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komekn:
The creme de La creme of the SE have been birthed from the EPL and or currently play there. That's why we made it, without them the SE would not have qualified.

You have no idea what's at play here. The NFF is not sincere in its quest for Nigerian origin players. We should be the first to recognise them not England.

But the issue is that these boys are not desperate and they will not settle, no Egunje for NFF officials.

All this talk about national loyalty. I can assure if the U17 team were offered EU passports, a good club and money they would burn thier Nigerian passport on prime time TV.

So who is actually patriotic.

You have spoken correctly

komekn:

I would because Enyeama is simply much better no argument .

The way we discard players is baffling. Hope got injured playing for Nigeria and then we said bye bye. Is that how a players should be treated Who replaced him and where they actually better

Injury was an issue but it wasn't the only issue. Anichebe withdrew himself in discontent.

Sone Aluko was discarded because he didn't play ball and agree to settle. Finito.

All these players that were discarded at the core if the problem. They do not understand the politics of settlement in Nigerian football in the first instance. Secondly the concept is so alien to them it's abhorrent.

NFF also know that these boys will not settle they are not desperate. That's why they keep inviting them on the pages of newspapers and on the media and giving. msinformation. That some of us wilfully gobble up without drinking water sef.

We are Nigerians let's not pretend we know without an iota of doubt. What is normal, endemic and ingrained practice in our institutions.

If VicMo no dey who go dey?

nelszx:
CAF Best XI in the WCQ series
Our very own VicMo and Leon Balogun made the cut......Impressive I must say

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The list included Al Ahly’s left back Aly Maaloul after he shined with the Tunisian national team. The lineup has also seen the presence of Uganda goalkeeper Denis Onyango, Senegal’s Sadio Mane and Nigeria’s Victor Moses.

World Cup Qualifiers XI:

Denis Onyango (Uganda); Serge Aurier (Ivory Coast), Ahmed Hegazi (Egypt), Leon Balogun (Nigeria), Aly Maaloul (Tunisia); Victor Moses (Nigeria), Sadio Mane (Senegal), Youssef Msakni (Tunisia), Mbark Boussoufa (Morocco), Khalid Boutain (Morocco); Mohamed Salah (Egypt).

yes, the problem is we recount our successes in the under age category, and think that SHOULD translate to success in the senior level. And even many of us consider ourselves a powerhouse in Africa. This thinking is MOSTLY from our successes at the under-age category. But let truth be told --- and this is not exclusive to Nigeria -- many players from the U17 tournaments rarely live up to the expectation at the senior level. I think I compiled a list of players who really made a breakthrough from our U17 classes some pages back, and it was crystal clear that we HAD an average of only 3 players from all our Golden Eaglets classes to really make it to the Super Eagles. Many of which did not have long careers in the Super Eagles. Now I'm not even talking about those who really had successful careers.

To have a system where we can connect with players in diaspora is a great thing. Parent who want their children to represent Nigeria will register their wards early. There should be some form of synergy and relationship building, such that players in diaspora who are interested in representing us can readily get information they need and have access to the NFF. People call that opening a shop, or beggin. laughable.

As regards Iorfa, you will find some who will say when we wanted him, he turned us down, so now we don't need him. How people reason really baffles me.

komekn:
Football is not about sentimental loyalty or emotive preference. That essentially enthrones mediocrity.

Let's be true, Omeruo is player that seems to have peaked at U17 level. Promised much bet delivered very little. He is a Chelsea player in name not in practice and will never smell the Chelsea team. Hence the indignity of having to train with the Chelsea U18 team.

Is he really the best we have When Dominic Iorfa was winning MOTM awards and best young player in the league in 2014 /15 Omeruo was playing for Middlesbrough. He didn't have an outstanding season. If we are to compare the two of them who would you rather have. If sentimental loyalty is removed and objective measurement used there is no competition.

So why is Omeruo there, can we assume that your relationship with the NFF powers that be, maybe paramount in maintaining your position. I wonder

There is a trend that's becoming irrefutable. That is that golden Eagles youth players have first option and consideration to the SE. It's not based on present continous consistent performances or improvement but past youth football glories.

That trend was seen with Osimhen, Nwakali, Succes, Agu, Awazeim, and others waiting in the wings.

The Golden standard is that transgresses all national football associations is that your club performance is the basis for selection with very few exceptions. That's not the standard we use.

My logic has been that if we have put so much focus on football, to the detriment of others sports, over the years, and we've had many football loving people including government officials and still yet we cannot have a good football development structure, it is a reflection on how we do things. Why would you expect we would have handled our economic issues better?

Mujtahida:
Okay I agree because ever since I began discussing with you our thriving entertainment industry has been sticking it's head up to me but the reality today is that we have a large pool of talented players we cannot afford to ignore notwithstanding the fact that some will ignore us and that does not stop us from developing our league if we really do want to do so. The point you should note is that our league was vibrant at a point but it has gone down now. We should pull it up.

So their football industry should just go downhill just because they are having some challenges economically? Did you do statistics in school?

Correlation does not automatically mean that the change in one variable is the cause of the change in the values of the other variable. Causation, however, indicates that one event is the result of the occurrence of the other event.

You are missing the point.

goldfish80:
First of all, football is a talent based industry. Just like our booming entertainment industry, football can rise above the thriving mediocrity in all sectors of the economy.

Statistically, Spain have one of the highest unemployment rates in Europe yet their football industry is vibrant.

How about Brazil? Even with the downturn in their economy, protests, street fights and biting economic realities facing the country in recent times, yet their football industry is thriving!

Do you know how many Brazilians who lost their lives in January while protesting when Jesus transfered to Man city in January?

Great minds think alike.. The truth is we spend countless hours debating nothing. And nobody want to take action. Such is the Nigerian culture. And that's why sometimes I just conclude that Nigeria won't get batter. But maybe there is a ray of hope.

Mujtahida:
I replied his mentions without reading this your post and I'm amazed at how you totally mirror my thoughts. On this issue, Omo we don dey telepathic ooo.

He ran away from the socio-economic issue. I hope he learned something.

Mujtahida:
You don't need to defend that point. All our various diasporan societies engaging doctors, tech heads, business executives of Nigerian descent are set up shops too

you are a joke.. can we have your suggestion? something fresh please

goldfish80:
It was easy. Atleast from your suggestion, it appeared you wanted to lead a team of fans who will picket the glass house, armed with a list of foreign born footballers who should be contacted early.

I'm bewildered how you came up with that from my write-up.

goldfish80:
Your solution to tap into the rich potentials is to set up shop in Europe where foreign born players are begged and cajoled to come play for Nigeria.
Clap for yourself.

According to wikipedia, "Joel Obi was born and raised near Lagos, Nigeria, to a family with South African and Ivorian origins on his mother's side, and Congolese origins on his father's side. He immigrated to Parma, Italy to live with his parents"

junnyjake:
Italy at a point wanted to cap him. He migrated to Italy with his parents to Italy I guess.


His family background is kinda mixed up though.

He does pretty well in many occasions, but loses concentration in other crucial moments.

tbaba1234:
He got back into the team because of injuries. He is not a bad player.

lol

SerVik:
hahaha.. Exactly what I was about to type. Make the guy no let Colin catch am o

Watching Nigeria vs Zambia in Ndola
How Omeruo gifted them their only goal. I wonder why he is still in the team. I would have tried one Faith Obilor.

Colin, not Collins hahaha

soetanoreoluwa:
Ex international And renowned sport journalist Collins Udoh

Good job soetanoreoluwa !

In fact from this very moment I will stop indulging in needless arguments. If the discussion is not about how we, collectively, can be involved in something progressive for the betterment of Nigerian football or the Nigerian society at large, it's just noisemaking, hoping that someone "important" will stumble on this thread and act is a pipe dream.
You know what? As regards my new stance, that's what I call TRUE patriotism.

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Just arguing in favor of your country does no mean you are patriotic. Love for country is action. What can we do? Then I will start discussing.
In fact i'm calling on all those who are ready to talk solutions here, let's meet on whatsapp or something. We can use our time more wisely.

My friend they have a system at home. And they also have a system of keeping these players on their radar. I'm not even a basketball fan. And just because the Greek basketball league is not as popular as the NBA don't mean they don't have a structured league.

goldfish80:
You're still on this Antetokumpo case? Not even after showing you clearly that this guy started playing for Greek U19's when he was playing in the Greek 2nd division?
Do you watch Greek A2 basketball? Name one team you know in the Greek 2nd div basketball league.

It takes a lot of hard work to develop from home. The easy way out will be to ambush diaspora born who are on the verge of signing professional contracts, when we return with our tails behind like in the cases of Owomoyela, Nedum, Aogo and lately Tammy, we will be back here suggesting how to open shops to get these individuals to commit early before their adopted countries invite them.

I'm quite disappointed having this sort of conversation to be honest.

There are potentials everywhere. Where there is no system, you go to the streets to find them. You can keep promoting backwardness if you want. Potential is only a thing -- innate, Just as resources is only a thing -- found underneath. But what do you do from there? Keep these talents in the Nigerian system and you will see what will become of these potentials.
You can't separate socio-economic strength as you call it from football. You doubt me? Look at the forerunners in sports for that matter. Compare it to their economies, you will see a correlation. For one thing I know that some people will travel but they will still not learn much. I have seen that type.

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Football is our number one sport. And if we still can't get it right in football, that tells you something about our socio-economic strength.

goldfish80:
Comparing the socio-economic strength of Nigeria with football is like apples and oranges. They are not the same thing.

Science and technology is not one of our strengths as a country. It makes sense to import warships,gun boats, fighter jets and armored tanks. One can ask questions why some inventions made by the Biafrans during the war was not tapped into by succeeding governments (story for another day).

When it comes to football, we cannot say we lack the talents so much that we should start importing footballers just like we import warships. This is ridiculous.


Read what a foreigner said about talents in Nigeria

” I can’t seem to understand the rave behind Karamoko Dembele by the world, especially Nigerians. I have seen a lot of his type on the street in Nigeria, so kill the hype” He told Owngoalnigeria.com.

” He is good no doubt, but like I told a friend of mine, in Nigeria on the streets on bad playing pitches, not the type Dembele enjoys in Scotland, they are better players in Lagos, Abuja, Porthacourt, Warri, Kaduna, Kano etc.

” I challenge anybody who doubts me to follow me to Nigeria. Look my friend, I have spent time in the country and in Europe, so I know what am saying. They are millions of Dembele on the street in Nigeria, playing football with no boots or facility but yet doing well”.

A foreigner believes Nigeria have this many un tapped talents.
Take a moment and let that sink in.

we read what we want and pick what we want, and believe what we want as well. I can post the entire quote of the boy that said day and draw a different conclusion from it all together. But let's not go on, with the matter. I've promised to rest the Tammy case. But should his matter show up here again, I will jump on it. I'm waiting to jump on something..lol

Naijaphobia:
You raised a very cogent point about his utterances which sound demeaning to our national pride. Sincerely, I will be appalled hearing this but let's just not forget he is still a young man and prone to mistakes, pls note this is not in his defence. There is room for remorse and the Zaha way if he later sees things differently. Let's not dispose both the baby and the bathwater....Hope the source isn't from Naija media oh!? Cos those guys can write anything to boast traffic.

ehen.. good one!

Icon79:
Thank you very much, my broad!

That and also know the limits of our discussions here. Sometimes some of us act like once we can win the argument here, that it would change something in the team. Frankly, I don't think that Rohr would come to NL web forum to gauge our temperature before making his team selections or before inviting people to the camp. I mean, I don't see Rohr going "hmm ... these fans think that John Ogu is better than Mikel Agu, so next time I would play Ogu instead of Agu."

I know you get the gist!



O pari

okay Tammy.. bye for now.. I promise you I won't be the one to bring Tammy back on this thread, but he will return

Mujtahida:
Are we bereft of other things to discuss? I blame Iwobi. You would have been sweating by now plus all the injury wahala. Forget the Tammy matter. It's gone.

Okay I appreciate the honesty. If all you said is true, tomorrow IF the boy decides to play for us, let's accept him with that same love.

Humility017:
please bro...let's leave this Tammy issue please..I really don't want it to cause misunderstanding between us...

all since I have been following football..I have never seen a player Nigerians so much craved for and loved the way they go about this Tammy....
the news of his possible switch brought joy to many football loving nigerians....

I remember a man United fan I once meet sometime ago could not hide his excitement....this is someone who barely watch the super eagles play....
he was so excited and was blessing pinnick...

he was someone that I tell you....pinnick don't mind snick into the 24 man squad for the world cup....

the measures adopted for his switch I doubt if it has been employed for other players.....
mind you...pinnick has been on his case right from his under 19 days in Chelsea academy...

pinnick was ready to throw him.in the ring...had it been him and his dad gave him their words...

they kept telling pinnick...that he wanna progress through the English youth system first....that's their focus for now....

same style llorfa and his son used....hoping that llorfa junior will get into the 3 lions squad...now that it is becoming impossible...he now wants his son to play for nigeria....

it really pained many Nigerians...and you don't expect them to take it lightly wit him..especially that red carpet statement....the lad messed up wit those words...

I tell you many Nigerians just love this boy...
that's why they're reactin the way they're doing.....
I believe with time...they will forget and let him be.....

oga if I follow you go down that road we will both get dirty.
These things I said shouldn't bother you if you don't see yourself in that majority.
I'm well travelled. I know what I'm saying when I talk about us being noisy. And of course we know we are noisy. Or maybe we are so accustomed to it to the extent that we do not even know. Just as one of my friend said, that Nigerians are so corrupt and they don't even know it. so true. And that's not necessarily a generalization. You have to understand context.
I have said it here countless times that corruptions is everywhere. In fact you will find everything everywhere.
Even slums are in America.
So let "commonsense" teach you where I stand in this comparison.

Humility017:
there you go again wit your loopsided generalisation....
count me out of that majority....
because...many Nigerians I know prove otherwise....

i still remember a British man remark when mikel caused the free kick that led to PSG first goal in the last champions league he played....

I doubt if any Nigerian will swiftly make such comment....

please bro...common sense should teach you..that they're good,noisy and bad people in every nation,race tribe or continent....

so please...don't paint Nigeria with your views

When Tammy first said he was still available for England. There were no insults abi?
Did he insult us then? Talk true!

Humility017:
you make me laugh....

I never hate Tammy....I wrote him at a time....that despite his desire to play for England...i still love him and that he is one of my favorite young strikers....


and for those insulting Tammy you guys claimed....I have checked on Twitter...and I can't find the insults...the young man insulted Nigeria at first with his nasty statements...though i agree he is just a teenager...and still not used to right words yet....

hahaha.. oga u lit up my day!
very soon we go say make we do rotation on top jersey. Na only Nigeria get many tribes.

Icon4s:
We don't need any Ankara design jare. Before you know it one group will cry marginalisation and will want an adire design, another one would want a buba design, and another Isiagu.

Let it just be the normal conventional jersey design jare. Uh design epp sef?

You mean through TSTV?
Let me see if I can find BeIN Sports schedule online.

PDPGuy:
Does anyone know if BeIN Sports will broadcast both matches?

And how do you know I'm not already on twitter?
Those i'm speaking against know themselves. If you no join why does it bother you? Does the "few" insults bother you?
You want me to go to twitter to take statistics of how many were actually insulting?
My friend I am Nigerian myself. When I say Nigerians are good at raining abuses and being noisy, you and I know the majority of us are like that. Let's call a spade a spade.

Humility017:
i am not any man's defense mantra....
you guys only come here to claim defense...
it would have make more sense..if you and your clique....stay on Twitter to drag those insulting him...as some of you claimed...

I follow the lad on Twitter...I have gone to Twitter to go see for myself if those claims of you guys yesterday was true...
only to find out...that you guys made it look as if most Nigerians who commented on this matter on Twitter were all insulting him...

most Nigerians only made reference to the likes of agbonlahor and co...and how they were treated...some say he will likely get few caps like 5 or so...
that's all I could read...though there were few insults...

even the English peeps are not free from same immaturity....

everyone has a different perception on this Tammy scenario and as such are going to interprete it differently....

to some....Tammy used the super eagles to draw up Southgate attention...

to others he was grossly pressured by the English press....

on another pole...pinnick messed everything up...bla bla...

so stop trying to rubbish Nigerians...here go to Twitter and show your prowess...stall those you think are insulting Tammy and co...

They re talking and I am talking. we both have our rights. I stand for what is right and I will always defend people who are abused irrationally.
Even if Tammy were poor and everyone was against him, I will stand for him. That's my person. These people you are defending, are you also their defense mantra? abi you join them?

Humility017:
good you're now his defense mantra...
please let those who wanna talk...talk their talk....
you're not Tammy...let the lad or his handlers make case for him.

if only we can really come together and talk about workable ways we can get the government into doing the right things, that time spent will be well worth it. I only try to argue here to appeal to our consciousness that we need to be focusing our energies on the real problems. Else, I won't waste my time on here. Nigerians we go it wrong with our priorities.

Mujtahida:
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha. So the insults just started after he granted the interview?let us just be sincere : We just like to insult people needlessly and use every opportunity as an excuse to indulge in that sorry national past time.

okay fine.. make noise as you want.. na your data.. And I will defend him as I want, na my data. At the end of the day it will be clear who looks more stupid.

Humility017:
bro...I don't have anythin against those insulting him....
if you do...you can as well take them to court..
I just can't understand...If you've become tammy's advocate...
please let everyone be....in as much I wont insult him or anyone...

It will do you some good to write this length you just wrote and dedicate it to those raining abuses on Tammy. All I have tried to do is show that we need to be better at making approaches if we must learn anything from this saga. I'm not pressing on the need for NFF to refute what Tammy said. if we must go on throwing stones on Tammy, then the NFF should not be spared as regards knowing what really happened. That's all i'm saying.

SerVik:
I couldn't care any less what Tammy says, freedom of expression is a fundamental human right and Tammy has exercised his.

What I'm saying is that we should move on, as opposed to you who think our football Federation should present a 50 slide PowerPoint to refute a single sentence from Tammy.

Move on. But if the NFF has enough time on their hands to be do a press release to counter a statement made by somebody who is probably sipping Cooley in the English camp then by all means.

While we are at it, should we also create a committee to search the Internet and respond to every quote from players like ibe, Sidney Sam, agbolanhor and the rest?

It's few months to the world Cup, we have more pressing issues.

I repeat, it's not worth it.