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Humility017:
abeg leave me joor

you call that a question of integrity?.. you have no idea what it has to be in that situation.
To turn down a country that has given u all the support to grow for another country that has done nothing for you is actually betrayal. Let's see if from the other perspective for once. It's actually a thing of integrity for them to turn down Nigeria. Saying it as it really is.

safarigirl:
yes. Either Nigeria, or I would have chosen neither party

I have been in such a situation numerous times, and I will tell you now, I would rather choose neither party than choose one party at the detriment of the other.


I did something like that recently and till today, my relationship with some of the parties has waned because of my choice, but I don't feel bad for making that decision, I have a very strong conscience.

You will most likely doubt me, but I have more integrity than some of these diasporans obviously

E go happy before na.. after rising the ranks of the junior team, to cap it up with a senior team call up at age 20, is a big achievement. How would you feel...?
He also felt flattered by Nigerian interests haha

Mujtahida:
There, you have it, your much sought after quote. Oya say byeeee Tammy.

e don enter God matter?

Humility017:
wicked coach....
only God will judge you....

Thank you my brother!!

tbaba1234:
It is a dilemma for kids born abroad. They have 2 identities.

As much as possible, i want to raise my kids with a stronger Nigerian identity. If any of them play sports, i would love them to play for Nigeria rather than America but the Nigerian system makes things difficult. Otigba refused an invitation from Hungary in favor of Nigeria, he was never invited even when he was in a decent league. We preferred Egwuekwe who was not as good...

Look at Gloria Alozie who ditched Nigeria after winning athletics medals. We just frustrate people who genuinely have the passion to serve Nigeria.

There is nothing to defend there.. Abi na u wan make decision for am. Have u been in that situation before? Will u have chosen Nigeria over England in this circumstances?

safarigirl:
all this long story to defend Tammy, una just dey cry upandan ....e don do abeg.

Make we dey think who go fit replace Ighalo, that is our immediate problem, not Tammy

When all hope is lost, yes they will.. Na all about belief. We already went far with Iwobi. It was too late for England. no be bold step. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.

kingphilip:
and you think all the names they've been reeling out without a call up for a while too will have taken that bold step?

before.. if the chance no come, Nigeria.. who no like better thing?

solonnachi:
This Ejaria guy also wants England

Oviemuno Ejaria likes this:

Reality is when Tammy gets cap-tied.
Trust me, Amaju ignited the war by his utterances, and they went ahead of us. The English Press went in.
But I repeat, the reality is until Tammy kicks the ball for England in a competitive match, he remains available.
And we will remain a fall back option for MANY of these lads.

Good points you made though as regards football development..

goldfish80:
Well, the anchor point of my epistle is for the Nff to really dig deep and fashion out a way to harness and develop talents back home.
The little effort we have put out in the past like Principal cup, Greater tommorow and others have helped in no small measure to establish us as a force in African football.

Nff needs to establish atleast 5 world class soccer academies across the country. Something modelled after the Clairfontain football academy in France. If we can pull this off and also have a highly successful league which absorbs these players like they do have in Brazil then we will be cooking with gas!

I read pages he back where you constantly disbelieved every quote about Tammy declaring for Ingurland. Well, you have to embrace reality. Tammy ain't coming

The myth is that these players won't give in their 100% after they consider us -- a fall back option.
I know it's not nice, and we don't like to hear that. But it's the reality that we are a fall back option. Who no like better thing?
Nigerians we need to wake up. If England comes good at the senior level, I will be happy for them. We are talking of years and years of solid youth football development, and it's beginning to pay off for a country that also take other sports seriously. But we Nigerians, expect excellence without solid preparation and doing the right thing. We refuse to accept the reality in our everyday life. Go to any federal government establishment, you will see a bunch of unserious lazy people. They don't come to work early, and they leave for home early, but yet they expect to get paid. They also get kick backs just like their leaders. The average Nigerians expect kickbacks. It's now in our DNA. We reward failure and celebrate excellence. Now we are pushing for another work free day --Fridays-- in the name of religion.

For us we will keep waiting for the next golden generation. Oh yes we are a nation of over 200 million football fanatics. A golden generation will come. But we will have to wait every now and then.

exactly the point I tried to make earlier

Mujtahida:
When you guys talk about this team in comparison to our teams of the past I feel there's something very significant that you guys overlook. And it is this : Westerhof began the process of building that team in the early 90's and harvest time peaked from 94 up to 2002. Now as far as this current team is concerned do remember that we have been on a decline for close to a decade and only just beginning to pick up and climb. If things go smoothly, if there's stability we will probably have a very strong team by 2022.
Having said this I recognise the fact that our team especially from 94-2002 had more quality, more finesse and technically gifted players than our current team. I bet even the Brazilians will say so when they compare their past teams with this current star studded side.

Iwobi wasn't that strong-willed as we may want to believe. He was already on his way to the airport. He had already made up his mind after some efforts at convincing him. Aina never got a look in by England for awhile. He waited in vain for an England call up. It was a case of no hope for England for him.

kingphilip:
i feel it accelerated it too

but i still feel he might not be as strong-willed as Iwobi who resisted the overtures or as daring as Aina who came to the Super Eagles camp in London for Rohr to have a look in

if he hadn't made that appearance i'm sure we would not have gone hook line and sinker for him

England case na stunt.. The war is not won, but about to be won. Now Tammy has to DEMONSTRATE where his allegiance truly lies.
If Tammy had not played for England at the youth level, all Nigeria needed to do was to call him up officially, then it will be up to him to reject the call. This is the advantage England always had over us.
Did Southgate speak to Tammy after the Arsenal game? I doubt it. But Southgate didn't have to. He just needed to be official about it.

kingphilip:
i feel it accelerated it too

but i still feel he might not be as strong-willed as Iwobi who resisted the overtures or as daring as Aina who came to the Super Eagles camp in London for Rohr to have a look in

if he hadn't made that appearance i'm sure we would not have gone hook line and sinker for him

Although Oluwashina Okeleji's tweet was in line with my utterances on Tammy, I wasn't carried away.
Even when The Times reported that Tammy was in line for a call up, I wasn't convinced.

My position remains I want to see credible quotes first, before I run with any story. Still waiting for Tammy to get cap-tied first. But one thing is certain, Tammy has a bad PR in Nigeria.

All this your epistle. What was the priority of previous adminstration? How many years do we need to have a youth league? How many years do we need to have school games well sponsored and working? What does it take to sustain it? What we have is a national problem, and we can see it in all other sectors..
Naija na Naija..

goldfish80:
Don't we like living in denial in this country? For all the tea in China,Tammy was never going to play for us. After the English triumph at the WYC, Tammy was speaking talking up being part of the generation next for England.

Reaching out to him was the right thing to do but on the long run, investing in the talent at hope should be the priority of any FA. I have never heard about any homegrown talent who rejected Nigeria.

We are currently ranked just inside the FIFA top 40. The Nff should kick off a conciese programme which would see us crack the FIFA top 10 and remain there for a long time. If we can achieve this feat, the Super Eagles will be the beautiful bride and a very vaiable option for some food the best talents who weren't born in Nigeria.

We will continue to get the Tammy, Aogo, Owomeoyla, etc treatment till we get it right.

At the moment, Nigeria is like a man who walks into a Ferrari dealership, eyeing up a $200k FF. Only for the attendant to look up and see the man in question is putting on a sandwich paperbag instead of a shoe.

If these lads have a real opportunity with the other nation, we will always be a fall back option. Never forget that.

As a coach you have to start from somewhere. Rohr is not going to event Nigerians in top clubs over night. You work with the situation on ground.
Bonfrere benefited from what we've been building for 5 years with continuity. You know the situation leading to now.
I've been talking bout Qatar for no reason. Let's not expect magic in Russia. But for the efforts of Amuneke and Manu Garba in the recent past, and now Rohr. we will have a very strong side leading to Qatar.

komekn:
That's true but the reality is that quality and class are not defined by age.

Consider that the class of 96 were leading players for thier top level teams in top leagues. This is a standard just as has rightly been said not more than 2 in the current group would have made that team.

My conclusion give me group of old men that will win than a group of youngsters that will fail.

Exactly!
A war we should have won easily.

tbaba1234:
NFF dropped the ball on Tammy. They simply accelerated his english call-up. All the best to him.

I beg make una leave Tammy alone. Wetin he do?
Blame Pinnick for all the noise. Besides, England SEEMS to have won the war. Now I concede.

jotey:
so joebie mujtahida after all your rants and assurance bla bla bla. Tammy still chose England over us

he was under pressure indeed

very funny

haha.. dem dey give award according to the hosting country or the domicile of the sponsoring company?
My friend let's be realistic, I will prefer we win because we earned it, not because of politics.

Ghana will host the next Awards Gala

krattoss:
but seriously. .our top nff officials dey F*ck up oooo..how can you host something at ur backyard, still foreigners go come ur own backyard Rob u ...

I remember was it in 2013 AFPOTY. ..mikel was supposed to win considering the fact he won nation's cup and also was a Chelsea key player..yet yaya toure from nowhere grabbed the title... our glo was the sponsor..hosted in our backyard still they manoeuvres us ...if it is to embezzle money, they I'll come first..but to do some covert ops..they won't...

This year.aitoe a Nigerian oil company is sponsoring the award, we have some one in the position of pinnick. .then the hosting will be done in our own backyard. ..let me watch and see how they I'll come and clinch the title again ...

Atleast let's help our own..

Very insightful!
We are a sentimental nation. So things like this are always bound to happen.
It doesn't stop the coach from pressing for who he really wants.
Enyeama will be back in the team despite all the talk of forces against this and that. The coach knows that he alone gets the knocks if he fails.

Kog45:
It seems you don't understand Kayode issue.Let me tell you little i know about his situation with national team.

The sport administrators don't want outspoken ones in the team,this is what affected Jonathan Akpoborie chances in the Eagles,the same thing James Obiorah,to some extent Wilson Oruma,even Godwin Opara,look at Enyeama scenario,the NFF w make sure they block Enyeama recalled coz they don't want him.

Did you know Enyeama/Olishe feud was a script written by NFF and Olishe acted on it,telling Olishe if you want to succeed just get rid of certain players like Enyeama,Mikel, Emenike,benching Mikel for Onobi was a script,Emenike saw the handwriting on the wall he resigned, kudos to Mikel he didn't let it bother him he carry on with the team despite the humiliation.

Kayode Olarewaju issue with football administrators started when he came out publicly to indict Taiwo Ogunjobi in his transfer brouhaha when he was in cote d voire,this confession affected Ogunjobi career as a football administrator,till today he never forgive Kayode.

Since then Kayode has been under watch of NFF,they don't want to have anything to do with him,though Ogunjobi is no longer in NFF he still waxes influence as former sec Gen.

The last invitation Kayode got against South Africa was a forceful one and i can tell you Rohr you are accusing was the one that made it possible,if it's NFF he w never be considered.I can tell u if he get another it's Rohr.

The issue has nothing to do with tribe cos Kayode's problem is Chief Taiwo Ogunjobi who happened to be his kinsman not Rohr and as i said in one of my comments that Rohr just need to listen to some people cos thet are the forces who made it possible for him to be appointed as a coach,so don't be surprised if Ogunjobi was one of the people that made Rohr appointment as a coach of Super Eagles possible.

Clemens Westerhoff got Nigeria job through Chief SB Williams and he listened to the man,some players came to national team through Kojo Williams,

I remember Stephen Keshi got his first coaching appointment with Togo through Patrick Okpomo and when he got fired the same man make sure he got him Mali job,so these people are cabal,this is the problem in Africa,a lot are happening behind the scene,not only in football, look at Maina case and the presidency.

James Obiorah made 2002 WC when he openly said national team coaches are collecting money, it was international interview and this prompted Onigbinde to force NFF to invite him,NFF dont want Obiorah in the team.He came to camp and made the team.

Think of it highest goal scorer in Austria league and even the best player last season before moving to man city and loaned to Girona in LA liga, on a good day he supposed to be in national team but forces working against him are the same forces working against Enyeama recalled.

Truly it's corruption but i just want you to know that Kayode is not victimize for being from one tribe in Nigeria cos the man behind the whole show is from the same tribe with Kayode.

Sir you are right on that. I remember what Ola Aina told Mikel, when Mikel told him to come and play for Nigeria. hahah
Cultural differences.. But Naija na Naija. Abi u expect say we go change our culture overnight. This is more than just football

komekn:
I will tell you a true story without names. There was a Nigerian origin player playing in the premiership.

Yak,Yobo and Anichebe were going to camp in Abuja, I told him to follow all these guys and they will introduce him to the coach. Siasia at the time if I'm right He refused to go, saying you can't just do that, people get invited they do not demand, that's not right.

He was looking at things from a European perspective and how things are done.

Barely two years later he was invited to to camp and played some games for Nigeria.

Rohr can not do everything there will be NFF officials doing thier own to ensure things go the way they want. The NFF has not changed they can even tell lies about players if they feel it will work in thier own interest or in the interest of the players they want to push.

You need to understand they decorum and cultural in which things are done properly. It's impossible for them to contact Rohr without link up. Or shall I tell them to register thier interest on nairaland with a placard saying, Naija I love thee

At least we have more credibility now as regards the true ages of the players.

Icon4s:
What we have above is close to what we have presently in terms of age. As over 70% of the current crop are 23 or less. And they are also established super Eagles players. Yet none would have made that 96 team starting line up. Maybe 1 or 2 would make the squad at most.

Good you made reference to Siasia's 2008 Olympics team. Trace that team back to his 2005 U20 team which was the bedrock of the 2008 Olympics team. That 2005 U20 also had class and quality. I remember repeatedly mentioning that the Siasia's 2005 Flying Eagles were better than the Manu's 2015 Flying Eagles. I got attacked for it but I still maintain my view on that.

We have to accept the fact. we hype our current team too much.

This team has achieved a lot in this qualifiers no doubt but they still have a long way to go.

lol.. we talking about youth system now oga.. we can go as far back as we want. Those that turned out for Naija, how many really came good?
I'm just trying to learn from you.

komekn:
How far back do you want to go and what do you mean by England bred

In a sense Yobo is an England bred player, the first club in his entire career that he started playing a defensive role was with Everton who then transformed him into a CB.

oh really? I see.. Thanks for that!

junnyjake:
I'm thinking is because of the links.

Ever since I stopped posting links, I've never been banned.

2017 The Year of English football.
Alli 2-0 Madrid
Now 3-0

That's just a wishing-him-well remark.
It's good that he is getting playing time and performing.
Career still on track

joseph1013:
There is no sure bet for Qatar. Not even Kelechi.

Or who would have thought in 2014 that a fit Omeruo would be a major doubt for Russia 2018?

Yahaya should get out of that Porto B first of all. He's stayed too long there. His quality should have since shone through.

Was that not the full team from 2014? Which one be first 11 na? Can you even pick a first 11 from that list made up of players that play for top sides?

Mickael2:
Ok please show us the first eleven. Haba these guys are just bench warmers, the main guys are the ones that came from top teams, they played. Mainz was in the Europa league in 2013/2014, Navas was one of the best GK's in the league that year. Olympiakos made it out of their group that year.

Hahaha War between Nigeria and English Press.

Even TheTimes's report didn't have substance. Dem too dey fear

Humility017:
probably the Reason for the random news all over the English press reporting....Tammy ditch Nigeria for England...


Southgate To Tammy Abraham – Forget Nigeria, Assures Him Of England Chance


Coach of the senior national team of England Gareth Southgate has successfully convinced Tammy Abraham to banish the idea of representing Nigeria..
The online edition of British media outfit Times monitored by Owngoalnigeria.com Michael James has it that the coach had a meeting with 20 year old shortly after watching him in action for Swansea City in their 1-2 loss to Arsenal at the Emirates.
According to Times, Southgate assured the 20 year old that he could gatecrash his World Cup squad for England, even if he doesn’t make the next squad of England which will be released on Thursday.
Although there are other strikers ahead of Abraham in the pecking order of forwards available to coach Southgate, he however assured Abraham that one or two striking slots are up for grabs.
Daniel Sturridge and Danny Welbeck’s poor injury record as well as Jermain Defoe who is close to 36 years old could play in his favour when Southgate releases his squad for the World Cup.

The assurances made the forward who 13 caps for England at Under-21 level and four Premier League goals from nine starts to shelve plans of switching allegiance to Nigeria despite holding talks with the President of the Nigeria Football Federation ( NFF) Amaju Pinnick.
Share this: November 1, 2017

source: owngoalnigeria

But not playing in Nigeria. His point is still valid

isan:
Junior is on the list he's a nigerian

good job tbaba.. i just got done with the supermods and they got me back on.. So i'm back!

tbaba1234:
Sarenren Bazee starts team training...