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Sirjohn

SirJohn:
oh come on joagbaje, the last time I checked, that thread brought to the open the inconsistency and lies of Kenyan28 and she slipped away to avoid further embarassment.

I spoke with Kenya28 myself, I asked her questions. She was really healed! I dont have doubt about that. I wont support any lie. Because I dont believe we can help God by falsehood. Pls allow your bias to go.

You give an impression that youve taken a stand and any contrary idea must be discredited without verification.
Thats why i asked do you still believe in healing. The only ingridient that diffrentiate us from other faith is the supernaturalo. If you take away the supernatural from christianity ,it will be a dead religion. Thats what you are doing indirectly without knowing. You are killing peoples faith in the power of God.

Supposing there were some irregularities(just supposing) . Must you condemn the power of the word of God. We cast out devils daily, people vomit , a masculine voice sounds out of a woman and shouts, "this is my house" "Leave me alone" "I hate you" "I wont come out" etc and finally. We insist by the power of the word and the demons gives way and comes out. The person is healed!. And you dare say there is no more healing. What other proof is more authentic than the person that recieved the miracle.

If a man says he got healed ,you should believe it. If you cant believe the testimony of another, why should anybody believe you?

Naija_Sisi:
Belief in something which you have not yet seen, is written in the Bible, can't remember where exactly of the top of my head, but that is what it describes Faith as.

Hebrews 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Enigma:
1. You are a weasel --- in that you probably know that Oyakhilome's "PhD" is fake and you are just looking for ways to avoid facing/answering the question.

OR

2. You are an ignoramus; and you do not know what a genuine PhD is; you do not know that a PhD is a matter of very public record; for instance, in some countries a PhD candidate must not only submit his thesis to his university/institution but also to the national library of the country cocerned for public record.

AND

3. If you do not know who Isaiah 53 is referring to from the Christian perspective, you are a dunce.

Here is one more chance to redeem yourself:

May God forgive your dirty heart. I'm a DuncE. Phd is fake. What is your proof. If I prove to you it's genuine won't you call it worldly? The degree was important for umbelievers like you. Are you aware pastor Chris produced a bible? And fir such bible to be authorized internationaly, one must meet some requirement? I'm a Dunce? . And other materials will be produced soon . Commentaries etc. I'm a Dunce?

Intact you deserve a slap!

GBOGA! Take that for your face!

SirJohn:
I'm starting to wonder if you have problems comprehending the english language; are you sure you read the post you quoted? I doubt if you did so I'm calling it up again.

and for your information dude, it was four weeks not two

Blind eye to my question sir:

Ha ha, I've made several comments about Mr Ibru on NL, I was there with him for two weeks and I was there live the night Chris ministered to him, to the disappointment of everyone, Mr Ibru left in the same condition he came. he was flown abroad to continue the treatment he left before coming to see chris. The man is still a sick man, there is no cure yet for parkinsons disease.

There you go again, Who's testimony should we believe. Several months after, Mrs cecelia ibru testified on camera how her husband was heled in the healing school. You always know more than everyone else and yet you couldnt follow up on a single claim of healing to proove the lies behind it. except on your computer. You are only fighting to save your thread from disgrace its suffering, you are not fighting to proove truth.

SirJohn:
Joagbaje, turning a blind eye again?

Blind eye at what sir?

SirJohn:
The issue is not about where wheelchairs came from but the impression the healing school is trying to create. Most of these folks you see sitting on wheelchairs came to the healing school with their two legs unaided.
I've been there so I'll tell you how its done:
the healing school staff are specially trained for stuffs like this; for instance if someone came to the healing school with say a heart condition, even if it hasn't gone so bad, during the first interview, they would ask him if he sometimes experiences weakness or dizziness if he says yes then they put him on a stretcher to do the initial recording, after the recording, the person may stay the whole two weeks walking around like every other person until the day of healing, the person is put back on the stretcher and presented to chris. I don't know what you call that but to me it has fraud written  all over it

How come you know so much about healing school more than the officials of healing school. In just your two weeks stay. Why dont you go with spy camera to catch them at this your fbricated lies. After your insincererity with me , I dont trust anything you say again. I only feel for the innocent people on NL you try to lure into this you bitterenes. All ecause you took somebody to the healing school and you didnt get to see pastor chris.So you must destroy them.

If any one walked before ministration, it is not out of place. Many people start recieving healings before pastor Chris's prayer. I have sent people to healing school before and some called me to testify they were healed before pastor even prayed for them. A partiular case of blindness, She said one of the session of video watching she saw the screen before her and her eyes began to open gradually. Se began to see clearly after pastor chris ministered to her . She even gave her handset there as a seed of thanksgiving.

Was Mr Ibru not healed there?

yommyuk:
The psalms, like all Scripture, are inspired and given by God (2 Tim 3:16). Each psalm originated with a human author as a prayer or praise to the Lord. The psalms are diverse, composed as the responses of God's people to him. The psalms include lament, psalms of praise, wisdom, thanksgiving, reflection on God's mighty acts, celebrations of God's revelation, and worship.

Prayers in the psalms are more than models to be imitated. They are God's instruction for righteous living. (Psalms 1,19,119)

Psalms 27 is a very popular one believed to be authored by King David. This is a psalm that can build ones confidence and strength in focusing on the Lord. A believer can stand in faith in the presence of the Lord, engaging ones adversaries with confidence. A believer with the power of the Holy Spirit cannot be intimidated or penetrated because his/her inner security is in the Lord. Therefore a believers circumstances becomes secondary. The primary concern of the believer is in his/her openness to the Lord's instruction, timing and priorities.

Key themes in this powerful psalm are the following
Remaining Confident in the Lord

Hiding in the Sanctuary of the Lord
Holding ones head high in the midst of enemies and opposition
Waiting patiently for the Lord by being brave and courageous.

If a brethen seeks my advise on how to relieve himself /herself of stress related issues. if I say read psalm 27 X 3 times in to a glass of cold water, and say the name of Jesus X 7 times in faith and drink. Is that Satanic? Absolutely no.

Any form of ritual is satanic. Even if its the shout of aleluyah 7 times as a ritual

nuclearboy:
@Ogoamaka99:

ALL you need to say is "I stuck my foot in my mouth" OR "I'm a liar and not a man after God's heart" and I (nuclear the BOY) will let it go.

pls leave the guy alone. Stop all these manipulations. But if you'll get commited into a living church and have a real pastor over you. and be a good boy, I can get you a laptop. And I'm serious!

@ enigma ,
Well concerning pastor chris phd . I'm not in the right place to disclose such personal information.
But what has that got to do with my question. Your secretary was busy defending and covering up for you. what an escape, I never knew you to be a coward o.

Tithe and offerings were the primary way the full time ministers were supported. Because God forbade them from working.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live[ of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Part of the thithes and offerings goes to the work of ministry and part goes to the welfare of ministers.

Image123,
The law was for the Jews and never for the church. Even the Jews that had the law no longer require it now. The church is a new entity. We were newly created in christ.

Romans 3:20
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law[ is] the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 5:4
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

2 Corinthians 3:14
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which[ vail] is done away in Christ.

pls read 2cor3:6- end it should clear you on this

donnie:

your joking right?

Donnie , I don't understand what you mean

SirJohn:
J-o-a-g-b-a-j-e!!!, you only prove more and more that you know nothing about what goes on in that dubious school of chris. For your information, joagbaje, there are no such souvenirs as you wrongly believe, I used to think so as well until I went there myself. I initially wondered why the camera crew borrowed wheelchairs from some of the attendants(students) to do certain recordings until I found out they had none even though the healing school proprietor had announced that they had so many wheelchairs left behind by their previous occupants; These I found out later to be blatant lies.
The healing school in SA however has few wheelchairs and they are all clearly marked with a sticker by the side which reads 'healing school' these wheelchairs are all black and is the one used in Richards recording as well as many others if you bothered to check the healing school website.

Does it matter where the wheelchair comes from. All that count is decent Packaging . It is an internationally viewed programme. We may do "na we na we" among ourselves but something that will reached more developed community must be decently packaged. How funny will it be if pastor chris is praying for someone on the back of another person. And another thing is , someone that was brought in on the back will have difficult mobility moving arround . So if anybody is given wheelchair, you should apprciate the good gesture and not chriticise it

It's because you don't know the spirit we are of. Sorry if I misunderstood you. But you approach was harsh sha.

Altheia what is this cover up about. I know Enigma is in there. I dey wait for am! Go call am come!

Acidosis:
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Members of some African churches believed that virtually all types of illnesses are curable with the combination of reading Psalms and the use of materials like candle, apron, sand etc. They interpret the healing method as African cultural hermenentics since there are secret powers in the bible especially in the book of Psalms which is used, positively, therapeutically, and successfully to fill the missing gap left by the Eurocentric Christianity.
Personally I do not believe in it, but it works and I don't know whether to convince or encourage a guy who recieved this prescription from a "man of God".
[b]To Improve Your Memory:
Read Psalms 4, then cut four candles into three each, light them round and be in the middle of the candles, put some salts under each candle. Read Psalms 4 again (8 times) and call Holy Name ALATULATA.

It's a form of white magic. It's unscriptural. Even though they use the bible. Remember the brazen serpent God told Moses to make brought healing to many people but after that incident , some carry the brazen serpent and began to worship it. Until Hezekiah came to destroy it.

2 Kings 18:3-4
3 And he did[ that which was] right in the sight of the, according to all that David his father did. 4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and (hezekiah) brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

Don't tell me Altheia is Enigma. Enigma ought to explain himself . Pls Mr Enigma I'm waiting.

@enigma

The isaiah 53 you quoted, who was it talking about? Don't do hit and run . Come and explain.

@alexleo

Foolish talks are not difficult to notice. Did I tell you am running a ministry? Have i ever mentioned my church here like you people who go about defending your Chris Embassy or have I ever invited anybody here to my church? My own is to say the truth weather you like it or not. Because I told you the truth, now you ve come up with a fools talk. You are quoting bible for me.
 Bear ye one another's burden (6:2). Is that not also a bible quotation? you think I am a ministry freak like you people? I have my private business that is not giving me time and I belong to a church and am ok with that. Ministry freaks like you will soon leave your Chris Embassy to go and open your own church in the name of Higher calling to deceive uninformed minds into hell. I pity you ministers of food and money.
GO START A BUSINESS OR FIND A JOB AND STOP RELYING ON CHURCH MONEY. THINK OF GIVING YOUR CHURCH MONEY AND NOT YOUR CHURCH GIVING YOU.

You went beyond your prayer boundary and that makes your motive suspicious.

alexleo:
If you have need for us to pray for you over any issue, pls submit your prayer request to this email prayerpoint4all@yahoo.com
we shall be praying for you in our prayer sessions that God will answer you wherever you are but you must have faith in him
first.

if you have stopped here it would have made some sense. Even though whatever gift you have should have been to support your pastor and not forming another. But you went beyond that and started chriticising others.

Dont go about wasting your money on so called men of God to pray for you. God answers prayers free of charge and when he does that, just give him the glory. not neccessarily giving money for offering to any church except when you are led by the spirit of God. The gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is not about money. God bless you all.

Now I am not aware any pastor will ask his congregation for money for prayers. it is strange organisation of prayer contractors that does that. Distracting other men"s sheep.Imaging you criticising giving of offerings etc . All in the name of you want to pray for them . You are overstepping spiritual boundaries. Stay in your call and ministry. Submit to your pastor .

Paul had men that had grace for prayers and intercession . They submitted their gifts under Paul who was their head. Not seeking another vision.

Colossians 4:12
12 Epaphras, who is[ one] of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

What nonsense ! Did anybody deny that fact that healing school would offer stretcher or wheelchair for certain people? If a man came without a wheelchair, like some that were proped up or carried on the back. It is a matter of decency to give them one of the wheelchairs others left behind . It can be used over and over by others. Would you prefer some people rolling arround on the ground. Some of the stretchers people lay for prayers were also from healing school. Those are not issues. Did anybody deny that? We have hundreds of soveniers as a blow to the devil. Ranging from walking stick, clutches and wheel chairs.

@Ogoamaka

ogoamaka99:
@nuclearBOY,
   I thought you are a nice boy,why are you quarrelling?. Typical of a boy you call yourself.From my post did i say you are an atheist?. I said that i gave the condition i gave to confirm that you are my brother in Christ and not an atheist. Does that sentence mean that i am referring to you as an atheist , although most of your postings are more dangerous than postings by atheists to to a young believer.

ha ha ha! . Please leave our nuclear picking o , a boy has to behave boyish. And don't allow him manipulate you into buying that laptop thing. I know you didn't mean it . It was a kind of rebuke you gave him. So if he pushes you into the corner of " you can't afford it" you too will try to prove you can. If you want to sow a laptop as seed. There are better grounds that will yield you harvest. Laptop to a nuclear ground will only produce more venom online!. Leave him in his business centre Biko nunu.

Okay Oo. If you people think church is about money. Church is about lives of men.

alexleo:
If you have need for us to pray for you over any issue, pls submit your prayer request to this email prayerpoint4all@yahoo.com
we shall be praying for you in our prayer sessions that God will answer you wherever you are but you must have faith in him first. Dont go about wasting your money on so called men of God to pray for you. God answers prayers free of charge and when he does that, just give him the glory. not neccessarily giving money for offering to any church except when you are led by the spirit of God. The gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ is not about money. God bless you all.

Go and win souls to Christ, Leave other men sheep alone .The primary call on every minister is soulwinning. If others are labouring to bring men into Gods kingdom, You cant sit in one place to be diverting their attention with your so called prayers. Is their pastor not teaching them to pray. Leave other men sheep alone. It is an unbiblical ministry.

Ro 15:20
Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:

So did you contact the people and demand the medical evidence and they refused?. If i were you I would go question them, their neighbours, relatives , drag them to the doctor, asl the doctor questions. Before I come into conclusion. If its a hoax, there will be some incosistencies. All your so called investigation is inside your room. You are not serious dude.

KunleOshob:
^^^
Must be a relative of our very own dear Pastor Joe Agbaje. Churh business must be very alluring in the family.

Shey you have opened a church as I heard. How is the business over there? My fear and concern is what you are feeding them with Having nuclear boy as prayer coordinator and Aisha as financial secretary.

You said SHJ of celestial Means the [b]S[/b]ecret [b]H[/b]eart of [b]J[/b]esus in the post. I thought you would explain it.

Image123:
I wouldn't say that if I were you. There had always been a distinction of dresses no matter how similar looking. You may want to write down. Men wore breeches and women wore skirts. ,

There is no distinction between male and female gowns . A man may sometimes add a jacket to his own. If the people God spoke to didn't have trouser let's just drop the idea.any fashion distinction between male and female wear is not bible based. I agree that churches have been preaching it erronously for years

The law was never for the gentile.
And why emphasis on one aspect even though it's being misapplied. If you really want to keep the law why choose a verse. What of Verse 11

Deuteronomy 22:11
11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts,[ as] of woollen and linen together.

@sirjohn

SirJohn:
Joagbaje I'm still waiting for your reply

Sirjohn I'm begining to doubt your sincerity,credibility and motive. Initially I thought you were just distracted by your so called  experience in the Healing school. And I promised God I will help you recover from that error. And help you restor your faith by proving to you that the miraculous happen every day through us. And also help u answer some questions.

I told you I have personal testimonies of people I have prayed for and they got healed what I've learnt from the teachings of pastor chris.  You said if I could provide one case of verified healing , you will do this and that and you may even travel down to see them. I was glad , I told you of a case of a boy that couldn't walk and the Dr had said it must have been a hole in the heart. After prayer he walked and Hes still walking . I thought you will travel and see them . Interview the entire family to catch me in my lies. You demanded for xtray. Which I explained why I didn't do it. But if you want medical proof, I provided 2 more testimonies out of the many I had ministered to. A lady that got healed of HIV and after prayer, she tested negative. She has the medical report of all the tests.

Another guy had leg ulcer which Doctors defied medical treatment for 2 yeArs . After I prayed for him he got healed. For your sake I got his number and his mum. And put it on the Internet . What did you come up with. You made jest of it. And change your demand that you want a testimony of someone lame from birth, blind from birth etc. You simply proved to me you are not out to verify anything . You are just being used to destroy the faith of people in Gods word. So these questions you are asking is of no significance. Why didn't you catch me at my lies in the previous ones I supplied,

And the reasons I had to share these testimonies was not to boost my ego but to make it known that f people like me could work miracles and cast out devils why would someone like pastor Chris fake a miracle. Will it not be a sin? Will christ be glorified by lies?

Pimpu:
@mabell i expect u to supply us with more maracles from nigeria rather than showing us white folks that we can't verify.

Omo araye can't be satisfied! If she had posted testimonies from Nigeria, they will say it's CEC arranged. They were paid, etc. I'm glad it's a foreign testimony. How much will you pay those thousand foreigners ! Besides , south African government don't take nonsense. We know what we went through holding a crusade. It's just like Uk . They have rules , demands , procedures , permits. Protocols that must be followed before you can have approval or permit.

Well healing school is going on presently in Lagos . Shey Mabel has already promised us some testimony.

shadrach77:
personally i believe it's pastor chris oyakhilome - what do you think?

There is no best dressed pastor, They are not in competition ,It will be a distraction to even nuture such idea. so there is no standard of judgement besides " best dress" is relative.

SirJohn:
Did you mean 'packaging'? yeah that what the whole CEC thing is all about 'packaging' or 'Make believe' in other words

why don't you try and preach with hair unkept , mouth unbrushed , clothes unwashed . And see how many will listen.

@Donnie,
Thanks o. I would never have believed that there is so much ignorance arround untill I visited NL.
I am praying For outpouring of God's revelation upon many posters here.

@Altheia,

Why the anger and tirade? Because I told you that it is the Holy Spirit that wins souls not pastor Joagbaje? I guess your pride was hurt.

If you think you can have the pleasure of making me angry, You are making a big fat mistake. I have enough room in my heart for all the anti church, anti holyghost and accusers of the brethren. To love you and pray for you.