 4:26pm On Jun 16, 2010 |
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