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lahchi: With this its so obvious you just take to what you are been told in the church by your so called "Man of God" but I tell you the truth unless you study the scriptures, you would still remain blind by what you are been told.
In Matthew 6:1-15 Jesus continued the teaching of the multitude and His disciples (Matt 5) about giving and how to pray making us understand the need to pray, how we should pray and the pattern in which they should pray. "Charitable Deeds

Really? if that's the case I will show you where Jesus endorsed tithing too.

Luke 11:42
"But woe to you Pharisees! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave these other things undone. NLT


He had every opportunity to condemn it as he condemned the observation of sabbath but rather he endorsed it.

lahchi: Where was is written that it was a project they were contributing for? Don't say things you are not sure of not to put urself into trouble.

They had a project which was to send relief to saints in Jerusalem who had economic disaster.

Acts 11:28-30
one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world (this took place in the days of Claudius). So the disciples determined, every one according to his ability, to send relief to the brothers living in Judea. And they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul.

This was the relief project paul was mobilizing money for in second Corinthians ,

lahchi: Why did you neglect 2 Corinthians 9:6-8 "But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work." Dis doesn't have any form of tithing attached to it, why?

I didn't neglect it. It's not relevant to tithing. That's a different kind of giving. They were contributing for a project. There are different kinds of giving in the bible . Offerings,tithes,alms, projects ,parents,etc we must do them all

Pastor Kun: So you know that Abraham did whatever he wanted with his booty

That was only in the issue of giving back to the king of sodom the booty. Not in the issue of tithe. Tithe is a principle ,and he didnt fail to give God that .

and he wasn't acting based on God's instruction neither was it a religious obligation

That's your own addition

So why don't you leave believers to do whatever they like with their income?

Where have you seen me do otherwise? Believers are free to do what they wish with heat they have , but they will be judged by their deed because they are only stewards . God has a say in what we have . What is ours is his and what is his is ours. The more you mature in God the more you see that your life ,money,time ability is not your own.

Why must you lie to them that God demands 10% of their income

If I tell people the importance of prayer ,is it a lie. Did God demand prayer in the New Testament? It's our yieldedness knowing its a kingdom principle . God didn't command Christians to fast ,or pray , or give. It's a common sense .same applies to tithes and offerings.

lahchi: Did you read my post before commenting on it? Did you read the quote of the person I posted the post to? I was just make him see that tithe was not made for christians and even the early christian never took the pattern because they were were not made up of only jews but also the gentiles, so what were you driving at calling me a fraud when am also against the tithe been paid? You have to check and understand the words of the post you want to comment on before commenting on it, okay?

,Best to ignore him. That's what I do

ogorluv: Correction, Abraham did not tithe his profit, but he gave of the spoils of war and kept nothing for himself. Read your bible so as to understand your faith better.

The booty was his profit. He did whatever he wanted with it by retuning the booty to the king after he gave his tithe. If you like you can give your tithe and dash the rest away , it's personal choice .

macof: what am saying is that it's not an obligation. God doesn't force or compel people to do things, he gave us free will. And as such when u feel u have enough to offer to the temple of God and spread of the gospel you give as ur heart desires not by force. It was in OT that tithe was by force. Offerings and free service to the church and continuous evangelism is wat tithe represent in true christianity

I never said other wise. God doesn't force us into anything. Tithes or offerings ,even prayers . Everything is according to the revelation and faith of individuals

This is an unnecessary post. It's just a use of English language it's not a title. It's a functional responsibility . Overseer is a binlical responsibility and having General overseer shouldn't be an issue. It's a description of a responsibility. Lets not get petty with irrelevant things .

lahchi: Show me just a simple scripture that entails a detail of the Early Christians paying tithe.

Firstly ,tithing was never abolished in the bible , secondly the primary ways the work of ministry was sponsored in he Old Testament was through tithes and offerings . Paul made it clear that similar things should apply in the church .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Tithing and offerings are Paralell principles which both existed before he law. God reprimanded isreal for not giving him tithes and offerings. God never put an end to the two. You can't say you will give only offerings and not give tithes. If you give offerings without seeing it as obligation under the law ,you should give itches also . And if a man says he won't give an offering to God ,he is really sick.

Adoption is maturity for responsibility . Jesus became adopted when he recieved the holyghost.

But he was declared son of God with power though the resurrection from the dead

Romans 1:4
And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

truthislight: this is what offering for christians is :

"By him therefore let us offer(offering) the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name." (Hebrews 13:15).

You're wrong , worshiping God is not complete without giving to God . There are different kinds of offerings , our body, our works , our lips etc but they don't take the place of our substance we give in sacrifice .

Philippians 4:18
. . . having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God.

Tithing is not for christians just as our lips do the offering instead of using animal.

Tithing is forever . Offerings is forever , prayer is forever,worship is forever because they are kingdom principles. And principles in God are eternal

Pastor Kun: So you are now a dog abi? Not surprised though. The fight against illegal tithes being preached and collected in the church is a strife that belongs to me and all true christians and i would always meddle with it as the occassion arises.

Okay You have won.

benalvino: there is nothing like that.read it in full and get your understanding...

in romans it says groaning that cannot me uttered... it means you cannot make a sound out of it...
if the bible just says groan it will be okay... but since it says the groaning cannot be uttered... it means you cant have sounds like shaniahakanakanaknaknkaaka out of it... simple.

I never said groaning is tongues. Stop going round in this endless circle . Groaning is only similar . its sounds but not in words . It's a sound like a woman in labour, it's a deep sigh. That makes it even more interesting . If someone can pray in the spirit through a groan which sound senseless . How much more when you pray in utterances . There's is a difference between groaning in the spirit and speaking in tongues but the two are different ways of praying in the spirit.

.. Isaiah you quote have no links cause the stammering lips was talking to people, . .

It sure does because paul still made reference to it. It's talking about speaking with Tongues .

1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.


The point is , It is not how the tongue sounds that matters . It's the power source where' it's coming from that counts. Either it's stammering or articulate. If senseless groaning can be a prayer , articulate words can do much more

Pastor Kun: I don't think he was insulting you by calling you hypocrite, he was only stating the obvious so deal with it.

And you have become his mouthpiece?

Proverbs 26:17
He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him,is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

benalvino: Isaiah 28:11
Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue, 12He who said to them, "Here is rest, give rest to the weary," And, "Here is repose," but they would not listen.

the Isaiah you quote he is speaking to the people with the stammering lips you said is heavenly language... are the people heavenly people?

Heavenly language is a spiritual communication. The bible calls it tongues of angels. It's the Holy Spirit that gives the utterance as we yield to him. I used the term heavenly to differentiate it from human earthly language . Lets not be going round in irrelevant things.

Isaiah 28 is talking about the two . Speaking in tongues of men and angels . Speaking in human language and spiritual language. Speaking in tongues of men and angels . It all refer to same things.

What is your understanding of Rom 8:26

benalvino: first speaking in tongues is heavenly tongue... that heavenly tongue becomes stammering lips then the stammering lips becomes groaning...

the bible teach speaking in tongues can be uttered... but groaning cannot be uttered... learn the bible... read the verses you present in full context and learn the message in them ..

Groaning is another form of deep praying in the spirit. I only use it as illustration. Jesus groaned at the grave of Lazarus. It's a deep spiritual communication. . The point Is if groaning can be a communication how much more utterances .

Amen brother

truthislight: Abraham did animal sacrifice and that sacrifice was befor the law hence "eternal Principle".
So, we are suppose to do animal sacrifice today.

God already condemned the use of animal blood. but giving God offering continuesa as an eternal principle . Hope you're ok now

!Big rounded HYPOCRITE !

You dont have to insult , Hope you feel better by it?

benalvino: Responding to point 1
18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.
in other for them to preach everywhere they will need to speak Hausa Yoruba japanese... so the new tongues means new languages and not shakananaana... that is not new tongue to you because i assume you already know how to speak shanakanakana...

That's your personal interpretation,not the bible. . Let me explain something to you here. There' are different kinds of speaking with tongues , there's human language and heavenly language or angelic language. .theres a gift of diversity of tongues. This is not for every one ,its a special gift fior some which gives them ability to speak in earthly language they never learned . Either in preaching to them or whatever reason for a witness just like Pentecost day. This is different from tongues of angels. Paul talked about tongues of angel and tongues of men.

1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


Praying In heavenly language is not in human language. That is why you may have the "baobabs, rapapa" . . . Etc. it may involve some level if repetition .Or stammering Because its nit human .

Isaiah talked about this .

Isaiah 28:11
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. . . .

The stammering lips is heavenly communication and another tongue is earthly. When praying in heavenly language or angelic ,it may sound like repetition to a carnal mind but its not a repetition in heaven. It is the yearning on the inside that matter ,not necessarily what is voiced out. . Imaging someone groaning and yet it's a heavenly communication., I asked you to comment on Romans 8:26 before but I didn't see a response from you. But let me explain it here.

Romans 8:26-27
-- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.


I'm sure you know what it means to groan. You may be groaning 20 times and its sounds alike but in the spirit realm each one groan carry different meaning. . So we pray in the spirit ans with our understanding also.. Paul prays in the spirit and sing in tongues . It doesn't make human sense .

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

There is tongue of men which is human language and there's tongues if angels which is not human language .

1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

The tongues of men is a manifestation of diversity of tongues. Which is a supernatural ability to speak an earthly language you haven't learned. But when you pray In tongues of angels it's a spiritual communication to God. In the realm of the spirit. It doesn't have to be mans language. . It doesn't matter how it sounds , it can even come as a groan ! Deep sigh.

Romans 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

benalvino: Some people talks about the baptism of the holy spirit and most times they point it to speaking in tongues, when i say tongue i mean the madness of shanakajakajana you know the funny gibberish...

It's gibberish to carnal men or natural men. But to God and to spiritual men its the wisdom of God ,

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You people should stop all these insult to the church. This picture is nothing but drama

You know the bible says thatSpiritual things are foolishness to a natural man. Because he can't comprehend them. But if you seek truth with open heart enlightenment will come..

Can you study this verse and comment on it?

Romans 8:26
-- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

lahchi: Many people make the mistake of having a false belief of Isrealites, who are also known as Jews, to be the same as Christians today but the bible has made it clear and stated it that the Church were the saints gather began in Acts 2, but the Isrealites happened to be one of the generations of Jacob. Heb 7 made it clear that tithe was given as a LAW to the Isrealites to be paid to the Levites.
Ignorance would still make some people bring up opinions about Malachi 3:8 but have you taken time to know who this book was written to and why it was written? If you check Malachi 1:1, it was clearly written that the book was written as a "Warning From God To The Isrealites Through Prophet Malachi".
If you still harbour any doubt concerning the Topic above, ask yourself this question: Why Wasn't It Recorded That The Early Christians Paid Tithe?

Tithing is an eternal principle ,just as prayers, almsgiving,offerings, worship, fasting etc. all these kingdom principles have nothing to do with Israel . They are part of Gods kingdom. It preceded the emergence of the nation of isreal. Abraham was not an isrealite .he was the father of faith , He was a tither a. If we are children of Abraham then we ought to follow the faith of Abraham.. God never stoped tithing ,it's an eternal principle .

. . , But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty 2Corinthians 3:15-17

When men don’t understand the Word of God, it’s because there’s a veil covering their hearts. It’s like what happened with the Law of Moses, in the Old Testament:
the children of Israel couldn’t see the glory beyond the veil. Our opening verse tells us that even until this day, when "Moses," that is, "the Law," is read, that veil is still
present; it’s only taken away in Christ. In other words, when you received salvation in accordance with Romans 10:9, the Lordship of Jesus destroyed the power of darkness over your life and took away the veil from your heart.

At the New Birth, you were catapulted into the Kingdom of Light; the Kingdom of God’s dear Son.

Colossians 1:12-13
, "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son."

The Holy Spirit accomplished this in your life when He baptized you into Christ

. . , "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body…" 1 Corinthians 12:13

that body is Christ. Christ is "Light"; so upon the New Birth, the Holy Spirit baptized you into the "Light," and you became awakened to the Fatherhood of God. Thus was the veil removed from your heart to walk in the light of God, and understand spiritual realities.

Frank4YAHWEH: That is just plain foolish! There is no such thing as an "UNKNOWN language." Such a word phrase is an oxymoron. A language would only be unknown to the one who does not understand or speak said language. Shaul clearly instructed that one who speaks in tongues that such a one must be followed by one to interpret said language. Nowhere in Scripture does it ever teach "There are different kinds of praying in the spirit . Known tongues and the unknown tongues.

Does God need interpretation? Ask yourself. It's men that needs interpretation, that means speaking to God is different from speaking to men. There difference between praying to God in the spirit NDU talking to men in the spirit. If I have more time I will give you more illustrations scripturally.

JudismphD: This is basically my views and i remained adamant about it. Since the emergence of president Obama, many across the globe including religious leaders have single him out as a symbol of anti-christ and a vehicle to promulgate the satanic symbol of 666 as many as also link him to the church of satan. Few months, after his re-election, he (obama) began to agitate for the legalisation of same-sex marriage, influencing other world leaders to support gay rights and threathing to withdrew the aids and support of US to countries against it, a debacle and miasma God strongly condemn right from creation. The satanic proclivities pushing Obama as a US president has further arose his conscioness to war against syria over purported use of chemical weapon by Assad regim even when the UN investigation is inconclusive. This definately is a canal to the last vestiges of America as the whole world will see how the mighty nation crumble and crack from all ramification. All i know is that God can never be mocked

America makes many mistakes but Obama is not the antichrist. The antichrist will emerge when the church has been raptured. The antichrist will be from Europe and Middle East .not from America . He will be an econimic ,religious,and political leader, Obama has not done good job in his areas .

alexleo: Speaking in tongues is real but not the katatatataatata mayyayayayaayaya sarararararara that you people speak in churches today. Here is the speaking in tongues that the apostles experienced when they received the Holy Ghost in acts 2:7-10 -.

There are different kinds of praying in the spirit . Known tongues and the unknown tongues. It may sound gibberish to the uninformed but in the realm of the spirit it's the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

It's a dangerous thing for couple to have contrary belief. It's important to marry someone of same conviction and faith.

^^^^
Thanks for That revelation. That's absolutely true, it's a submission to the word.

To God be the glory , it seems many of our churches are focusing on the educational sector this year.

2 Peter 1:3
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and
virtue

The word "knowledge" in the verse above is the Greek "epignosis," and it means exact or precise knowledge; full knowledge with intimacy. It means full comprehension, recognition, or perception; to become fully acquainted with God. This is the knowledge He seeks for us to have of Him. Our opening verse says, we’ve been called to glory and virtue; that means a life of glory, honour, dignity and excellence; but notice how this life works: it’s through the knowledge—"epignosis" of Him.

The Holy Spirit, through the Apostle Paul, shows us how to get this knowledge of God in His prayer for the Church:

. . . " That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdomand revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of
your understanding being enlightened…" Ephesians1:17-18

. What does this mean? He’s saying that as you get to know God through this kind of special relationship or acquaintance, He’ll grant you insight into reality. Yes, God has appointed you to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence, but as you learn about Him, as you meditate on the Word, secrets about this life, and how to walk in the reality of it are unveiled to you.

It reminds of yet another powerful truth in 2 Peter 1:2:

. . . "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord." Again, the word translated knowledge here is "epignosis." So, in addition to a life of honour, dignity, and excellence,

grace and peace can be multiplied in your life as you meditate on the Word of God.