₦airaland Forum

wiegraf: The claim is he tested positive. Is the claim true? I doubt it. And I very highly doubt that one tested positive for HIV who dies a few months after ending medication due to being 'healed'

I guess you meant to say "negative" instead of "positive" or you didn't get me right.

My question was ; if he went for a test after the "healing" did he still test POSITIVE or NEGATIVE ? If he tested NEGATIVE to HIV after the "Healing " then he was healed . If he died ,he must have died of some other causes . Except if he lost his healing. Yes I remember you wanted clarification on that. It's possible to lose ones healing, if the person continue in sin, especially the kind of sin that brought about the sickness. Someone can lose his healing by not building his faith on the word of God. Someone can lose his healing through fear or unbelief .

wiegraf: I drove him myself to take the test

Htf should I know? Of course he claims he did.

I cannot believe where you're going with this...

My point is, did he test negative after the prayer? . If he tested negative after the prayer , then it's not the HIV that killed him. But if he didn't go for medical test to confirm his healing then he probably didnt get healed . That explained why he could drop dead. The only other reason is if he lost his healing

Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established: And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches Proverbs 24:3-4.

Our theme verse highlights wisdom, understanding, and knowledge as three vital ingredients needed for building a successful life. It says with wisdom, a "house" is built; that house could be likened to your life, business, career, orfamily. It goes further to say that the "house," once built, is established by understanding; and then by knowledge, you bring riches into it.

Often, you find people whose lives are, as it were, out of joint; they’re frustrated and unhappy, for the simple reason that they lack wisdom. Some others have things going on well with them, perhaps, in their job or career, but they’re unfulfilled because their families are disorientated. Why? Because they lack understanding; it’s with understanding that a family is established and made strong. They had enough wisdom to start the family, but lacked the understanding to establish it.

Some others have enough wisdom and understanding to organize their families or businesses aright, but lack the requisite knowledge of how to make consistent progress from glory to glory. Wisdom, understanding, and knowledge must go together; they’re needed for a life of all-round success, prosperity, and fulfilment.

Proverbs 4:7
wisdom is the principal thing;


it’s your capital: "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." Notice it didn’t stop at enjoining us to embrace wisdom; it goes further to say, "…with all thy getting get understanding," letting you know that understanding is just as important.

Then in Proverbs 15:5, we’re cautioned not to despise knowledge; it says, the one who ignores knowledge is a fool. Wisdom, knowledge, and understanding come to you through the Word:

"For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding"
Proverbs 2:6

You need all three to be effective, and to live the extraordinary life of success, dominion, victory, and excellence that God has ordained for you.

escavros: Dear Pastor Kun,

I did read through it sir, and i was able to understand that Paul was trying to explain the priesthood of Jesus Christ comparing him to Mechisedec the king of salem.
I do not speak as a pastor, for i am not one neither am I a church cleric of any sort, i do not take tithes of another, but i do pay my tithes of all i earn as much as God helps me to.

I'm Christian like any other, who's desire is to be used by God in this matter and any other He pleases.

Please sir note these (with no intent to argue, but to share the Word of God)


- Melchisedec who lives forever received tithes of Abraham though he was not a Levite. (chapter 6)
- Chapter 8 tells of the imperfect state of the Levites in that they unlike Melchisedec, Levites do die.
- Chapter 11 further says "if the levitical priesthood was perfect, there would be no need for Jesus to come after the order of Melchisedec who lives forever" (rephrased)
- Chapter 23 buttresses the intention of God to change this as the priest couldn't offer an everlasting service because they die, therefore God sent us his Son Jesus who continueth forever, having an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save us to the uttermost that come to God by him seeing Jesus lives forever to intercede for us. (chapter 24 & 25)

Jesus Christ didn't come to destroy the law as it is written in Matthew 5: 17, but to fulfil it.
He has now made us a more perfect commandment thereby setting aside the weak and useless hope, by introducing a better hope by which we may draw near to God. (Hebrew 7: 18 & 19)

Now we may obtain a perfect promise of all things promised to us of God as written in the scriptures through Jesus Christ even the forgiveness of sins through the blood of Jesus and an everlasting life.

In the area of Tithes we may now obtain a more perfect blessing as written in Malachi 3:10 to the Glory of God through his everlasting priest Jesus Christ who lives forever after the order of Melchisedec the king of Salem.

Halleluyah!!

You are very correct brother. Heb 7 has nothing to do with tithe ending . NDU there's no ingle scripture in the bible that suggest or give any slight impression of ending of tithe . Offerings and tithing are everlasting principles.

wiegraf: Indeed, I do know of someone personally who was 'cured', he even had a party. Then he died a few months later.

Did he go ,for medical test or he just claimed to be healed?

Evil Brain: @Joagbaje

Right, and we're all supposed to take your word for it abi? Big, bold claims and not a shred of evidence. Typical of a Christian büllshît artist. So pardon me for not believing you.

Will medical records from 3 government hospitals lie?

Keep telling lies and being a nuisance to the human race.

You don't have to result to insult. Be a little cultured .

Hope he listens.

Kumuyi knows the truth,but some old members won't just change

[

@Kuns, he is your friend,no wonder he just behaved like you

Why would your friend bring police to his church. Couldn't he report to church authority ? . I don't support the beating. I don't conclude with a. One sided story.

Evil Brain: The two or so people that have ever been cured of HIV have all made international news and none of their cases ever involved pastors, prayers or any such thing. You Christians are just making up lies and fake miracles to deceive yourselves and others.

Your fraudulent teachings are getting innocent people killed. If you guys had any decency at all, you would stick to your prosperity scam and stop talking about serious public health issues like HIV.

If you are a sincere seeker of truth , im glad to inform you that I have cases of hiv that was cured when I prayed for them. Another one cure himself by the word of God.when he got diagnosed ,he refused to accept it. And got tapes on healing to listen to. Then he prayed , I think he fell down or so. He got healed , he went for test and he was negative .

I'll give you $1billion if you can show me a single credible, verified case of someone being cured of HIV by prayers.

Keep the money ,besides you don't have it.

synergy85: I have watched with disgust the alarming rate at which so called believers who are staunch members of a given church visit 'prophets' for special prayers to their 'problems' is it that they believe prayers are answered faster/better in other places, do you do it? If yes why?I believe when you call on God in ur church or u go to ur own pastor in your church.god will hear...

God gave prophets to the body of christ as gift. A prophet is a seer. He sees beyond the ordinary into the realm of the spirit. Many prophets have gifts of healing also . ( not all ) so apart from diagnosing the cases ,they can solve the issues too.

As much as the office of the prophet is real ,one should not become a slave to a prophet. they should learn to live by faith in the word and acting on the word, but if a matter goes beyond what their faith can handle he can see the pastor .

It's possible to tell them to stop if their healing is confirmed . There are people that have been prayed for and symptoms stopped and when they went for HIV test they tested negative , it will be wrong and unbelieving to continue such drugs . It can kill their faith

There's never an ending to tithing. It's n eternal principle , just like offering, prayer,worship,etc

Nehemiah459: Imagine a church where the preacher is stressing on tithe, offering, and giving.
Is this what the Bible/Jesus/Paul said?

Which church is that? Is that the only thing they preach? Do you have any problem with giving?

Goshen360: I decided to start this teaching out of no time because there're many on this forum that teaches that the New Covenant is a continuation of the Old Covenant. There's no where the scripture teaches the New is a continuation of Old but on the contrary, the New is different from the Old. What we have today are Christians trying to study the Old covenant, of which they don't belong to while they have a new and better covenant in\through Christ.

The new covenant is a product of Abrahamic covenant. There is different between abrahamic covenant and old covenant through Moses . That one vaporized away. But abrahamic covenant is foundation for the new . We are children of Abraham . He is the father of faith.

Bidam: And still without them we can't be perfected.That's why the bible called them witnesses,how do you explain that?

It's the other way round o. Without us they can't be perfect .

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Okay I won't call them overseers again, I will be calling them overseer"s overseer

But jokes apart these petty things you raised are insignificant . Let me explain this . Jesus made the disciples to become apostles right?

Luke 6:13
. . . he called unto him his disciples:and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

But he did give anyone a special title as chief apostle . But look at this verse below

2 Corinthians 12:11
for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

How did some become chief and chicest Appstle? You see what I mean. It's just an administrative thing. Before we criticize people , lets fine out what they know and what perspective they see and by what revelation and understanding they function lets we the critic become the sinner even though we had good intention .

lahchi: Why don't you reply and to my post on this? Guess you know the truth

May be you reparkage it cause I don't see a question to be answered. What's your point?

but the love of money is what is eating you up.

Matthew 12:35
. . .:and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth. Truth doesn't require abuse

. . . For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no
sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God
in him - 2 Corinthians 5:2.

Being born again, you have the nature and life of God; righteousness has become the character of your spirit. The ability to be right, and to do right—the ability to perform righteousness—is inherent in your spirit. You’re now required to live that life of righteousness from inside out; you’re to live out that character; the nature of rightness that God
has given you! He wants it formed in you, and evident on the outside.

It’s like when a child is born; that child is characteristically human; but he starts building and developing his innate human characteristics through knowledge and information. In the same way, as a child of God, though you’re the righteousness of God, you need to grow and mature the knowledge of God. You need to become skilful in the doctrine of righteousness.

Hebrews 5:13
"For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."

A child who is not taught to walk, may never walk; not because he doesn’t have the ability to walk, but because
he was never taught.Likewise, for you to become thoroughly established in the doctrine of righteousness, you must be taught the
Word. You must be a committed member in a local Church. In Church, apart from fellowship and all the other beautiful things that take place, you’re taught how to live the life of righteousness, which you’ve received in Christ Jesus.

You’re instructed, through the Scriptures, how to live out the righteousness of God that’s in your spirit. As you live out that righteousness, many will witness the perfection and inner-beauty of divinity in you; God’s nature of rightness, excellence, and perfection will be

Ho is a general overseer? A man that has churches under him. So Paul was a general over seer, John was a general overseer, James was a general overseer.because they had churches under them and they had pastors and overseers in charge of those churches. Satisfied?

Pastor Kun: Pathological, chronic and unrepentant liar, why are you bent on selling your soul to the devil for a loaf of bread

It's like you're sweating . . Don't be frustrated, the truth doesn't require fight and vulgar words . Take it easy .present your case ,lets judge it but the word ehn! God loves you any how

2 Timothy 2:24
. . And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

. . .But Bàbá Yi nfi style bú mi gaani o.

What of Corinth? Why only Antioch?. What of the office of the pastor,prophet apostle ,evangelist etc? . These are reonsiblitiss and offices ,not titles

lahchi: Speak from the bible, where was it written?

Christians don't have laws. The principles have always been there. It was never abolish. As long as we can still give offerings to God , we ought to give tithes too. These two principles are eternal. The closest I can give you is 1cor 9:which I quoted

lahchi: The Tithe was given to the Isrealites as a Law to give to the Levites, Are Christians Isrealites?

Tithing existed before isreal exited, it existed before the law existed. Tithing was of faith. Abraham is our father of faith. If you are follower of Abraham's faith ,then you ought to tithe.

lahchi: Why didn't the Early Christians Give Tithe?

They did.it was life for them

Goshen360: The question is, does the church of Christ, the Apostles or disciples of Christ REPLACE scribes and pharisees IN THE CONTEXT of that verse?

It doesn't make sense. Was tithing only meant for Pharisees? Or worshippers of God?

He heals amputees. Are you one?

lahchi: He never encouraged it in that statement, he rebuked the inscincerity of those who claimed to follow the Law of Moses in accordance. Don't be deceived.

Read it again. He said they ought to tithe and not leave or neglect justice and other values


Luke 11:42
. . . .You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave these other things undone. NLT

lahchi: Who were the people called the Pharises? Remember Jesus lived under the Law but when he said "It is Finished" the Law was broken and put to an end Hence we do not abide by it, Luke 11:42 (NKJV) "42 “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. " The version you must have used indicated income of which that was even to suite your false doctrine, Jesus didn't endorse tithe there, don't deceive anybody, He only made it known that the pharises who claimed to give their tithe did exactly what the Isrealites did of which they were warned in Malachi 3:8, the way and manner in which was indicated in the NT towards the Early Christians was in 2 Corinthians 9:6 and when was clearly in 1 Corinthians 16:1-2. You teach a doctrine which is False and you have your reward if you continue this act, remember you don't know when the world would come to an end, change is the actual thing you need else you won't find yourself happy on the Last Day.

He rebuked the neglect of other issues by the Pharisees , but he complemented the tithes. He rebuked them also for showing off in prayer and almsgiving ,does it mean Jesus condemned open prayers or giving. It was their wrong motive Jesus rebuked. So it doesn't matter if Jesus mentioned Pharisee or lawyer . The same principles applies to all.

Goshen360: Who were the people tithing in the above verse? Christ's disciples or the Apostles?

If you emphasizing "you should tithe" of that context, you must also leave it to those it was spoken to - scribes and pharisees.

It's an insult to Christ and the blood to replace the church or disciples or apostles in that context.

They were isrealite, and he encouraged the tithing , he only rebuked the extremes of the Pharisees ,by their neglect of other values

Zikkyy: You don start which work of the ministry was supported through tithe in the OT? was it the work of Jeremiah, Elijah or Elisha? which prophet received tithe in the OT.

By default , the ministers in the tabernacle. But there are some indication some individual prophets recieved similar things . For example FIRSTFRUITS belong to the terbenacke but it was brought to the prophet here .

2 Kings 4:42
And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat


But it's not an issue for now. But because you asked

Have told you to stop deceiving people with your tithing belief, you no dey hear The tithe was meant for the Levites only for their living. No other men of God received tithe in the OT an indication it was restricted to the Levi community.

Don't insult me if you don't have something to say

Paul did not say similar things! otherwise burnt offerings becomes applicable as well (based on the fact that it was items for burnt offerings that came to the altar).

Burnt offering was a sin offering , it was a shadow of Jesus , when Jesus had come he had fulfilled the shadow. The tithe was not a shadow of anything . It's and endless ministry . As long as there's a high priest here must be tithing . Before and after the law . The priestly ministry of Jesus is endless

The Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live off the gospel, the Lord did not say they should live off the things of the temple or stuffs deposited on the altar. Corinthians 9 is only telling us that those preaching the gospel have right to live off the gospel, it does not provide the details. For tithe to qualify you need to find scripture where the Lord commanded Christians to support the gospel with tithe.

The earthly priesthood has been sacked . The church is now the ground and pillar of truth. That's God organized structure on the earth in replacement of the old.

offerings today is not because it was done in the OT, and it's not because it was done before the law. We give because Christ and the apostles taught that we should love. and there is no format or percentage for the giving.

if you give/pay tithe today, who defines/determine the tithe? Man or God? 'tithers' and pastors defined the modern day tithe and you are telling us it belongs to God! How?

From genesis to the New Testament . It's called tithe ,which means 10% it's pan for thousands of years , it's still called 10% . When we get to heaven we should ask God why not 50% of 5.

You should note that for a giver , 10% is the least of our givings . It's too small to be a debate . Is the problem the amount or the name?

Zikkyy: Finally. Bidam agrees that there was a change of law

The law in the New Testament in embedded in our nature of love. It's a nature to us. We only do contrary by our rebellion