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Christianity EtcRe: Does God Really Frown Against Ladies Wearing Trousers? I Need Your Opinion by Joagbaje(m): 8:45am On Feb 13, 2010
@ Poster
you are right nothing is wrong in wearing of trouser by ladies, There is different between female trousers and male trouser. The bible is not against trouser .The only problem is a misunderstanding of just one scripture.

Deut. 22:5
    The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.


They didnt wear trousers those days in Israel.In Israel there was no male dress or female dress, They all wore gowns and there was no difference between the male gown and the female gown.They didnt have fashion design those days.
Men wore gowns and skirts as well as women.That was one of the reasons that the altar did not have steps, but rather they ascend the altar by a ramp because there was no underwear or trouser.

Exodus 20:26
    Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy unclothedness be not discovered thereon.


So what was Deut 22 making reference to? It was saying that a man should not wear the particular gown with a woman. eg . a husband put on his wife's gown.Because women were objects of uncleanness and also God was against mixing. This was symbolic ;to distinguish Israel from other nations. Those laws of diversity were for that purpose. Dont mix or mingle. All that has been abolished in Christ.Even if it ever refers to trouser, we are no longer under the law and I wonder why people only quote that verse only and leave out verse 9 and 11

Deut. 22:9
    Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.


This means it was a sin to plant different things in one farm.

Deut. 22:11
    Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.


All of us would have certainly been guilty of this. These laws were given to show God was against Israel mixing up with other nations. Israel was chosen as holy nation while the gentile nations were called unclean,
But when Christ came he had brought us together as one.

Galatians 3:28
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


these laws of diversity were to drive the point home of how God hated mingling. Some animals were called unclean ,to symbolise the gentiles also.


Acts 11:7-9
    And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat. [8] But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. [9] But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.



Acts 10:28
    And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.


If anybody is against women wearing trouser, it is a personal thing but the bible should not be used as reference
Christianity EtcRe: First Fruit Of Labour by Joagbaje(m): 9:59pm On Feb 12, 2010
@Arté

Arté:
Also see Proverbs 30:8 -
8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.


9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, 'Who is the LORD ?'
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God


You see that Mabell? This prayer is from Solomon himself! the wisest man according to the bible to have ever lived. How much more should we puny followers follow his example! He asked for neither poverty nor riches, just enough to live comfortably.
This your wisest man that you so much believe in and you try to patern your life after, are you aware he ended up worshipping idols. In all his mighty wisdom that you emulate.

1 Kings 11:4
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create An Evil Tree? Did God Tempt Man? by Joagbaje(op): 9:40pm On Feb 12, 2010
@Traugott

Traugott:
@Joagbaje: You missed my point, sir. I was explaining the meanings of the words "peace" and "evil" as opposites to one another. See the MESSAGE translation (which I must confess, I really like):

Isa 45:7 I form light and create darkness, I make harmonies and create discords. I, GOD, do all these things.

The way I see it is that, God does WHATEVER he pleases, and he always has his way. The question is "Are you IN his way, or ON his side?" because whatvere is in his way gets crushed. So Viaro is correct in saying that Isaiah and the other OT prophets knew what they were saying. One needs to stay alert to the "two" qualities in God, He will not be limited in action or form of expression.

Rom 11:22 Make sure you stay alert to these qualities of gentle kindness and ruthless severity that exist side by side in God--ruthless with the deadwood, gentle with the grafted shoot. But don't presume on this gentleness. The moment you become deadwood, you're out of there.

I also do not agree that evil spirits were not known in the OT, and that demonology was a strange thing. e.g. In Jewish mystical books, it is believed that Solomon had control over thousands of demons that he sent on diverse errands. And in the Bible, we have:

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

And this was GOD speaking in Zechariah about an unclean spirit:
Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
I,m sorry if i misunderstood you, i will still read your post over again just incase i miss something. I agree with you that there was demonic activities those days ,idol worship, witchcraft activities etc. But the point I was driving at was that people generaly attribute events both good and bad to the sovereignty of God. That he is behind every thing. I once had an encounter with an Eckist and he told me that all these bible we carry about is nonsense,that good and bad work together . God and the devil work together,and he said ; on the day of judgement we will be surprised to see God and the devil sitting together sipping beer!. I know that doctrine, and it does not agree with the concept of God's justice.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create An Evil Tree? Did God Tempt Man? by Joagbaje(op): 6:35pm On Feb 12, 2010
viaro:
I'm sorry, but you don't have half the light that Isaiah had - and other prophets were consistent in bearing the same message. The only one deviating from them is you, and I have not see how you have managaed to rise above their own light.

Although God is love, have you also forgotten that "our God is a consuming fire", Hebrews 12:29??
I have the life of Christ in me which Elijah never had.
Well I dont have much to say with you here, I cant blame you for the level of truth you dont know. When you really get to know who the new creation is, you will know who you are in christ, and all these truths will no longer be mystries to you. The newest convert today in Christ is more than all the prophets put together.

Matthew 11:11
Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding[b] he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he[/b].
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create An Evil Tree? Did God Tempt Man? by Joagbaje(op): 3:26pm On Feb 12, 2010
viaro:
@Joagbaje,

I'm afraid you have not studied God's Word carefully and seem to be quoting it to suit your own convenience. Rather than take every line in your post and deal with, let me make an observation that captures the essence of the way you tend to regard prophetic statements:

It were better for you to say that you don't understand Isaiah's prophetic declarations than try to judge it as inaccurate. Humble men show their dignity by accepting that they do not understand some of the things that Isaiah declared, such as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8:30-31.

Isaiah was not telling us what he thought in Isaiah 45:7 - rather, he was declaring the utterances of God giving him by prophecy. The personal pronounce 'I' in verse 7 flows on from verse 5 ('I am the LORD. .'). It was still the LORD speaking in Isaiah in verse 7 who Himself said that He forms the light, and creates darkness: I makes peace, and creates evil - and here the problem is on the nebulous word 'evil': what does it mean as used there? He attests to these things by saying, "I the LORD do all these things".

It was not only Isaiah the prophet that declared such things prophetically - other prophets did, and would you be saying they were inaccurate as well? Let's remind ourselves of a few:

[list](a) 'Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?' ~ Amos 3:6

(b) In Ezekiel 14:15-21, God Himself makes clear the sort of 'evil' He brings to an ungodly nation or people:
[list]* 'noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it'
* 'a sword . . to cut off man and beast from it'
* 'a pestilence'
* 'my four sore judgments: . . the sword, the famine, the noisome beast, and the pestilence'[/list][/list]

These are just examples - and the NT openly declares both aspects in clear terms:

'Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off' ~ Romans 11:22

People have a choice to continue in God's goodness - and to those who choose to qualify themselves for His severity, He has promised to mete out His severity. On this issue, ALL the prophets of both the OT and NT are agreed, so there's no need trying to play 'Joagbaje' here by saying that Isaiah was not correct in what he declared in chapter 45:7. . . otherwise you would also have to find a way of saying that all the prophets were also not correct, so we know for sure that you are not committed to God's Word or just seeking a religion of convenience. Does it then surprise me that you would be so far gone as to impugn upon the declarations of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?
My sister, God is not author of evil .I know quite well the erronous doctrine you have believed ,but its not consistent with Gods nature. I have greater light than Isaiah, God is love.

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.


1 Cor. 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.


God is not behind pestilence and famine.The devil is.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 3:04pm On Feb 12, 2010
Arté:
Perhaps Paul was just telling a joke here?
You would do well to heed to Proverbs 30:8-10

8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
      give me neither poverty nor riches,
      but give me only my daily bread
.

9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
      and say, 'Who is the LORD ?'
      Or I may become poor and steal,
      and so dishonor the name of my God.


Was this writer also joking just like Paul?
Childish prayer, Its not meant for a christian. So did God answer that prayer.

Deut. 8:18
   But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth.


im sure your bible didnt read "power to get poverty"

Paul never recomended suffering of sickness, but suffering of persecution.

2 Tim. 3:12
   Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 2:31pm On Feb 12, 2010
Arté:
I am scared of people according to the persuations of Joagbaje. That even when truth is staring you dead in the face, you prefer to look to the left and continue in falsehood.

If you read the article, it is not calling for christians to live in poverty or to be materially poor. It is saying to strive not to be materially rich, but to seek joy and satisfaction in GOD, in the pursuit of knowing and understanding Him and His ways - not in physical wealth and comfort.

God wants us to prosper, He wants good for us as the scriptures teach, but we misunderstand what the word is truly saying because our definition of prosperity is so different from His, our definition of good, is so different from His.
I know your big brothers sent you to paste such article, It is against God's plan for a new creation. There is no provision for sickness ,struggle and poverty in Christ. Do you what it means to be one with the father?
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 1:51pm On Feb 12, 2010
@ mba emeka

mba emeka:
@ kunleoshobi
in one post you were commending TB Joshua for giving a lot towards the haiti cause, now how would he have been able to raise such amount (3mill $) if he wasnt loaded? hope you know having money and being prosperous are two entirely different things all together. what do you think jesus meant when he said blessed are the poor in spirit?
my advise for people like you is that if after seeing this you still hold on to your satan supported scheme then you should do so by encouraging yourself(ves) only, dont come here casstigating others for not seeing it the same way you do.
A confused person is characterised by instability, Thats KunleOshob for you. Is he inside synagogue to know how money comes in and out. or in Christ embassy to know the activities. It takes demonic influence to make those kind of assertions.

Jude 1:10
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 1:38pm On Feb 12, 2010
nuella2:
@viora
A man that has christ is already rich, Jesus came so we can be saved i know. But it is my fault that he also became poor so i might be rich and that by his wounds am healed. So should i just shout am saved and not shout am rich and healed?
This is the truth many have not come to comprehnd, If a man has embraced Christ he has been lunched out from the realm of poverty to fulness of life. Poverty is a state of being , not just absence of money,  Any man that suffer today , his suffering is due to his ignorace. Jesus brought fullness of life.

One is not talking down on the poor, but this is the message the poor needs, There is no average health, The same power that granted dominion over sickness granted dominion over poverty.
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 12:52pm On Feb 12, 2010
@ viaro

Whatever you mean by Word Of Faith. The name doesnt sound negative to me. Have you read this passage;

Romans 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;


Or is there any other Word Of Faith?
Christianity EtcRe: Christians Lets Discuss - The Law Of Seedtime And Harvest Time by Joagbaje(m): 12:41pm On Feb 12, 2010
KunleOshob:
Pastor, i would continue to remember you in my prayers and pray for the redemption of your soul so that you would truely get to know and experience Jesus. I also pray you don't continue to lead those who genuinely seek God away through your poisnous version of the gospel. I had thought you would learn a thing from the article on top of this page but apparently your heart is hardened like that of pharaoh. I hope you don't let it lead you to destruction.
How can a spiritual vagabond pray, if God didnt hear sons of Sceva how will he hear you. If you know Christ ,you will love the church he laboured for and not be destroying, Mr freelance christian.

2 Peter 2:10
selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians Lets Discuss - The Law Of Seedtime And Harvest Time by Joagbaje(m): 11:53am On Feb 12, 2010
KunleOshob:
I believe joagbaje has toned down on his prosperity garb a bit since he joined this forum. God is touching his heart and slowly revealing the truth to him. It is just a matter of time he would soon denounce the false gospel. I only hope he would be able to look his boss in the face and tell him he has been leading them astray and taking advantage of their human greeds.

1 Cor. 9:25
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible
.

To be temprate talks about sellf dicipline, If a natural man can discipline himself to stay on track how much more a christian . practice focus on the thread, I know you are only manifesting whats inside, but try hold youself for the thread sake.

James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.





Little children are you stillon ths level?
A christian is supposed the be an example of self discipline,
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 11:35am On Feb 12, 2010
viaro:
It all depends on what you mean. If by 'rich' you are pointing to materialism, then quite the opposite is true - God does not want His children to be focused on materialistic pursuits ("if riches increase, set not your heart upon them", Psa. 62:10).

There are many things that are of more value than an urge to pursue wealth and material riches. I'll give just one for now - "A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold" - Prov. 22:1.
The bibles you have in every hotel place there by thee Gideons, do you know how much Billions are involved?. God desire for you is not just to have enough but to overflowing, So that lives can be touched. We are not talking about aquisition for selfish reasons here. But people should know that the average mediocre life is not God's plan.
A man that is self centered will only enter labour

Proverbs 23:4
   Labour not to be rich: cease from thine own wisdom.


Tim. 6:9
   But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.


But a man who is rich unto God is different, he makes money with a purpose , which is to expand God's kindom. and reaching the unreached.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Are These Two Witnesses by Joagbaje(op): 11:15am On Feb 12, 2010
@ OLAADEGBU

Pls I will appreciate if you create a thread fro your daily devotional. We should focus on the topic on this thread except if the devotional is contributing to the topic

thanks
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create An Evil Tree? Did God Tempt Man? by Joagbaje(op): 11:05am On Feb 12, 2010
Traugott:
@Joagbaje + Inedi: An accurate translation of the Hebrew Isa 45:7 from Hebrew to English is "I create light and also (the absence of light) darkness. I create harmony in things and I also take it apart (the absence of harmony). . ."
English is weak to convey the word translated evil.
Feel free to investigate what I said above. You are blessed
Thanks , Actually from my study of Gods word, it is very evident that men prophesy according to their measure of faith. Isaiah was not correct here ,

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


In those days generally men believe God was behind every thing, both good and evil.There was no revelaion of demons as much as now.if a man dies ,it is believed God killed him. People wrote prophecies according to the light they had. compare these two scriptures by different writers yes same story:

2 Samuel 24:1
And again the anger of the[b] Lord [/b] was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.


1 Chron. 21:1-2
And[b] Satan [/b] stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. [2] And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beer-sheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it.


who made David number Israel, God or Satan? A man prophesied according to his faith(revelation).

Romans 12:6
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;


That means a prophet word may not be 100% accurate. That is why prophecies can be judged by truth.(the word)

1 Cor. 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and[b] let the other judge[/b].


Jesus didnt have 100% result all the time either. He said lazarus will not die but lazarus died!.

John 11:4
When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death


But thank God he didnt get dicouraged, he called him forth from the dead.
Christianity EtcRe: "Most Christians Infected With Prosperity Gospel" by Joagbaje(m): 10:08am On Feb 12, 2010
God wants you to be rich. Poverty is a curse.

It is not the will of God for anyone to be poor. Poverty is a curse.

Proverbs 14:20
   The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.

Proverbs 10:15
   The rich man's wealth is his strong city: the destruction of the poor is their poverty.

Proverbs 22:7
   The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.


A poor man cant help anybody,not even himself. But God wants us to be great enough to help others and be a blessing.

Genesis 12:2
   And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:


The devil detroys people's lives and destinies. Especially in Africa, anybody that tries to excell will be brought down .witchcraft activities  paralyses helpless families. but the good news of the gospel is that there is way out.

Luke 4:18
   The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


The good news is that the captives can be free, the poor can be rich.

2 Cor. 8:9
   For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.


The Greek word for "rich" plouteo: means to be wealthy and increase in goods.
Paul was given a mandate by Christ to deliver men from power of satan into their inheritance

Acts 26:18
   To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the[b] power of Satan[/b] unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and[b] inheritance[/b] among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.


Inheritance Gk Kleros: heritage by birth,aquisition

Paul didnt forget his mandate.

2 Cor. 6:10
   As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many[b] rich[/b]; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.


The word "rich" Gk Ploutizo: to make wealthy,rich
God wants us to succeed in all areas in our lives; spiritualy, health,academics,finances and business.
John , the closest desciple to Jesus expressed his ernest desire for the church.

3 John 1:2
   Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.


Greek ,euodoo : means to succeed in business affair, to prosper. Jesus didnt die for us to suffer.

Most people that attack the message on prosperity meant well ,except that they lack the true understanding of prosperity.

Prosperity is not just about money but a total package. A state of total well being. God has given us all things to enjoy, but we dont live for ourselves we are blessed to bless others, a poor man cant help anybody.

1 Tim. 6:17
   Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;


There is difference between wealth and worldliness. If i make millions ,I should be willing to give out in millions. When a man acquire and refuse to give, it is worldliness and covetousness and greed.The bible is against that.
Question, why is every christian not rich.?
Answer     He must first believe it is God's will for him to prosper, then follow Gods laid out principles .He needs to grow in knowledge.
.
Galatians 4:1
   Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child,is not different from  a servant, though he be lord of all;
Christianity EtcRe: Is Your Name Written In Heaven? by Joagbaje(m): 8:26am On Feb 12, 2010
@ poster

It is not when a man receives Christ that his name get written in the book.Everybody's name is already written in the book of life either you are born again or not. But that does not guaratee that the name will remain there . God does not add name to the book of life ,he only remove names from it . When a man dies without receiving Eternal life in christ by being born again, his name will be removed from the book.God only remove names.

Exodus 32:32-33
Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. [33] And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.


Rev. 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Your Name Written In Heaven? by Joagbaje(m): 8:13am On Feb 12, 2010
alimat 2:
@Post,

Everybody will surely go to heaven cos its consists of Paradise and Hell,it is now left 4 u to decide where u want your name to be written and moreover names dnt just get written into any book be it paradise or Hell but it depends on what u are and what u do while on earth.
Every body will not go to heaven.

Rev. 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


heaven and hell are not in thesame place.Hell is not in heaven most references suggests htat hell is bellow. people go up to heaven and down to hell

Proverbs 15:24

The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Isaiah 14:15

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Either it is a figurative expression, one thing is clear, hell is not in thesame place with heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Are These Two Witnesses by Joagbaje(op): 6:43am On Feb 12, 2010
@Ndipe
Your link is only a man's commentary, based on his personal view. He cant build a doctrine on one scripture. It must agree with the whole body of truth.

Jesus was making a figurative statement here. He was talking about the depth of the authority of his word. He was talking to a people that no one among them has been to heaven to talk about heaven except him.
it was a popular term used in Israel.

John 3:12-13
    If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


It was an expression used to depict the depth of knowledge, you will have several simillar expressions throughout the bible when they talk about knowledge

Deut. 30:11-12
    For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. [12] It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?


Proverbs 30:3-4
    I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy. [4] Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended??


It is similar expression by Paul in his writing to the Romans

Romans 11:33-34
    O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of Go[/b]d! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! [34][b] For who hath known the mind of the Lord? ?


Jesus is merely saying "I know God more than any of you" or "have you been to heaven before?

John 3:12-13
    If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? [13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


In your link there was reference to this scripture ;

1 Cor. 15:22
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


The scriptures were taken out of context. Death been referred to here is spiritual death and not physical death.
We were all dead in sin through Adam. Adam died spiritually the day he ate the fruit but he didnt die physically that day.

Genesis 2:17
    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


1 Cor. 15:22
    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Adam ,moses, David,all were spiritually dead plus Enoch and Elijah,.

But Enoch and Elijah didnt physically die. We shouldnt add to scripture to make it nice.


Hebrews 11:5
    By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death
Christianity EtcWomen Are Not Second Class In The Church by Joagbaje(op): 5:26am On Feb 12, 2010
In the Old Testament, women were object of uncleanness and unrecognised, In the family and in Public places.
They were not counted in genealogy.But the coming of Christ has unified all.

Galatians 3:28
    , there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


But despite all these,women still constantly face relegation and segregation in God's house based on misunderstanding of certain scriptures such as:

1 Cor. 14:34-35
    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Paul was dealing with marital issue here . Firstly , the word "women" or "woman" GK Gune: is only used for married woman. The unmarried ladies and girls were never called women, but were called virgins or the unmarried or daughters ,maiden,damsel etc.

Acts 21:9
    And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.


It was only married women that Paul was dealing with which means ,it was a marital problem. Thats why Paul said they should ask their husbands at home.What of a lady without husband ? Women were new to such active participation,they had so many question to ask and by this they interrupt meetings to ask questions and get clarifications which was part of Corinthians unruly attitude, Paul was dealing with the nuisance of the married women in taking liberty for granted and disrespecting the husband openly.Some even try to lecture their own husbands on scriprural things.

Prior to this time , women were not allowed to participate actively in assemblies, they did nt have privilege to even sit where men sited. Because of the new faith in Christ , some began to disturb the services with questions,The early church had a peculiar problem, especially Corinthian church, because of the unruly attitude of some
Paul was dealing with respect for husband here.A woman also should not try to lecture HER OWN HUSBAND.Not that she cant teach any man, but not to teach her own husband.

1 Tim. 2:12
    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man , but to be in silence.


Remember He said "over the man"(Husband) and not "over men".(definite article) Paul was never against women preaching ,teaching etc. They were allowed to prophesy, what is prophecy? it means to speak or preach or teach the word of God. You dont prophesy under the table but openly that others may learn.

1 Cor. 14:31
    For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn,
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1 Cor. 11:5
    But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.


Here shows an indication that women can preach; To prophesy means to speak the word of God openly in teaching,preaching,or exhortation.


The bible is not against women preaching the word of God. either in church or anywhere else. when the Bible address the issue of women and authority It always has to do with married women. Young girls were not called "women" but the married.

Paul had a couple he converted, and the couple ministered to other people together.(husband and wife ministry?)
They converted Apollos together.

Acts 18:26
    And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.   

Priscilla was not teaching women, she was teaching everybody with her husband. Paul commended them several times.

Romans 16:3
    Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:


Later this couple began to pastor a church together as husband and wife

1 Cor. 16:19
    The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


Paul was dealing with peculiar problem of respect and reverence only to their husband "The Man" The same issue applied to covering of head; it was for only married women and it was a cultural way of respect for husband those days


Covering of head


It was customary for a married woman that appears in public to cover her head, This is not face cap or handkerchief  but the covering of the entire head like some alhaji's wives. Some of these Corinthian women refused to cover the head , which was a sign of marriage, It was like the wedding ring of our time. Indian women have a red dot on their head as sign of marriage and respect for the authority of "the man" .This is not referring to single ladies. It was like a wife go out without her wedding ring. She dishonours her husband who is her head

1 Cor. 11:3
    But I would have you know, , that  the head of[b] the woman[/b](wife) is "the man"(husband);


1 Cor. 11:5
    But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head( the man).


Our adopted western culture makes no room for head covering, but wedding ring. this is not a spiritual issue here but marital. If you want to cover ,it is OK. but you must cover the entire head and not just the hair!.It should be an issue of agreement between husbands and wives but certainly not applicable to singles.
Christianity EtcRe: Must I Always Get Angre With God Before He Answers Me? by Joagbaje(m): 7:02pm On Feb 11, 2010
Some questions are hard to answer because, there are different answer to different categories of people. If you are a christian, hear this; God is not moved by you anger and threats, you are just functioning in umbelief. You treat God as one wicked being that is against your happiniess, you dont really know God by the word. You need to start feeding yourself on the word.

Matthew 7:11
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?


If you got what you wanted after threathening God, hahaha! It was just a coincidence, God if only moved by faith

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


Faith is trust in Gods word,When you ask ,dont try to see if it will happen ,believe you have it,

Mark 11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.


There is Big faith, small faith, weak faith, and strong faith, you must first grow your faith by hearinig message of faith over and over and by studying the bible.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: Women Are Not To Stand On The Pulpit To Preach. by Joagbaje(m): 6:42pm On Feb 11, 2010
The bible is not against women preaching the word of God. either in church or anywhere else. when the Bible address the issue of women and authority It always has to do with married women. Young girls were not called "women" but the married.

The issue is that women were not usually part of public activities religious wise. But in christ there is no male nor female.

Galatians 3:28
    , there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.


Because women are new to such active participation,they had so many question to ask and by this they interrupt meetings to ask questions an get clarifications which was part of corinthians unrully attitude.Remember,women are different from young girls,who are rather called virgins ,unmarried or young women e.t.c . Paul was dealing with the nuisance of the married women.

1 Cor. 14:34-35
    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Paul was dealing with respect for husband here.A woman also should not try to lecture HER OWN HUSBAND.Not that she cant teach any man, but not to teach her own husband.

1 Tim. 2:12
    But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man , but to be in silence.


He said "over the man" and not "over men". Paul was never against women preaching ,teaching etc

1 Cor. 11:5
    But[b] every woman that prayeth [/b] or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.


Here shows an indication that women can preach; To prophesy means to speak the word of God openly in teaching,preaching,or exortation.

Acts 21:9
    And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.


Paul had a couple he converted, and the couple ministered to other people together.(husband and wife ministry?)
They converted Apollos together.

Acts 18:26
    And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
 

Priscilla was not teaching women, she was teaching everybody with her husband. Paul commended them several times.
Romans 16:3
    Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:


Later this couple began to pastor a church together as husband and wife

1 Cor. 16:19
    The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


Paul was dealing with peculiar problem of respect and reverence only to their husband "The Man" The same issue applied to covering of head; it was for only married women and it was a cultural way of respect for husband those days
Christianity EtcRe: Who Are These Two Witnesses by Joagbaje(op): 2:08pm On Feb 11, 2010
@Ndipe

Ndipe:
I have always wondered about the reference in the Holy Bible when Jesus Christ has stated in John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".

This link reconciles these two and attempts to explain that Elijah and Enoch really did die. "We know that Enoch, a mere man, did eventually die. Hebrews 11:13, in referring to Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Sarah, says that Heb 11:13 "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth."
If Elijah had died as you claim, it will negate bible account that they didnt die and also it promote the idea of reincarnation which is unbiblical. A man cant die twice.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Christianity EtcRe: What? by Joagbaje(m): 7:11am On Feb 11, 2010
What you need to do is to give your life to christ first . The curse on the family will be broken
Christianity EtcRe: I Saw A Snake In My Dream. What Does It Mean? by Joagbaje(m): 2:58pm On Feb 10, 2010
I Like all these resonses. Its to teach you a lesson, stop asking people of interpretation. Theres no gift of interpretation of dream, It is not every dream that has a meaning. God is a master communicator.If he is God enough to give you a dream, he is God enough to tell you the interpretation if it has any.
Many dreams are just ordinary.

Eccles. 5:3
For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.
Christianity EtcRe: Are There Really Destinies? by Joagbaje(m): 11:25am On Feb 10, 2010
Jesus death was foretold , He died a death of faith. he didnt feel humiliated. He had a choice to disobey.

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Judas's action was foretold too, and he also had a choice, but the greed of his heart would not allow him, Satan used his greed against him. He had a choice to repent after he realised his error but satan destroyed him in pride
Christianity EtcRe: Are There Really Destinies? by Joagbaje(m): 10:10am On Feb 10, 2010
deluxecad:
My brothers and sisters, if there's destiny as your analogies have put it, then there shouldn't be any basis for judgement on the so called last day since there's already a blueprint for our lives, no matter how hard we try, it'd still play out the way it had been planned. Too bad.
Destiny cant play out by itself, Faith and obedience are required. many people die without discovering destiny,
God told Moses to get the people of israel out of Egypt and take them to promised land. Moses succeded to get them out of Egypt but failed to take them into the promised land. Man has a part to play. Jesus would have failed if he followed his feelings rather than the word.


Hebrews 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.


But it wasnt automatic for him

Matthew 26:39
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.


He had to motivate himself

Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Christianity EtcRe: When Does God Write Names In The Book Of Life? by Joagbaje(op): 8:48am On Feb 10, 2010
Yes, though I have to read it 2 more times to fully comprehend.But whatever the record system been used in heaven, at what point does God write the name . Is it when a man prays to be saved,or after he dies? From my study, I can't find where God added names in the book of life but. So the prayer " add my name" is it scriptural.
Christianity EtcRe: When Does God Write Names In The Book Of Life? by Joagbaje(op): 8:20am On Feb 10, 2010
KunleOshob:
The book of life is figurative and not physical, pastor mi good morning cheesy
Pls explain more, are you saying there is no book?

KunleOshob:
pastor mi good morning
The name is joagbaje oo, and not pastor
Christianity EtcRe: When Does God Write Names In The Book Of Life? by Joagbaje(op): 8:19am On Feb 10, 2010
KunleOshob:
The book of life is figurative and not physical, pastor mi good morning cheesy
Pls explain more, are you saying there is no book?

KunleOshob:
pastor mi good morning
The name is joagbaje oo, and not pastor
Christianity EtcRe: In The Name Of Jesus: Why Is It So Powerful? by Joagbaje(m): 8:10am On Feb 10, 2010
It is not just the calling of the name JESUS, just mere calling may not work.

Acts 19:13-16
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. , [15] And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? [16] And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.


I believe the power is in the faith and revelation of the individual of who Jesus is and the power invested in that name
Christianity EtcWhen Does God Write Names In The Book Of Life? by Joagbaje(op): 7:49am On Feb 10, 2010
I have often heard people been led to Christ been made to pray. ", Lord God ,wwipe my name from the book of death and write my name in the book of life",

QUESTION : Does God write names in the book of life? If so when does he write it?

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