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Enigma:
@Joagbaje

In reply to This Your Post, all I can say is that I pray that one day you will come to a true understanding and full appreciation of those passages; to realise that they deal with heavenly, spiritual blessings and not material prosperity. Only God Himself can deliver you from this sad sad error --- granted He might use human beings.

Also, you said:

You are indeed adding to scriptures --- and the Bible warned against that! Otherwise WHERE in the Bible does it say that any "pastors" or indeed anybody else took tithes whether in "these churches" or elsewhere??

youngies:
Poster Joagbaje please deny or[i] confirm[/i] that you are one and the same person as Pastor Joe Agbaje of the Christ Embassy Church in Yenagoa
Failure to do this by your NEXT post will certainly dismiss or confirm to a large extent the assertion that pastors are crooks

tbaba83:
u liars. the richest man in the world is not even a christian. So how was he prosperous without tithes and offerings. Nigerian pastors are all thieves.

slap1:
@poster. You didn't answer my question. I told you the pastor started abusing us even before we tried to seek his permission. And we entered 2ru d open gate, so don't say we broke in. Finally, even if we broke in as you said, why would a pastor tell us to our face that he was going to report us as murderers when we have only come to play football?

Enigma:
I have tried to be gentle with him but I am sorry to say that he is really beginning to annoy me now.

@Joagbaje

That is the truth; I have been busy but I will deal with some of your posts in the other thread later; but really really really ---- I am sorry to say that the fraudulent pastors have soooo brainwashed you that you cannot see your own blindness and you dared to say that James the brother of Jesus who walked with Jesus for years, who heard Jesus' teaching first-hand, who was one of those whom Jesus Himself charged with the responsibility of founding the church was "a religious man" who does not know what you and your criminal and fraudulent "pastors" know --- "as he was not a standard for the church"!!!


How dare you --- how very dare you?

That statement more than anything will tell you, if and when by God's grace you come back to your senses, that what you have been brainwashed into believing is not Christianity but another gospel!!!

Edited.

becomrich,:
Why would a pastor want to be a kidnapper in the first place.  my friend nobody, is been label a thief. It is only the thief that are worried. look an african pastor, very know from ghana was arrested at the airport abroad, for having a stun gun.

He use the stun gun to transmit the holy spirit to people. How can that be a man of god.

Look you given the church or pastors have become more of a scam nowadays. people now become pastors  because it is more profitable than other jobs.

Ephes. 4:28
   Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Nobody want to work anymore , everybody want to take from others.




Psalm 105:15
   Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.


Not every pastor is God anointed or prophets.  


Were the scribe not anoited when Jesus insulted all of them and called them names.?  Why would Jesus do that? because jesus knews they were all 419.


Do you know that Jesus even went into the temple and show them the Isale eko way. Let me use the Isale eko style.  Jesus said " Eyi boys, ki le se ni Ile baba mi, before I count 123, you better disappear"

now let me drop the joke. Jesus went into the temple and give it to the priest. He called them names. Becomes he knew they where deceiving the people.
The pastors of the bible were not gentle men, they were all radical. That why they killed them all. Was Jesus a gentle man, when he throw all thier goods out of the place. No.  Jesus was a radical, that is why they killed him.

All his followers too were killed. most of the prophet in the bible were killed.


Now look at the church now. When governors, president go to Nigeria church, they put them in high place  and make them speak to the people. When the bible said, not even just the Bible said, but JESUS said. Jesus is the reason, why I am christain. Jesus is the reason, why I am born again. Jesus said. When rich or powerful comes to a church, DO NOT GIVE THEM A HONOUR SIT. let them sit among the church members. What do you find out among Nigeria churchues,  

Can someone shout amen, am I, telling a lie?. Go to nigeria, who sit before the church,? who address the church? president , governors? federal cabinet ministers?


Now pastors can not speak the truth to the president or governors. Pastors now collect egunje.


Church is not about how much you can steal from the people but how much you can give to them. How much have the church contributed to the people of haiti. Are we sending people to help them. I will buying land to relocate them back to africa. if they want. This is what church is about.

I remember  when I just came to canada, an older member of the church,we call her Iya tiwa, mrs kolawole gave me her car to drive. I told her I did not want it, and after pushing me and demanding I have it, as pastor concern. I   went to park it somewhere I never drove it a day.

what was my reason at that time. She had one car, and gave it to me a young pastor to drive, while she would be taken the bus. Her first child was older than me. I did not feel comfortable with the idea. I tried to give her back her car. She refused. I never drove the car for one day. I felt guilty, that i would be driving the car while she was taken the bus. I never drove the car for one day.

But nowadays , pastors trys to rob people. They stand on the alter and lie to get them to give.

people now give what they do not have.

Some pastors tell tell to go and borrow.


a pastor reward use to be in heaven. But now pastors demand it most be here on earth.

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C me o:
One point I would like to make clear here is the referring of some people here to be pay tithes, offerings, etc and get much back in return. It is universal truth that you dont have to be a christian or a believer to be blessed. Apart from this, Jesus made us know that "Give and it shall be given unto you" (Shall makes it a promise) If you give to you the poor people on the street or anywhere, be sure to receive back more than you gave. If you want to prove me wrong, try paying your tithe or whatever to the people on the street (especially those you know they really need it) and see if you wont be blessed more than you ever thought. Also God and God only bless and not your pastor.

I would allow like to draw attention of one of the posters to his saying that no more poor people, did i read in your post that Jesus or any of his disciples mentioned mentioned poor? If yes, then there were and are poor and they acknowledged it, if not they wont talked about poor.

becomrich,:
2 Cor. 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

you that wrote this, rich in this part of the bible is not money. Jesus did not have money. Jesus had no money, So false pastors twisting this portion of the bible is wrong.

Yes it is good to have money. Work hard to get money. But dont go and steal. In one nigeria church. A member stole 10 million to buy generator for the church. Is the God wealth. No.

Work hard. Do business, this is the only honest way to make money. Going to rob others, is not an honest way.

becomrich,:
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20

1 John 4:1-3,

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. (2) By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, (3) and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2 Peter 2:1-3,

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. (2) And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. (3) By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

1 Corinthians 11:13-15 the apostle Paul describes those who preach another Jesus as:

For such are false apostles , deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


2 Peter 3:16

harakiri:
What really irks me the most is when these mentally-deranged-bible thumping-dimwits start quoting bible verses and pointing out where the lord instructed that "touch not my anointed, and bla bla bla".Have any of you nincompoops ever ask yourselves WHO THE HELL ANOINTED THEM? Anybody can just wake up tomorrow and spread tales about "receiving the divine call from above". The thing is, once you put God at the end of any sentence, it is certified as authentic and unquestionable.What a bunch of lames! That's why I'm always wary of people who always put God,God,God in every sentence they make e.g Cecelia Ibru and Erastus Akingbola! It's usually those that "authenticate" all their statements with "God" punctuation's that are the worst crooks and thieves.

harakiri:
Furthermore, this is directed at the members of Christ Embassy,Synagogue,Christ Charismatic,MFM and other uncountable "signs and wonders" churches.I'm aware that a lot of you are more than willing to lay your pitiful and worthless lives for your pastors.I'm pretty sure a good number of you will readily attach explosives to your under pants like Umar Farouk Muttalab and bomb an airplane just to please your pastor.Your pastors work miracles right? Have any of you brainwashed nincompoops ever ,

harakiri:
"man of god" why he only "heals" people within the confines of the church?How come the people always look healthy,fresh and different from the real invalids on the street?Why can't your almighty anointed go to general teaching hospitals and heal the thousands of people wasting away there?How come the "blind" who receive their eyesight in Christ Embassy always know what color of coat Chris Oyakhilome wears?Imagine someone who hasn't used his eyes for once in his life time identifying Chris suit as being "white as snow"?What kind of brainwashing do you people undergo there that has numbed your senses to simple logic/reasoning?You are all being scammed outrightly and you still have it in you to come here and thump bible verses with impunity.How dare you!

harakiri:
From the bible, Jesus obviously lived a modest/struggling life.He walked the streets of Jerusalem/Samaria. . .he never used a horse for one day.The only time he enjoyed transportation comfort was during his triumphant entry into Jerusalem and he was on DONKEY! Not a horse but a freaking uncomfortable donkey.I don't know if you've seen a donkey up close and personal but it's not exactly something you would like to rely on for transport.Today, "men of god" ride in porsche cayenne's,BMW x6,infinity fx 50,S-class,BMW 7 series and stretch lexus. If you question them, they will quote scripture and tell you that their God is not a poor God but in the same bible, Jesus told Nicodemus :

harakiri:
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God!

Evidently the rich pastors and their members aren't going to heaven. Why can't people open their common sense when it comes to religion?

Bokoharam:
Most ( I repeat & mean MOST) pastors are crooks. THey choose what favours them to preach and drop what Christ preached b/c it doesnt favour pastors. Christ NEVER emphasised money, tithe/tithing. Rather CHRIST encouraged PERSEVERANCE, LONGSUFFERING, LOVE, FORGIVENESS. Tell me where Christ preached Tithe in the Bible, except where he used it to criticise d pharisees & saducees?

Pastors choose what favours them. Do u know in that same law & old testaments, the Bible says a menstruating woman should NNOT come to the church? Why dont the pastors obey this one? Simply b/c half of d women population will miss church every Sunday; loss of money to the pastor. Why dont we buy goats & rams and burn them? Why?

N101:
If someone misappropriates money, that is stealing.

If someone chooses not to be accountable financially to the church from whom tithes are gleaned, it's another form of robbery.

If anyone has set up a separate system for generating money in the church but it is not shown in the church accounts, that could be considered fraudulent.

When someone asks for money to pray for you, that is fraudulent.

Are there pastors who steal? Yes. Are there pastors who are crooks? Yes. A crook can be labelled such irrespective of calling or occupation.

As far as I'm aware, those who steal - in whatever form that takes - know they had no special dispensation for this, it is not a remit of their "calling". Just because someone appears to be "God's anointed" does not make them immune from fraud, stealing or robbing. Judgement begins with the house of God and as far as I can see, Pastors and church leaders are not immune from this.

Incidentally, the objective of tithing is not to give to get - if that is the case the tither has already received their reward. God allows the rain to fall on the just and unjust, why should tithing make Christians exempt from difficulties? Is it an attempt to bribe God, because that is how it sounds.

@Ojame, I get you, having seen things from a different angle where the mess that some churches submitted as their accounts had to be corrected externally (the equivalent of "special measures".

becomrich,:
which bible are you using

here is it,
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

becomrich,:
There is song, call

Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Its good enough for me
It was good for paul and silas
It was good for paul and silas
It was good for paul and silas
Its good enough for me
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
It would take me up to heaven
It would take me up to heaven
It would take me up to heaven
Its good enough for me
It was good for paul and silas
It was good for paul and silas
It was good for paul and silas



Why do I want to sing this song. The real is what was the gospel of christ? is what pastors are now preaching part of the gospel of christ. No.

Paul and silas went to jail, that is the gospel of Jesus, Jesus carry the cross, that is the gospel of christ
This is the gospel, there is no other gospel.

The bible says at the end times, many would come in my names(PASTORS) deceiving the elect.

blackcypha:
hell yes,
they buy private jets with church funds,
ride the most expensive cars,
live in plosh apartments
send their kids to the best schools abroad at the expense of poor members,
plz what will you call all these,
@poster i think u r a pastor too so u aparently r a crook like them, ther is no proof dat jesus whom they claim to copy lived affluently, think!

Pastor AIO:
Even the laws on the OT are based on spiritual principles, only that they fall short of achieving the goal of the principle. That is why Christ says that he fulfills the laws. The laws says 'thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife'. Yet Jesus tells us that those who haven't committed such an act can still fall short of the principle on which the law is based simply because they thought it even if they didn't do it.

The law deals with deeds and words, yet the principles are about Thoughts, words, and deeds. In other words the concern is with the entirety of the person and not only his actions.

Pastor AIO:
Furthermore there is no evidence (statistical) that those that tithe are immune to financial setbacks. Anyone that claims so should please bring the evidence.

Pastor AIO:
Tithes in not a financial security scheme.

It is a form of worship. There is no where in the bible where it says that tithing is for financial security.

bee444:
[Tithes and firstfruits were not laws . they were spiritual principles by men of faith . We are seed of Abraham. We give tithes ,not because of the law but honor to Our God.
]

I think you're a bit confused about the issue of tithe! If tithe is ACTUALLY a spiritual principle, then all the principles in the bible(OT) used by all men of God should still stand.

Ps, I have not labelled any pastor as thief, but does that means if you don't give your tithe you don't get blessed?

I have seen so many rich Christians even wealthy ones that gives offering but don't pay tithes! Are you now saying they are cursed according to Malachi 3:10 for not paying tithes? I don't think so.

bee444:
[Tithes and firstfruits were not laws . they were spiritual principles by men of faith . We are seed of Abraham. We give tithes ,not because of the law but honor to Our God.
]

I think you're a bit confused about the issue of tithe! If tithe is ACTUALLY a spiritual principle, then all the principles in the bible(OT) used by all men of God should still stand.

Ps, I have not labelled any pastor as thief, but does that means if you don't give your tithe you don't get blessed?

I have seen so many rich Christians even wealthy ones that gives offering but don't pay tithes! Are you now saying they are cursed according to Malachi 3:10 for not paying tithes? I don't think so.

Tithing Is God's system of financial security for us. Anybody can make money. Even umbelivers. God does not curse anybody. When the enemy come striking ,Gods security is your defence. A time of financial crisis like this when the devil come visiting. Many millionares have crashed out. but the righteous remain strong. Tithing will cause ideas to flow to you and opportunities. If you have some money as a none tither , It would have been better if youre a tither. But its not by force. Everyone work according to his revelation. If you dont believe in tithing, fine. Work with your convictions. But for tight handed individuals to start attacking those who tithe and believe in tithing is wrong

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

bee444:
@fant
I'd rather you check your post and correct some of your mistakes. Who are God's agent you mentioned? Pls for God sake don't ever use psalm 105:15 to support your argument again! We're all God's anointed, just 4 the record, ok!

bee444:
Malachi, malachi, malachi!!! If you're so much incest with it,then you should obey all what the OT says e.g 'eye for an eye' etc

KunleOshob:
@Joeagbaje

Not that it would make any difference to your lost soul but i would still post the scripture below maybe it would still prick something in you.

James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

texazzpete:
See the way you contemptuously dismiss efforts to help the poor as 'kobo kobo'. Do you know how many true Christians are out there helping those with genuine needs? So if you go out and pay the school fees of motherless kids in the orphanage, it is 'kobo kobo' abi?
You confirm my convictions that you are a fake Christian. Even with the parable of the Widow's mite fresh in the Bible, you can still deride such acts of Love? Or has your version of Christianity carefully excised all mentions of poor people out of the Bible?
It matters not if your church has built a computer center once upon a time in Port harcourt. The chief order Christ gave to christians is to love one another. Jesus himself spoke of personal charity numerous times. Why not listen to the words of Jesus Himself?
Or are you too far gone to remember that Christian = follower of Christ?

You preach that salvation is personal. So why is it then 'kobo kobo' to carry out acts of love and charity on a personal level? So Salvation is personal, but Love and Charity must be done through the church. Nice.
FYI, Jesus will not ask you what your church did. He'll ask what YOU did!

All you can do is provide obscure bible passages, twisted beyond recognition to fit your argument. You cannot even provide a direct order from Jesus telling us to tithe and sow seeds. However we both know how many times Jesus stressed the need to cater to the poor, and stressed how much blessings you can receive from charity works and acts of love.

But we both know all you understand from the bible is what your pastor tells you. . .

KunleOshob:
On the contrary to the highlighted above they twist scriptures from the bible to deceive believers into giving money to them. The emphasis of christian giving in the bible is to give to the poor and the needy and NOt greedy men parading themselves as men of god.

slap1:
Some of them are not just crooks but outright idiots, fools, morons, imbeciles, bandits, conspirators, liars and non-entities with corrupt and venomous 'Abdulmutallabic' conscience **gasps for breath** . Just this morning I went to play football in a school compound with my friends. The owner of the school ( A GENERAL OVERSEER OF A PENTECOSTAL CHURCH) came out and ordered us out b/4 we could even beg 4 permission, calling us names. My friends cursed him back. He picked a long piece of wood and came to attack my friends who easily over-powered him, about ten of them, and threw away his weapon. He dressed up and told us he was going to call the police and tell them some heavily armed boys had come to his house to murder him. We called his bluff. Now, what do you call that kinda 'pastor'?