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mortee: I just saw some young girls and guys distributing flyers for a programme tagged "Holy Ghost Earthquake" to be held in Pastor Fireman's Surulere church, with special ministrations by Pastor Samson Ayorinde.

This reminds me of the Chris Oyakhilome and T. B. Joshua story some years back and the controversy it generated among the Christians.

What's your take on this alliance? Will this possibly cause eyebrows to be raised again, or we can believe they are just birds of like feathers who choose to flock together?

What is wrong if two ministers holds a programme together

Pastor Kun: Thank God the girl as been found, to God be the glory and may his name be praised forever more.

PS: but why are these pentecostal churches always eager to give the credit to their leader

So who was the person that gave glory to oyedepo. A kidnapper only told his experience . Why do you use every opportunity to attack the body of christ and ministers

Must every good development be seen as a marketing opportunity for their brand. One would have thought as christians they ought to give all glory to God as God does not share his glory with any man.

So what is the marketing here .? All I see is people giving glory to God

Btw Oyedepo chasing the kidnapper with a sword in his dreams sounds occultic to me

So oyedepo is now a cultist abi? All these just because of a testimony. The disease and blindness is occultic too.? And all the experience in the bible about dreams are occultic too.

What of the nightmare Pilate wife had with Jesus . Was Jesus occultic too

Matthew 27:19
When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.


Why are you so eager to spew you ignorance on the Internet. What pleasure do you derive in mocking the holy Spirit . It is called blasphemy

and not the way the holy spirit would operate.

Do you know the Holy Spirit? Is the name not big in your mouth to call. You just make mockery of the work off the precious spirit.

I just acquired a hoverfly Drone for certain scene in a christian movie I'm currently shooting. But the drone is not as easy to fly as the phantom DJI drone I'm used to. I've had several crashes ,after the last crash into a river. I conclude to seek help. If you're a christian and you're a drone pilot ,you can fly HOVERFLY , pls reach me through my email . The film location is Nigeria. Thanks

JesusisLord85: Look at this man. Let me point two things out.
1: You sai something that screams 'false teacher'. You said "Let every one follow the truth he knows".

Of course do you follow the truth you don't know? You follow your persuasion . That's what the bible says

But Paul says "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." 1 Corinthians 1:10

That's paul and his members who were submitted to him. He can't say that to the congregation under Peter or James . They obviously have doctrinal dispute .

[quote]Secondly. You have misunderstood Romans 14. Romans 14 is about "doubtful disputations"
Romans 14:1 "Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations." The Law was not doubtful.[/quote ]

It very applicable because you and your cronies sees tithes as an issue of the law . Tithe is not an issue of the law but I still try to condescend to your level by saying " okay even if its of the law . Paul teaches be persuaded .

JesusisLord85: Please give the scripture for the unclean animals in particular. Leviticus 27 is not about tithe so dont bother trying to use that.

"the maniacs were jews" he says. Please prove it with scripture. Even if it were Isaelites farming pigs, tha does not prove your point. Not everyone was walking in accordance with the word. After all, it was a gentile town.

Shalom

Lets stop going in circles pls . Ok let me ask you this .

How does a dealer in dogs or a dealer in Carmel or a dealer on horses give his tithes?

frosbel: And you call burdening God's children with the Tithe lie , TRUTH ? Is this some sort of April fool joke or what ?

It's not about tithe it's about the word . The word is truth. The principles of the bible are truths.it works for those who acted on them by faith. If you don't believe in tithing, cool no problem follow your convictions but make sure you serve Jesus . Some dont believe in fasting either . they call it WORK. claiming i don't have to starve myself for God to bless me. no problem . some believe is sabbath , others don't . it's fine too . But attacking other Christians for their faith is wrong. Let every one follow the truth he knows. It's the holyghost who opens the understanding of people . .i will still round up with my popular scripture .

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Pastor Kun: Don't mind him he reads from different translations depending on which one can be best used to confuse people into believing the lie he is trying to present.

No rather I issue different translations that can break the truths into simple language for those who confuse themselves like you. . And I believe I'm at liberty to use any translation or is there a Nairaland recommended translation?

JesusisLord85: Matthew 8:32-33
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine. . .

If you study that passage ,the shepherd of those swine were Israelites

Thank you for the invitation. I know that scripture, and Matthew 8:28 says "And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes". And I can tell you conclusively this was a gentile town. I like how you said "if you study the passage, the shepherd of those swine were israelites". Please tell me how you concluded that to be so. Unclean spirits casted into unclean animals. Makes sense.

The town inhabits Jews and Gentiles. The maniacs were Jews . As a principle Jesus by default didnt have dealings with Gentiles

Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Don't spend time on irrelevant things. I have given you scriptural backing from Old Testament that God commanded unclean animals to be redeemed with cash .

Leviticus 27:27
27 If it be of an unclean animal, the owner may redeem it according to your valuation, and shall add a fifth to it; or if it is not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to your valuation.

The same principle applies to tithes and offerings. God did not accept spotted animals ,blind,cripple animal and unclean animal as tithes or as offerings . Such were converted to money. And 20 percent interest added

Zikkyy: Joagbaje you cannot be reaching conclusions based on what you think, you need to provide support. kindly provide some names or instances where people gave cash as tithe.

Check my posts

babaearly: @joagabje

what version of the bible you quoting from?

Luke 18:12 from message translation

JesusisLord85: You said 'unclean farmers'? I'm sorry my brother but no Israelite is permitted to farm pig.

Says who? Can you quote the scripture ? Dog , horse,Carmel are all unclean animal . God only said not to eat them. If people could rear horses why can't they rare pigs .

Matthew 8:32-33
And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine. . .

If you study that passage ,the shepherd of those swine were Israelites

And why would God want a tenth of an unclean sacrifice? That does not work brother.

Don't use your imagination , or mind assumption. Check the scripture. People gave tithes and offering of unclean animals ,they only gave it in cash. Don't the priest ride unclean horse!

Leviticus 27:27
27 If it be of an unclean animal, the owner may redeem it according to your valuation, and shall add a fifth to it; or if it is not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to your valuation.

Secondly, not everyone tithed. Deuteronomy 26:12 "When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied".

That's a different tithe for feasting every 3years, not the annual one that is given to God

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JesusisLord85: Do I need to repeat myself. See scripture below. Stop uttering assumptions. Give me one scripture where it was recorded. My passage below is pretty clear. MONEY was always given as an offering, that is different to tithe

Deuteronomy 14:22-27
You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.

If God accepted money, he would have said, if your tithe is too heavy to carry to the place of worship, turn it into silver and give the money to Levites. BUT he did not. He said exchange it for money, go to the place of worship, and THEN buy food.

I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

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JesusisLord85: Do I need to repeat myself. See scripture below. Stop uttering assumptions. Give me one scripture where it was recorded. My passage below is pretty clear. MONEY was always given as an offering, that is different to tithe

Deuteronomy 14:22-27
You shall tithe all the yield of your seed that comes from the field year by year. 23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.

If God accepted money, he would have said, if your tithe is too heavy to carry to the place of worship, turn it into silver and give the money to Levites. BUT he did not. He said exchange it for money, go to the place of worship, and THEN buy food.

I didnt want to enter debate . I only wanted to clarify you. So pls lets keep it scholastic and not make it a messy war.

Let me give a little background . The principle about tithing is "of all possession" . Abraham' gave tithe of all .

Genesis 14:20
. . . And he gave him tithes of all.

Genesis 28:22
. . . : and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Luke 18:12
. . . I give tithes of all that I possess.

God demanded animal and crop as offerings and tithes because they were used in the temple for national offerings and sacrifices as well as welfare of priests. How ever it's not every crop or animal that God accept as tithes and offerings. He didnt accept unclean crops and animals because they were not used in the temple. God only took what was usable. You couldn't give tithes of Carmel,dogs ,snakes or pigs etc because they were unclean . Does it mean these unclean farmers were exempted from tithing ? No . They had to give cash equivalent , it is called redemption. People had the option of giving tithes and offering by cash or kind. If you give it tithe in cash ,you add 20% extra cash.

Leviticus 27:31
31 And if a man wants to redeem any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

So cash was given as tithe in bible days. Salary earners fall under this category too

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week and tithe on all my income. . . .

JesusisLord85: Secondly, tithe is not money, never was, never will be. :

Tithing has always be in cash or kind . People gave money as tithes in the bible days . Same principle goes with offerings

truthislight: Which gospel did you get material properity preaching from ?

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

2 Corinthians 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,


So which gospel did you get your poverty from?

Tithing is not a work of the law it's a work of faith.
Fasting is not a work of the law ,It's a work
Prayer is not a work of the law ,it's a work of faith.
Offering giving is not a irk of the law ,it's a work of faith ,
Alms giving is not a work of the law ,it's a work of faith,
worshipping God it's not a work of the law it's a work of faith .

Let tithing debate end . Lets go and win souls . And plant trees or righteousness in Gods kingdom.

He is not wrong, prayer can prevent anything and guarantee safety. If you must dwell in climatic volatile areas. You must handle nature by prayer of faith. If you don't have such faith simply keep away from such zone. Jesus fasted in the desert in the midst of lions ,reptiles and scorpion. He had to tame them by faith.

Mark 1:13
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts. . . . ..

[quote author=maximunimpact]According to Col 1:14, Apostle Paul thought Christians dat they are nolonger under the law. ''The handwriting of ordinance written against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us, and He(Christ) have taken it away nailing it to the cross.

He(Paul) also taught dat d law was our school teacher leading us to Christ. Jesus said: ''I did not come to break d law, I have come to fulfil dem.

The law was only abolished for justification. The law cannot make a man righteous, the law cannot bring salvation. But the principles if Gods kingdom are revealed in the law . Tithing ,praying,fasting,worship,,offering,alms giving ,honoring your parents etc all are kingdom principles. They are forever,


Ephesians 6:2-3
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Why was Paul quoting the law here and other places . It's because the content of the law was not the problem. But the attachment to be justified by deed of the law is error

It's irreverentce to God when someone walks out of a church during service. Every church has structure according o the leading of the spirit there. Some people do that a lot . A service is not over until God is through with them. In many churches the service ends by the pastor pronouncing blessing on the congregation after which they have benediction.

Irreverence to Gods presence can be a sin. It's not about the pastor, it could have been when someone is praying,altar call ,healing hour etc. a christian must be sensitive to the holygjost when he is in operation . How can a man of Gid be teaching you and you just walk out?

Technically it's not a sin . There could have been a reason to leave a church during service ,maybe for nature call, emergency ( for doctores , police etc) at such time ,such individual you politely tell the ushers ,and he can exit reverently. There is order in the church. He is a Gid of order.


[i]1 Corinthians 14:33[/i
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Tithe topic is a distraction. It should be avoided . Those who argue against tithes mostly don't really have a local church or a pastor over them. The problem with them is bigger that tithe . It's about their life and spiritual authority

The first concern is who is your target market. You said you want to reach out to sinners. A daily devotional is not primarily for sinners. It's for those who all ready saved and want a guide I'm their prayers and daily devotion to God. Sinners don't do devotional . If you want to reach sinners a tract may be a good idea. I'm not saying they can get saved reading devotional though.

Nothing is wrong in selling your material so that the money can be used in publishing more. People sold and circulated material in bible days. From books of prophets to the epistles . Scribed copied them out for interested buyers at a fee.

But if you are so led to make it free. Then you need to have partners who will sponsor them publishing . What really counts is what God tells you to do. His ability is in the instruction he gives you. Don't do it in the flesh . If you are led to sell ,sell. If you're led to make it free. Then God will give you people who will buy into that vision to put their millions into it.

So all that matter is what God tells you. The Gideon bible are free only because they have financial partners who sponsor every copy around the world.

Success is relative . There's a natural mans perspective . But true success is to be all that God ordained you to be. Fulfilling Gods destiny for your life.

obadiah777: OGA JO HE AINT FOLLOWING THE CHRIST THE MAN. THATS CARNAL. THE MAN IS JUST THE TEMPLE OF THE WORD.

JOHN 1 VS 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<<< THATS THE CHRIST HE IS FOLLOWING. THE WORD. WHEN YOU GO TO CHURCH ARE YOU WORSHIPPING THE BUILDING ?

So who was he following?

alfaman2: Does the bolded mean christians should start following Paul as well?

Where would the follow follow stop?

I think Paul meant follow his words as he follows those of Christ.

I think Obadiah has a point.

Following is living by the teaching of such. Jesus reveals revelations of truth to his ministers .following the teaching is followership.

Pastor Olu T: You want to share something with me, Please do for i do not get u yet?

You don't get me? . I said it contains videos clips of people on the street doing live evangelism . Someone was preaching to a truck pusher etc . It's like practical evangelism ,

@op
Let bible speak

1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

frosbel: , what is in dispute is when does a human being become a sinner , fully accountable for his/her actions:

Being a sinner has nothing to do with actions

Sinners can not sin. Because they are sinners by nature . It's a christian who can commit sin. And he is not a sinner .

Also, if you say SIN is a condition, why does the bible make statements such as ' the soul that sins shall die ' ,

It's an Old Testament thing . According to the law. But there's a principle there . Man has sin and man has died in Adam

But asking if a child is a sinner ,yes he is. If a child is immune from the adamic sin then it will be wrong for a child to fall sick because sickness is part of the effect of sin nature. As long as children can fall sick . They are partakers of adamic fallen nature .

Pastor Olu T: Did not see the video, guess network problem?

Okay it contains live recording of real evangelism .

frosbel: Not every man has sinned in ADAM, but most men will eventually choose sin because of the Adamic nature.

This is only true when that person gets to the age of knowing the difference between right and wrong.

It is not a man's wrong deed that makes him a sinner.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

If we understand sin ,we will understand righteousness. It is not our right deed that justifies but the work on the cross on our behalf . The same way it is not a man wrong deed that make him a sinner.

Zikkyy: The matter dey affect your business?

Not at all . You Guys can go ahead and fight it out I will get ma pop corn