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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 10:21pm On Nov 07, 2017
Sir we can all sign the petition and forward to the NFF somehow if there is a channel. I don't care, all our names can be on it. I'm not claiming ownership.

Mujtahida:
I just wanted to know the reason why they choose to play for Greece over Nigeria. I am not blaming Nigeria. I am only saying it would be great if we adopted a more forward approach and that to adopt a strategy of saying they must declare first for us before we invite them is being unrealistic if we chose that as our ONLY strategy.

And do you know that I mentioned Atetokuonmpo just as a background to the main point I wanted to make namely that they are parents with kids all over the world looking for ways through which their kids can represent Nigeria and I feel that engagement and contact with them can solve that problem.
Are you happy with what we are doing with fifteen year old Omadiji? He's just fifteen years old, NFF sends him happy birthday wishes. Do they do that to every kid? No! But we appreciate what they are doing. They are saying we care, we want to be part of your world. That's not begging. That's engagement, that's building relationship.

We cannot pursue every kid. Let's pursue the talented ones early and even at that we will lose some, and win some. We have played and lost many football matches, important ones too but we've not stopped playing football altogether. So for all those who we approached and they declined, we possibly have those we approached and they accepted. So I am vehemently against the adoption of one strategy.
Joebie has written a fine piece that expresses my full sentiments on this issue. I endorse it and adopt it as mine(with his kind permission)
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 10:15pm On Nov 07, 2017
Ejaria actually did say he wants to play for Nigeria. But that didn't stop him from playing for England.

komekn:
When did Ejaria commit to Nigeriahuh

Or I my getting this wrong.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:44pm On Nov 07, 2017
Uzoho in Morocco. Expected to be in camp tonight. Misses training.
Mikel and Akpeyi still expected.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:44pm On Nov 07, 2017
According to the NFF, Omeruo replaces Onazi, and Kayode replaced Moses Simon.
Maybe Muazam to replace Ighalo. As you can see, it's not a like for like replacement.

aodis:
So who is replacing Ighalo Onazihuh?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 6:24pm On Nov 07, 2017
THE FULL LIST with REPLACEMENTS



Goalkeepers: Daniel Akpeyi (Chippa United, South Africa); Ikechukwu Ezenwa (FC IfeanyiUbah); Francis Uzoho (Deportivo La Coruna, Spain)



Defenders: William Ekong (Bursaspor FC, Turkey); Abdullahi Shehu (Anorthosis Famagusta, Cyprus); Tyronne Ebuehi (ADO Den Haag, The Netherlands); Leon Balogun (FSV Mainz 05, Germany); Uche Agbo (Standard Liege, Belgium); Chidozie Awaziem (Nantes FC, France); Olaoluwa Aina (Hull City, England), Kenneth Omeruo (Kasimpasa FC, Turkey)



Midfielders: Mikel John Obi (Tianjin Teda, China); Wilfred Ndidi (Leicester City, England); Oghenekaro Etebo (CD Feirense, Portugal); John Ogu (Hapoel Be’er Sheva, Israel); Mikel Agu (Bursaspor FC, Turkey); Chidiebere Nwakali (Sogndal FC, Norway)



Forwards: Ahmed Musa (Leicester City, England); Kelechi Iheanacho (Leicester City, England); Olarenwaju Kayode (Girona, Spain) ; Alex Iwobi (Arsenal FC, England); Henry Onyekuru (RSC Anderlecht, Belgium); Anthony Nwakaeme (Hapoel Be’er Sheva, Israel)



STANDBY: Alhassan Ibrahim (FK Austria Wien, Austria); Brian Idowu (FC Amkar Perm, Russia)

aadvark:
please can someone give me the full list of players invited for the Algeria and Argentina game?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:48pm On Nov 07, 2017
grin
tbaba1234:
Waiting for an imaginary call-up as opposed to a real one. It is one thing to talk about how great a country is before the invite and another to talk that way after an invite.

And playing regularly for Hungary is better exposure than playing for Nigeria. Just because they play in Europe. The best clubs are in Europe, the top scouts are there. How often do WC take place to see Nigeria on a global stage?
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:38pm On Nov 07, 2017
haha.. skewed..

Love for the Super Eagles because the Nigerian team is actually a big name.
He wants to identify with the team. Does he think playing for Nigeria is a better option? -- most probably, yes.


tbaba1234:
What i see here is love for Nigeria, Patroitism..

He followed his heart and not necessarily what was in his career's best interest.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:13pm On Nov 07, 2017
tbaba1234 read line by line

Otigba quotes


''Yesterday, I got an invitation from the first team squad of Hungary for the first time. They play against Greece in European qualification; I was called up,'' Kenneth Otigba said to SL10.ng.

''But I just spoke to the trainer, Dárdai Pal, ten minutes ago, and I told him if I listen to my heart, then I'll wait until Nigeria calls me.

''I am rejecting it because my biggest dream is to play for the Super Eagles, so I'll wait for that, maybe one day.''

The former Liverpool and Norwich City target has nothing but praise for Nigeria's national team, calling the Super Eagles the most dominant team in Africa.

''I would be so happy to play for Nigeria. I love the team because I look up to the players.

''I think they are the best team in Africa, and everyone knows the history about Nigerian football.

''I would just feel wonderful, and it will motivate me if I see all the big Nigerian players around me.

''I believe my dad would be delighted if I play for Nigeria one day,'
Kenneth Otigba added.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:07pm On Nov 07, 2017
I fear oh. Abi did they reach out to the Greece Basketball Association first before they were considered?

Even nations that steal our talents they have a system of doing that. They put laws in place. They put measures in place. And they make the information available.

Mujtahida:
You've still not told why they chose Greece over Nigeria. Were they approached and they declined? It's the reason for their decision I want to understand.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 5:00pm On Nov 07, 2017
Were prior contacts made on Ejaria, Alaba, Balogun etc when they declared for Nigeria? Putting his international furure on the line? You mean when Hungary game calling? Explain.

Sir,
Two things because I don't like derivative arguments. I take one discussion at a time. So let us get this clear.

One, I had stressed that MOST of these players will choose the other country over Nigeria. So there is no point we arguing about Otigba's true reasons, as I never said it's NEVER about patriotism.

I also said earlier that patriotism is overplayed here. When I say patriotism is an illusion, I'm not saying it's impossible for one to be patriotic. Get the context. I'm saying the way we think of that word as regards these player's making their choices is illusionary. MOST (once again) times, the decisions they make are like professional decisions. How do I know this? By carefully studying their statements before and after, I've realized that they considered the other nation as well, but the opportunity was not open to them AT THE TIME THEY MADE THEIR DECISION to choose Nigeria. Hence, we are a second option.

Consider the latest on Tammy. They were asking him if there a was decision to be made (trying to know what's going on from the Nigeria side) or if he was or is still considering Nigeria. Read all his answers paying attention word for word.

tbaba1234:
Otigba declared for Nigeria with zero guarantee of ever playing or even being invited.. No contact from NFF, nothing... That is like putting your international future on the line with no guarantees..

No player does that with career in mind especially as Nigeria is not necessarily a better career move.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 4:33pm On Nov 07, 2017
Even Iwobi said as a child he wanted to play for Nigeria. you and I know if England had gone for him early enough he will not be playing for us today.
Nigeria is a big name in football. That's the point. A bigger name than Hungary. Stay with the point and stop digressing.


tbaba1234:
You HAD a name. Nigeria is not much to be reckoned with these days. Let us be honest with ourselves.

Otigba's decision was based on patroitism not necessarily the best career choice. I think, there was an interview where he talked about dreaming of playing for Nigeria as a child.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 4:18pm On Nov 07, 2017
Nigeria is a bigger football nation. A popular one for that matter. We have a name. Nigeria may not give him a better option, but often times in life we make choices based on what we think will benefit us more. I'm not here trying to analyze which option is ACTUALLY better.

As regards the Russia issue, from my little research it's not like he will be losing his Russian citizenship. I have to do further research on that. I've read OGN's story on that.


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tbaba1234:
Hungary does not have to qualify for any tournament for them to be a better international/career choice for Otigba. Playing European qualifiers with the best footballing nations will give him great exposure and possibly greater career opportunities. Playing Togo and Benin republic does not offer those kinds of opportunities. India /Uganda do not play European qualifiers.

From a career perspective, Nigeria does not necessarily offer better career growth and we have won only one AFCON since..
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 4:02pm On Nov 07, 2017
The comparison was actually Nigeria vs Hungary as regards Otigba. The India mention is just to buttress my point that countries get grade for football. No point teaching me about Hungary's most recents stats. Besides, before then they had not qualified for the Euros for 44 years. Or how many times had Hungary reached the last 16 in the Euros, when Otigba considered Nigeria ahead of Hungary?

tbaba1234:
Your first analogy was with India who have not qualified for anything.

As in the case of Otigba, it is probably best for them to look out for their best career interests as patrotism could make them miss out of international football.

Idowu is having to give up the Russian passport to play for Nigeria. Do you know how difficult that is??
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:40pm On Nov 07, 2017
I don't even pay attention to many of those keepers. Abi we dey go play ten ten for world cup?

Icon79:
Mikel should learn to lead by example. As per Akpeyi, it looks like he's trying to kick himself out of the team.


O pari
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:37pm On Nov 07, 2017
very soon he will pull in his kid brother much to the disgust of forgiveness. grin
I don find trouble, make i run lol


jotey:
Nwakali snr fitting in already

BTW where is ebuehi sef
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:33pm On Nov 07, 2017
grin
Mujtahida:
Stop begging. We need only those who are proud to wear the gwg
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 3:31pm On Nov 07, 2017
Even Uganda is not a bad footballing nation. We are making comparisons here.. Talking about the last Euros does not remove from my point.
My point is these players are attached to both countries and they will make decisions based on what will suit their interest not patriotism. Patriotism is overplayed here. We can believe what we want so long as it makes us happy.

tbaba1234:
Hungary is not a bad footballing nation. They were at the last Euros and qualified for the round of 16. Otigba could have been playing in the Euros.

If Hungary calls Otigba today, it is in his best interest to accept.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:54pm On Nov 07, 2017
Full List – 20 Eagles To Train By 4pm,Akpeyi, Mikel, Uzoho Keep Rohr Waiting
November 7, 2017020

A total of twenty ‎players of the senior national team of or Nigeria are presently in camp ahead of their upcoming games against Algeria and Argentina on the 10th and 14th of November respectively.

Coach Gernot Rohr is presently waiting for the trio of China based captain of the team John Obi Mikel, who is expected to arrive camp before the team head out for dinner.

Also South Africa based goalkeeper Daniel Akpeyi of Chippa United and newly invited shot stopper Francis Odinaka Uzoho of Deportivo La Coruna are yet to arrive the camp of the team.

Akpeyi is however expected to meet the team before their training which will take place by 4pm Nigerian team, but no word yet on the possible arrival time of Uzoho.

The 20 players are going to be involved in the team work out later this evening in what will be their first training session ahead of Friday’s game against Argentina.

Full List Of Players In Camp :

Ikechukwu Ezenwa

Shehu Abdullahi

Chidozie Awaziem

Chidiebere Nwakali

Ogehenekaro Etebo

John Ogu

Kenneth Omeruo

Olarewaju Kayode

Mikel Agu

Anthony Nwakaeme

Alex Iwobi

Ahmed Musa

Wilfred Ndidi

Olarewaju Kayode

Uche Agbo

Henry Onyekuru

Leon Balogun

William Troost-Ekong

Ola Aina

Tyronne Ebuehi

--OGN
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:48pm On Nov 07, 2017
u know say na we dey carry first for mouth na..one thing, we sabi make noise.


Icon79:
Nigerian fan base are worse tho. Like Clemence Westerhof used to say "there are 10 million coaches in Nigeria, but I am the one being paid to do the job." grin


O pari
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:45pm On Nov 07, 2017
fans will be fans. And this is not limited to Nigerian fans.

Icon79:
Guys, can we just leave the technical decisions to the guys who are paid to make those decisions. Here's why:

1. Gernot Rohr played the game at a higher level than any one of us here
2. Gernot Rohr had coached the game at a higher than anyone of us
3. I stand corrected but Rohr and his crew can read the game better than everyone of us here
4. Gernot Rohr knows these players better than everyone of us because he trains them and have watched them up, close, and personal.



O pari
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:44pm On Nov 07, 2017
Some may like Nigeria more. But considering our image, MOST like the other country more.
If I asked you today to play for India will you agree? Hungry na country for football?
Besides there is no guarantee Otigba will turn down another interest from Hungary.

tbaba1234:
Lol, different tone.. So he should not like Tammy's update? Playing international football is a big deal.

By the way, Ejaria commited himself to a Nigeria future years ago. Even though, he had the choice of England. Since then, he has played for the English under 20. I follow most of the English Nigerian boys on social media and Ejaria is one of the few that consistently follows Nigerian football. He was allowed to train with Manu's under 17.

Did Otigba not reject a call-up for Nigeria? Have you called him since?

Players with dual citizenship will usually go to the country that shows interest first. Building a relatioship is important but footballers have to look out for their careers too.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:41pm On Nov 07, 2017
okay good.
Declaration is only good for the papers.. But that's not how civilized people do things.
Those players were asked by journalists and they answered. So it made it's way to the media.
It's not like they called a press conference or something lol.


The
Mujtahida:
I knew you were being sarcastic.I just used it as an opportunity to address the 'declaration' mantra
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:28pm On Nov 07, 2017
haha same player that liked Abraham's England invite..
oga they all like us.. But they also like the other country.

jotey:
I've been saying it here

Ejaria has passion for gwg

Ejaria will one day don the gwg

You heard it here first
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:27pm On Nov 07, 2017
dont mind him!

PROVERBZ:
Oluwashina ekelji has been dragging Tammy Abraham on Twitter


Is it by force to play for Nigeria ??
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:25pm On Nov 07, 2017
I was just being sarcastic.

Mujtahida:
its not an issue. i get the perspective of saying players should declare for us. but I oppose it when its said that we should go for ONLY those who declare for us. Nooooooo. We don't wait for anybody to declare any sh!t for us. We go out for them. We engage them, we persuade them, we give them reasons why playing for us will do them good. with this approach we will gain some and we will lose some. at the end those we gain will don the GWg with pride. Their pictures would be displayed but only few would know that they were fist engaged and approached by us. Ebuehi would don the Gwg with pride hopefully by Friday. He ejected us before but he will don the Jersey with pride. One needs some depth to grasp these things.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 2:23pm On Nov 07, 2017
Conversely, Ameobi.
Why didn't he turn down England for Nigeria when England weren't making any moves?
Their heart is with both countries, not necessarily 50-50, with each player and their own unique situation.
I wasn't lashing out at Alaba. I was only saying almost all of them are in the same boat. Let's not speak of patriotism like if we were presented with two passports. That of the UK/Australia/US etc, and our Nigerian passport, and we were asked to burn one, we will save our Nigerian passport. Most Nigerians will burn their Nigerian passports. It's a personal decision based on what the decision will bring us. Austria no near Nigeria when we talking football. So let's go back to the bigger nations in football. Most of them if asked to pick between Nigeria and the other country, Nigeria will be their second choice.
let's not try to group some and castigate them. Of course some will get lashed at based on their utterances.

Just today Tammy fell on England's trap again. Tomorrow IF he is forced to reconsider Nigeria, he will have to answer many questions from the Nigerian public. Even his "uncle" Pinnick may not be able to save him.

Icon79:
Bia, Big Joe, did somebody hack into your account? Did you really expect him to turn down Austria even when Nigeria wasn't making any moves? Yes, he was just 17 but opportunity and time wait for no one. Who's knows if that might be the only opportunity he might have?

Listen, the people we have issues with are those of them we turned down Nigeria because they want to wait for another country. As far as I know, Alaba never turned down Nigeria .... Austria came calling first and he grabbed the opportunity with both hands, as he should.



O pari
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:58pm On Nov 07, 2017
People are attracted to good systems and good organization.

Mujtahida:
They are four brothers not three: Francis(Andreas) Giannis, Thanasis and Alexis. Do you perchance know why none of them is interested in playing for Nigeria? Because nothing happens in vacuum.
Well, when the poster I referred to was asked by another poster how Giannis and his family felt towards Nigeria, suspecting that they must feel bitter towards Nigeria, the poster said No, the parents werent bitter but on the contrary they encouraged their children to play for Nigeria and that if he (the poster) was still involved with Nigerian basketball at the time he met them he would have convinced them to play for Nigeria but that by then Gianis was already in the Greek selection radar and that fastreacked him turning out for Greece.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:55pm On Nov 07, 2017
Well, let's not be sentimental so we can think clearly.
This is my suggestion on the matter.
Sometimes we look like beggars, just because we don't have a system of approaching.
What we need is a standard for invitation of those in diaspora.

Firstly we need a database. These players should be put in the database while still in their early teens. Relationship with the players and their parents should be maintained.

Secondly, these players, on a rotation basis should be invited to train with the big boys whenever we are camped in Europe. This would make the players have a relationship not only with the senior players but also the coaches handling the team.

Thirdly, we should send correspondence to these players at important dates, and provide option for them to indicate their availability for National assignments with Nigeria. They should be informed, the option is just for them to show interest, not a guarantee that they will be called up. This way we know from the onset those who are nursing an ambition to play for Nigeria, and those who remain interested.

With this process put in place, we will not need any middle man or any team to meet with these players for talks when we need them. We will make the job easier for our coaches. All they need do is look at the numbers and make the right approaches according to need.


TheGoodJoe:
I have no beef with that. I am against pleading and carrying flowers with tuxedo and a limousine for them to play for us. If the opportunity does not come and like the prodigal son, they remember they are Kings in their home. They are welcome to come home and fight to build Nigeria with their skills.

My problem is with the Undecided/Do not feel Nigerian crew. They can ring when they feel Nigerian. Not going to beg them to play for us.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:22pm On Nov 07, 2017
They were decided. The opportunity did not come, so they changed their decision. Let's call a spade a spade.

TheGoodJoe:
I am not and will never be against any one having feelings to represent another country. However, I only want those devoted and ready to play for us in the team. Not undecided. There was a time Ola Aina was not decided. Now he is. Same with Shola Ameobi.

When they are ready and show devotion, no doubt, they can come. Including Ibe. I am against convincing and luring. When the player is ready, he will know. You can hint, inform him but not go the extra length.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:15pm On Nov 07, 2017
Lol so who among Balogun, Ekong etc feel ONLY Nigerian?

TheGoodJoe:
Alaba is also Austrian. I think he was born and grew up there. So it is not easy turning down a call for them. I wish he waited. We would have certainly called him. By 2010 he was already a respected player.

He likes Nigeria. He feels Nigerian. It is just unfortunate he also feels Austrian. So we wish him well and hunt for those who wants us ahead of others.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:07pm On Nov 07, 2017
Patriotism is an illusion. Today he is giving more than 100% to Austria.
If he felt so Nigerian as you want to believe, why didn't he wait? He was just 17.

Modified
It was said it was told to him then that we were focussing on homegrown players for our cadet teams. That should have giving hope for Super Eagles in the future. If he was so patriotic about Nigeria as you guys want to believe, why didn't he act like Shola Ameobi?

And did Ameobi later play for Nigeria? Why did he not die waiting to be called up by England because of patriotism? In all, Nigeria will ALMOST always be a second choice if they are afforded the opportunity both ways.

TheGoodJoe:
Alaba holds the record as the youngest player to play for the Austrian National team at 17 years old. There is no way we could have approached him at that time to play for us.

I wish him the best because of his love for Nigeria. Austria knew him, he played in their league for the best club in Austria. Alaba is not one of the members of "I don't feel Nigerian crew." We would never have beaten Austria for him.
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 1:04pm On Nov 07, 2017
Victor Moses is injured

Edopesin:
My Eleven Against Algeria

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