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Celebrities › Re: “Never Respect The Dead,” Kemi Olunloyo Tells Nigerians by Jonra(m): 3:23pm On Jan 10, 2019

This Woman needs all the help she can get. No jokes!

Psychological
Emotional
Physical
Spiritual

As long as there's breathe in her, she can be made whole again. Please remember her in your prayers. Love her as you love yourself!

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Celebrities › Re: DJ XGee Seun Omogaji Commits Suicide After Leaving Note On Instagram by Jonra(m): 3:15pm On Jan 04, 2019

pythonkid:
How can I talk to you bro or any reference to any psychologist or smthing ?

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 7:13am On Jan 04, 2019

Great moniker... Easy on the tongue

You also doubt the divinity of the Bible. Iss ok

Let's begin with the foundation of how 'Jesus is God'. It'll guide every other discourse we'll have.

Alennsar... grin

Alennsar:
and where is the Injil or Injilah? the book that was given to Jesus the son of Mary, servant of the most high God.

and please don't mention the Bible because Wikipedia is your friend.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 7:04am On Jan 04, 2019

I understand your unwillingness to probe the pillars of your existence. No answer whatsoever to the Islamic dilemma?

Abbeyrazaq20:
....
smiles... your comment has shown that you are really confused buddy. all what you have quoted from Quran about bible is enough for you to know that ISLAM is truly a true religion.

About the man seeking advice, May Allah heal you. there's something people do get wrong about ALLAH. And it goes thus :
If you worship ALLAH, it's for your own good and if you don't it is your own palava.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 6:56am On Jan 04, 2019

Nice. I like you already!

There's a lot for me to learn from our conversation. For one, I never knew that you regard Muhammad as the promised comforter whom Jesus Christ explicitly called 'Spirit of God' and who will glorify Jesus (John 16: 13-15). Muhammad is as far from Jesus as far can be.

I also noticed that you don't believe the trinitarian idea. I hope after when we're done talking about this, you'll begin to see the connection. Even if you haven't voiced it, one of your fundamental question is where did Jesus say, 'I am God, Worship me'?

Answering this question will strengthen my previous arguments and the divinity of the Bible.

And I pray you'll end up like my Lebanese brother Pastor Muhammed Yamout who's now proclaiming the gospel in Lebanon.

PS: Your hermeneutic gymnastics to inject Ahmad into scripture did not start with you. Even your scholars failed at it.

Friend01:
I must say this should be about the most lengthy reply I have read for a very long time here on Nairaland.

Inshaa'a Allāh (God willing) I will give answers to every seeming contradiction you brought from the Qur'ān.
But before we go into that. We need to make some ground rules so that we don't end up mistaking foul for fish and fish for foul.

We believe as Muslims in all the prophets mentioned in the Torah(revealed to prophet Moses, peace be upon him) and as well as Gospel(revealed to Jesus Christ, peace be upon him) .In fact, we believe all the revelations sent down to previous prophets of the Jewish origin down to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Almighty Allah be upon him) this we believe without any contradiction or support from outside .

Now let's delve into the contradictions you brought.

1. The Surah (in English it, means chapter) you brought - 29:49 it simply stated the obvious about what I just elucidated above.
We(muslims) believe in the revelation given to Jesus Christ which is the injeel that is, Gospel but we do not believe the Bible completely to be the word of God.
Why? It is because the Bible itself is not a revelation but a compilation of books of different accounts.
Even bible scholars will tell you that the words Jesus spoke in the NT can only fill up two and half pages of a news paper and the rest are reports of eyewitnesses of his disciples,accounts of historians and the epistles of Paul.
I would have expanded on the gospels according to John, Mathew and the rest to see if there were really written or even 'inspired' by the God through the Holy Ghost as christains believe .
Well, that's a different subject matter entirely let's not it distract us from the bone of contention.

The four points you brought to contradict the yourself (not the Qur'ān ) can easily be answered in the following biblical verses.

OT reads in Deuteronomy 6:4-5:
"Hear O Isreal:The Lord our God is one Lord. "

Isaiah reads:
"...I am the first, and I am the last and besides Me there is no God.

NT reads in 1st Corinthians 17:20
"O Lord, there is none like You, neither is there any God beside you, according to all we have heard with our ears "

Paul even writes in 1st Timothy 2:5:

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the MAN (not God oh, but MAN) Christ Jesus. "

I can go on and on just reeling out one verse aftwr another from your bible to show how shallow and feeble your arguments are.

2.Like I said in my first point, we believe in the gospel revealed to Jesus not the Bible as a whole.
Please, do not mistake the phrase "as a whole" to mean the whole. There are not the same.
Some parts of the bible are clearly affirmed in our Qur'ān which is consistent with the unchanging word of God we you talked about. I hope this is clear now.

The verse of 18:27 you also cites is clearly addressed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) about the preservation of the Qur'aan not the Bible.

It clearly states... "the book that have been revealed to you " which book? We may curiously askf which book? is it the Bible?
No. It is the Qur'ān sent to You; that is,Muhammad (peace be upon him)
The book is the Qur'ān, not another other book.

You also insisted that it was not the Qur'ān despite you knew what we would say. Here are your words:
"Now, some Muslims would say that this verse only refers to the Qur'an. But the verse clearly says 'NONE CAN CHANGE ALLAH'S WORDS', which includes the Torah and the Gospel according to the same Qur'an."

You can't be reading a verse in segments.
Even if the words of Allaah don't change it was not referring to any other revelation here specifically. It was clearly referring to the Qur'ān not the Torah or the Injeel(the Gospel) like you claimed.

We Muslims agree the words of Allah don't change.
Like He, almighty God has said in several places in the Qur'ān.
He only complements what He has sent before with another revelation giving a fuller meaning to the previous revelation.
A good example of this is the gospel of Jesus (not the Bible as a whole,so you don't mistake it ) came to give a fuller meaning to the Torah (revealed to Moses, peace be upon you) like he said in Mathew 5:17-19 .

4.The Surah 7:157 is not talking about the Bible.
Stop calling the Bible the gospel(see my earlier explanation on this point).

The Qur'ān is simply referring to the original message of Jesus which he prophesied about the comforter to come in John 14:26 and particularly in John 16:7
I know you might disagree that the comforter is the Holy Ghost, but the Holy Ghost was already there before Jesus was even born. He was with Elizabeth and Mary and it even came like a dove upon Jesus's shoulder during his baptism.

So, your argument on that is flawed.

From the four questions you asked concerning the prophesy of Muhammad in your scripture of accepting a 'corrupt' scripture to support our claim can be answered in two ways:

1.The bible as a whole is not the gospel,but it does not mean we can't find relevant passages that are consistent with the unchanging word of God like I cited earlier in the beginning of this reply .If you read Deuteronomy 18-19 of the OT ;and John 14:27 and John 16:7 NT you will get what I am saying.

2. When we say the previous books(most of gospels in the bible of the OT and NT )were corrupted :it means there were interpolations which are not consistent with the truth(In the Psalms of David, Torah of Moses and the Qur'ān ) that conciliates with what came before.

For instance, like the Trinitarian idea and Jesus becoming God are in total contradiction to what all prophets in the OT called to and believed in which is, the belief in One true God.

The Surah 5:7 is clear and explicit enough to those who can see what the Qur'aan calls to.
You were suppose to judge with the revelation which are in the Torah and gospels that are consistent with what the Qur'aan exhorts to:

Is it not in your Bible that Jesus (peace be upon him) tells you that he came to fulfill the laws of the previous prophets by worshipping God alone like he did in the garden of Gethesamne during the last hour and how he also taught his disciples the Lord's Prayer).

Is it not in your Bible that a comforter (that is Prophet Muhammad ,peace be upon him) will come?

Is it not in your Bible that Jesus prohibited worshipping of others than God?

Is it not in your Bible that Jesus prohibited adultery and fornication?

There are many more of such verses that you are not judging by in your book(though corrupted verses are abound there in)

Surah 10:94 is again, simply talking about prophesies of the Prophet Muhammad in your book not asking you Christians or Jews about guidance or how to worship.

The matter is very clear. if it wasn't so, why would God reveal to him to call you to accept him as a prophet since according to you he was asked to seek guidance from the Christians.
Does it make any sense?

And my final answer would be, the Bible is not one of the revelations we believe and neither is it a book Jesus Christ spoke about. It is a compilation NOT a revelation.
The Qur'ān stands on it own as a revelation from God has it affirms for itself with this verse from Surah Yunus(chapter Jonah) 10:37:

"And it was not [possible] for this Qur’an to be produced by other than Allah, but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds."

I want you to produce just one single verse from your big bible(s) where the word "bible" can be found claiming to be a revelation from God.
Just one oh.

Celebrities › Re: DJ XGee Seun Omogaji Commits Suicide After Leaving Note On Instagram by Jonra(m): 6:15am On Jan 04, 2019

DM your number. Thanks

pythonkid:
How can I talk to you bro or any reference to any psychologist or smthing ?

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 5:54am On Jan 04, 2019

Thank you. I'll respond to all the points raised, and I hope you'll be open minded enough to accept truth at the end of it all.

Though how any of these your points contradict the central tenet of Christianity is difficult to spot. At the minimum, there's no unresolvable dilemma as in Islam.

Nasr Abu Zayd, Abdolkarish Soroush, Abdel Razik, Mahmoud Muhammad Taha and many Islamic thinkers have all tried to make fundamental reforms to Islam but failed because Islamic clerics fear that allowing critical thought will lead many to leave Islam.

Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, a staunch Medina Muslim and a prominent leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, has said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment Islam would not exist today. Islam would have ended with the death of the Prophet, peace be upon him. Opposing apostasy is what kept Islam to this day.”

Before we carry on, I need to know if you have the capacity to question your religion?

Friend01:
And If you think I am through you are mistaking.

I want you to disprove the following contradictions. in your Bible before you stand in judgement over other people's book.

1

Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. —2 Kings 24:8

Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem… —2 Chronicles 36:9

Is it eighteen years old or eight years old?
I know I don't have the Holy ghost and I am carnal minded like you would say .
But, e joor,Ma Bi nuu, please, tell your Holy Ghost to give us the answer since this great book was 'inspired ' by God through him.

2

Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy…and they shall be your possession…they shall be your bondmen forever. —Leviticus 25:45-46

Undo the heavy burdens…let the oppressed go free,…break every yoke. —Isaiah 58:6

Bondsmen forever or go free?

3

For I am the Lord; I change not. —Malachi 3:6

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. —Exodus 32:14

An unchanging Lord or one that repents?
4

For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. —Exodus 20:5

The Lord is good to all. —Psalms 145:9

Is Lord the one the visits iniquity upon some children or good to all?

5

No man hath seen God at any time. —John 1:18

For I have seen God face to face. —Genesis 32:30

Seen or not seen?
6.

For every man shall bear his own burden. —Galatians 6:2

Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. —Galatians 6:2

Who bears the burden :everyone or you can share the burden?
7.

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. —Romans 3:23

There was a man…who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. —Job 1:1

Is it all or one or none?
8.

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. —II Chronicles 22:2

Even Hollywood can't produce this!
22 years old or 42 years?
Please, tell us.

9.

Submit yourself to every ordinance of man…to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors. —I Peter 2:13

We ought to obey God rather than men. —Acts 5:29

Please, just answer.

10.

And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. —Mark 16:2

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. —John 20:1

Is it they or Mary?
or the Holy Ghost forgot to tell John what he told Mark?

11.

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.—Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-16

Is it the third or another added three hours(six hours).
Tell us.

12.

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned… —Romans 5:12

Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death. —John 8:51

Just answer!?

Please ,you. should be able to tell me If these verses have being expunged or revised(like yriu always do) revising the word of God without permission -since you agree the word of God does not change.

For your information :Qur'ān is the ONLY book on the face of the planet that has not undergone any revision, interpolation, concoction, aberration, destruction, confusion or even abrogation since it was revealed;even Sir William Murray a staunch Qur'ān critic had to unwillingly accept this.

Oga, the floor is yours.

I won't tell you shalom or salaam.
You have to finish what you started.

Celebrities › Re: DJ XGee Seun Omogaji Commits Suicide After Leaving Note On Instagram by Jonra(m): 8:34pm On Jan 02, 2019

Talk to me... Maybe I can help you. Life isn't meaningless if that's your worry. There's a purpose to the chaos of the human condition. Don't die in silence. Talk to me!

pythonkid:
I'm just very depressed here but everyone around me seems to b happy, they don't really care bout me, God pls see me tru this hard times!! Need some balls 2 end this once and for all. The pain is just too much to bear.

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Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 3:43pm On Jan 02, 2019

Hello my Muslim Friend,

In Surah 29:46, the Qur'an says "We believe in what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to you. Our God and your God is one, and to him we submit"

But many Muslims do not believe in the gospel, saying it's been corrupted and that the Christian God is false.

If the Qur'an affirms it, why do Muslims still deny it? Several reasons are given below.

According to the Bible;

1. God is a trinity (one in nature or essence, but three in person) (Matthew 28:18-20)
2. The son entered creation as Jesus (John 1:1-14)
3. Jesus died on the cross for sins (Mark 10:32-34, 45)
4. Jesus rose from the dead (Luke 24)

And so, there's a serious problem with denying all four claims (made in the gospel) and affirming that the - the Torah, the Gospel were revealed by Allah as the Qur'an does in Surah 3:3-4

"He has revealed to you the book with truth, verifying that which is before it. And he revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an"

Therefore, any Islamic claim that the gospel is corrupted is in fact a statement that the guidance which Allah sent couldn't be protected and it ended up misguiding people.

Which creates another problem, because the Qur'an says in Surah 18:27 that no one can change the word of God.

"And recite what has been revealed to you of the book of your lord. There is none who can change his words. And you shall not find any refuge besides him"

Now, some Muslims would say that this verse only refers to the Qur'an. But the verse clearly says 'NONE CAN CHANGE ALLAH'S WORDS', which includes the Torah and the Gospel according to the same Qur'an.

Despite Allah's declaration that no one can change his words, many Muslims still say that the Bible was corrupted by Apostle Paul or by some later Christians. But if the gospel was corrupted, one begins to wonder why the Qur'an says
that Christians still had the gospel during the time of Muhammad? See Surah 7:157

"Those who follow the messenger. The unlettered prophet whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) - in the Torah, and the Gospel - it is they who will prosper"

And so more questions arise:

1. How can Christians find Muhammad mentioned in the scriptures when it was supposedly corrupted centuries earlier?

2. Allah says we'll find Muhammad mentioned in our corrupted scriptures - but we don't find him at all. Except as part of a general warning about false prophets who come to lead people away from Christ.

3. And if we did, how would we know this is not one of the corrupted parts?

4. And since our scripture contradicts Islam, why would Allah appeal to them as evidence of Islam? (As in Surah 7:157)

To compound the issue, Allah goes further to command Christians to judge by the Gospel in Surah 5:47

"Let the people of the for Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are no better than those who rebel"

Why does Allah command Muslims to judge by a corrupt book?

Clearly, Olobedience to this injunction means to judge by the gospel which leads to the conclusion that Islam is false.

Allah continues along the lines of Surah 5:47 in Surah 5:68 with the declaration

Say:"O people of the book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelations that has come to you from your lord."

And yet again more questions arise,

1. Why would Allah tell us we have no ground to stand upon unless we stand upon a corrupt book?

2. If the gospel has been corrupted, wouldn't Allah just tell us to get rid of it and pick up the Qur'an?

Without doubt, the Qur'an clearly maintains that the gospel is authoritative for Christians; which only makes sense if the author of the Qur'an believed that Christians have the word of God.

But the Gospel wasn't just authoritative for Christians, it was authoritative for Muhammad and therefore Muslims.

When Muhammad had doubts about his revelations, Allah commanded him to go to the people of the book (Jews and Christians). - Surah 10:94

"But if you (o Muhammad) are in doubt as to what we have revealed to you, ask those who read the book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your lord. Therefore you shouldn't be of the disputers"

Many Muslims today act as if the Qur'an stands in judgement over the Bible but this is far from the truth. It is in fact the Bible which stands in judgement over the Qur'an. Muhammad himself could only confirm his revelations by checking to see if they line up with the scriptures of the people of the book.

But you see, Muhammad continued preaching Islam. He apparently never took the test (Surah 10:94) very seriously. If he had gone to the people of the book in search of confirmation, he would have been forced to reject the Qur'an, because the Qur'an puts Muslims in an inescapable dilemma.

EITHER CHRISTIANS HAVE THE INSPIRED, PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD OR THEY DON'T?

ONLY 2 POSSIBILITIES

1. IF WE DO HAVE THE INSPIRED PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD, ISLAM IS FALSE BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS WHAT WE HAVE.

2. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INSPIRED PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD, ISLAM IS FALSE BECAUSE THE QUR'AN AFFIRMS THE INSPIRATION, PRESERVATION AND AUTHORITY OF THE GOSPEL.

Either way my Muslim friend, the Qur'an self-destructs by its affirmation of scriptures that contradicts its core teachings.

Finally, if you don't want to live with all the contradictions, let us obey the gospel of Christ Jesus as both books command.

Shalom!

Lihyunpark:
and what do you mean by the contractions?

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 3:31pm On Jan 02, 2019

But with contractions!

Lihyunpark:
You might be a practicing muslim but still doesnt understand Islam. Nobody who truely understand what Islam truely means and teaches leaves... It's too beautiful.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 3:29pm On Jan 02, 2019

Rest easy Sis.

I've listed all the contradictions on the 9th page of this thread.

Let's hope someone sees the truth and accepts it with an open heart.

Ezilytina:
Bro, did you say there are no contradictions in Quran? You are indirectly mocking yourself!
Why do you see the truth and choose to hide it because of your hatred for Christianity?

If there are no contradictions in Muslim,
why do you have a divided religion (those that believe that Muslim is a religion of war and the other believing that it is of peace) ?
Why do we have Boko-haram today?
Are they not Muslims?
Are they not practicing what your Mohammed clearly stated in your Quran and yet some people are still insisting that it is a religion of peace.

Even if I should state hundreds of contradictions in Quran, you will still not leave because going by all your post on this thread I can see that you are the type that can never accept the truth.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 3:26pm On Jan 02, 2019

Now I'm wondering 'what is your philosophy of life?'

jetz:
more like 7.3billion doing wrong to me

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 3:23pm On Jan 02, 2019

Here's an honest answer to your proud boasting.

Hello my Muslim Friend,

In Surah 29:46, the Qur'an says "We believe in what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to you. Our God and your God is one, and to him we submit"

But many Muslims do not believe in the gospel, saying it's been corrupted and that the Christian God is false.

If the Qur'an affirms it, why do Muslims still deny it? Several reasons are given below.

According to the Bible;

1. God is a trinity (one in nature or essence, but three in person) (Matthew 28:18-20)
2. The son entered creation as Jesus (John 1:1-14)
3. Jesus died on the cross for sins (Mark 10:32-34, 45)
4. Jesus rose from the dead (Luke 24)

However, there's a serious problem with denying all four claims (made in the gospel) and affirming that the - the Torah, the Gospel were revealed by Allah as the Qur'an does in Surah 3:3-4

"He has revealed to you the book with truth, verifying that which is before it. And he revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qur'an"

Therefore, any Islamic claim that the gospel is corrupted is in fact a statement that the guidance which Allah sent couldn't be protected and it ended up misguiding people.

Which creates another problem, because the Qur'an says in Surah 18:27 that no one can change the word of God.

"And recite what has been revealed to you of the book of your lord. There is none who can change his words. And you shall not find any refuge besides him"

Now, some Muslims would say that this verse only refers to the Qur'an. But the verse clearly says 'NONE CAN CHANGE ALLAH'S WORDS', which includes the Torah and the Gospel according to the same Qur'an.

Despite Allah's declaration that no one can change his words, many Muslims still say that the Bible was corrupted by Apostle Paul or by some later Christians. But if the gospel was corrupted, one begins to wonder why the Qur'an says that Christians still had the gospel during the time of Muhammad? See Surah 7:157

"Those who follow the messenger. The unlettered prophet whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) - in the Torah, and the Gospel - it is they who will prosper"

And so more questions arise:

1. How can Christians find Muhammad mentioned in the scriptures when it was supposedly corrupted centuries earlier?

2. Allah says we'll find Muhammad mentioned in our corrupted scriptures - but we don't find him at all. Except as part of a general warning about false prophets who come to lead people away from Christ.

3. And if we did, how would we know this is not one of the corrupted parts?

4. And since our scripture contradicts Islam, why would Allah appeal to them as evidence of Islam? (As in Surah 7:157)

To compound the issue, Allah goes further to command Christians to judge by the Gospel in Surah 5:47

"Let the people of the for Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah has revealed, they are no better than those who rebel"

Why does Allah command Muslims to judge by a corrupt book?

Clearly, Olobedience to this injunction leads to judgement by the gospel which leads to the conclusion that Islam is false.

Allah continues along the lines of Surah 5:47 in Surah 5:68 with the declaration

Say:"O people of the book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelations that has come to you from your lord."

And yet again more questions arise,

1. Why would Allah tell us we have no ground to stand upon unless we stand upon a corrupt book?

2. If the gospel has been corrupted, wouldn't Allah just tell us to get rid of it and pick up the Qur'an?

Without doubt, the Qur'an clearly maintains that the gospel is authoritative for Christians; which only makes sense if the author of the Qur'an believed that Christians have the word of God.

But the Gospel wasn't just authoritative for Christians, it was authoritative for Muhammad and therefore Muslims.

When Muhammad had doubts about his revelations, Allah commanded him to go to the people of the book (Jews and Christians). - Surah 10:94

"But if you (o Muhammad) are in doubt as to what we have revealed to you, ask those who read the book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your lord. Therefore you shouldn't be of the disputers"

Many Muslims today act as if the Qur'an stands in judgement over the Bible but this is far from the truth. It is in fact the Bible which stands in judgement over the Qur'an. Muhammad himself could only confirm his revelations by checking to see if they line up with the scriptures of the people of the book.

But you see, Muhammad continued preaching Islam. He apparently never took the test (Surah 10:94) very seriously. If he had gone to the people of the book in search of confirmation, he would have been forced to reject the Qur'an, because the Qur'an puts Muslims in an inescapable dilemma.

EITHER CHRISTIANS HAVE THE INSPIRED, PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD OR THEY DON'T?

ONLY 2 POSSIBILITIES

1. IF WE DO HAVE THE INSPIRED PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD, ISLAM IS FALSE BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS WHAT WE HAVE.

2. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INSPIRED PRESERVED AND AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD, ISLAM IS FALSE BECAUSE THE QUR'AN AFFIRMS THE INSPIRATION, PRESERVATION AND AUTHORITY OF THE GOSPEL.

Either way my Muslim friend, the Qur'an self-destructs by its affirmation of scriptures that contradicts its core teachings.

Finally, if you don't want to live with all the contradictions, let us obey the gospel of Christ Jesus as both books command.

Shalom!

Friend01:
Contradiction in Christianity is well documented, but in Islām? It has being a challenge the Qur'ān has thrown at those who are willing to take up this challenge.
Just show us one contradiction in the Qur'ān to disprove Islām and I will stop being a Muslim.
We have being waiting for over a millennia and over four centuries yet, not even one man has being able to do that.
You can try if you wish.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 11:11am On Jan 02, 2019

jetz:
and truth is all about perspective if you fall on the opposite side you get heavily criticized by the opposite side still considering Nigeria is a society that kills belief faster than malaria

50 million people doing the wrong thing won't make it right. Granted, some truths are relative. But we can both agree that all 26 articles of the UN charter is absolute and binding on all nations of the world.

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 1:06pm On Jan 01, 2019

Faith is superior to reason but not counter to it.

Why is leaving Islam the worst mistake he can make?

tallfish145:
leaving Islam is the worst mistake you can ever make. Be steadfast in your religion and stay with your family.May Allah subhana watahala guide you

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:47pm On Jan 01, 2019

It's all good... ambivalence is a part of postmodern life.

Whatever it is, don't be overwhelmed.

Life is actually simple!

Happy New Year

MrsMusty:
Tnk u very much for this answer. Nothing really explains it all. it's too great to be explained!

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Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:38pm On Jan 01, 2019

Learn to think and seek truth. Every individual has the capacity to seek truth and know it! (Whether absolute or relative)

Don't push your responsibility to God.

jetz:
Religion been dividing nigerian since 1914...honestly only God knows the truth cos religion has caused more harm than good

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Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:33pm On Jan 01, 2019

Please explore the subject of comparative religions to get rid of this religious ambivalence.

jesmond3945:
In addition I want to ask adherents of both faith, what if you go to heaven and discover that the other religion was the preferred religion and not yours?

Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:23pm On Jan 01, 2019

Don't be deceived. You're looking for answers aren't you?

A worldview!?

Please note that completeness of any answer out there must fulfill questions about our Origins, the Meaning of Life, Morality and Life after death (Destiny).

Happy hunting!

mainanalyst:
Lol, like one must serve God by fire by force. And the same God told them to use their brain and ask questions, now I have used my brain and become a freethinker.

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Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:19pm On Jan 01, 2019

As if moral reasoning wasn't grown in the the rich soil of Christendom (Go see the American constitution). Modernism and postmodernism have upended Christian moral virtues in the west but the chaos of the world is proving which is ultimately better. No wonder Nietzsche proclaimed 'god is dead' in his seminal work.

If you believe God did not create the world, then you should also believe that an explosion at a printing press can produce a full unabridged dictionary?

Which is more ridiculous?

PS: Your choice is not intellectual. More than anything, it is moral, but I tell you today. Hear this ---

"Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"-- John 1:12

mainanalyst:
Yes, there are kids.
Try to know Jesus ? By reading the book of talking snakes ? Truth is , if most of you take your time to read the contradictions in the holy books of Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christian, Judaism) , you will get to realise that they are just fairy tales.
That's why most developed countries have removed religious subjects from their curriculum and changed with it subjects on morality.

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Family › Re: My Wife Is Not Comfortable With My Religious Views by Jonra(m): 12:04pm On Jan 01, 2019

Why highlight the worst aspect of Nigerian Pentecostalism and call it 'Christianity'. What contradiction is worse than a belief in evil while being a skeptic or atheist?

What contradictions puzzle you in Christianity?

Time2Smile:
And what has the bold got to do with anything. Didn't you read where he said they are Muslims.? If he is struggling with accepting God existence despite his Islamic background, is it Christianity with its many contradictions, lack of genuine spirituality and excessive focus on worldly material wealth that will provide him clarity?

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Family › Re: My Conscience Is Hitting Me Because I Took The Money by Jonra(m): 2:18pm On Dec 26, 2018

Thank God you have a living conscience.

But where's the sense in believing that you're promised tomorrow?

How's this any different from the evil of armed robbery?

Don't take life for granted. Return the money now!!!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christmas: When The Son Of Man Returns, Shall He Still Find Faith On Earth? by Jonra(m): 5:36pm On Dec 23, 2018

highcollide:
Only brainwashed people wait for Christ to return.

Half-truths are dangerous.

It is recorded in Acts 1:11

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Get In Here And Answer This Question by Jonra(m): 9:57pm On Dec 04, 2018

KingSango:
Liar. You're not free. The woman is sacred.

Between unarmed truth and unconditional love. I choose the latter.

By the way, I wonder how you resolve the guilt of what you ought to do and what you really do. Or who people think you are and who you really are in your heart?

Is there such a thing as sin in your worldview?

I want a civil discourse. How does your religion answer questions about origin, meaning, morality and destiny?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Get In Here And Answer This Question by Jonra(m): 10:02pm On Dec 03, 2018

I can only pray for you. It's the least I can do KingSango

Someday, hopefully soon, the truth will set you free.

In Jesus name, Amen!

KingSango:
Mere words, sweet as if to seduce women. There's more truth in that than you know. There has never been a human being walk the Earth by the name of Jesus Christ so he isn't coming back he hasn't left.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Get In Here And Answer This Question by Jonra(m): 1:56pm On Dec 03, 2018

KingSango:
Greetings, Cheif

The Jesus Christ Matrix given to slaves to subdue them with false hope of a savior coming to end the oppression of Rome.

Christianity is God working in us, working through us, working with us to bring about His eternal plan. Not a carved God who can't speak. No!

He's eternal. He was, He is and He is to come.

What hope is their in your god after this earthly sojourn?

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians Get In Here And Answer This Question by Jonra(m): 11:32pm On Dec 02, 2018

@Chief and all who are searching for truth, I’ll like to tell you about the three intimacies of love. How God speaks, How God is seen and How He touches us.

I’ll begin with the first of the three intimacies of human love – Speech or hearing

We would never know that anyone loved us unless they told us. Speech is the summation of a soul, all that it has been, all that it is, and all that it will ever be
So if there was to be any love communicated between God and man, God has to speak and we have to hear, otherwise we would never know that he loved us.

When did He speak?

Turn over the pages of the Old Testament - this is the speech of God:

There you read such words as "I will be to you a shepherd and you will be my sheep and those that are with young I will carry" – Ezekiel 34

"If your sins are as scarlet, they shall be made white as snow, and if they are as red as crimson, they shall be made white as wool" – Isaiah 1:18

And then not only in the Old Testament but I think every pagan people in the face of the earth heard in some way the speech of God

Buddha, Confucius, and Plato - all in some little way communicated some feebler intimacy with the divine.

Like the Greek dramatist Sophocles (406 B.C.) who yearned for a redeemer - "Look not for any end, he said moreover to this curse, until some God appears to accept upon his head the pains of thy own sins vicarious"

And finally there did come a time when men heard God in a strange way.

One night there rang out against the stillness of an evening breeze, a cry, a gentle cry.

The sea did not hear the cry, for the sea was filled with its own voice. The great ones of the earth did not hear the cry for they could not understand how a child can be greater than a man.

Two classes of people heard the cry: Shepherds and Wise men. Shepherds, those who know they know nothing. And wise men, those who know they do not know everything.
And they came in response to the cry of a babe.
And that babe grew in age and grace and wisdom and men heard God speaking.

God walks among us, and once He spoke, pleading for our trust in divinity, He said "Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is today in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?” – Luke 12:27 – 28

But I suppose that there was no time when men heard the voice of God when there was a more staggering utterance than the day when someone said:

"Though art not fifty years old, and you have seen Abraham!" and He answered with a casualness with which a man might look over his shoulder.
"Before Abraham began to be, I am". (John 8: 48 – 59)

It was Sinai all over, it was the voice of God on earth.

...But is that enough?

Is any human lover simply satisfied when he hears the voice of the beloved?
Some voices please, others do not. And even when voices please, they can be unsatisfying!

So there ought to be some other intimacy of love besides hearing, and that is vision.

We want to see the flash of an eye. We want to see the words of love borne on human lips. Human love demands this and rightly so; it craves presence.

And that is why if God was ever to satisfy all the aspirations of man, he had to come to this earth and he had to make himself visible.

And the only way that he could make himself visible was by taking a human body, and in that human body divinity would dwell. Then we would see God, well in human form. And this human body would be an instrument of his divinity not a separable instrument like the ink and the tube it nestles in.

If God was to be loved, He had to be seen and He became Emmanuel – "God with us"

But there's one more intimacy - an intimacy that is so delicate, so intimate and personal that it is given to but a few.
The greatest insult that anyone can give us who knows us not is to make us of it. And that is the intimacy of touch!

Touch is sympathy, touch is personal communion, touch is the utmost in kindness, and touch is healing.

And if therefore, God came to this earth, spoke and was seen and if He was to exhaust all of the deep personal communications, He must touch, He must be touched.

He touched. He touched the lepers, He touched the blind, the deaf, and He touched the young daughter of Jairus and rose her from the dead

His fingers upon the hand of Peter's mother-in-law cured her. But it was not enough!

To touch he must be touched. Mankind must come as close as it can to divinity. And He was touched.

He was touched first of all by the pagan woman who came through a crowd and touched the hem of his garment. And she said, "If I but touch the hem of his garment, I shall be healed"

And our lord willing to try and wishing to try our faith turned to the apostles and said "Who touched me?"

And they said, "Everyone is crowding you round about, why do you ask who touched me?"
And our Lord said, "Because I felt a power go out from me". But this is not the only time He was touched

He was touched when a woman uninvited came into the house of Simon and broke a bottle of precious perfume over his feet, and let fall upon his feet like the first warm drops of Nsukka rain a few tears and wiped them away with her hair.

A creature had touched the feet of God.

But then there was another touch – ten witnesses came once to Thomas and they said "Thomas we've seen the Lord"
And Thomas said, "Until I can see the mark of nails in His hands, until I can put my finger into the mark of those nails and put my hands into his side, I will not belief"

With that after the resurrection, Our Lord appeared and He said, "Thomas, give me thy finger. Here's my hand. Put thy hand to my side. Doubt not but belief"

Thomas was right, he knew that the only God that can save us was one who had scars and took our pains upon himself.

NOW there's nothing more that can be done – He has been heard, He has been seen, He has been touched.

He's heard in words – first in Scripture

He's seen – He's seen by faith, He's seen in the church, He's seen in the blind, the lame, the poor, the lepers.

Touch ... Oh ... That is rare ... It is for the intimates. That is a very special kind of communion.

There are many who touched Him this morning. I did. I wish you could too...

"Faith is greater than reason but not counter to it"

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Politics › Re: Herein Lies The Real Change! by Jonra(m): 12:18am On Nov 21, 2018

In Summary:

The holy spirit is given to man. And by God's grace, a man's soul will be saved. For they that truly believe, conforming to the way of God becomes a lifestyle.

And as we know God, Love God and Serve God.
The powers of our soul - Reason and Will and Intellect- are enlightened.

In short, there's such a thing as being so heavenly conscious that we are earthly incredible - as we serve our neighbours in love.

PS: It is not enough to feel and to say, it is more important to act on the word of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Religion/christianity Is All About Mind Control. by Jonra(m): 11:18pm On Nov 20, 2018*

And yet, it is clear that the standard is Christ Jesus, not any man of God/pastor/priest.

There are many wolves in sheep clothings who have gone out to deceive the peoples.

We shouldn't be deceived. Besides, being a Christian is not about going back into the garden without plying the way of calvary. Each believer with their light yoke and easy burden walking and working in the assurance and victory of Christ Jesus. In this relationship with God, the lay man in his humility of heart, spiritual poverty and thirst for prayer can be closer to the Heavenly Father than their pastor or priest.

If there's darkness where we are, where there should be light. Something's wrong?

PS: There are levels to activeness and effectiveness in the Christian way of life

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Fashion › Re: Blackfishing: The new trend of White People Trying To look Black by Jonra(m): 10:52pm On Nov 20, 2018

Classic Post-modernism undecided

latsy:
Moreover, this is the age of feeling.

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Christianity Etc › Re: You Are A Spirit That Lives In A Body by Jonra(m): 1:08pm On Sep 16, 2018*

Vocnewsblog:
You started very well. But with your neglect of 'Original sin', this is merely sunshine religious philosophy.

God himself said, 'Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.' - James 1:27

And baptism is religion, St. Paul was baptized upon his conversion, it's a cleansing rite. Why then are you stabbing at a universal belief system based on Bible philosophy without the discomfort of proving one true religion? It's not going to work!

As much as his spirit is in us to give life, you and I need the 'Pneuma' of Romans 8:16 which you quoted out of context - the third person of the trinity: the spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, piety, fortitude and fear of God.

Going forward in your ministry, It's best to broadcast the virtues highlighted in 2 Peter 1:5-8

"For this very reason do your best to add goodness to your faith; to your goodness add knowledge; to your knowledge add self-control; to your self-control add endurance; to your endurance add godliness; to your godliness add Christian affection; and to your Christian affection add love. These are the qualities you need, and if you have them in abundance, they will make you active and effective in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 2 Peter 1:5‭-‬8 GNT

PS: Granted, Western civilization was birthed in the rich moral soils of the Judeo-Christian worldview. But do you need a mystic to show you how these nations have been unchained from their sun. Nietzsche predicted it in his famous essay 'Nietzsche and the mad man'...

Nietzsche and The Madman – “I Seek God”
Here is the original Nietzsche essay, The Madman:1

“Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!"--As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?--Thus they yelled and laughed.

“The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him--you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.”

“How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us--for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto.

“Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men…”

What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?

Over a hundred and eighteen years after Nietzsche and The Madman, the news of God’s death has finally reached ‘the ears of man.’ The horizon defining the limits of our world has been wiped away. The center holding us in place has vanished. Our age, which more and more is coming to be called postmodern, finds itself afloat in a pluralism of perspectives, a plethora of philosophical possibilities, but with no dominant notion of where to go of how to get there. A near future of cultural anarchy seems inevitable.

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